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Removing the optin form off an affiliate sales page?

by ak2000
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Hi, I would like to promote a Clickbank offer but would like to send the traffic to the sales page without the optin form. The current page has an optin and I would rather not send traffic to a sales page with optin where then vendor can then continue selling to the lead and I get no credit for it..

I've emailed the product owner asking if he had a version of the page without optin and haven't heard anything back 2 days later (not a good sign..)

Anyhow, wanted to try and ask if anyone had the same problem - is it possible to remove the optin form off the page without having to modify the sales page in itself (which I don't own and don't have access to)?

Thanks in advance for contributing your insights!!
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    Having an optin form on the affiliate page is not necessarily a negative, although I never did like it. Most vendors do make very reasonable and effective attempts to make the sale for you using this method.

    Up until recently I have always just made my own sales pages and linked directly to the order page, completely bypassing all the vendors' copy. The new CB rules prohibit that, though, so that limits the options, doesn't it? Perhaps a comparable product may suit you better.
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  • Profile picture of the author ak2000
    Thanks - ha, yeah...was thinking about some kind of iframe but guess an alternative product seems to be the neatest solution..
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  • Profile picture of the author RaptorGabe
    I couldn't ever imagine a vendor taking a Opt-In off a sales page. Has anyone actually had success with that?
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  • Profile picture of the author ak2000
    Ha...fair point. I've seen vendors offering versions of their sales page with and without optin but yet to have any success with getting them to take it off

    will let you know if i do!
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  • Profile picture of the author impact-productions
    I think it's a very reasonable request to ask for a version of the sales page without the opt in form.

    Now, I would promote sales pages with an opt in, but only if I know the vendor enough to trust that I'd still get the commission. There are some people who will then embed your id into all their follow up emails (so that you get the sale), and there are others who operate lifetime affiliate tracking which is equally good.

    Otherwise, the best options are to promote an alternative product, or alternatively to put together a product of your own which you can promote instead.

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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by ak2000 View Post

    I've emailed the product owner asking if he had a version of the page without optin and haven't heard anything back 2 days later (not a good sign..)
    "Not a good sign" is putting it mildly. If a vendor won't reply to an email from a prospective business associate, what's his after-sales service with customers who've already paid going to be like?

    I cross these off my list very quickly indeed.

    I do make sure that I've used the right email address, though, if necessary trying things like "admin" and "info" and "support" at theirdomain.com. But if they give an email address on their site, and don't reply to a prospective affiliate, "I have 13,500 other products from which to choose what to promote" ... :p

    I've now asked specifically on 4 occasions for an alternative sales-page, exactly the same but without the vendor's opt-in on it (explaining what I've done before and what sites I have and what my interest is in their product and how I'm going to promote it, and so on, obviously, to try to get myself taken seriously), and so far all 4 times it's quickly been produced for me. It should take them very little time to do it.

    I had one very nice vendor who was a totally non-techie person like me, but said she'd be delighted but would I please fix it up with her "techie guy" myself as she "didn't speak the techie language and didn't know exactly what to tell him", which I duly did, and he was charming, fast and really co-operative - it was done by the time I woke up the next morning!
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  • Profile picture of the author ak2000
    Thanks everyone for your thoughts, much appreciated

    Sounds like there is not quick and easy way to remove it without the vendor doing it (or someone on his behalf)...
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by ak2000 View Post

      Sounds like there is not quick and easy way to remove it without the vendor doing it (or someone on his behalf)...
      That's for sure, because it's on his site. You could ask permission to copy it, remove the opt-in (if you know how), and host it yourself, and then link directly from that to his order-page, I suppose ... but that wouldn't be advisable at all, because you wouldn't set an affiliate cookie on your potential customers' computers, that way.
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      • Profile picture of the author ak2000
        agreed - messy..

        thanks

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        That's for sure, because it's on his site. You could ask permission to copy it, remove the opt-in (if you know how), and host it yourself, and then link directly from that to his order-page, I suppose ... but that wouldn't be advisable at all, because you wouldn't set an affiliate cookie on your potential customers' computers, that way.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        That's for sure, because it's on his site. You could ask permission to copy it, remove the opt-in (if you know how), and host it yourself, and then link directly from that to his order-page, I suppose ... but that wouldn't be advisable at all, because you wouldn't set an affiliate cookie on your potential customers' computers, that way.
        That's incorrect, I have been doing this for a few years. You will get the affiliate cookie, by linking correctly to the order-page, but I think it is against the new rules of CB to do it that way unless expressly allowed by the vendor.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          That's incorrect, I have been doing this for a few years. You will get the affiliate cookie, by linking correctly to the order-page
          Linking to the order-page doesn't set an affiliate cookie, Paul: in my opinion you're mistaken, here.

          It's easily tested, anyway: just try it for yourself and see (needing either two different computers, or completely clearing all cookies, to do so reliably, obviously, otherwise you'll still have the cookie from the initial visit to the sales-page, to get to the order-page and save its url).

          Harvey Segal and Clickbank's support staff have both told me this very clearly, and when I've tested it for myself, I've found that they were right, too.

          Unless possibly it's changed very recently, in which case "I take it all back"!

          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          I think it is against the new rules of CB to do it that way unless expressly allowed by the vendor.
          Indeed - this part's certainly correct. And for good and understandable reasons, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonibravo
    Dont think it is good to have your page like this.
    I guess visitors will not even like it.
    Anyhow it is up to you and your strategy to capture market.
    Cheers!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author ak2000
    How do you mean "like this"? cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    If you are not going to be pre-selling and collecting the email addresses yourself then why does it matter if they get the optin or not? I would only be concerned if you are first trying to add those people to your own list and then send them to the sales page. Otherwise, just relax - those followup emails may just help make you some more sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      If you are not going to be pre-selling and collecting the email addresses yourself then why does it matter if they get the optin or not?
      For all the many and varied reasons given in this thread, some of which are highly valid and significant.
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      • Profile picture of the author AlisonM
        What concerns me more than an opt in form, is a link at the bottom of the page that says Affiliates

        OK everyone here knows that someone could be earning 50% - 75% of what the buyer spends, but for Niches not connected with IM, this could come as an offputting surprise to a potential buyer.

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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by AlisonM View Post

          What concerns me more than an opt in form, is a link at the bottom of the page that says Affiliates

          I must say, that concerns me about 1% as much as an opt-in.

          You have to have declared openly to your potential customers that you're an affiliate earning a commission, anyway, so it's hardly news to them that there are "affiliates".

          And Clickbank's well-thought-out and successful "Customer Distribution Requirement" protects affiliates, as intended, by preventing anyone from becoming an affiliate just to earn 1 commission themselves, anyway.

          I prefer an affiliate-page-link not to be there, I admit. But this is barely an issue at all, for me, and certainly wouldn't put me off promoting a product.
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    • Profile picture of the author ak2000
      Thanks - exactly, they would be on my list first...

      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      If you are not going to be pre-selling and collecting the email addresses yourself then why does it matter if they get the optin or not? I would only be concerned if you are first trying to add those people to your own list and then send them to the sales page. Otherwise, just relax - those followup emails may just help make you some more sales.
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