Can I use Warrior Forum Content to Create a Report?

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I found some excellent answers to questions I was unable to answer regarding SEO and IM in general. Can I use them to create a report for free distribution?

Though I do not intend to do so, am I free to make it a paid product?
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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    Originally Posted by indihow View Post

    Though I do not intend to do so, am I free to make it a paid product?
    I am a bit confused... You want to create a free product or a paid product? Anyways you cannot just use the content as it is since the answers you got to your questions is not yours.
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    • Profile picture of the author SamirSM
      Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

      I am a bit confused... You want to create a free product or a paid product? Anyways you cannot just use the content as it is since the answers you got to your questions is not yours.
      I want to create a free product, with any attribution as necessary.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        You can't just go around using other people's posts as content for your products. Just because they posted here doesn't make their content free for anyone to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Warrior Forum content is copyrighted. You are not allowed to copy it to create a free or paid product.
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    • Profile picture of the author SamirSM
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Warrior Forum content is copyrighted. You are not allowed to copy it to create a free or paid product.
      Well that makes it amply clear. Thanks.

      But I can use the points, can't I?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ouroboros
    Anyone is free to READ content, rewrite it in their own words, and add their own knowledge to it to make a profit.

    Just keep in mind that all the posts here belong to the OP's and to WF. Using any of this information 'verbatim' is both plagarism and copyright infringement. Approached properly, some of the authors might even be happy to give you a direct quote, assuming you credit them properly.
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    • Profile picture of the author SamirSM
      Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post

      Anyone is free to READ content, rewrite it in their own words, and add their own knowledge to it to make a profit.

      Just keep in mind that all the posts here belong to the OP's and to WF. Using any of this information 'verbatim' is both plagarism and copyright infringement. Approached properly, some of the authors might even be happy to give you a direct quote, assuming you credit them properly.
      Thanks for the clarification.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    You can take "inspiration" from the information you glean in posts here (just as you can anywhere else), to use in your report/book, but you can't (or shouldn't) just take the content as-is, no, because you don't own the rights to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    Originally Posted by indihow View Post

    I found some excellent answers to questions I was unable to answer regarding SEO and IM in general. Can I use them to create a report for free distribution?
    Kindsvater can probably confirm or deny this, but I believe that each of us retains the rights to our own content that we post here and that we are merely giving the WF a license to publish that content.

    So, if there are specific individuals whose posts have answered your questions, contact them to ask permission to use their posts in your report. Some may willingly do so if you include a link to their site or offer some other form of remuneration. Others may not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ouroboros
    Dan,

    I may be mistaken, and I'm sure someone will tell me if I am, but my understanding is that anything posted here is Allen's property. (i.e. copyright of the forum owner)

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post

      I may be mistaken, and I'm sure someone will tell me if I am, but my understanding is that anything posted here is Allen's property. (i.e. copyright of the forum owner)
      Kindsvater can probably give a more definitive answer, but I just checked the "forum rules" and it appears that my thinking may be correct:

      When you post information to the Warrior Forum, communicate with us, send us information, or provide content to us or provide any content (including but not limited to text, images, graphics, sounds, etc.) for use or display, privately or publicly on or through the Warrior Forum, you own your content. You own and are responsible for your words. However, you grant the Warrior Forum a non-exclusive, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, sublicensable right to exercise all copyright, moral, and publicity rights in the content, in any manner whatsoever, in any media or form now known or which may be created in the future, including in other works and forms not associated with Warrior Forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        Kindsvater can probably give a more definitive answer, but I just checked the "forum rules" and it appears that my thinking may be correct:
        And this as well:

        You are not authorized to use any content on the Warrior Forum outside of the Warrior Forum except where explicitly authorized. For example, forum posts are not to be copied or used outside of the Warrior Forum. If there is a subforum where users can post articles intended for distribution, then the use of those articles outside of the forum is permitted, subject to any restrictions placed by the author of the article.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Notwithstanding the points made, how is this matter [URGENT]?


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      • Profile picture of the author SamirSM
        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        Notwithstanding the points made, how is this matter [URGENT]?


        Frank
        Hi Frank


        One of my clients wanted a basic guide on SEO, in which I wanted to include certain points related to Google Search Ranking explained very clearly in a particular thread.

        So, it was kind of urgent for me.

        But now that I can't use the content directly, I've explained it to the client via IM instead. So, I'll remove the [URGENT] tag right away.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gary King
          Originally Posted by indihow View Post

          But now that I can't use the content directly, I've explained it to the client via IM instead. So, I'll remove the [URGENT] tag right away.
          Samir,

          So here's the thing...

          If you explained it to the client via IM, you have a solid basis for a product without breaking the rules or stepping on any toes.

          Go back to your IM session and copy it out, paste it into a word or open office document.

          Get rid of all the "me:" and "them:" intros tracking who's saying what.

          Review that to make sure that you didn't copy/paste anything from the thread you mentioned but instead put it in your own words as suggested by the others.

          NOW (and here's the important part) - do some more research based upon the questions the client asked you during your chat, your own interest, your own knowledge, etc.

          Add that content to the document, format it up and WHAM!, you got a product to sell.

          All success,

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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by indihow View Post

          Hi Frank


          One of my clients wanted a basic guide on SEO, in which I wanted to include certain points related to Google Search Ranking explained very clearly in a particular thread.

          So, it was kind of urgent for me.

          But now that I can't use the content directly, I've explained it to the client via IM instead. So, I'll remove the [URGENT] tag right away.
          As long as you didn't just copy and paste the content from here into your IM conversation, then you'd be fine. I doubt that you'd have done that anyway, as it would have been very long-winded if you didn't summarize and describe the process in your own words.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post

      Dan,

      I may be mistaken, and I'm sure someone will tell me if I am, but my understanding is that anything posted here is Allen's property. (i.e. copyright of the forum owner)

      Steve
      I asked this question and was told by Paul that each poster owns their own content here. So you would have to ask the posters in question for rights to use their content.
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      • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
        Since I write the forum terms of service let me answer some of the questions, but basically Dan is correct.

        Anything you write you own and are responsible for. That includes copyright rights, liability for defamation, etc.

        Anything you write is permanently licensed to the forum to use as it desires. If Allen wants to create a report based on forum content he has the right to do so, without paying you.

        You, however, do not have that right.

        But you do have the right to let/sell others write a report using only your posts.

        There are practical and necessary reasons why forums and sites like Facebook have such broad licensing terms. I am not going to go into all the reasons so that troublemakers are not given any ideas. But this is to protect both you and the forum.
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        • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
          Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

          But you do have the right to let/sell others write a report using only your posts.
          I guess it is valid the other way around, too...

          If I have the written permission of a post author to use his own posts in a report I am fine. Am I right, Brian?
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          • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
            Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

            I guess it is valid the other way around, too...

            If I have the written permission of a post author to use his own posts in a report I am fine. Am I right, Brian?
            Yes, you are right.
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

              I guess it is valid the other way around, too...

              If I have the written permission of a post author to use his own posts in a report I am fine. Am I right, Brian?
              Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

              Yes, you are right.
              And if the material is that well-written and clear, this is the best way to go about things, IMO.

              I have been on both sides of deals like this, and it's worked out well for all concerned...
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          • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
            Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

            I guess it is valid the other way around, too...

            If I have the written permission of a post author to use his own posts in a report I am fine. Am I right, Brian?
            There is a really good reason to follow this piece of advice other than copyright laws and forum rules, it can be summed up in two letters.... JV
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            • Profile picture of the author Gary King
              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              And if the material is that well-written and clear, this is the best way to go about things, IMO.

              I have been on both sides of deals like this, and it's worked out well for all concerned...
              Originally Posted by Barry Unruh View Post

              There is a really good reason to follow this piece of advice other than copyright laws and forum rules, it can be summed up in two letters.... JV
              I think that's what John was alluding to as well Barry, and I'm right there with you.

              If there are great posts in here that you can be compiled (and added to of course) into an awesome guide then you've got a beautiful partnership set to make all parties involved cash and help others.

              If the poster(s) aren't willing to JV, then as I stated above, taking those concepts and restructuring them into your own form and enhancing will land you a nice product all on your own too.

              Have a great day!

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        • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
          Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

          Since I write the forum terms of service let me answer some of the questions, but basically Dan is correct.

          Anything you write you own and are responsible for. That includes copyright rights, liability for defamation, etc.

          Anything you write is permanently licensed to the forum to use as it desires. If Allen wants to create a report based on forum content he has the right to do so, without paying you.

          You, however, do not have that right.

          But you do have the right to let/sell others write a report using only your posts.

          There are practical and necessary reasons why forums and sites like Facebook have such broad licensing terms. I am not going to go into all the reasons so that troublemakers are not given any ideas. But this is to protect both you and the forum.
          Where's the warrior forum TOS?
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by indihow View Post

    I found some excellent answers to questions I was unable to answer regarding SEO and IM in general. Can I use them to create a report for free distribution?
    You can use the information in them, but not the posts themselves. The posts are copyrighted to their authors.

    Let's say someone asks "What price should I charge for my WSO?" and someone else says "You should make sure to charge a price under $50 that ends in a 7, like $47 or $37."

    You can't copy and paste that. However, you can say in your own words to charge less than $50 and end the price in a 7.

    You could very easily say "A WSO price should end in a 7 and be no higher than $50, so the most you can generally charge for a WSO is $47."

    That's got the same information in it, but it's fair to use in your own product because it's not exactly what the other guy said.

    There are four major things you should add to your product, however.

    1. Selection. Don't just grab stuff at random. Select specific things with a common theme.

    2. Commentary. Make sure to connect and correlate the things you select, so you add specific value of your own on top of the information you gather.

    3. Voice. When you discuss these things, use your own experience and your own opinions to make it feel unique and special. Something only you can provide.

    4. Presentation. Take a little effort to make sure things look good and fit together nicely.

    Put all of that together, and you've got one of the most time-honoured ways to create products easily.
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Slightly off-topic:

      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      time-honoured
      Interesting, Caliban, that you use the British-English (and thus the real ) spelling of "time-honoured", as opposed to "time-honored". I like it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    Also remember that although there are some brilliant and experienced people here not everything you read in a post is correct. From time to time some flagrant misinformation creeps into a thread. You would not want myths or inaccuracies in your report.
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    • Profile picture of the author SamirSM
      Originally Posted by Janice Sperry View Post

      Also remember that although there are some brilliant and experienced people here not everything you read in a post is correct. From time to time some flagrant misinformation creeps into a thread. You would not want myths or inaccuracies in your report.
      I'm definitely aware of the ramifications of Web 2.0's boost to free and easier dissemination of public opinion

      As for information on Wikipedia, I can't use it as a genuine source of info
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    What you should do, is create a free report to give away.

    Create your own report, using your own words and knowledge.

    Do you want to establish yourself as an expert in the eyes of your subscribers? If so, I highly recommend you hit the books, and create something you can truly call your own.
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  • Profile picture of the author Drewry_Media
    If you plan to create a .pdf out of the information you've gathered and put it in your own words, how do you plan on sharing that information to the internet masses online?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    What you can do is this. Read and learn, then rewrite in your own words 100% different, but teaching the same truths. This is done all the time, its called learning.

    You cannot copy and paste the info on the site and then resell it, I am sure you would be banned pretty quickly when found out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Binnie
    No, it's co[ywrited.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    Nice. Did you write that all by hand, or did you use a template You should put something like that in your internetmarketinglawcenter.com for me to use on my forum!
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Isn't each person's post copyright?
    Doesn't the info provided belong to the forum and can be actually claimed as it's own content because it was given? or at least for sure it is copyright the person writing it that much I do know, so the answer is no
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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    I'm just saying that we are sick and tired of "rehashed" or "re-angled" materials in this forum.

    Let whatever you're creating be absolutely valuable and of top-notch quality.

    Don't steal anybody's content unless the owner says you can go ahead and do it.

    Partial obedience is equivalent to disobedience. Partial stealing is total stealing.

    If you're not comfortable with anything you're about to do, it's most probably the wrong thing.

    Just my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonibravo
    I guess you can read content of warrior forum for free. and you can create report in your own words from the content of forum.

    I advice you to get help from administrator of warrior forum regarding this.

    Also try finding same information from other forums.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    I agree with the other folk's opinions on this. But it is fine to research and learn everything you need to for your report. In that way you will be able to come up with your own report with your own words and maybe your own ideas as well.


    Andrea
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