one big site vs individual niche domains

by roley
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Whats better

To have one website that caters to lots of categories

or

Several domains that cater to specific categories?

Now with wordpress you can categorize things so nicely it almost seems pointless buying a domain for every niche you enter when you could just have one website that covers it all?

thoughts?
#domains #individual #niche #site
  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    I would say that if your niche's are somewhat similar having them on the same site, with different pages, categories and etc would be fine.

    However, like in my case I have a site that focuses on action figures and another that focuses on shoes. It would make little to no sense for these two niches to exist on the same website. Hope that helps.
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    • If you focus on one niche then you can possibly become an expert in that niche. Experts make far more than anyone else because people come to trust them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
        Originally Posted by Chris The Traffic Blogger View Post

        If you focus on one niche then you can possibly become an expert in that niche. Experts make far more than anyone else because people come to trust them.
        Chris is spot on here I reckon.
        My most successful sites are what I call "Level3" sites.
        If your niche is:

        [level 1] Fitness: This would take years of planning and work to make a fist of it.

        [level 2 ]Exercise Equipment - This is still too broad for me. It covers the whole range and visitors could get lost in space on the site

        [level 3]Elliptical Machine: My favorite. Lets you focus on one type of equipment while expanding to cover brands, price range etc etc

        [level 4]Acme 23Tyd-GoGetter Elliptical Machine - Way too narrow and leaves no scope for fanning out. Also, this model will go out of vogue eventually.

        Other examples of Level 3 sites could be:

        Laptop Computers
        Cordless Drills
        Star Wars Action Figures
        Dog Collars

        In other words you want to pick a niche that is one level up from the specific. Doing this keeps you tightly themed but also gives you scope to expand the site into an authority site.

        This is what works best for me
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        • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
          Originally Posted by Craig McPherson View Post

          Chris is spot on here I reckon.
          My most successful sites are what I call "Level3" sites.
          If your niche is:

          [level 1] Fitness: This would take years of planning and work to make a fist of it.

          [level 2 ]Exercise Equipment - This is still too broad for me. It covers the whole range and visitors could get lost in space on the site

          [level 3]Elliptical Machine: My favorite. Lets you focus on one type of equipment while expanding to cover brands, price range etc etc

          [level 4]Acme 23Tyd-GoGetter Elliptical Machine - Way too narrow and leaves no scope for fanning out. Also, this model will go out of vogue eventually.
          Do multiple levels! I agree with what Craig said above, where his Level 3 example is going to be the easiest to rank and get traffic for.

          But don't stop there. Create the Level 2 (Exercise Equipment) and Level 1 (Fitness) sites as well then interlink them all to create an air of authority between them and drive them all. Domains are cheap. You may make more on the Level 3 site this year, but more on the Level 2 site next year and way more on the Level 1 site a couple of years from now.

          Stick with it.
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          • Profile picture of the author FredJones
            I guess the answer will be different in case of product owners as compared to affiliates.

            If you are a product owner, you would want your product / range of products in the niche to have a dedicated site.

            If you are an affiliate seller of third party seller, I would recommend going for big sites hands down. You leverage your past work on big sites, don't start from the scratch every time.
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  • Profile picture of the author wfano
    the first one
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  • Profile picture of the author Louise M.
    Bloggingpro is right. Often, when I look for something specific online and land on a website that has many categories about a lot of stuff that aren't that related to each other, I don't stay long because it decreases the credibility of the site.

    Then of course if it's in the same niche (like parrots and you have a category for each kind of parrots) it's very relevant and makes your site appear as an authority website.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    I prefer one big site because the limit is the sky. You can make money money then you think. You can be viewed as an expert in the niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kom
    I like to hear more on this topic
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  • Profile picture of the author Miles Kral
    I think it's better to have several targeted sites than one general site. It's alway easier to work with sites that are targeted at a single theme instead of something that's general with general keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
      Its also much easier to optimize smaller niche sites then trying to optimize a big site for lots of different keywords.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Part of the answer depends on your objective.

        If you want to get a quick ranking by taking advantage of a keyword-loaded domain name, keep it smaller and more specific.

        If you want to tackle a broader market, and do it by having several related categories, go with the one big site.

        One hybrid that has worked for a lot of people is having several related sites, typically what Craig is calling 'level 3' sites, with an umbrella site over that.

        Ken Evoy outlined that approach in one of his ebooks.

        The ebook used a site about outlet malls as the main illustration throughout the book.

        Later on, he expanded that, so that if you created:

        > FavoriteFashionOutletMalls
        > FavoriteBig-TallOutletMalls
        > FavoriteKitchenOutletMalls
        > FavoriteAntiqueOutletMalls, etc.

        You could put FavoriteOutletMalls as the umbrella, promoting and linking to each individual site, announcing new content, etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          You could put FavoriteOutletMalls as the umbrella, promoting and linking to each individual site, announcing new content, etc.
          Hey John,

          Great answer mate. Thanks for that.

          Would this mean having all sites on different IP addresses?
          Reason I ask is I have 3 sites in the spraytan/fake tan niche and I want to lift it a gear for the northern hemisphere Summer coming up

          Cheers mate

          Craig
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          • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
            I've been getting very good results by having an umbrella site with content (articles, blog(s), videos, etc... which then drives various sales funnels for sub-niches - some into lists, others directly to sales sites or affiliate sites

            I think of it as a giant spider web that then brings leads into various sub-niche pages oriented at getting the leads to take action toward monetization

            Jeff
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      • Profile picture of the author suemax
        Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

        Its also much easier to optimize smaller niche sites then trying to optimize a big site for lots of different keywords.
        IMO, this is a key point. You are also enabled to add content to a single-niche-only site whereas you will end up with a very big beast if you have a "supermarket" site. Also, I think it smacks of being "only in it for the money" if you are essentially selling parrot cages on one page, LCD TVs on another, and get rich quick schemes on another.... whereas people would warm to you as a parrot lover (even if you aren't!) with a niche "all about parrots" site. I have a good friend (expert IMer too) who gets a lot of PMs from other xx-keepers, just because he has a number of sites in the xx-keeping niche. As far as I know, he has NEVER kept xx's nor does he actually know all that much about them! He DOES know that other people who keep xx's are hot to buy information about keeping xx's.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaski6969
    i am building a lot of mini directories instead of one big directory for the city i live in i am finding it easier to rank for my main keywords because of a loaded domain but it would depend on how many niche markets/keywords your after
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  • Profile picture of the author sbeard
    I've become a fan of small niche sites. They are less work and for me they make more money. If you have one big site and that market changes or Search Engines change then you can easily lose some or all of your income. With several sites in different niches you can lose one and not lose all you income.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gail Hess
      I agree to what Steve Beard said and think small niche sites are best. That is what is working best for me, after trying the larger sites where I didn't make much money.

      Remember the adage "Don't put all your eggs in one basket". Sort of applies here, I think!

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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    It is what you call an authority site. Several domains with different niche/topics can be harder to manage unless you may want to set and forget your sites.

    Andrea
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  • Profile picture of the author Caragui
    I would say it depends on your niche. If the niche lends itself to beingn scalable, a big authority site would be tha best option. If your niche a specialized one, it would be better to build a smaller but highly targeted site.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Craig McPherson View Post

      Hey John,

      Great answer mate. Thanks for that.

      Would this mean having all sites on different IP addresses?
      Reason I ask is I have 3 sites in the spraytan/fake tan niche and I want to lift it a gear for the northern hemisphere Summer coming up

      Cheers mate

      Craig
      Craig, I haven't tested to see if it matters or not. When I've done something like that, I just put all the sites on their own domains within my reseller account.
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  • Profile picture of the author mathieu67
    I prefer big sites to. More money even though more problems.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Also, I think it smacks of being "only in it for the money" if you are essentially selling parrot cages on one page, LCD TVs on another
    Isn't that amazon.com?

    I hear they are doing quite well.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      Isn't that amazon.com?

      I hear they are doing quite well.
      And no one has any doubts about why they do what they do...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dwight Anthony
    I would say to separate your domains for niches that aren't complimentary to each other. If they are complimentary products, you could list on the same domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    It's an interesting discussion but I think a lot of the decision has to do with the resources and abilities of the marketer.

    Craig McPherson's breakdown of markets, niches and sub-niches was a good visual example and it does show the sweet spot for most capable marketers.

    Going too big can become overwhelming, plus, you're jumping into the big boys and corporate territory. Too small and you're return can be slim to none.

    With a solid plan and some resources I think you could jump into the Level 1 and 2 arena. It's a bigger hill to climb when you're getting started but after that, keeping it on track shouldn't be an issue if the marketer already has experience running multiple sites.

    An advantage that a smaller marketer might have when jumping up to the Level 1 and 2 league is mindset, especially with SEO. Most of the big sites rely on their authority and put little effort into SEO at the page level. This is why the little guy can still carve out a place for himself with micro-niches. Take that same approach with a bigger site and you might be able to knock a couple of the big boys off the map.
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  • Profile picture of the author seafrontsteve
    I used to have many hundreds of domains - too many to manage, especially when anything went wrong.
    Now downsizing and concentrating on a much smaller number of higher quality ones which is definitely helping to reduce the number of late night early morning sessions I work.
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  • Profile picture of the author imagene
    If the main site was a "review" type site that had high quality reviews on different topics/products across a range of niches, you could be seen as an authority when someone wanted to check out the product first. Then add coupons etc.?? Maybe...

    I know of a webmaster who has a short main domain name and used his keywords in sub-domains as well as a keyword rich article with his main keyword. It worked well for him with rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author moniya
    Originally Posted by roley View Post

    Whats better

    To have one website that caters to lots of categories

    or

    Several domains that cater to specific categories?

    Now with wordpress you can categorize things so nicely it almost seems pointless buying a domain for every niche you enter when you could just have one website that covers it all?

    thoughts?
    ill get first
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  • Profile picture of the author peria1949
    Mine is a classic case of small verses broad niche debate.

    I want the valuable opinion of this forum members on my 'broad vs small niche' experiment.

    On 21 November 2008 I started my website on a way too brooooooooooad niche 'home and family health' " 'my weight loss experiment' (remove spaces and add dot com) touching all aspects home issues and family health issues and other topics unrelated individually to each other but all pertaining to home and family life.

    My site contains pages of unrelated subdomains individually but all relate to the broad niche 'home and family health.

    I created my first website for the purpose of earning through adsense and affiliate marketing and so after much thought (as an experiment)I selected a very very broad niche so that I can create many many pages with unique content.Next I created many individual pages with unique content with adsense and affiliate marketing monetization.

    I feel that for the webpage to be on the first page of google certain basic needs are to be fulfilled.They are (1) unique and useful content,(2)SEO optimization internally (3)enough one way back links from other websites for that page.If you can fulfill these conditions nothing else matters.

    I created many one way back links for all the individual pages through article marketing. Due to this many of my pages are on the first page of google for unrelated keywords such as 'buy sleep aids','pcos cure','weight loss tips' to name a few.There are many other keywords which are not mentioned here.

    My reasoning was that the 99% of the viewers see only the description in SERP listings
    and if they think that it may solve their problem,click it and visit the site.Viewers are not
    bothered about the broadness of your niche or anything else for that matter.

    After I optimized my adsense ads,I suddenly see increase in my adsense earnings.There are some affiliate sales too.Now my adsense earnings are $30 per month and my amazon and other affiliate earnings are picking up slowly.My traffic is around 200 per day and the page views are 700 per day.

    I eagerly await your learned views.Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author jslee
    This is a question I am still looking for answers. A few good ideas out there. If you are going for a big site, maybe you should buy a few exact keyword level 3 domains and let them age for what is worth. They might come handy and ripe at some point.
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  • Profile picture of the author aidanjb1
    My personal opinion is that a bigger site is better these days as opposed to a lot of small sites based on exact match keyword domains...

    Google seems to be moving away from the mini-site model (you can still make great money from them though!!!) and as larger sites generally provide more value to the visitor, I think these are more long term solutions...they may take longer to rank for keywords however.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashonly
    OK, being new to this game, this question will sound stupid/confused.

    In the large vs. small realm, I see one problem with small as the cost of maintaining multiple domain names, even if they all use the same host account.

    Would having a single, generic domain be effective/good? For example, have the domain be: thedefinitivedog.com and then have multiple blog pages on dogs that ARE NOT linked to each other, so it would look like the stuff came from multiple authors?

    better? worse? upside? downside?
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  • Profile picture of the author tedwood
    People purchase from people they trust and like. This can be built by making a large website that caters for your target audience. For example it's much better to have a website that people can keep checking up on for recent news or new products rather than a stale website that hasn't been worked on in a long time. If you know a way to benefit consumers from niche websites such as coupon codes or special offers by all means go for it.

    However as some of the other members have stated, don't make a content that doesn't benefit your audience. You may be better off making separate niche sites in that case.
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  • Profile picture of the author Furyx2
    if you use ppc, then one big site shouldn't be that hard to do. It would be an investment though.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Some excellent and numerous answers here as always, This forum rocks. Wish I had more time to hang out here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kathy_T
    In my own case, I was more or less "ignorance on fire" when I first started selling on line almost 4 years go.

    In looking at Craig McPherson's post above - where he discusses the Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3 type of structure - My initial efforts resulted in a mix of Level 2 and Level 3, and it took off.

    Basically, I found the Level 2 "niche" - which had numerous potential and closely-related "sub niches" for the Level 3 parts of my site. I was able to locate a single manufacturer that offered enough related "Level 3" products for me to populate my website with, and they agreed to a drop-ship relationship.

    (I stayed away from Level 1 entirely because I knew I couldn't compete in any category that would be far too broad.)

    So this particular model has worked absolutely beautifully for me - I had the primary keyword phrases for the site as a whole, and then more long-tail related keywords for each of the product pages.

    Well, I guess that means I personally think that the "one website that caters to lots of categories" option is not as likely to succeed as having websites that are more niche-specific.

    Again, I know I've only been at this for a few years, but my own experience has been encouraging enough that I can cast my vote with confidence that keeping each website focused on its own niche is the way to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustinAtlan
    I like the many sites for seo reasons, you can rank high if your keywords are in the url. simple as that.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jolina Roxas
    I will also prefer one big site. You can make money money then you think. You can be viewed as an expert in the niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author rohansyco
    I think you should go for many domains on the same category but focusing different keywords....

    I think it would be easier to optimize some specific good keywords for certain domain.
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