Website help required and paid for by website advertising

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Firstly I am sorry if anyone feels this is posted in the wrong place. I checked other areas of the Warrior forum, such as the War Room and Classified ads, and genuinely felt this was the best place to ask this long winding question.

I own a website which I am slowly taking to the top of the search engine results for a number of keywords, and I often achieve high up page one rankings for several of them. They are keywords which do get hundreds of searches per month.

Since I started this site during 2009 I have learnt many of the important things that I need to know in order to make it successful, however as I am doing all of the work myself and attempting to go for the most competitive niche on the net (The "make money online" niche) I am finding that progress in a number of areas is slower than I had initially hoped for.

If I am totally honest I would have to say that the only aspect of the website that I truly love is the website header image, which kind of sums up all my desires in one graphic, and probably sums up every other guys desires too (It has a nice big house, a good looking car, a pretty girl and loads of cash... sounds great to me!)

There has been progress with the site in terms of the fact that it does just occasionally create an income, but I must confess that it is tiny, and that there is no way that I can give up even a day of my job, a job which takes up most hours of each work day and most of my energy.

I think the reason why progress is so slow is simply because I am "spreading myself too thin" as they say, and never really focus enough time on one aspect of the project before I need to leave it and get something else completed.

AND SO TO BUSINESS

For this reason I would like to get some assistance from those who have the online skills I still lack. However I would like to pay them for their efforts NOT with cash, but with potentially more lucrative offers.

For example, their affiliate links could be inserted into rebranded ebooks which could then be made available for download from the site for free, both from the downloads page and also within the members area (which still requires more content)

Adverts and other affiliate links could be placed throughout the site as another way of generating payments for those that could offer their help.

There are many different ways that I could repay those that are interested in collaborating on this project, aside from simply paying cash. Let’s face it, I could just go to Elance and pay for help there if I had enough money to pay for things.

The reason that I would like to do all of this for free is twofold really (Its not that I am a skinflint!):

1. I have just spent most of my free cash in having a Clickbank product created (Yes, I know... a mistake like a newbie might make there!) and I am still editing it and otherwise wasting a whole lot of time trying to get the rewrite the way I like it, and so there literally isn’t any spare cash left.

2. I would love to prove to my website members that it is possible to build a website that becomes successful without having to spend any money at all, besides domains and hosting (this despite my admission of spending a wad of cash on a Clickbank product I am still editing!)

If anyone would like to take a look at the website I require assistance with please pm me. If anyone has any suggestions or comments for areas of improvements’ and the things that they could help and what they require in return, please pm me and let me know what you think. Even a barrage of criticism is helpful at this stage!
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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    Firstly, congrats on your first post and welcome to the forum

    Now for the harsh bit

    Many internet business folk dont like people promoting the fact that they can teach others to make money online but in reality they cant.

    Your website is a what i like to call MMO or a make money online site. But yet you are here on the warrior forum asking for help because the site isnt making you enough money, and you admitted your a "newbie".

    Do you see what im getting at?

    I used to get pissed off at guys like you too, now i like to think im much more mature :rolleyes:...I think the reason you guys do this stuff is cos you see the gurus do it... Am i right?

    Anyway im getting waaaay of track here...

    The point is, dont get into the MMO niche if you cant walk the walk.

    The second point is, dont get into the MMO niche if you cant walk the walk.

    The third point is, if you really want the site to work for you, go spend a few months learning how to make money online with other niche sites that having nothing to do with making money online and then come back to it.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheQuietMan
    Hi Andrei.

    Thanks for your reply.
    I new I should have clarified things more when I first made my post.

    1. Although I CAN make money from the internet, I am not going to lie about the fact that I don't make enough from the website as I don't have enough free time to work on it. I don't lie to the people on my email list and tell them that I do earn a fortune, they all know that I still work long hours at my normal job.

    2. The mistake I made that I felt was a "Newbie Mistake" was simply bothering to create my own product so soon after getting my business online, when in fact I should have simply used other Rebrandable products and waited until I had a lot more available capital before going this route. I DONT actually think of myself as a "newbie" that was simply my reaction to all that has unfolded since that Elance ebook escapade.

    3. I would hate to think that anybody would get the impression that I was just like the rest of those people you speak of on the internet that make their money by charging for information that was not of any use. I did not explain the fact that I have never (and will never!) charge directly for access to any information on my website.

    On that point, it does make me angry when "those people" try and con you online. I recently went through some of the garbage I bought online years ago. Stuff that had been sitting in a box from before I moved apartments'. I was amazed at how poor the quality of the stuff was, compared to the free information that even I was giving out.
    (That might sound like its okay to charge for crap, because everyone else was doing it, but I don't want that)

    I always planned for this website to be a "free to access" information resource that would actually offer real value.

    Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eko Ventures
    Hey PJ,

    Please take what I'm about to say as constructive criticism, not an insult or attack. My initial impression of your website is YIKES! If I were to come across this browsing I would laugh a bit then run away.

    There are a number of factors that pushed this impression upon me, and although lack of technical finesse and design plays a part, it's far from the most glaring issue. What stands out to me and instantly turns me off of your website is the general gimmicky feel to it. I'm reminded of those pyramid websites that were big around 8-10 years ago - the ones where you payed 900$ for what was effectively a copy of a sales page and resell rights. They were littered with cheesy bling, cash floating around everywhere, fake smiles and a crock-pot pitch of how buying it would let you live in a mansion in some tropical resort and never work a day in your life again.

    That said... After taking a look through your site, it's not all that bad - I see what you're trying to do and see how if done properly could be lucrative. Although I still strongly suggest you move away from the general "feel" your site gives off, you're here for technical help, not business advice.

    The first step I would suggest you take, is to make the transition to Wordpress. Although it is a blogging platform at it's core, it's become so much more. I personally build 90% of my websites, and my clients websites using Wordpress. It's versatility and ease of use is simply unmatched.

    If you're interested in making the move to Wordpress, shoot me a PM or hit me up on skype/MSN - I'll be glad to help.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    I apologize if I come off as an ass here. But the OP seems far too promotional for someone who really is here looking for help. I know I'm new here, but something just doesn't sit right with me about your post.

    I do like the Header on your site.
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    You're going to fail. If you're afraid of failure then you do not belong in the Internet Marketing Business. Period.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Wow Paul, either you dont get it yet Or you do but there is something keeping you from admitting it ... Personally i think you do get it, and its nothing but pure pride in you screamin for you not to let this thing go "My Precious!"

      Let me make it clearer for you.

      Your header which you are so proud of looks f***ing cheesy dude. Its fake. There is nothing real about it. Im pretty certain you dont own a ferrari Paul.

      The third and fourth paragraph say this: "
      There are two ways of making money in this world.
      One is where you are stuck in an office or some place even worse!" & "The other is where you can earn your cash just sat at the beach or a peaceful garden, with a drink in your hand and a laptop by your chair."

      Again, as the image in the header, it is fake, its insinuating that you actually dont work and that you are laying on some beach (which ive heard are cold, wet and boring in England anway ) But yet your honest here on the forum and say your stuck at work for too long to focus 100% of your efforts on the site "as I don't have enough free time to work on it" ... "they all know that I still work long hours at my normal job".

      Mate, im not even going to waste mine and your time picking apart the site. Some of the stuff makes no sense at all and no i wouldt care to enlighten you because i personally dont like being a mean spirited prick. But 'cmon man, just take a look at some of the obvious flaws'.

      Like i clearly stated not once but twice!

      If you cant walk the walk dont get into MMO.

      Lemme give you a hint: Why do most mmo sites show proof of earnings? Its cos as the guru you have to prove yourself to the student or clients. You have to show them you are the real deal.

      Maybe its my fault for not explaining what i mean.

      Talking about internet marketing, and actually living it and earning (Thats the keyword here) a living from it a 2 totally different things.

      You ever been to the gym Paul?

      I have (not often though :rolleyes. If you have ever been to the gym, you'll notice every gym has a guy, a self proclaimed expert! This guy walks around and talks to everyone, he give them advice, he talks himself up, he drinks the right protein drinks, he knows the best techniques and he knows a guys who knew a guy who was around at golds gym back when arnie was there.... Hes a very likeable dude...

      But there is something not right about the expert. He short, hes pale, he's skinny and has man boobs, his arms look pretty beefy but then again you would expect more from an expert body builder, and your pretty sure you have even seen him light up a smoke on his way out a few times.

      Essentially. The expert is full of ****. He a nice guy. But he IS full of ****. Maybe he would like to be the big bad ass body builder but in reality he is just a jive talkin human turd.

      Now look around the gym, see the dude in the back corner pumping iron on his own, see how massive he is?

      He never talks to anyone, he just walks in, warms up, does his hour and a half long routine, makes some blood curdling war cry type of screams, warms down, makes everyone looks small and then goes home. Now this dude... He has traps bigger than brock lesnar and a back that would intimidate a t-rex. He has bowling ball sized muscles on his arms and his chest looks like one of those ancient greek sculptures, you can only imagine the washboard 6 pack hes packin ... Basically this dude looks like he was one of the warriors in the movie 300.

      Who would you want advice from?

      Do i really need to keep going paul?

      Make a decision mate. keep going with the site that aint workin and that wont work for you simply because its not a true indicator of you being a good make money online teacher because you have not done it yourself.

      OR

      Put the business skills you have from your current day job, and the skills you have learnt building this site to research another niche and then build a real sustainable business from it.

      I could give you a hint at what you could do, but id rather not...

      In fact ill leave you a crumb trail... .... your 'recommended products' are just ads and you have not said why you recommend them.... Maybe your site users would appreciate a review or two.

      I personally think that what i just said there is worth thousands to you, you could totally build your own niche out of that without even going for a full 180 change and instead just change a few things on the site...

      Ill leave it up to you.

      Andrei
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  • Profile picture of the author TheQuietMan
    Hey Yasha.

    Thanks for your comment.

    I'm glad to hear your comments. I have considered using wordpress for the ease with which the website could be managed and run, and I think I will probably go that route, so I will be in touch by pm in the next few days to talk to you about that.

    On the issue of the whole "Gimmicky" feel to it, I agree that the impression the graphics give could be taken that way.

    However I also feel that some sort of graphical element like this is required to "sell the dream", despite the fact that I am not actually selling anything!

    As I have already said previously I had no desire to ever charge for this website, which admittedly might not make business sense, but is the way I always wanted it run.

    I would like to get people in with "the dream" and then get them doing the things that are required to get them making money from the internet without them even realising they are actually working.

    Too many people do not like the word "work" so I want to go easy on them at first, and then slowly get them doing the online work they need to in order to be successful.

    Anyway that was my thinking for the whole "feel" of the site, which admittedly could give the wrong impression.

    MOVING ON

    Hey BloggingPro.

    Thanks for your comment.

    I am sorry if my first post sounded a little promotional in nature. In a sense I am looking for help AND others to collaborate on the project.

    I guess for this reason I did write it sounding a little bit promotional, simply to get the help of those people that frankly speaking would be more likely to help if they felt that they would benefit from doing so in a long term financial sense (as opposed to a short term, one off fee, as with Elance)

    I'm glad that you like the header. I wanted the header image to appeal to those who want the basic dreams in life (money, girl and house) but that don't really know where to begin online.

    As I said above, I wanted to give the feel of being able to make a living online without having to do too much actual work for it, then slowly bring people around to the idea of doing the small amount of work required in order to actually make that happen.

    MOVING ON

    Hey Andrei.

    Thanks for your comment.

    It's true that I don't own a Ferrari. I admit that I have a website that gives a rather more exaggerated view of my life at present.

    But then again, be honest would you want to see a picture of me sat in a crappy old rust heap of a car that some drunk had just been sick on? Sat next to a fat, spotty unattractive girl that you would not want to be seen out with unless it was very dark? (Which luckily it usually is here in merry old England!)

    Advertisers who want you to buy some new razor with 5 blades in it always show an attractive girl rubbing your face as soon as you've used it. If they showed the types of girls most of us know and work with every day then they wouldn't sell anywhere near as many razors!

    I guess the point I'm making here is that exaggeration is how everyone sells everything, whether it's online or real world. I really don't see anything wrong in making things look better by using pictures that appear rather more attractive than the real world.

    I realise that I should have made my about me page stress more strongly that I still haven't given up my day job, but people who look at it will see that it's self evident.

    Anyway, thank you for your contribution.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Im gonna be the one to call you out bro.

      You have no idea.

      Exaggerating, is one thing. BUt, you are totally full of it mate and you know it.

      Gillette sell razors, gillette can prove their razors work. You sell dreams. Exactly like you keep admitting. you are trying to sell stuff that doesnt exist and your not even good at it.

      One thing i cant stand is when someones head is so far up their rear they cant even realize when they are being given pure golden advice from someone that actually cares.

      Your going no where with the current attitude. And someone needs to inflate your head.

      Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheQuietMan
    Thanks Andrei for your comments.

    Anyway, if there is anyone out there that is interested in collaborating on this project then please let me know by pm.

    One thing that I need to make much clearer is that the website is NOT about selling.
    There is also no plan to ever charge anything EVER for access to the information within the website.

    It's clear to me that there are people around who seem to think that I want to charge money for something.

    The website is supposed to be free access to information. Obviously an income from the site would be generated by the affiliate products reviewed on it and other advertisements, but the website itself will ALWAYS be free.

    At the moment anyone visiting the website can see that there aren't any actual reviews of products on the site, only the links to those products that I like are in place.

    Finally, the reason I continue working my "normal" job is simply because at present I still earn more per day in work than the amount generated by the website.

    Obviously that will change when I get the website revamped and working the way it should, which is why I am here seeking assistance from those with the different skill sets I lack like website design etc.

    Anyway, as I am ill this week I have more time on the pc to get work done and read through peoples helpful comments, so anyone is welcome to pm me with advice.

    Final words "I am not selling" on the website, everything is free!

    And also a very big thanks to all of those who (will no doubt) continue to post their comments here for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I wouldn't touch this with a 50 foot pole. It includes everything that I hate about Internet Marketing, from the cheesy header with the car, estate, money piled up everywhere, girl lounging on car, photo of girl with laptop on beach, beach front home to this:

    The other is where you can earn your cash just sat at the beach or a peaceful garden, with a drink in your hand and a laptop by your chair.
    Looks like your typical Make Money Online scam site with ridiculous promises and nothing concrete.

    Who knows ... maybe the product is worth something, but your website screams scam to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheQuietMan
      Hi sbucciarel

      Thanks for your comment.

      I see that you have a lot going on yourself, and I appreciate you taking the time to comment here.

      (I will probably be back in touch with you again sometime. Your niche blogs look really interesting; both for me and the members of my site would like to hear about it too)

      I am beginning to wonder if my website looks as though it is one of those that are selling something offering massive wealth.

      I have to admit it doesn’t really look like one where everything is free, but that’s due to the type of market I am aiming for.

      I should explain that better really.

      Years ago when I had a really terrible job I was stuck in a place where all we did on our breaks was discuss what we would do if we ever had enough money to escape the "work until your 70" life.

      None of us had a clue back then what we were going to do online, we just knew that the online world was our only way out.

      We also all knew that our lives would pretty much end up consisting of little more than sitting resting somewhere, drinking and being surrounded by beauty.

      When I started this website I realised that people like we were back then, were exactly the market I wanted to reach.

      Anyone who already knows what they want to do and how to do it will not benefit from visiting my website, only those who don’t know where to start will get any help from it.

      I wanted to grab all those dreamers and get them actually doing something that works and benefits them, rather than let them keep on dreaming.

      Anyway that’s my long winded explanation of how the site started looking the way it does now, and also an explanation of the market I am aiming for.

      Perhaps I should get the website redesigned so that people know two things immediately when they first visit it:

      1. They will have to work for their living (although that’s mostly going to be done on a laptop, as I’ve always said)

      2. They will not be expected to ever buy or pay for anything to access the website.

      First impressions are so important, and I don’t think I have been giving enough consideration to the impressions of other markets.

      Anyway, thank you once again for your comments, and I will be in touch.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Here's the thing about catering to dreamers. They usually buy products and either they lose interest very fast if it isn't easy enough to make fast money or they buy something that promises everything and then delivers nothing.

    They usually end up feeling like they got scammed, even though they search for these types of products over and over again, trying each one briefly and having no success with anything.

    Then they come into the forum and start threads about how everyone here is just a scammer ripoff artist trying to steal money from newbies. In a lot of cases, they are right, but in some cases they are not.

    I'm sure it's a lucrative market, as there's no end to the dreamers looking for an easy buck, mostly without really working, but the thing is ... the really successful people on this forum work their butts off. They know that it isn't easy and they know that building a long term sustainable business is the way to go rather than a flash in the pan solution that at best will give them a short term gain.

    If you can actually capture this market and indeed give them something useful that will actually work for them and make them money, that would be great. But the overall impression of your website at first glance, conveys the impression of fabulous wealth ...
    without working much.

    A lot of my customers are newbies ... they need a lot of help and assistance along the way, but they haven't been sucked into my products with false promises, so they full expect to have to roll up their sleeves and get to work. That's the only way that I can work with them. I can't deal with the dreamers. I don't want to mislead people into believing that making money online is fast, easy, will lead to great wealth instantly ... all those things that a lot of sellers promise but never deliver.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheQuietMan
      Hey sbucciarel.

      You are right that there seems to be much more interest from my members when they first visit the website and sign up to my emails, than after they have received a few of them and realise that they actually have to do something online to make money.

      That probably is down to the initial impression I gave them when they arrive at the website.

      For example my first few emails are fairly easy going stuff, like welcoming them and showing them their free downloads and letting them know they can email me with questions etc.

      After that there are a few letting them know about various free services they can use online, and other tools that can help them.

      Once it gets past this stage, I start noticing a drop off in my email open rate, and once it gets to recommended products and tips on how to use them the email open rate really does drop off a cliff.

      That would seem to go along with the general feeling that dreamers only like the easy stuff, buy the first product they see, and then give up without really trying it.

      Which of course is a shame because they would start making progress if they would just continue putting in some daily effort.

      Most of my emails that generate a commission are in the beginning of my email queue, and those generated from web content seem to be from people that never even invest the time to join the email list in the first place.

      So I guess I must grudgingly accept that you are right with your interpretation of both my website impression to new visitors and the target market I am currently attracting.

      This also brings to mind some research I did a couple of months ago when I was concerned about the effect that "email no opens" would have on my overall email deliverability rate.

      I was very concerned that there were some people on my list that received emails they had no interest in, yet simply deleted without opening to unsubscribe.

      When this happens it does harm the overall email deliverability rate, as emails are more likely to be marked as spam automatically by ISP's if that senders emails are generally not getting opened.

      Aweber confirmed this with a direct answer. They said if a subscriber cannot be reinvigorated, if all else fails they should be manually unsubscribed from your email list.

      They would have to be manually unsubscribed, as they will not open an email to do so themselves, and it is unlikely they will open one telling them they are about to be removed from the list.

      All of that sounds harsh, as I did not want to stop helping those on my list, but Aweber state as a last resort that's all you can do.

      I did not want to risk the new subscribers not receiving the emails because they were automatically sent to spam folders, simply because of the problems caused by old members not opening the emails and not unsubscribing either.

      Anyway sbucciarel, thanks for your comments, you have certainly given me food for thought, and I am starting to realise that all is not well with my current setup after all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mar
    Hi, Paul - Here's what's putting me off reading the text on your home page; that's the text all centered in the page. I find it incredibly difficult to read. If I can't read your pages, then I can't buy.

    I'm not too hot about the graphics either ... sorry.

    The site's navigation menu seems to be on 2 lines (using Firefox) and the buttons look dated as well.

    Try to get to grips with wordpress and use a modern funky template; make the on-page graphics slightly smaller or find better ones and then start comparing/contrasting your own site against your competitors.

    Not all bad news, though; well done on building the site in the first place and for having products you can sell. You've given yourself a really hard task competing in the make money niche, so getting top google placements for some of your keywords is a huge accomplishment. Don't give up now!

    Best
    Mar
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    • Profile picture of the author TheQuietMan
      Hi Mar.

      I am having a look at a few things you mentioned in your post.

      I guess that left aligning my text would be better, but with the way I have been working with my site I often don't see it visually, if that makes any sense at all.

      I have been putting too much effort into keeping the search engine robots happy, rather than the human visitors.

      Not that it has harmed my commissions in one sense, but in another it has. So this requires a bit of explanation here.

      But it's worth reading this next bit, as it's a good trick for generating higher commissions you can try yourself.

      Essentially, I have many articles and press releases out there that can help to drive visitors through my affiliate links, which in turn creates the commissions.

      Now obviously at the time the articles and press releases are submitted, the links do just come back to my site, as that is the best way of getting them all approved.

      It's only after they have appeared on multiple articles sites or press release sites that I change the destination of the actual link.

      Of course that might leave me open to having the article or press release removed from a site, but I have never noticed that happen yet, and because they are already all over the internet at the time I do it then it does not really make a difference to my traffic through the link.

      I have used both the Meta refresh and JavaScript redirect for the links, but finally settled on the JavaScript redirect as this works better for my needs.

      I don't like having just the plain affiliate link in the redirect link, so these were the options I considered.

      Anyway the point I'm making is that no one needed to even see my website during the redirect, so it is possible I became a little oblivious to the visual effect of it.

      I think it was well worth explaining all of this though, as changing links after article publication is quite a good method of generating commission.

      Of course it should only be done to the actual product that suits the article content, as this generates the highest commissions. Plus the product owner's website is of course designed perfectly to sell it without them being distracted by my site.

      You are right about the website navigation panel - it is old looking and is split onto two lines.

      I can hardly remember why this happened, but I think it was due to the amount of buttons on the panel at one point, plus the way it was displayed in various environments.

      Whatever it was, the panel eventually became split like this and simply remained so ever since as SEO became the priority at the time.

      The design of the navigation panel in the first place was only chosen because I wanted to show my members just starting out how simple it was to have some sort of navigation system in place without it requiring hardly any effort to implement.

      Frankly it was the simplest free one available at the time, and it has been there ever since. I have no real feelings about the navigation system, so I might consider changing that at some time.

      I have been advised about wordpress earlier, and I am seriously considering it, but again my mind is still considering the impact on my SEO.

      Without making this post too much longer, my rather simple site has achieved pretty high up rankings for some phrases, which I want to improve further still.

      It will be some time yet before I can go for the king of phrases, which is "Make money online", but I aim to do so as soon as I can.

      It's been a lot of work the way I have done it, but it has paid off when you look at it from a ranking position.

      I treat each page on the site simply to target the individual keyword phrase.

      I then have this keyword phrase in all Meta tags (Title, Description, Keywords - even abstract and classification)

      The keyword phrase is also used in the main heading tags (H1 etc) and also highlighted in several ways and used throughout the page a few times.

      Each page also ends with the keyword phrase, and has enough alternative meaning phrases to boost its position still further.

      Additionally every graphic on each individual page is named with the keyword phrase for that page, has the keyword phrase for that page as its title and even uses it for its alternative text.

      Even the header and footer images of each page are renamed for every other page on the site - so it's technically not the same image on each page!

      Finally I try to have as many anchor text links to each individual page as I possibly can with the correct keyword phrase for that page as the linked text.

      As you can see this method of gaining higher position in the search engines is quite time consuming, but creates a lot of benefit when you consider the search engine placement for a site no one likes!

      And here's one last interesting thing I have only recently noticed. Google have decided to upgrade my page rank for some of my pages, including my home page which has now risen from 3 to 4.

      Now I realise that page rank is not as important anymore, but it is interesting that Google should bother to do this at all.

      I must be slowly getting the SEO right in their eyes, if nothing else.

      Only one tiny thing I need to tell you though - I am not selling anything myself, I am either giving away stuff for free, or simply promoting other peoples paid products.

      Anyway, thanks Mar for your comments. I hope some of my information above is of benefit to you and that you can run with it for your own websites.

      And those sentiments also go for anyone else that want to make a (better looking) website and get it as high up into the search engines' as possible.
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