Warrior with very known product does cookie stuffing and inflates gravity artificially

Interesting, so people following gravity to choose CB product may not be choosing it right. IM is confusing already for noobs!

Thanks for heads up!

I didn't know this: interesting. I admit I'm slightly surprised, if so, that something with such obviously deceptive intent hasn't caused much consternation or discussion; but I do completely take the point that it's only automating something which anyone can do manually (or with other automation) without it, and am not suggesting that it would break Clickbank's rules (or that they'd care).

Yes you could inflate the gravity, to trick the affiliates who think gravity is god

Interestingly Jupiter has a gravity of 318, why not promote that :p

No, of course. Nobody's suggesting that. (I hope).

It's just a trick to attract affiliates.

The irony of it is, though, that the affiliates whom vendors can attract that way are the ones who imagine that "a high gravity means the product's easy to sell"! :rolleyes: :p

Not exactly "top-drawer affiliates".

But, still, some extra potential sales in future, of course, just by having more affiliates in total.

Leaving out the whole issue of deceiving people for your own personal gain... :rolleyes:

Cookie-stuffing became an issue when some vendors were caught using the technique to do exactly that - make more money by cheating affiliates out of their commissions (replacing their cookie with the vendor's).

When people who have been burned smell smoke, they look for the fire...

Exactly and while it may not be against TOS, there is an ethical component to it when these same vendors are teaching in their "make money guides" to look at gravity because it "means a whole bunch of affiliates are selling it - so it's obviously good! And they're all making money!"

I know I never knew it went on until one of my old ghostwriting clients laughed about to me. It kind of pissed me off because at the time, as a new "marketer," I was relying on gravity, too! I thought it was seriously, individual affiliates making those sales - and if they'd made one, they must be making many.

And that's not all! Many of these people buy their own product many times just to get the ball rolling and to be able to point and say, "Lookie what I'm doing! You can get rich promoting this product too!"

Someone posting before me said it right - don't look at gravity - there are some awesome products with no gravity that aren't being picked up by every Tom, Dick and Harry - so you have a better chance for selling it with fewer competitors.
tiff

Some people I know who have used this technique have done it in a more civilized fashion. The page affiliates send traffic too was not running the script. They then created a duplicate sales page to send their own traffic too that included the script. Nothing wrong with that...

Since when did this matter?

Seriously. He's not the first, not the only one, and definitely not the last.

this thread has spread out a bit from the start.
just some thoughts...

- without actually 'seeing' the site in question? we all
have no right to be commenting until is 100% verified
that there is a script 'replacing' (which is not stuffing, btw)
the aff-ID with the site owner's.

- the script that I am aware of that does this, only inserts
an ID if there is none in the URL AND there is no cookie.

-is this going on? no doubt! I (and others) have been ripped
off by a major league I-Marketer just in the fall. the product
was up there, $297 and the payout was $50-60, BUT if people
backed out of the page (tested this) they got a pop-up that
offered a big discount ... the link had the goo-roo's CB-ID!
no sale! when I bitched at the helpdesk? the reply was
"...you were not entitled to a commission as you did not
pre-sell the product properly. if you had, saving the sale
would not have been needed" - great jerk

- gravity...people writing e-books on the HUGE importance
of only promoting high-G clickbank products is what has
even made a market for this type of script.

-as far as the gravity 'inflating' - since I am not big on going
by gravity? I really could not care less, but I do want to get
credit for a sale as promised! again, as some have made an
issue over choosing high over low gravity? I can understand
why people would wish to gain that edge when people are
looking at what to promote.

If an affiliate sends someone to your site via their affiliate link, as soon as the person hits your site the cookie that has been set by the affiliate gets replaced by your cookie so if that customer purchases, you now get all the money and the affiliate gets nothing.

Can you see how that may benefit the low lifes? That's what true cookie stuffing is however that's not really what we are talking about here. We are talking about scripts that detect whether a visitor already has a cookie set and if not, then setting our own cookie to help inflate affiliate sales and gravity.

Because you get credit for those who do buy.

As a marketer of a few CB products I declare that gravity has never entered into my decision to promote a product.

One of the reasons for that is because I actually go through the product (yes, buy it) myself, and if I feel it is a good fit for one of my lists, then I go ahead with a email/video marketing plan for it.

Recently I found a CB product that I did like, made a video for it, promoted it over a couple emails and made over $5,000 in about a week. I backed it up personally, and so far ZERO returns.

I have no idea what the gravity is for that product and I do not care. I can honestly say to my subscribers it is a good value product that I can personally stand behind.

Actually if a CB product has a super high gravity, I would be more suspicious than excited about it these days.