Would You Rather Buy a Product That....

by tpw
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Would You Rather Buy a Product That...


Summarized all of the information you wanted in one document,

OR

Would you prefer not to buy it, because if you took to the time and expended the energy to do so, you could find all of the information in it for FREE somewhere else?



Honest questions...

Where does value begin and end?

Isn't the resource guide of greater value to you, because someone took the time to gather the best resources for you?

Or does the fact that they learned something you did not know and shared it with you make it less valuable to you?

Time is money, right?

Aren't these the kinds of things we gratefully spend money on all the time?

Does it make more sense to spend your own time looking, or to pay someone else to spend their time on your behalf?

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  • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
    Hmmm.... Spend hours searching the internet for what I want, figure out what is b.s and what isn't gathering it into some order that makes sense and digesting that information or spend 27/37/47/97 bucks on a product where someone has done that for me.

    Bit of a no brainer - I'll go for the product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
    Originally Posted by tpw View Post

    Summarized all of the information you wanted in one document...
    How would anybody be able summarize all of the information I wanted in one document...I don't even know what information I want.

    Does it make more sense to spend your own time looking, or to pay someone else to spend their time on your behalf?
    It's not just the 'looking' that matters, it's also the ability to seperate fact from fiction.

    Reinventing the wheel is rarely productive, nor is heading down the wrong path based on relying on someone else's judgement.

    You need to do a little of both...self discovery and following known sources of wisdom and/or experience.

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  • Profile picture of the author ArticlePrince
    The average person will live (in the US) for about 72 years, which means that half of us will get less than that. Personally, I'm 23 years old and I have been medically dead on 8 different occasions. Additionally, I have a wife, 15 month old son, and a daughter on the way. So what does that mean?

    I consider my time to be exceptionally valuable. If that 'resource' saves me 5 hours of work, it's worth at least $100. If it saves me days, much more, etc.... Free is great, but you can never get more time; you can always get more money.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by ArticlePrince View Post

      Personally, I'm 23 years old and I have been medically dead on 8 different occasions.
      Hi Sean - ignore this if you don't want to answer, but you did bring up being medically dead so maybe you won't mind me asking ... did you have an OBE on any of those occasions?
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    • Profile picture of the author wanna-succeed
      [QUOTE=ArticlePrince;3196000] I'm 23 years old and I have been medically dead on 8 different occasions.

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      Are you serious man?
      Not be prod or anything but how is that possible?:confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfweb
    I'd definately buy the product.
    Time is too precious to waste.
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  • Profile picture of the author Syamsul Alam
    I prefer to not buy it.

    That is just because I do not read instruction manual when I purchase something. I just plug the cable, turn it on, and figure it out that way. I learn faster by doing that.

    When I actively seeking information, my brain works, thus I understand more. When it served in front of me....

    Well... it's harder for me to take action upon it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      I guess I'm in two minds here Bill.

      Part of me is a lazy so and so and as I like reading I'd be happy to read a book or manual with all of the information there.

      On the other hand I also like to find information out as a fact and not just someone else's opinion. So even if I do read a book or manual I'll tend to try and back up the information I've read.

      So I suppose I'd like the manual but then I'd do my own research to find out if it's true or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author PhoebeSmellyCat
      I agree with the person who said both.

      Time is precious and there is no way for me to find out everything I need to know by myself.

      Even if you do search for that information yourself, that said information had to be put together by somebody else, right?

      On the other hand, I find that learning sticks better if I do it myself regardless of whether I do it wrong or not.

      And if I teach someone else, it sticks even more.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    I'd prefer to buy it, assuming this report is from someone I feel I could trust.

    Time is money, and we had touched on this in another thread about "free" traffic, where people were recklessly squandering away their time in exchange for this traffic.

    I like to think in terms of opportunity costs. If it saves me 8 hours in terms of sifting through and finding the information that I need, then I have 8 additional hours to implement the technique and make money with it - so as long as the book/report costs less than what could be earned in 8 hours of implementation (in this particular scenario), then I'd say it'd be a worthwhile purchase.

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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by tpw View Post

    Summarized all of the information you wanted in one document,

    OR

    Would you prefer not to buy it, because if you took to the time and expended the energy to do so, you could find all of the information in it for FREE somewhere else?
    That depends.

    Have I got more time than money?
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  • Profile picture of the author paul wolfe
    This is exactly what Naomi Dunford's SEO book does - (over at ittybitz.com). She sells an SEO book for around $50 I think, and she tells you that the information is all available for free on the Internet - but how much time you would spend finding it, collecting it together, separating the fact from the fiction, and actually implementing the strategies that work best is the trade off for getting information for 'free.'

    If you were a newbie that info would take many hours of searching both on Google and on great forums like WF. People invest their time in their businesses - often they don't properly cost the opportunity cost of that time. For something like this, $50 is IMO cheaper than spending 15-20 hours finding the info out for yourself.

    So the answer to Bill's original question is that if the info comes from a trusted source, and saves you time in the long run that you should consider it. For me - I 'cost' my time at around $100 an hour - it's a no brainer.
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  • Profile picture of the author aandersen
    Bill,

    You bring up a good one today!

    It really depends on what I'm looking for at the time, how familiar I already am with the subject, and whether or not I was looking for a solution to a problem, or if a solution found me.

    Case #1:

    I like to read books, and you know what?

    Many of the subjects I read on, I've already read many many books on previously. I don't expect to find an astonishing breakthrough, but I read them anyway. It's not so much about finding the secret, long-lost, technique, as much as it's about looking through the author's eyes.

    I know you know what I'm talking about, and I know you do it too.

    So... If this is the kind of learning I hope to gain from the product, I could care less. I want to hand you the reigns, let you take me on journey through your mind, and I'll sit back and enjoy the ride.

    Case #2:

    I really want to learn a new topic--something I know nothing about--and aspire to become a master of it.

    I would be looking for the most comprehensive guides on the subject I could find. Sometimes, I might opt for a primer of sorts when first starting (if it's a very difficult subject, for example), but for the most part, I would be seeking all-inclusive materials. I would continue this type of learning until I reach a certain level of confidence in the subject matter, at which point see case #1.

    Case #3:

    I discover I want to do something, and I don't know how to do it... 0h No3s!

    I don't really want to master the topic, or make a career out of it. In this case, I just want a solution to my problem. I hope to find a product, book, video, etc. which addresses the problem in the most complete, and efficient way.

    What I'm seeking here is balance. I want the most direct, to the point, solution I can find, but I also want the solution to be written by a competent author who didn't leave any important details out. I don't, however, want to spend 3 months of my time learning the methods and sciences behind what you're teaching. If I did, I would be in a case #2 scenario.

    I think this difficult for most product creators to pull off--good luck.

    Case #4:

    I wasn't looking for it, but it found me!

    I don't think this needs much explanation. I didn't know I wanted anything, so it's your job to convince me I do. In this case, my conscious desires are irrelevant. You need to let your copy do it's magic (and deliver on it, of course).



    Personally, I like #1 and #2 type products the most. However, I feel many more MMO info products (e.g., WSOs) fall in the type #3 and #4 categories, and I suspect these types are more profitable.

    As they say, people are much more willing to separate from their money to alleviate pain, than they are to bring themselves pleasure.

    The real challenge for you--the product creator--is to pick which audiance you're looking to target ahead of time, and realize you can't possibly appeal to all of them. Once you pull this off...
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    Don't know if you've ever seen the classic film Rashomon, by Kurosawa, but it's the story of four people who all witness a rape and murder. While all four saw the same thing, their accounts are very, very different. It was a matter of perspectives influenced by the nature of the people who observed it.

    Similarly, when we get a product, even if the facts we find there are already known to us, we can get a new perspective on how those facts fit together. I think in order to grow as individuals it is important to try to understand perspectives of others that may be different than our own. It may help us down the road. --Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author sitecrawler
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    If the product costs to much, then i would start searching on the internet for free info, if it is at small cost, then i would buy it despite the fact, that the info is already for free on the net.
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  • Profile picture of the author ConnorMcCreesh
    Personally as a product creator i know that if someone ask me to write in a niche i know nothing about then everything i write about will be recycled.

    But saying that, so is really everything i know or have done about IM! All in all i try to take knowledge, re-write it into a more digestable format, maybe linking up bits of information that had not been linked before.
    Really my aim would be to make people understand what is already out there more simply.

    So this is where the toss up comes in;

    If the person selling the information is respectable and you know they are good at simplifying things, then sure it is worth your time.

    Really time is money as much as understanding is. I for one know that i have read something before and just written it off until i have seen it described in a different light.

    So personally i am all open to different peoples takes on things. Even if the information is the same, it is peoples applications of this information that matter!

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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by ConnorMcCreesh View Post


      Really time is money as much as understanding is. I for one know that i have read something before and just written it off until i have seen it described in a different light.

      So personally i am all open to different peoples takes on things. Even if the information is the same, it is peoples applications of this information that matter!

      Kind Regards,
      Connor
      Connor, this is why we read and peruse many books on the same topic, because the authors' perspectives can shed a whole new light on something that we had not been aware of before, even though it's on the very same topic.

      For example, I'm a bit of a Civil War buff and love reading all the different books about how the wars were fought and what transpired before and after them. Even in the 21st century, authors are still publishing new books on this very same subject containing their own views and perspectives, and every new book I've read has shed some new light on the subject, even though I've read plenty of material on this already.

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  • Profile picture of the author ConnorMcCreesh
    I could not agree more Paul. It is really good to see marketers take techniques and apply them to new areas.

    There are the radical changes like social media and mobile Internet etc. that are left to the big companies.

    Then there are the incremental changes like taking IM techniques and applying them to social media and mobile Internet that really make for interesting reading.

    Its these small changes that help you hone yourself to a niche and become successful in it.

    I personally am thankful if i pay $30 for a product and learn one new technique that i can build into my arsenal.

    Kind Regards,
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Bill, I have reached the point of my IM career (never thought I'd ever say
      this) that time is my most valuable asset. I actually evaluate each activity
      I do to determine if it's worth my time to do. If it's not, I don't do it, which
      is why, lately, I don't put a lot of hours into my business.

      Every product I create, I look at how much time it will take me and how much
      I can expect to make from it. If it's not at least $X, I don't do it...even if I
      made a good profit from doing it.

      I'd rather spend my time, these days, doing other things and enjoying life.

      So yes, without any doubt, I would pay any amount of money for something
      if it saved me time and gave me a return on my investment.

      Years ago, I would have just hunted and hunted and worked my 14 hour
      days to find what I needed. I would have spent hundreds of hours to make
      a few thousand dollars.

      Funny how things change with success.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Hi Bill,

        I think the two processes are entwined. Once you determine what it is that you need to know, IMO, it's invaluable for you undertake your own research on the subject.

        This has the effect of:

        a) Improving your research skills, which will serve you well throughout your life, and:

        b) Improving your chances of recognizing the products that will actually further your knowledge as opposed to those created by opportunists.

        Honing one's BS detector is a fundamental IM skill and time well spent.



        Hi Sean,

        Originally Posted by ArticlePrince View Post

        The average person will live (in the US) for about 72 years, which means that half of us will get less than that.
        Um..no it doesn't. That's not what the term 'average' means. But I agree with you on the importance of making the most of one's time.

        Hi Mike,

        Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

        Don't know if you've ever seen the classic film Rashomon, by Kurosawa, but it's the story of four people who all witness a rape and murder. While all four saw the same thing, their accounts are very, very different. It was a matter of perspectives influenced by the nature of the people who observed it.
        Fantastic movie.


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  • Profile picture of the author wordygirl
    As a noob who has spent cash on things that were valuable but also on things that wasted my time AND money, I agree that there is value buying a product that saves me time. But since money is hard to come by I would have to have good evidence (via testimonials, etc) that the product would benefit me.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Posting my answer untainted by the other answers...in other words, I haven't read the rest of the thread yet.

    Being kind of an independent sort, I'll probably make an attempt of some sort to find the information on my own before buying a guide. I may find the bit I need, in which case I both keep my money and avoid distraction from the other resources.

    If I don't find what I'm looking for in a reasonable amount of time, I buy the guide without a second thought.

    In a resource guide (i.e., "The _______ Black Book"), "...the fact that they learned something you did not know and shared it with you..." makes it more valuable.

    I know I can dig out a list of resources, given enough time and effort. Buying the guide is essentially buying back my time and effort. If I get that extra insight or nugget or trick that I know I never would have come up with, it's a happy bonus...
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    There seems to be one missing element here.

    I might be able to find all the information I want on Article Marketing by going through dozens or hundreds of threads here. I then have tons of information, maybe the identical information found in guides by Steve Wagenheim, TimG, Zeuss66, etc...

    What I do not have is their process of using all of this data. I do not have a system. I simply have raw data. I have not tapped into their insights and years of experience.

    Information gathered from scattered sources does not have equal value to information put together in an actionable system. I'll take the guide.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Barry Unruh View Post

      There seems to be one missing element here.

      I might be able to find all the information I want on Article Marketing by going through dozens or hundreds of threads here. I then have tons of information, maybe the identical information found in guides by Steve Wagenheim, TimG, Zeuss66, etc...

      What I do not have is their process of using all of this data. I do not have a system. I simply have raw data. I have not tapped into their insights and years of experience.

      Information gathered from scattered sources does not have equal value to information put together in an actionable system. I'll take the guide.
      Under this premise, I agree. I made my post pertaining to what Bill called a "resource guide"...

      In my mind, that's a list of resources with links and some kind of review.

      Another factor your post calls to mind is the source of the product. I'd be far more interested in, say, a list of article marketing resources from Bill or any of the folks you mentioned than I would in one by afahj1367...
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    I'd go for the product any day IF (and it's a big if) I trust the product creator.

    Great one, Bill!
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