A Pop-Up is the First Thing I See at Your Site - WTF Were You Thinking?

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You know what I'm talking about...you land on a site and there's this big honking billboard that has the entire site content obscured shouting "Join my list or buy my stuff or I won't let you see what's behind me".

You've spent all this time and trouble (and maybe even money) getting people to your site and the first thing they see is this big-ass barrier to your content that they have to deal with somehow before they can even see what's inside? WTF were you thinking??

(Don't even get me started on those little boxes that chase you around... )
#popup #site #thing #thinking #wtf
  • Profile picture of the author The Bad Blogger
    Well... I did that to my blog and it doesn't seem to work well, I thought may be my offer sucks, or may be the opt-in form doesn't look nice but I realize... is all up to personal to reason the answer out.
    I mean some do pop-up may be because the results are good but some may not... actually it depends on WTF the result are....
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  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
    Hey I have a lightbox popover from Aweber on my blog and yeah I agree they can be annoying, but I can tell you from experience they work!

    Its like night and day the opt-in rates are way higher having one than not having an annoying popup. But mine doesn't chase you around the screen! You just have to close it and all the juicy content is yours for the taking.

    The annoying popup always wins thats why its called the annoying popup lol

    I agree though Stephen they are annoying but they do bring results unfortunately!
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    • Profile picture of the author pappyy3
      Originally Posted by entrepreneurjay View Post

      Hey I have a lightbox popover from Aweber on my blog and yeah I agree they can be annoying, but I can tell you from experience they work!

      Its like night and day the opt-in rates are way higher having one than not having an annoying popup. But mine doesn't chase you around the screen! You just have to close it and all the juicy content is yours for the taking.

      The annoying popup always wins thats why its called the annoying popup lol

      I agree though Stephen they are annoying but they do bring results unfortunately!
      .................No they don't
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      • Profile picture of the author Vogin
        The fact is I don't like pop-ups either.

        Another fact is that marketers are there for their customers. We have to ignore our personal preferences and focus on customers' instead.

        I realized several months ago that technically every IM technique can be assigned one of two basic statutes:
        • bad - lying, deceiving, cheating, black hat stuff... a.k.a dishonesty
        • neutral - everything else

        There is simply no way how one man could stand upfront, point a finger and say "this technique is bad" - unless it falls in the definition of bad above.

        What's working and what's not depends totally on the certain market and not on what do we think.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
    Yep, any kind of popup, popover, popunder, etc are bloody annoying! As marketers shouldn't we be implementing techniques that we personally feel fine using? So why does it make sense if you hate them yourself, you will then go ahead and use them on your own site? I'll tell you, because you want to force the visitor on your site to make a purchase any way you can. Popovers, etc are just like those annoying people in super markets trying to sell you something or get you to make a donation to some charity. We all hate it when they approach us, so why use the same technique yourself? It's these techniques that are giving IM a bad reputation. Everyone thinks marketers are nothing but money hungry pigs who will do anything to make a sale, and that disgusts me! A sale should be made on its own merit, not on the fact that someone or something needs to push them into doing so.
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    • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
      Originally Posted by mikescos View Post

      Popovers, etc are just like those annoying people in super markets trying to sell you something or get you to make a donation to some charity. We all hate it when they approach us, so why use the same technique yourself?
      All i've seen is that you think marketers are money hungry pigs.

      Do you rant and complain every time someone in a supermarket tries to sell you something. Or when a Chugger (charity mugger) asks you to donate, Or do you think - "That's annoying" and move away. Have you ever completely boycotted a supermarket because of it?

      Have you thought, if it's so annoying why do the supermarkets/charities employ such tactics. Could it be because it works?

      Popups are no different. Some people will walk away completely.
      Some people may actually click the X button to close the window.
      (wow that was hard). Others may sign up and opt in.

      Testing will prove whether it's effective or not.

      Originally Posted by mikescos View Post

      A sale should be made on its own merit, not on the fact that someone or something needs to push them into doing so
      Really - I guess all the businesses in the world better sack their salesmen and wait for the customers to come to them.

      I think people shouting about how every technique they dislike is giving "IM a bad reputation" are helping to give IM a bad reputation.
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  • Profile picture of the author rickfrazier1
    Popups in and of themselves are not so bad, so long as they delay long enough so you have a chance to actually see what the site is about...

    If I encounter a popup that fires immediately, I fire right back, by leaving the site. There are just too many choices to be bullied into doing something I'm not ready for.

    On the other hand, give me some time to actually read the content on the site, and use a popup to entice me to sign up once I'm interested, and they aren't so bad.

    Another technique I find particularly irritating is the site pages where you need to "like" the site, product or vendor without knowing anything about it first. Get a free report, just press this "like" button. I'm not adverse to clickinig on a "like" link once I understand the article or what the site is about, but again, forcing the issue too early just doesn't get me to click through...

    However, to hear many people tell it, these techniques are very effective. I suppose the best thing would be to do some split testing to see if they work for my own sites...
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    • Profile picture of the author suemax
      I heartily agree with you, Rick. I'm VERY happy to "like" things I like (but can't right now, since I have 5000 friends! How daft is that, Facebook - don't hinder your best users!!). I am the first to praise things I like, but I am turned off from staying at all if there are annoying popups. One offered to leavers of the site would surely be more appropriate? "Now you are leaving, how about being kept in touch?" is surely a softer message.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Whether or not we personally find them annoying, the ultimate litmus test is whether it enables you to maximize opt-ins, and therefore profits.

    You'll always offend someone no matter what you do, and I think that as long as your opt-in box is not deceptive in any way, there's no reason to avoid using them.

    If you're unsure, do a split test to see which approach gets you a higher opt-in rate - I'm pretty sure these "annoying" pop ups are the ones that'll typically win though.
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  • Profile picture of the author YoichiSpeaks
    Just like everything it all depends.
    I personally do not like pop ups but I can see how effective it can be, and there are plenty of reasons why businesses incorporate pop up ads. If its increasing leads or sales through pop up then it works. Ones reputation is always on the line when you do business. 95% of businesses fail because they either don't have a reputation or abused and lost it. If pop ups annoy people then those site will lose traffic interest (high bounce rate) and thus impact that website. If the pop up actually increased sales then I would put pop up ads too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Igor Kheifets
    It's better as opposed to having the pop up
    appear 3-5 seconds or 1-3 minutes after the person
    comes to the site since he will be probably reading something
    or watching a video and it will just annoy him even more
    and interrupt the experience.

    So, if you want to have a pop up on your site, it must
    come up the second the person comes or when he tries to leave.

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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    I don't think there's really any definitive answer to this. The only way you'll know for sure, one way or the other, is to split test different pages to see which converts better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Oh come on guys, are you serious? First up-sells now this. It amazes me how many people on this forum hate being marketed to.

    Chris

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    • Profile picture of the author J.M.Wilson
      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      Oh come on guys, are you serious? First up-sells now this. It amazes me how many people on this forum hate being marketed to.

      Chris

      P.S. Paul charges $5 for whiny posts
      It's not a case of hate being marketed to.

      In fact I love being marketed to.

      However, I hate it when I'm marketed to in a way that forcefully stops me from going about my activities as I see fit. I enjoy walking around looking at billboard ads but I'm telling you now, if one of the companies advertising sent out a sales rep who jumped out in front of me and stopped me from going where I wanted to go I'd be pissed.

      Same with these horrendous pop ups that take an age to load and just waste your time.

      If they work for you great but for me they just make me want to click the back button as fast as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aj Wilson
    a-men brutha
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Yep, I know what you mean!

    However as a side point - I have a pop up on most of my sites that if you try and leave it takes you to a page and offers a discount, sometimes an opt in.

    I don't like it aesthetically, but it improves conversions and sales!

    That's what I'm thinking...
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  • Profile picture of the author spudnick
    It's all about testing.

    I have tested pop-ups on my sites - both on entering and on leaving.

    Some sites fared terribly with an entry pop-up. Some did extremely well. It all depends.

    Always test, test, test. Everything if you can (and it is a profitable site to begin with).

    But I agree - I personally hate being confronted with entry pop-ups and will often leave straight away!
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  • Profile picture of the author erikmacklin
    but pop-ups are not that good idea...
    irritates the viewers..
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    • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
      Originally Posted by erikmacklin View Post

      but pop-ups are not that good idea...
      irritates the viewers..
      It irritates some viewers, then again some folks come to your page and leave immediately whether you have a popup or not

      I think it's better to test and see what your visitors feel, rather than assume it annoys them. If it does you take it down. If it doesn't great you've just converted more people to your list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
    Most of the "ram down your throat" marketers are blinded by short term results. The problem with this kind of marketing is it requires a continually renewable database of sign-ups to be sustained. For something like the get your ex back niche this can work well because it is the model.

    When this kind of marketing is carried over to a potentially long term business, it becomes madness. For something like the IM niche, you have the potential to sell products to your subscribers and visitors at every level. You have a product for when they are clueless, products for when they are intermediate, and more products for when they have got so good that they are doing better than you are.

    The smart marketer will have something for everybody at all levels of their experience, a website that visitors will want to come back to for years to come and a list they want to stay on and read everytime it arrives in their inbox. The seller moves with the buyer.

    IMO, none of this is conjucive with ram down your throat marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author BlogPiG.com
      If a pop-up offers something of value to the site visitor, only takes up a small percentage of the screen and is easy to close then you can't automatically label it as a bad thing.

      I don't use them on my plugins site but have used them in the past on other sites and exit pop-ups have delivered up to 9% increase in visitor to purchase rates. Admittedly welcome pop-ups have lower impact on immediate sales but they can increase opt-in rates.

      I personally am not a fan of seeing pop-ups but that is normally because they are irrelevant to what I want to achieve with that website visit.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    You've spent all this time and trouble (and maybe even money) getting people to your site and the first thing they see is this big-ass barrier to your content that they have to deal with somehow before they can even see what's inside? WTF were you thinking??
    Let's back this up and take a second look.

    First of all, nobody is building a site because they want people to read the content. If you are in this forum and monetizing your site don't even pretend that money isn't priority #1.

    So, you get traffic to your site and they might sign-up for your newsletter or purchase something or click on an Ad... or they might not.

    If they don't, all that person has done is wasted your bandwidth.

    Maybe you've converted a few to regular readers and maybe one of those regular readers might sign-up for your newsletter or purchase something or click on an Ad... or they might not.

    If they don't, all those readers have done is wasted more of your bandwidth.

    See where I'm going with this?

    You've build a site with a purpose in mind. That purpose, to make money. If you are not making money, that site is a waste of internet space.

    Introduce the popup, instant results.

    You want something from your traffic, that is why you built the site. A popup gets right to the point.

    If your traffic isn't following through with whatever it is you need them to do that makes you money, that traffic is meaningless.

    Yeah, popup suck, but they work.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    I delay mine for 180 seconds...seems to be better for the bounce rate and only the people who hang around and are really interested see it.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    We had a thread about this recently. I don't mind the popup (lightbox type), I just can't fathom why the site owner thinks it will convert better if it appears with zero delay! (well, unless he's really tested it) That's just insane! I mean, I came to the site looking for an answer to something, not to fill in some form! I always, without exception, close these popups instantly, not so much out of indignation, just to get it out of my way ASAP, so I can continue looking for what I came for! Depends on the niche of course, but most research that I have seen indicates that popup optins convert best when the delays is upwards of 25s. aWeber has a statistic somewhere in their help, can't find it now. With a longer delay the visitor is more engaged with your content and there is also more chance that they are actually a decent lead rather than someone who didn't know how to close the optin!
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    It kind of sounds like all the people that hate pop-ups are assuming that the pop-up offers some useless ebook or newsletter that no one in their right mind would ever want to sign up for.

    Sounds like no matter what offer popped up you would become disgruntled and hit the back button.

    I doubt you would sign up for the mailing list no matter how it was presented, right?

    I see it from a different point of view. I like to think that what I am offering in my pop-up is something the visitor really wants. I mean they came to my site looking for information on the topic and I have a really great ebook that gives them good information. I want to make sure they see that right away.

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    • Profile picture of the author J.M.Wilson
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      It kind of sounds like all the people that hate pop-ups are assuming that the pop-up offers some useless ebook or newsletter that no one in their right mind would ever want to sign up for.

      Sounds like no matter what offer popped up you would become disgruntled and hit the back button.

      I doubt you would sign up for the mailing list no matter how it was presented, right?

      I see it from a different point of view. I like to think that what I am offering in my pop-up is something the visitor really wants. I mean they came to my site looking for information on the topic and I have a really great ebook that gives them good information. I want to make sure they see that right away.

      Lee
      Hi Lee

      As you can see from my post above, I fall into that category.

      And I want to concur with you that the reason I hate it is because of my presumptions. I do think "Oh dear, what crap is this now" when i see a pop up appear.

      However, the main problem I have with them is that they are intruding and just make me angry when I'm happily going in my own direction and then BOOF! this shady looking thing pops on and stalls my browser for a few seconds...

      That's my opinion and like I said, if they work for you then that's great. But I won't ever be using them!
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      • Profile picture of the author cashcow
        Originally Posted by J.M.Wilson View Post

        Hi Lee

        As you can see from my post above, I fall into that category.

        And I want to concur with you that the reason I hate it is because of my presumptions. I do think "Oh dear, what crap is this now" when i see a pop up appear.

        However, the main problem I have with them is that they are intruding and just make me angry when I'm happily going in my own direction and then BOOF! this shady looking thing pops on and stalls my browser for a few seconds...

        That's my opinion and like I said, if they work for you then that's great. But I won't ever be using them!

        I totally see what you are saying and respect your opinion, but let me ask you this.... if the pop-up was not there, would you be signing up for the persons list or would you be just reading their content and leaving anyway?

        The reason I ask is because I think a lot of people that hate pop-ups might be in the mindset that they simply don't want to be on yet another list (I am in this group myself). Therefore, the person who is running the site with the pop-up probably could care less if it drives us off.

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        • Profile picture of the author J.M.Wilson
          Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

          I totally see what you are saying and respect your opinion, but let me ask you this.... if the pop-up was not there, would you be signing up for the persons list or would you be just reading their content and leaving anyway?

          The reason I ask is because I think a lot of people that hate pop-ups might be in the mindset that they simply don't want to be on yet another list (I am in this group myself). Therefore, the person who is running the site with the pop-up probably could care less if it drives us off.

          Lee
          I've no idea to be honest. If the site provided the content I was looking for and the offer to sign up for the list was enticing enough then I probably would, to be fair.

          In fact, I've NEVER signed up to a list via a pop up. I've signed up to plenty by just stumbling upon them in my "online travels."

          Now, as always, I'm not saying that you should do things one way or another... I'm just saying they irritate and anger me to the point where I want NOTHING else to do with that website.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      It kind of sounds like all the people that hate pop-ups are assuming that the pop-up offers some useless ebook or newsletter that no one in their right mind would ever want to sign up for.

      Sounds like no matter what offer popped up you would become disgruntled and hit the back button.

      I doubt you would sign up for the mailing list no matter how it was presented, right?

      I see it from a different point of view. I like to think that what I am offering in my pop-up is something the visitor really wants. I mean they came to my site looking for information on the topic and I have a really great ebook that gives them good information. I want to make sure they see that right away.

      Lee
      Strictly speaking from an organic search point of view, when I get to a website, and it is through a search engine, I have singled out the content I am after, and just as I am about to begin to read the content, my experience is interrupted, with what I consider to be unwanted content, since search engines do not index popups, I rather suspect it would be impossible to determine that the user wants that content, in fact I suspect the opposite, more so for organic traffic.

      If you are using GA, you can look at your stats and determine right away if it is really effective, sure you might get a few here and there, but how many are you loosing? That is the real question, one that I believe is likely apparent. To me, (and this is just my opinion) a pop up is for marketers that do not have good enough content to keep the readers attention for any length of time, so they us a popup to grab the readers attention, but what really happens is that once the reader is interrupted, you have psychologically interrupted their thought process, to demand their attention,

      Think of it this way, if you were at a restaurant, with ten of your best friends would you interrupt them and ask them if they wanted to join your mailing list while everyone was talking about how good the food was?

      No, that would be rude, right?

      There is no doubt, that psychological point of view what your doing is rude to most website visitors, except for the very few, that are not really interested in the content they came to see in the first place, or perhaps they are easily distracted, in which case they are usually just browsing around not really paying attention in the first place, I have been doing this stuff Internet Marketing for 15 plus years, I have seen and done it all.

      What works is good solid content, and an offer that meets the needs of the user, that is what works, interrupting and down right Rude, (hey look at me) stuff is a huge turn off, most of the time I am out of there, now what was I looking for in the first place, was it a product, was it an ebook, was it a video, you will never know, because I am already gone and looking at the search results, and luckily my browser shows your visited link in a easily recognized color so that I can avoid ever coming back to your website.

      That is what I find interesting, searching has become a game, of is this what I want, when I get to a site where there are flashing banners, every where, and very little text or a video that just spins around for ever, without presenting content, when I see that my time has been wasted by some grey hat or even black hat technique to get a higher index in the search engines, I am out of there.

      Often irritated, that I just gave up time out of my busy life and was rewarded with an advertisement, instead of the content I was searching for in the first place.

      I believe that this is a good solid psychological response that can be demonstrated time after time, with predictable results, the bottom line is this, do you make loads of money from an opt in or from an Ad, presented in this way, if the answer if yes I make thousands of dollars doing this then I guess you have to do it, but if the answer is no I do not make much money doing this then that too tells a story.

      Like the old story goes, you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Interesting points, Tim Franklin and J.M.Wilson - I actually agree with you both I've been around the block a few times and am very selective to the lists I sign up to. At this point in my career, I probably would not sign up to anything just because something popped up in my face but I might if I knew the marketer or was on the site actually looking for that offer.

    I do have pop-ups on two of my sites (in the IM niche) and I can say that signups have increased dramatically with them. BUT, the people coming to those sites are fairly new to IM. So I'm wondering if that plays a factor in it.

    One of the sites is actually a product site selling PLR so that might be a whole different ball of wax. People don't go there to read information, they go to buy PLR and the pop-up offers them a guide on how to make money with PLR plus some Free PLR articles. That's probably quite a bit different than an informational site, I guess.

    One of the things I am wondering is if it makes a difference at what "stage" you are in IM whether or not pop-ups are effective. I have noticed that a lot of marketing stuff like that "bugs" me now whereas it might not have earlier in my career.

    What do you guys think?

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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    i now always use exit pop ups... a best of both worlds option

    you get the increase in registrations or sales but dont interrupt the reader when they first get there.
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    • Profile picture of the author J.M.Wilson
      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      i now always use exit pop ups... a best of both worlds option

      you get the increase in registrations or sales but dont interrupt the reader when they first get there.
      I was just talking about something quite similar with one of your team... weird
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      • Profile picture of the author sonic74
        I don't like pop's up, either ! it turn's me off and I'm closing the site immediately.

        I like pop's down though, it's not so disturbing !
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Often irritated, that I just gave up time out of my busy life and was rewarded with an advertisement, instead of the content I was searching for in the first place.
    That is a selfish and self centered point of view that doesn't take into account the person and website who are providing that content to you. All you are concerned about is your time and your busy life.

    You want want want... but, what about the time that webmaster put into creating that content and making it available? Are they not entitled to some form of promotion or potential monetary return? It is after all, their site.

    I don't mean this to be a personal attack. I am simply pointing out what many people suffer from, entitlement.

    If every person who visited a site of mine was cool enough to click an adsense ad on their way out the door, I'd be happy camper and could eliminate nearly all advertising on a site. Unfortunately, this isn't the case.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    @jasonmorgan sorry if you were offended, but your post is off topic, and not productive to the forum, If you want to have a discussion privately, I would be happy to tell you just what I think of your post, but in reality, it is not important. The actual topic of this post is how popups effect the website visitor, I think that is a good topic to learn about.

    again sorry if my post upset you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Personally if a site interests me and I go there and those pop ups "pop up", I tend to close them more often than not without reading them.

    However here's another perspective.

    Firstly, that's just me and me alone is no way to gauge if everyone will do the same, so for me the only way to find out if they work is to test them. I won't not test something just because I find it distracting.

    Second, if the pop up has something that catches my eye and provides me with something ultimately worthwhile for me, I'll leave my details but it has to attract me in the first place.

    In the end, in all my marketing, it's not what I like that matters, it's what works.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    sorry if you were offended, but your post is off topic, and not productive to the forum, If you want to have a discussion privately, I would be happy to tell you just what I think of your post, but in reality, it is not important. The actual topic of this post is how popups effect the website visitor, I think that is a good topic to learn about.
    Like I said, It wasn't mean to be a personal attack against you. It was a commentary on peoples attitudes in general.

    And it has everything to do with this thread. The OP was actually just bitching about popups, not debating their value... that is something that came up in later posts.

    People are complaining about popups. They don't like them because it is an inconvenience and annoyance... it's a selfish attitude.

    The surfer doesn't care about the site or the webmaster, all they care about is getting what they want. To be fair, most webmasters only care about what is in the visitors wallet.

    However, most people who use popups will tell you that they do work regardless of how much people complain about them. Just like commercials on TV, nobody likes them but they haven't stopped watching TV either.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      In further elaboration of my point above where I wasn't actually bashing pop up's, it's just that I don't like them (which is frankly irrelevant because if they work for me I'll use them).

      I'd also like to point out if I do get one pop up on me, although I may close it without reading it I most certainly wouldn't not read what's on the site.

      Invariably that's why I was there in the first place.

      Annoying as some peple find them, they must work in a lot of cases otherwise we wouldn't see them, just like those irritating Nigerian "Lucky you, you're Uncles snuffed it and left you several million dollars" scams, that keep doing the rounds.

      They must be working.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by markowe View Post

        We had a thread about this recently. I don't mind the popup (lightbox type), I just can't fathom why the site owner thinks it will convert better if it appears with zero delay! (well, unless he's really tested it) That's just insane! I mean, I came to the site looking for an answer to something, not to fill in some form! I always, without exception, close these popups instantly, not so much out of indignation, just to get it out of my way ASAP, so I can continue looking for what I came for! Depends on the niche of course, but most research that I have seen indicates that popup optins convert best when the delays is upwards of 25s. aWeber has a statistic somewhere in their help, can't find it now. With a longer delay the visitor is more engaged with your content and there is also more chance that they are actually a decent lead rather than someone who didn't know how to close the optin!
        Tell me if I'm getting you here...

        You hate pop-ups that hinder you from getting the information you seek, right?

        What if the pop-up offered you something that might actually give you what you were looking for?

        My point is, people go off on the tactics they hate all the time. Many times, after a little probing, it turns out that it isn't the tactic itself they hate. It's poor or clumsy or heavy-handed misuse of the tactic.

        On a tangent, for someone further up who asked...

        Many times charities use the tactics they do because using more effective tactics would endanger their charity status. So they're pretty much left with various forms of begging...
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          Tell me if I'm getting you here...

          You hate pop-ups that hinder you from getting the information you seek, right?

          What if the pop-up offered you something that might actually give you what you were looking for?

          My point is, people go off on the tactics they hate all the time. Many times, after a little probing, it turns out that it isn't the tactic itself they hate. It's poor or clumsy or heavy-handed misuse of the tactic.

          On a tangent, for someone further up who asked...

          Many times charities use the tactics they do because using more effective tactics would endanger their charity status. So they're pretty much left with various forms of begging...
          Hello John,

          That was actually part of my original point. I find them mildly annoying but every now and then, I go to a site because I'm interested in something and the pop up actually has exactly what I'm looking for as an incentive for my details.

          Those pop ups are a god send, search over!

          Like I said earlier though, ones personal opinion is irrelevant as to whether one likes them or not. What matters is, do they work? Sometimes for me they have, others not. Point is, my opinion doesn't influence the results I get or whether I'm going to carry on using them.

          Test, test and test again.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            That is a selfish and self centered point of view that doesn't take into account the person and website who are providing that content to you. All you are concerned about is your time and your busy life.
            No, not selfish - that's a visitor's point of view. They DON'T worry about the person behind the web site and they don't care about your time - they care about THEIR time.

            The problem isn't a popup or no popup. There are times when a popup is welcomed by a visitor who wants more info.

            The common exit popups now were dissed a while back when they began appearing consistently - because they try to fool the visitor into staying on a site or viewing an upsell or discount.

            But - if you are using those popups you need to do enough testing to know if they discounted offers are hurting your full price sales. You'd be surprised how many visitors will now close a site to see if they will be offered a lower price:p

            Chances are your bounce rate will decrease if you have a delay before a popup when someone enters your site. I've visited many sites lately where I was interested in the site but found my interest wane when faced with an immediate popup that was difficult to close.

            I think marketers who are most successful using any popup ads or signups are the ones who have carefully analyzed the full visitor experience - and most don't bother to do that. The goal is to get as much from your own site as you can - but to do that you must PLEASE the visitor and timing of popups is critical to that.

            When using popups it's not enough to check the stats after adding the popup. You need to try a delay and an immediate popup. You need to retest occasionally to see if it's still getting the results you expect.

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  • Profile picture of the author trishworks4u
    actually, wtf I was thinking was that I was going to start using some pop-ups on a lot of my sites. I have a ton of them and think that I am missing some great opportunities there.

    Thanks for the discussion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ouroboros
    Everyone please bear in mind that my reference was to 'entrance' pop-ups that obscure your content. Personally I think that EXIT pop-ups are quite effective and I use them on all my sites where they are even remotely appropriate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
    I suspect I'm not the only one who has subscribed to a trillion lists using bogus info just to speed along the process AND tweak off/waste the time and resources of the offending marketer.

    Whoever owns the address go(do something inappropriate and probably impossible to)yourself@gmail dot com is subscribed to more lists than he can possibly know what to do with.
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    • Profile picture of the author markowe
      Originally Posted by Oxbloom View Post

      I suspect I'm not the only one who has subscribed to a trillion lists using bogus info just to speed along the process AND tweak off/waste the time and resources of the offending marketer.

      Whoever owns the address go(do something inappropriate and probably impossible to)yourself@gmail dot com is subscribed to more lists than he can possibly know what to do with.


      Had to reread that one a few times

      You think he opts into them all?
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
      Originally Posted by Oxbloom View Post

      I suspect I'm not the only one who has subscribed to a trillion lists using bogus info just to speed along the process AND tweak off/waste the time and resources of the offending marketer.

      Whoever owns the address go(do something inappropriate and probably impossible to)yourself@gmail dot com is subscribed to more lists than he can possibly know what to do with.
      Then you should have your internet access taken away from you, all you did was clog up the mailing system for everyone.

      Your a menace
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      • Profile picture of the author PhoebeSmellyCat
        One pop up is bad enough but there are some reaaaally dumb sites that demand you opt in each time you visit.

        There is one site that I want to frequent but I would have to opt in every single time. I did so three times and now I get three times the email from them.

        I don't visit anymore.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by PhoebeSmellyCat View Post

          One pop up is bad enough but there are some reaaaally dumb sites that demand you opt in each time you visit.

          There is one site that I want to frequent but I would have to opt in every single time. I did so three times and now I get three times the email from them.

          I don't visit anymore.
          That's not the pop-up's fault. That's an incompetent webmaster...
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          • Profile picture of the author PhoebeSmellyCat
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            That's not the pop-up's fault. That's an incompetent webmaster...
            Yeah, you're right.

            It's a pretty long standing website (not IM related) so you'd think they'd get a better webmaster...
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    Now that you mentioned it I still haven't tried exit pop ups. Seriously there is something really annoying on entrance pop-ups but if the people already got what they want from your site I dont think it will still be a big deal if they opt-in to your list or consider any of your pop up offer.

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