Is this Legal

13 years ago

It could work with a solid disclaimer. Just keep it covered "legally" and preach whatever it is you want to.

Just please don't have your minions hack my site.

//Disclaimer: this is not an expert opinion//

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Ricky Dawn

13 years ago

Yeah I was thinking I would be ok doing it as long as I had a good disclaimer.

haha Don't worry no one will hack Warriors ;-)

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Richard Van

13 years ago

This...

hack basic stuff is that legal?

Hack what exactly? I'm not sure putting any disclaimer will help either. That's like saying "my site is telling you how to do totally illegal stuff but I'm not responsible"

This is the definition of hacking...

Computer hacking is broadly defined as intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access. Various state and federal laws govern computer hacking

Nothing wrong with showing people how to finish games, indeed there are loads of game cheat sites, I know, I was using one for angry birds yesterday.

Hacking though is a broad area and not something I'd want to be associated with. I'd also get some advice from an expert, like a legal expert. What you will recieve here are just "opinions"

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Ricky Dawn 13 years ago

Thanks for the opinion THK, Yeah I understand what you mean thats why im kinda stuck and not sure wether it is on not, not even sure who I should ask? If anyone.

I have not seen a site personally that has this sort of information there are plenty of torrent sites out there but none with any solid information.

And as for the hacking site of it I think I should be ok with a good disclaimer like hackthissite :-)

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Ricky Dawn 13 years ago

Thanks Lazy, So do you know this for sure?

And I can link to files?

And the hacking side of it is fine right?
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THK

13 years ago

I am sure sites like this exist. But I really doubt they are legal. I am guessing that you will show people how to play games without buying etc. If so, your "advice" is hurting the businesses. I don't think cheating can ever be legal, whether it is in a classroom or video gaming or anywhere else.

Just my take on it.

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Lazy

13 years ago

as long as you don't offer the files themselves, that's fine. heck, you could even link to them as long as they're aren't on your server

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Chris Kent - How could you possibly monetise a hacking site?

He could sell tips or a course to other hackers...

Which is, of course, a morally corrupt, wrong and frankly ridiculous idea.

Besides, I'd have thought most hackers know a bit about hacking, before they decided to hack into other people's private stuff.

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

But what about the problem I alluded to earlier? How is he going to get a cooperative merchant? Extremely difficult.

I agree Chris.

I wasn't actually disagreeing at the time, more thinking out loud, which is why I added this after...

Which is, of course, a morally corrupt, wrong and frankly ridiculous idea.

Besides, I'd have thought most hackers know a bit about hacking, before they decided to hack into other people's private stuff.

Which is why I doubt they'd want to buy tips and courses on the subject.

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JohnMcCabe 13 years ago

Ricky, CyberSorcerer and others gave you sound advice. Get a good lawyer to write your CYA disclaimer and give you some guidelines so you don't cross the line.

You don't want to go from providing information for entertainment or educational purposes to inciting illegal acts or becoming an accessory to illegal acts.

On a side note, wouldn't it be ironic if your visitors used your information to cheat you out of your profits?
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masterofinternate

13 years ago

Dude,
Legality depends on its usefulness.If it is not harming others then it would to be legal.But u didn't mentioned specially what type of stuff is to be hacked.But you should take a chance.Just go for it.
Wish u all the best.

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by masterofinternate

Dude,
Legality depends on its usefulness.If it is not harming others then it would to be legal.But u didn't mentioned specially what type of stuff is to be hacked.But you should take a chance.Just go for it.
Wish u all the best.

Sorry you've lost me.

You were doing quite well until this...

But you should take a chance.Just go for it.

You don't know if it's legal but you think the OP should take a chance and go for it? That's hardly sensible advice is it?

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paulie888

13 years ago

You're going down a very risky path even discussing such information on your website. Why would you even want to do this, and what would be your motivation for doing so?

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King Shiloh

Banned 13 years ago

This is a matter of moral standard. If you think your conscience will allow you go on but I don't think such venture will bring you good karma.

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jonibravo

13 years ago

Post of hacking and cracking sites give disclaimer that they got cracks from other websites and no action should be taken on them. So you can do it for your website.

As far as ethics are concerned you should not do it at any cost. Because it may cause legal action against you.

Cheers!!!

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jonibravo

Post of hacking and cracking sites give disclaimer that they got cracks from other websites and no action should be taken on them. So you can do it for your website.

As far as ethics are concerned you should not do it at any cost. Because it may cause legal action against you.

Cheers!!!

Hi Joni,

Can you explain this to me, "post of hacking and cracking sites give disclaimer that they got cracks from other sites" I'm very sorry but I don't actually understand the sentence very well. Do you mean most hacking sites have a disclaimer? Then you said "so you can do it for your website". Again, do you mean the disclaimer?

Then you say ethically the OP shouldn't do it because it may result in legal action.

Please don't take this the wrong way but why are you advising the OP to put a disclaimer on his site but not to do the whole thing because it may result in legal action?

I'm not trying to argue here, I'm just genuinely confused by what you've written.

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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Ricky Dawn

Hey,

Just wondering if I make a website that helps people crack games and hack basic stuff is that legal?

I will not post any download links or host any illegal torrents/games/movies or anything just information.

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P.S

Could it be passed of as 'I'm helping companies protect their stuff by showing how people do it' ?

Passed off as helping companies ... yeah, right.
Are you asking if it is legal to tell people how to crack games ... as in how to make them playable after stealing them?

Hacking basic stuff ... as in hacking what? People's emails, banks, Paypal accounts ... be specific.

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King Shiloh

Banned 13 years ago

Ricky,

I'm beginning to think that we are not safe in your hands.

Are you sure you've not been hacking warriors' sites?

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Ricky Dawn

13 years ago

By hacking I mean something like hackthissite org.

I dont mean teaching people to hack other websites and steal anything from them, teach ethical hacking (Companies pay a lot for someone with the know how)

Just tests and lessons.

In the way of cracking games and getting films etc that is what I meant, and thank you for all the info you have given me I now think I should not include any info on torrents etc.

As for making money:

Sell Ads
Advertise Internet Security Products
Maybe CPA Lead on a couple of pages

Also there are Internet security affiliate programs that pay per free download and then again if they buy.

Your right this is a marketing forum so if a website exposes problems in websites and computers and then offers you a piece internet security software free or paid, do you think it has a better chance of selling?

Or if I wrote an ebook on how to safe guard your wordpress site from hackers after showing ways into a wordpress site?

Ricky

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Ricky Dawn

13 years ago

P.S

I Never have hacked a site to intentionally harm their site or do anything in a bad way.

And King Shiloh no I have not been hacking warriors sites.

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Gary King 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Ricky Dawn

P.S

I Never have hacked a site to intentionally harm their site or do anything in a bad way.

"But officer, I didn't do any harm when I went through her underwear drawer".

I *think* I see where your going with this Ricky. There's a HUGE market for security information. Anything that can be used to protect can be used for ill will.

A handgun can be used to protect. It can also be used to steal.

If you're putting up anything that could cross that line, make sure you have a reliable attorney on retainer. I'm not being a chicken little here, just saying.

Example - if you put up an article/ebook/whatever on breaking encryption of dvd's, you're gonna make a lot of movie industry enemies.

If you offer info on downloading stuff that is illegal/stolen in itself, you'll likely find people knocking at your door.

I am not an attorney (although there are some that frequent the forum, perhaps they will weigh in) but please realize that there's a very fine line between being a white knight and just exposing flaws and then selling a solution. The latter will have a lot more people using your site for darker desires.

In the end, what's "legal" comes down to what your lawyer, their lawyer and a judge have to say, guided by some flexible guidelines called laws. Unfortunately, if you're having that conversation with those parties, it's gonna cost a lot of money to be there.
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13 years ago

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by guy100

yes, It is leggaly as long as you do a good diclamir, do not give the software to hack and do not tell people it is good to hack . It mostly ethnics. I would never create a site about that.

Disclaimers don't afford you protection from everything and telling people it's not good to hack won't do you any favours if you're teaching them how to do so.

I'm very glad you wouldn't do this but I don't think giving out advice that's "opinion" on legal matters such as this, is a good idea.

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AFI

13 years ago

I don't think this is the right site to be asking this sort of question. Try the BlueFart forum.

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nssp

13 years ago

Legal or illegal purely depends on the country law where you are living.. Try to host with outside your country..

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Rob Howard

13 years ago

Is it legal? I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know.

But I do know that you do have free speech rights, if you are in the United States. If you are showing people how to hack stuff and having disclaimers that you are not liable for use of this info and it's for entertainment only, then you are probably ok.

If you host or share files, then that is a problem.

Whether it is immoral or not is a another whole question.

However, the best advice you can get is from an Attorney, not from an IM forum.

As for monetizing it, I doubt you would have much luck. The crowd you are aiming for is extremely tech savvy and the subject matter at hand is conductive towards hacking for illegal gain - I doubt your demographic would pay for that info.

Rob

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DeborahDera

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Ricky Dawn

Hey,

Just wondering if I make a website that helps people crack games and hack basic stuff is that legal?

I will not post any download links or host any illegal torrents/games/movies or anything just information.

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Ricky

P.S

Could it be passed of as 'I'm helping companies protect their stuff by showing how people do it' ?

It doesn't sound legal to me. My general rule of thumb when choosing a niche is that if I have to question the validity, it probably isn't something I should be doing...

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alwaysready

13 years ago

All what i know actually is that i have visited many of this kind of sites before , so nothing is illegal with it since people have dealt with this before !

being careful is all what you need for the moment till you get serious rules but i think it depends on where you are exactly !

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by alwaysready

All what i know actually is that i have visited many of this kind of sites before , so nothing is illegal with it since people have dealt with this before !

being careful is all what you need for the moment till you get serious rules but i think it depends on where you are exactly !

Just because there are illegal sites doesn't mean you can just go rustle up an illegal site of your own. That's not great advice.

If he needs to be careful until he gets "serious rules" then that's a bit dubious too. There already are rules regarding hacking stuff and, as has already been suggested, the OP needs legal advice not opinions.

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AFI 13 years ago

That's like a "how to grow marijuana" site that's not selling marijuana. It's dubious at best.
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- CyberSorcerer 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by AFI
  
  That's like a "how to grow marijuana" site that's not selling marijuana. It's dubious at best.
  
  But still legal!
  
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- BishopMartin 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by AFI
  
  That's like a "how to grow marijuana" site that's not selling marijuana. It's dubious at best.
  
  Seriously? You might consider it dubious because you don't agree with the practice, but from a legal standpoint there is nothing dubious about it..
  
  Cannabis cultivation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  
  The questions was "if I make a website that helps people crack games and hack basic stuff is that legal?"
  
  Yes, that is legal. At least in the United States its legal to write about, read about, and think about things that are illegal. That includes how to grow marijuana, hack websites and crack games.
  
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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Ricky Dawn

Just wondering if I make a website that helps people crack games and hack basic stuff is that legal?

Yes. This is a protected right in the U.S. - if you buy a game, and the copy protection is a pain in the arse, you have every right to break that protection, to tell others how to do it, and even to produce - or sell - a program or script that does it for them.

You don't actually need a disclaimer at all. What you need is not to say things like "now you can give copies to your friends." If you say something like that, your disclaimer goes PTHBTT anyway. Simply be sure to always speak from the perspective of someone who has bought the game, and would like their legitimately licensed copy to behave differently.

Similarly for mod chips. While Microsoft can cut off your access to XBox Live, or void your warranty, or refuse factory service when you mod-chip your XBox 360... they have no legal grounds to prevent you from doing it. It's your console, and you have every right to make whatever hardware and software modifications you desire.

(I've actually seen an XBox 360 running Linux.)

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CyberSorcerer

13 years ago

As a security research myself, this is a touchy subject and it's best if you have a lawyer to help you CYA.

I have a site that teaches how to reverse engineer software, for security reasons, which is targeted toward the security industry.

EVERYTHING has to be covered in your disclaimer such as mentioning this is for educational purchases ONLY, etc. It's covering all the basis that your lawyer will have to help you out with. Also be sure to get a lawyer that is familiar with computer law.