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I'm considering getting out of IM

by Andyhenry
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Hi Warriors,

More and more I've been losing my interest in IM stuff. I have a technical background so I used to like explaining techy stuff to people - there's now tons of that information available in many ways for IM.

I used to care a lot about making money and that drove me to learn about it - I now don't care much about it and that motivation has gone.

I like helping people, so I've spent a lot of time helping others in whatever ways I can - It seems that nowadays there are so many Gurus that people just want to argue with your advice and use what they heard elsewhere as the justification - they don't actually follow either type of advice.

I like meeting interesting people - that side of things is still good and I like meeting up with friends at seminars and get-togethers.

I like talking about IM and brainstorming - I still do that but I have a small group of people that I trust who I talk about it with, so it's not so much of a public thing as it used to be for me.


It seems that many people prefer the feeling of wanting success more than they want to do what's necessary to get it.

So, I'm now thinking that my usefulness in the IM niche has run its course and I should stop wasting my time talking about it - and just do it for myself.

I'll still keep my list and my personal clients and respond to what they want, but just stop spending time on the generalised public forum stuff.

I think Twitter has enabled this too, since anyone who wants to communicate with me and that I want to keep up with can do it using twitter.

So, I'm thinking that when I get back to the UK for Xmas I might have an IM 'clear out' and just do my own thing and maybe run a few seminars with IM friends to keep up with people and still help get what's working 'out there', but drop out of the public side of IM. I have a lot of things I like doing and IM has helped get me to where I am but the focus on money doesn't feel great to me anymore and I'm thinking I could spend my time better doing other things, like learn and play more music.


Is this a phase that you've gone through before? or has the appeal of IM just gone for me only?

Andy
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    Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    More and more I've been losing my interest in IM stuff. I have a technical background so I used to like explaining techy stuff to people - there's now tons of that information available in many ways for IM.

    I used to care a lot about making money and that drove me to learn about it - I now don't care much about it and that motivation has gone.

    I like helping people, so I've spent a lot of time helping others in whatever ways I can - It seems that nowadays there are so many Gurus that people just want to argue with your advice and use what they heard elsewhere as the justification - they don't actually follow either type of advice.

    I like meeting interesting people - that side of things is still good and I like meeting up with friends at seminars and get-togethers.

    I like talking about IM and brainstorming - I still do that but I have a small group of people that I trust who I talk about it with, so it's not so much of a public thing as it used to be for me.


    It seems that many people prefer the feeling of wanting success more than they want to do what's necessary to get it.

    So, I'm now thinking that my usefulness in the IM niche has run its course and I should stop wasting my time talking about it - and just do it for myself.

    I'll still keep my list and my personal clients and respond to what they want, but just stop spending time on the generalised public forum stuff.

    I think Twitter has enabled this too, since anyone who wants to communicate with me and that I want to keep up with can do it using twitter.

    So, I'm thinking that when I get back to the UK for Xmas I might have an IM 'clear out' and just do my own thing and maybe run a few seminars with IM friends to keep up with people and still help get what's working 'out there', but drop out of the public side of IM. I have a lot of things I like doing and IM has helped get me to where I am but the focus on money doesn't feel great to me anymore and I'm thinking I could spend my time better doing other things, like learn and play more music.


    Is this a phase that you've gone through before? or has the appeal of IM just gone for me only?

    Andy
    Man, I've been burnt out on IM myself over the past few days. Maybe it's just the holidays, but all I want to do besides spend time with my fiancee and family is sit around and record music.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

      Man, I've been burnt out on IM myself over the past few days. Maybe it's just the holidays, but all I want to do besides spend time with my fiancee and family is sit around and record music.
      That's exactly how I feel.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I don't know, I must really love what I do. This January I'll be starting my
      7th year of marketing online and I can't imagine doing anything else.

      Guess time will tell.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I don't know, I must really love what I do. This January I'll be starting my
        7th year of marketing online and I can't imagine doing anything else.

        Guess time will tell.
        I felt like that after doing it for 7 years too - but I was still focused on the money at that point. Now I have a different outlook on life and I'm definitely looking to do more music and more charity and fund raising work.

        Perhaps it's because I'm single now - When I was married I was just focused on creating a future for the family, now I only have myself to plan for and I don't really need anything, my focus has shifted.

        Andy
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        • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
          Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

          I felt like that after doing it for 7 years too - but I was still focused on the money at that point. Now I have a different outlook on life and I'm definitely looking to do more music and more charity and fund raising work.

          Perhaps it's because I'm single now - When I was married I was just focused on creating a future for the family, now I only have myself to plan for and I don't really need anything, my focus has shifted.

          Andy
          I'm still motivated with providing future security for my family, but I imagine I'll have your attitude one day. ...My ultimate goal is to make a few million and retire living a modest lifestyle.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

            I'm still motivated with providing future security for my family, but I imagine I'll have your attitude one day. ...My ultimate goal is to make a few million and retire living a modest lifestyle.
            Jason, you say you want to retire, and that's great. I know many folks who
            love the retired lifestyle.

            But if I had all the money I could possibly want, I'd still be doing this. Maybe
            I wouldn't work as many hours and spend a little more time on my music, but
            I can only write songs so many hours in the day. Eventually, I actually get
            tired of doing it.

            I'd probably set up an authority IM site with all the info you could want and
            charge a very nominal fee for it. I'd outsource a lot of the content and
            spend my time interacting with the members at the forum, kind of like what
            I am doing here.

            That would be my ideal day. I could never just give this up and it has
            nothing to do with the money. This has been the most enjoyable thing for
            me that I can think of in my whole life. The people I've met online, the
            friends I've made. That's what it's about.

            Maybe I'm just weird.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ronnie Nijmeh
          Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

          Perhaps it's because I'm single now - When I was married I was just focused on creating a future for the family, now I only have myself to plan for and I don't really need anything, my focus has shifted.

          Andy

          That'll definitely changes what you do and your purpose in doing it. There's a lot of joy in providing for a family, just as there's joy in charitable works and other passions. It's a good thing to be able to pursue your passions and dreams!
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        • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
          Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

          I felt like that after doing it for 7 years too - but I was still focused on the money at that point. Now I have a different outlook on life and I'm definitely looking to do more music and more charity and fund raising work.

          Perhaps it's because I'm single now - When I was married I was just focused on creating a future for the family, now I only have myself to plan for and I don't really need anything, my focus has shifted.

          Andy
          I really admire your perspective. There are many who would just stay doing the same old, same old simply out of fear of not continuing to make money. The fact that you are willing to walk away to pursue charity, etc... says much about your character.
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          • Profile picture of the author lisa mesa
            It sounds like you are looking for something that business cannot provide. Even if you get into a new/different business you´ll end up in the same place a few years from now.

            There may be something you really want outside of business but don´t talk about publicly because you have lost hope. You need to face that and go and get it.

            Then, business will fit in its rightful place as a part of life not the primary focus of your time.
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      • Profile picture of the author zerofill
        It's like anything...you get burned out and eventually a fire will get lit under your behind and you will be at it again hehe...

        I have burned myself out several times over the years on various things...
        But the things you really love...you will be back at them again at some point.

        So if IM was something you were really passionate about...Don't think that you will get away from it for good hehe...
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        • Profile picture of the author jonb
          If IM becomes your job in and of itself, I can see how that would get old real quick. To me, IM is simply the method I use to build a business around things that I find fascinating.

          I know lots of folks do things like flipping domain names, and starting dozens of websites purely for the purpose of moving affiliate stuff. That's fine, because they're obviously fascinated by it. To me, it would be dreadfully boring, because there's no core there of anything I really care about.

          So perhaps it's time to stop thinking of yourself as an internet marketer and start viewing yourself as an evangelist for whatever it is that moves you, and simply use IM as the engine to make your passionate efforts successful.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I don't know, I must really love what I do. This January I'll be starting my
        7th year of marketing online and I can't imagine doing anything else.

        Guess time will tell.
        I'm in full agreement with Wags. I love what I do. Now that I'm in IM, I can't imagine doing anything else.

        I got sick of construction and dealing with useless employees who call in sick the day you're in a deadline rush, suppliers who can't deliver materials on time, and real estate companies that go bankrupt just before they pay you the $10K-20K they owe you.

        I can't imagine getting sick of working in my sunny home office, with Rieko bringing me tea. No complaints from neighbours because our nailguns are too loud or one of my workers isn't wearing a shirt. No complaints from nearby businesses because my lumber truck blocked their access for 20 minutes. No typhoons, rainy season, or other crappy weather to deal with. No bruises, cuts, or aching back.

        Yup. I know what I'm doing for the rest of my life. I've done the tough stuff, I've had the businesses that gave me stress, and I've lost my shirt. No danger of that here.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I don't know, I must really love what I do. This January I'll be starting my
        7th year of marketing online and I can't imagine doing anything else.

        Guess time will tell.
        I was surprised to to see you post that and then post on your blog that you're on your last IM project and will be getting out of IM next year.

        Not sure what all that means.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    I believe that the main reason why we want to do IM is because we want more time to do other things that we REALLY WANT TO DO.

    However, we get too much things to do in IM that we seem to turn IM into another JOB.
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  • Profile picture of the author J.Knight
    Andy dude... what you're experiencing is inevitable for anyone who is a creative forward-thinker, who thrives on the challenge and gets their kick out of achievement.

    'Making money' via IM is no longer an achievement for you buddy, it's just a matter of process.

    It's simple, you just need a fresh challenge. A new focus.

    You're already heading that way with your discontentment. What you need to do is simply embrace that, and not see it as a negative thing.

    It's time for you my friend, to extend your borders and regain a sense of achievement from doing something which is challenging to you.

    Who knows, maybe you'll return to what you have been doing. But for now, one way or another, you need to either embrace a new vision, or do something which will rekindle your love for what you have been doing.

    Pressing on,

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  • Profile picture of the author chris_surfrider
    I think there's a certain psychological "rythm" to our interests, passions, goals and so on.

    Things come and go. Sometimes they shift (or more likely - the actual core "thing" simply takes a different form).

    Even on a daily basis, there's times where we're "in the zone" and times when we're not.

    So I think what you're feeling is natural.

    One thing I really miss is daily interaction with people. I'd like to, at some point, combine IM with "real" business and build more of a tangible business. Try and do the best of both worlds.

    But anyway - I can relate. I hear ya.

    Money loses its shine when having "more" simply translates into a matter of bragging rights or a number in an account - rather than an actual improvement in your lifestyle.

    (And I've noticed that once you pass a certain point, money can't be your motivation... because its impact is no longer felt).

    I guess you, me and everyone else needs to ask themselves what really makes them "come alive", and then do that.

    Having a "bucket list" couldn't hurt, either :-)

    Beyond that - who the hell knows?

    I wish I was 18 again.

    I had all the answers back then...

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    • Profile picture of the author TKO
      Gday Andy, maybe you just need a break. Don't give it away completely because it is obvious through many posts that you know what your doing. Maybe travel the world to recharge the batteries while doing IM part time. Either way, hope you remain here at the forum. Thomas.
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      • Profile picture of the author T.I.M.
        Hey Andy as an IM noob who's been lurking a bit, this post sucked to see in the title. But when I read what you were saying I seen a few natural human feelings come into place. Also, thank you for this post as well as being a straight shooter LOL.

        I see you're in Singapore (beautiful there?) & returning to UK for holiday. That may be just what you need to recharge your batteries & clear the cobwebs as we get stuck in routine, it gets boring fast.

        It seems you have the natural tendencies of a human to to truly want to contribute & learn. Ultimately when I achieve a nice yearly income via stream of income or lottery etc. I will donate time to help others & learn new things that fascinate me. The American dream of retiring & being a couch potato appeals to me 0%.

        Maybe getting out of the public/training stuff is what you need & just get back to the basics so to speak & do what you need to do to automate as much income as you can so you can spend more time doing things you enjoy w/o feeling guilty about it. And maybe this will make you more passionate about helping others again or maybe you will find you enjoy helping others in ways other than IM ways.

        Just my 3 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author Magic Johnson
    Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

    I like helping people, so I've spent a lot of time helping others in whatever ways I can - It seems that nowadays there are so many Gurus that people just want to argue with your advice and use what they heard elsewhere as the justification - they don't actually follow either type of advice.

    Andy
    Yes, I know the feelings. Something I've learned by just watching and studying over here and other boards. It's recognizing those who give a way true lifelong nuggets. And those who give away a lot of fluff with promises and vague claims. (or just dont have any experience)

    It's very frustration when you know 80% will fall for the flashy cash instead of from someone who have walked the walk, or knows what they talking about. Maybe it's just part of the structure of life, but it's sadden how much hype and false-facts there is to confuse people.

    Just like the $7 $17 $27 in the IM, we have all kinds of bogus stuff and beliefs in mainstream.

    I think you should just move on Andy. I know you share very valueable advice, and it's hard to feel good about yourself I guess, when 80% want to hear about $ and how much they can make in a day. Either that or they drop Guru bombs to argue against you.

    You skip the fuzz and get in to great details and complicity, most people just dont want to listen to you then.

    Have a good day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Bogowski
    This post is no different to a newbie coming into the forum and saying that they know how to do everything but cant get the motivation to move forward with it.

    What would you say to them?

    Figure the answer out and then use it to kick your own butt into gear. If you are in a financial position to sit around on your butt and play guitar all day and thats what you want to do then the answer is simple.

    Shut up and do it
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by Mike Benkovich View Post

      This post is no different to a newbie coming into the forum and saying that they know how to do everything but cant get the motivation to move forward with it.

      What would you say to them?

      Figure the answer out and then use it to kick your own butt into gear. If you are in a financial position to sit around on your butt and play guitar all day and thats what you want to do then the answer is simple.

      Shut up and do it
      That's an interesting perspective.

      My problem isn't that I can't be motivated, it's just that doing IM for IM sake isn't doing it. I know how to make money but I don't care about it so that's not motivation anymore.
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      • Profile picture of the author J.Knight
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        I know how to make money but I don't care about it so that's not motivation anymore.
        How about I pay you to make money for me?

        At the end of the month, I'll give you 50% (negotiable) of what you've earned.

        I'm willing to take the risk if you are!

        JK
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      Originally Posted by Mike Benkovich View Post

      This post is no different to a newbie coming into the forum and saying that they know how to do everything but cant get the motivation to move forward with it.
      It seems the opposite to me. I don't think Andy is struggling to make ends meet or begging for help here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Thanks for the replies.

    I can understand where the people who love IM and think they'll do it forever are coming from - I felt like that a few years ago. I don't think you can un-learn this stuff so I imagine I'll be doing IM to support other things rather than doing IM just for the sake of it or just for money.

    The fact that the techonology changes and it's interesting will probably mean I keep my finger on the pulse, just not looking at IM as a business in itself but just a mechanism for using on business.

    As for the comments about doing some traveling - that's what I've been doing - and probably partly to do with why I'm not sure spending my time doing IM is the most fulfilling use.

    Perhaps after a long Xmas break I'll feel differently, I might even start just focusing on my software company and keep that focus for a while.

    I haven't decided yet, and I haven't decided even where I'll live next year.

    Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    Andy,

    My advice is to do what I did... take a couple years off (I've been building websites & making money exclusively online since 1997 and I did need a change of pace... it was definitely getting old for me)

    Get a manual labor job(s) like I did as a construction worker, doing mainly roofing, & carpentry, during the summers, then as a snowmaker during the winters...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...t-vermont.html

    Trust me... these are the toughest jobs I have ever had, they have entirely kicked my ass the past couple years, and it made me appreciate sitting in my comfy chair in front of my computer...

    Get a 'real' manual labor job and you will think twice about quitting IM... unless you have already earned enough money for the rest of your life... if so, than hell yea quit and go retire on some warm island!!!

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Making money and more money is only important if it is a goal for you. If you've achieved it - or have reached the point where it is not your main focus, maybe it's time to move to something else more fulfilling to you personally.

      Helping new marketers is a challenge but can also become frustrating. There are many charities and people you can help that have nothing to do with the IM niche and you might find that typ0e of "giving" more rewarding personally.

      Do what feels right for you and enriches your life - it's the only life you have! Live it your way.

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  • Profile picture of the author Harold Hsu
    Hi Andy,

    Thanks for the thought-provoking post.

    There are a lot of other things I'd like to dedicate the rest of my life to - such as playing the guitar and making a movie, amongst other things.

    I'm glad that you're able to actually make that choice instead of having to just dream about it (like the most of us here in the forum do). I'm planning to get there in a few years, but for now, I'll just have to keep working my ass off.

    As someone who cares, I would humbly suggest that you just go ahead and do whatever it is that fulfills you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark McClure
    @Andy - that's why teachers get long holidays - they need to recharge away from the little ruffians ;-)

    Why not write a book or two - the UK's answer to that 4 hour work week guy?
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by justfiverules View Post

      @Andy - that's why teachers get long holidays - they need to recharge away from the little ruffians ;-)

      Why not write a book or two - the UK's answer to that 4 hour work week guy?
      Funny - I actually considered that, but on my travels I've heard lots of people with negative opinions on Tims book. It's pretty much exactly what my current lifestyle is, but even with that some people seem to think it's not possible and I hear them bitching about his book.

      I'd need to write it with a complete non-focus on what anyone thought about it in order to think it was worth doing

      I can be really productive, I just need the reason to be more in-line with my core values these days than in the past when I would happily do things just because they were interesting and made money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Taylor
    Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini View Post


    Get a 'real' manual labor job and you will think twice about quitting IM... unless you have already earned enough money for the rest of your life... if so, than hell yea quit and go retire on some warm island!!!
    Now that's an alien thought to me..."enough money".

    How much money is enough?

    Just a bit more...
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  • Profile picture of the author Habitat
    Meh, it's a challenge to me. You're probably 100x ahead of many of us. I'm still getting my feet wet. Something productive to do while on the PC.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    I feel the same way about Adsense. The money will will keep coming in. But I'm bored. I won't leave it, but it may be time to master a another facet of IM along with it. There are many. Maybe a hugely successful product of your own.

    Maybe find another part of IM that's new and exhilarating for you, so you can enjoy it again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      I feel the same way about Adsense. The money will keep coming in for a long time. But I'm bored. I won't leave it, but it may be time to master a another facet of IM along with it. There are many. Maybe my own product.

      Maybe just find another part of IM that's new and exhilarating for you, so you can enjoy it again. You can't have mastered them all.
      Is that the answer though? What's so important about IM that I should be trying to find a way to follow my passions and also still be doing IM?

      I've been thinking that sometimes I'd rather be happily making a rocking horse for a child and living a meager lifestyle than flying around doing stuff for the money.

      I'm sure there's a balance which includes creating revenue without much focus on it, but for me it's more about getting my core time-consuming activities in-line with my core values, than just trying to fit in my passions within an IM framework.

      Maybe I'll chill out even more over Xmas and decide something completely different - that's the beauty of life, you can always change your mind.
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          • Profile picture of the author OnlineMasterMind
            I think you should quit. It's obvious you're not passion about it anymore. And IMO life is too damn short to spend a minute doing something you're not passionate about.

            And truly successful people NEVER retire. (and I'm not just talking about money)

            Good Luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author nikhilg
    Hi Andy,

    I personally have gone into IM to make money. If I did not have to worry about money then I would spend all my time reading the classics of literature or philosophy or the like.. I love reading.

    You seem to have a lot of knowledge and we will certainly miss you at the forums. But pursue your passions - do what you enjoy doing. If you do not need to worry about the rent or food on the table then it is best that you spend your spare time doing what you enjoy.

    All the best and hope you have a good time and a great life.

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  • Profile picture of the author Richelo Killian
    Hey Andy,

    You know better than most that DOING IM, and being in the IM niche are 2 totally different things.

    DOING IM, is just USING IM to generate money out of all kinds of niches.

    BEING in the IM niche on the other hand is actually producing products and/or services for the IM niche.

    I know you know this, but, thought I would hi-lite again for people not so sure....

    That being said......

    BEING in the IM niche today, requires and almost rock star status. IM as a niche has become all about who you are, and how "popular" you are. This is all done by being in the public face all the time, especially on forums, and at live events.

    I know you know this, as you have been doing all of this, and have that public face!

    Now, you talk about getting out of the public face. Well, the ONLY thing that will change for YOU, is that you will not be IN IM anymore, but rather USING IM.

    For you I don't think much will change! For the rest of us..... We will lose a valuable person, who is always 100% honest, never afraid to say it like it is, and just one of the nicest, most likeable people IN IM today!

    Whatever you decide, not only do I know you will make a success of it, but, I know you will be happy!

    I wish you all the best of luck with whatever you decide to do my friend!
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  • Profile picture of the author milan
    Ok, let me try to sell you on IM

    I see from this post that you're (still) quite passionate about IM. You're passionate about doing it and even more about teaching it to others.

    You're considering getting out of it because (too) many people are just dreamers. Your advice to them doesn't do effectively nothing on their path. They get carried away by "something they've heard" etc. So, you don't want to spend much time talking to THOSE people anymore. That's it! (although, to be honest that must be like more than 90% of the people on a public forum).

    You just need to attract the people you want to hang out with, as your customers, for example. Just like niche marketing.

    I think Frank Kern is a very good example of what you're going through right now. He said he didn't really like his customers back then when he was selling $30 books on how to make money online. He hated every email because he knew it's going to be a stupid kind of problem. He retired from teaching IM, spent all his time on his niche sites. Now he teaches IM but he loves his customers. He doesn't sell $30 IM books though, that's partly the reason why he attracts a different kind of customers now. He's happy to call his customers cool people now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Magic Johnson
      Originally Posted by milan View Post

      Ok, let me try to sell you on IM

      I see from this post that you're (still) quite passionate about IM. You're passionate about doing it and even more about teaching it to others.

      You're considering getting out of it because (too) many people are just dreamers. Your advice to them doesn't do effectively nothing on their path. They get carried away by "something they've heard" etc. So, you don't want to spend much time talking to THOSE people anymore. That's it! (although, to be honest that must be like more than 90% of the people on a public forum).

      You just need to attract the people you want to hang out with, as your customers, for example. Just like niche marketing.

      I think Frank Kern is a very good example of what you're going through right now. He said he didn't really like his customers back then when he was selling $30 books on how to make money online. He hated every email because he knew it's going to be a stupid kind of problem. He retired from teaching IM, spent all his time on his niche sites. Now he teaches IM but he loves his customers. He doesn't sell $30 IM books though, that's partly the reason why he attracts a different kind of customers now. He's happy to call his customers cool people now.
      I think this summed it up quite brilliantly.
      So if you can make mathematics at Einsteins level, do it!

      No need to fool yourself in to holding hand with people who don't understand you, or aint at your own level of knowledge.

      Just raise the bar, step it up one notch. And don't feel bad about letting other people down.

      It's all like a foodchain anyways.
      Someone else will take your place after all.
      So do as you please.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alican Yenidogan
    Andy,

    What you say sounds like, "I have the super powers to save the world, end the global warming but I don't feel like doing it".

    Come on man, there are millions of people who wish to be in your shoes, make money, have your knowledge and they would pay $$$$ for that knowledge.

    Think it this way, an 18 year old boy comes to this forum for the first time, planning to make some money, learn something, anything about IM. He reads this topic and sees that a good Warrior, a money making warrior is just BORED, doesn't have the motivation but he has everything else, knowledge, skills etc so he opens a topic and says how bored he is from making $$. He decides to leave the forum and never comes back. Maybe he was going to be a millionaire who knows, but one thing for sure, he won't be any more ..

    Slap yourself in the face and wake up man.

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    • Profile picture of the author pink sapphire
      Andy, you are way ahead of me in terms of IM knowlege, experience and results, but I can understand where you're coming from. It's natural for peoples' interests and motivations to change and evolve as time goes on. Maybe you just need a break, or maybe it's time to move on beyond IM altogether. If you can afford to do that, why not? I think that sometimes people get their entire identities caught up with what they do - and there's nothing wrong with that if they're happy, but it doesn't have to be that way. If you think you'll find more fulfillment playing music, or making rocking horses or whatever, then do that. You might find that you miss IM, in which case you can return, or you might be happier without it. And it's ok not to know for sure what path you want to take right now - in my experience, things usually just become clear by themselves after a period of uncertainty, if I can get out the way & relax into that 'not knowing'.

      Personally - I like IM a lot. I very much enjoy building sites, researching niches, writing content that helps people and all the rest of it. But it's not my big passion in life, and if I wasn't motivated by the money, I'd be spending my time playing and writing music and pursuing other my creative activities too. I'd probably keep a few sites going for fun, but I'd cut right back on the hours I put into it. And that's what I plan to do a few years down the line when I can afford to do so, because IM is a means to an end for me, not an end in itself. It almost feels like a heresy to admit it around here sometimes, but there's more to life than IM.

      And ignore those who seem to think that you have some kind of duty to teach or inspire others, and that you shouldn't even be discussing this. It's nice to help others, but if your heart is elsewhere, you have to be true to yourself. You can't live your life for other people.
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  • Profile picture of the author godisgood
    Hi,

    Maybe you just need to take a rest for a while. Every Internet Marketer does understand what you're going through but that is not a valid reason to totally shut out IM. Find out the core value of why are you doing this, is it just for the money? No i don't think so. You said you like helping people right. Some people may not agree on your advices but many others do appreciate that. You don't know the countless internet marketers that has taken your advice and countless of families that you unknowingly help becuase of your advices.

    I believe that we are all doing this not just for the money but money does help a lot so that we will all have the opportunity to help others too to make this world a better place.

    We need someone like you becuase you have a heart to help other people!
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  • Profile picture of the author Louis Raven
    Hi Andy,

    I still have yet to meet you man and hear your seminars ARE the seminars lol!! I remember you helping me back in the day before I knew what HTML was

    There's only so much you can get out of one thing and to be honest, if you're burned of IM then you've to move forward.

    I mean you don't want to look back and think, oh I wish I see this, oh I wish I had learned that etc..

    You know what skills you have, Is it that you're too advanced for IM and subconsciously seek more of a challenge?

    If you know everything, there's people out there looking for the ultimate shortcut with a personal mentor and are willing to pay $8000+ to save 3 years of solo learning.

    I don't know, at least you're healthy and have the option my friend.

    Good luck,

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  • Profile picture of the author Asher
    Hi Andy,

    A lot of great replies here and I think the general consensus is
    to follow your heart and do what you think is right.

    Not because you're giving up, but because money is no longer
    what you want to achieve. You just need to find your "why"
    again - that's all.

    I had the privilege of meeting up with you in real life and am
    glad that I was able to do so. I wish you all the best in your
    future endeavors... No matter what your choice will be.

    Keep in touch (follow me back in Twitter already?)

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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      Andy

      Why not combine a teensy weensy bit of IM with your desire for travelling and learning music?

      Remember when Paul Simon did some travel/research for his Graceland album?

      Travel to different countries, spend a month in each one meeting musicians and learning to play a local instrument. Film your experiences and put them on www dot andysworldofmusic dot com
      Or even, if you are going to pay your own expenses, why not approach the BBC and ask them for the use of a decent camera (the satellite ones that you can edit on and send back video to London immediately)?

      Now there's a challenge - documentary making + travel + learning music + IM. You could give back to the local musicians by showing them how to market their music online and then have a link to their sites from your authority site.

      You already have a volunteer cameraman (some guy from Scotland called John ).

      Whatever you decide, the best of luck, and if you do decide to fade away from here, thank you from my heart for all the generous help you have given the WF and me personally.

      Martin
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Andy Henry "The man I hate and love" :-)

    Seriously, long time ago I reached my financial goals and went through the same thing that you described. I asked myself "When I wake up everyday what do I want to do that motivates me?" I knew what it was.

    I consulted a life coach and later a business planner. The coach really opened my mind to a new lifestyle and a new mindset. The planner was a different story.

    Jeffery 100% :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author David_Thompson
    Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    It seems that many people prefer the feeling of wanting success more than they want to do what's necessary to get it.

    Andy
    Andy this one statement just made my day...it is so true and it is the biggest
    reason why so many fail time and time again.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
      Originally Posted by David_Thompson View Post

      Andy this one statement just made my day...it is so true and it is the biggest
      reason why so many fail time and time again.

      --David
      And sometimes they spend too much time online reading, and reading, and reading that they are too worne out physically and mentally to "do it." I see that a lot among people who have a full-time day job and only a few hours a week to pursue an interest in Internet Marketing.

      To remain OT I feel Andy needs a sit down with a life coach. He is a good guy and deserves good things.

      Jeffery 100% :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author jacstone193
        I know what you mean - and the present climate is really miserable - perhaps you need a holiday !
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post


        To remain OT I feel Andy needs a sit down with a life coach. He is a good guy and deserves good things.

        Jeffery 100% :-)
        Hi jeffery

        I've actually been seeing a couple of life coaches over the last couple of months. I'm a trained coach myself but I always use other coaches too, so I think you're right and I've already started that path - good call
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  • Profile picture of the author wsbmllc
    I feel your pain Andy!

    I just took of about 3 months. I barely checked emails, maybe twice a week. I work a full time job besides the IM stuff, so I was spent. 4-5 times out of the week when I got home I never even turned on the computer. And you know, it was actually nice.

    I actually read a few more books, spent more time with the family, etc ....

    I don't think I will ever get back to the "gotta get this done right now" complex I had with IM. But the one nice thing was I received that weekly payment from Clickbank, and it even increased. And I was not even marketing it.

    So, maybe it gets back to how the IM business is structured.

    Who knows ......

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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    Andy, here's my advice to you. Take everything that can be outsourced and do it. Get a crew of VAs to run the day to day ops. Then, completely rest and relax. Take out a blank sheet of paper and write down your dreams and aspirations. Include the ones from your childhood. Did you achieve those dreams? Are they still valid? If they are, then you have a new path to follow. Leave your current path behind for a while. We'll still be here when you get back, IF you get back

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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      Andy, here's my advice to you. Take everything that can be outsourced and do it. Get a crew of VAs to run the day to day ops. Then, completely rest and relax. Take out a blank sheet of paper and write down your dreams and aspirations. Include the ones from your childhood. Did you achieve those dreams? Are they still valid? If they are, then you have a new path to follow. Leave your current path behind for a while. We'll still be here when you get back, IF you get back

      TomG.
      Good advice Tom,

      I've actually been doing exactly that for a while now - especially the dreams and aspirations bit. I've actually done most things I dreamed of and the remaining ones are biggies so they'll be fun
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        Good advice Tom,

        I've actually been doing exactly that for a while now - especially the dreams and aspirations bit. I've actually done most things I dreamed of and the remaining ones are biggies so they'll be fun
        Hey Andy, this is gonna sound totally out of left field, but if you ever
        want to talk...I'm here. Just PM me and I'll throw on my Skype. I have to
        keep it turned offline because I have a rabid fan club that skypes me
        constantly and I never get anything done.

        Anyway, two ears...no waiting.
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  • Profile picture of the author John S. Rhodes
    I'm not sure that I "love internet marketing" but I love using the tools, technology, and systems. I love providing value. I love having my own business. Internet Marketing if viewed as make money online will very likely burn me out, but not yet. Not for a long time. Too much fun!

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  • Profile picture of the author I.M.Retired
    Andy - Your post is very timely. I've been online since 1997 - first on eBay and then doing web site design, domain buying and selling and website flipping. It's been fun, but now my husband and I are really wanting to 'retire from it all' and just go back to being 'non internet' folks.

    Must be something in the air these days. Or perhaps its more a case of 'been there, seen that, done that, bought the tee-shirt, washed the car with it!' Right about now I feel as if I've washed more than my fair share of cars....!
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  • Profile picture of the author Hugh
    "Business is just a game----money is how you keep score."
    Can't remember who said it. But I sure love playing the game.
    Online AND offline.

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    • Profile picture of the author RexX
      Hi Andy,

      Sorry to hear you sounding down.

      My take on this is that we need variety and challenge in life and a sense of purpose and contribution.

      I think meaning and contribution become more significant once we've achieved a comfortable lifestyle. Those resources also give us the opportunity to follow passions and make a more significant contribution.

      I'd suggest finding a way to contribute, perhaps getting involved with a charity or teaching (which you'd be great at). Do all the things you are passionate about but have never round to.

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  • Profile picture of the author bobcath
    Andy

    The only decision you need to make just now, is NOT to make any decision!

    Just have a break and see how you FEEL afterwards!

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  • Profile picture of the author GoWeb
    If you put a ton of hours into IM without seeing results (cash & traffic), it's easy to get burned out. Many people quit because of trying and trying and seeing nothing signicant happen. If you are lucky enough to develop one or more "popular" sites, that's where the fun is. I started doing this back in 1993 and one thing has remained constant: popularity=money.
    Buying product after product after product and buying into every secret that comes out, at least one every month, can, indeed burn one out.
    Reminds me of the old IM veterans that came online, built ONE popular site and who are making thousands every month out of ONE site. Can't get burned out on that. Others have built thousands of sites and are broke and burned out.
    It's good to get away from the computer for a couple of weeks and do anything but I'M. When you come back more relaxed, you will have fresh ideas.
    Andy, I just noticed you have made over 4700 posts here. No wonder you're burned out, bud! I only have 6 posts and I'm already tired.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by GoWeb View Post

      If you put a ton of hours into IM without seeing results (cash & traffic), it's easy to get burned out. Many people quit because of trying and trying and seeing nothing signicant happen. If you are lucky enough to develop one or more "popular" sites, that's where the fun is. I started doing this back in 1993 and one thing has remained constant: popularity=money.
      Buying product after product after product and buying into every secret that comes out, at least one every month, can, indeed burn one out.
      Reminds me of the old IM veterans that came online, built ONE popular site and who are making thousands every month out of ONE site. Can't get burned out on that. Others have built thousands of sites and are broke and burned out.
      It's good to get away from the computer for a couple of weeks and do anything but I'M. When you come back more relaxed, you will have fresh ideas.
      Andy, I just noticed you have made over 4700 posts here. No wonder you're burned out, bud! I only have 6 posts and I'm already tired.
      Making money, having ideas etc. is not the problem - I'm not "burned out", I still have a lot of enthusiasm - I'm just questioning whether it should be for IM related activities since I've got to the point where everything to do with IM is just a mechanism to be used in certain situations - It's got to the point where I don't feel like it's necessarily a valuable way to spend my time. The only reason for it is to make money and I'm not feeling that's a good enough reason if I could be doing more rewarding things instead.

      When I started in IM I was desperate for money and I put a lot of importance on physical possessions and money.

      Obviously there's always some level of benefit from making decent money, so I'm not saying I don't want to make money - just that I'm looking at whether doing IM stuff for the sake of the money is not motivating me. I have other things I can do that are more rewarding, so I'm asking myself if I would be better off refocusing my efforts so that I'm getting more fulfillment from my time rather than having so much of it focused on doing things that make money.

      I'm sure I'll still do IM - just not for the sake of making money for myself, but to help build/promote worthwhile causes or an activity or business that I spend my time on which is fulfilling for me and helps others.

      I know a lot of people won't understand this since most people feel the way I used to about money, that it's a worthy cause in its own right as long as you're not unhappy in how you make it.

      With all the health and personal problems people I know have had recently it's just made me think that I shouldn't be doing things to earn money and deferring my actual passions until later and considering whether IM fits into what my ideal daily activities will be.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    Andy, this thread is long and I'm not sure what you're looking for. Why not just go do whatever you feel will fulfill you right now... if money follows... so be it.

    You know all too well... decision is a verb, not a noun.

    The internet is not going anywhere. It will be here for you when, and if, you decide to return.
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  • Profile picture of the author ericabiz
    Hi Andy,

    Excellent post. It reminds me of how I felt in early 2007.

    I had been running a web hosting company which was extremely successful by pretty much any measure. I was really good at running a hosting company, and I knew how to make a sale and hire good employees to keep the network up and running. We were on target to do $1M in sales in 2007.

    But the fire had gone out from under me. I felt like you did...only web hosting is worse, because the b*tchy customers page you at 3AM instead of waiting until proper business hours.

    I find that when we start focusing on the negative things in others, it's indicative of us needing to make a change.

    I made a HUGE change. I sold my business, cashed out, and took nearly a year off. I had been running the business for over 6 years when I finally sold it in September 2007. It was time for a break. I was good at web hosting, and many (like many who are reading this thread about you) couldn't believe I wanted to leave. After all, I was well-known and respected in the industry. When I announced my company's sale on a forum thread (much like this forum for IM'ers, web hosting has Web Hosting Talk), many predicted I'd come back to hosting and start another business. "It's hard to leave," they told me.

    But I left. And many are surprised. They have kept up with me through my blog and know that I don't intend to ever get back into hosting. I was unquestionably one of the successes of that industry. Why not make easy money?

    Because I didn't love it anymore, and I knew I was destined for more interesting things.

    Then I found IM, found this forum, and met cool people at Mass Control and Pat O'Bryan's UnSeminar5 (where I spoke earlier this year.) Amazing Internet marketers. I decided to set up a membership site, which will be launching this month. I sold my first product in October and made $900 in a week. I built a list and discovered 85 amazing people I've bonded with. I am hooked.

    You have to find that perspective again. And when you say you are considering never doing IM again, I know how you feel. And I don't doubt that while you would be missed by many, you may know (as I did) that you will never do it again.

    I encourage you to take a year off. Sell your business or whatever your equivalent would be. Whatever's dragging you down -- get rid of it, and take off for a while.

    After several months of not being knee-deep in IM, a path should become clear. It may be totally different than IM. It will likely have components of what you're doing now. It may or may not involve the Internet. But you need that time apart to gain the clarity, so don't hesitate to make the break.

    The past year+ has been one of the best in my life. I have traveled near and far, started a new diet, started working out several times a week, and read hundreds of books. It has been a blessing in every way.

    If this sounds great, do whatever you need to do -- including some big, shocking sale of your business! -- to make it happen in your life. You will not regret it.

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  • Profile picture of the author faranak
    well i love his so much i have been threatend to be divorced by my partner if i do not spend more time with him and less time on my pc.i get up in the morning and switch my pc on first thing and i could be on it all day every day as yet any way.i still do not make that much money but i think it will come and if it doesnot well at least i am happy
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  • Profile picture of the author Stanley Tang
    Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    More and more I've been losing my interest in IM stuff. I have a technical background so I used to like explaining techy stuff to people - there's now tons of that information available in many ways for IM.

    I used to care a lot about making money and that drove me to learn about it - I now don't care much about it and that motivation has gone.

    I like helping people, so I've spent a lot of time helping others in whatever ways I can - It seems that nowadays there are so many Gurus that people just want to argue with your advice and use what they heard elsewhere as the justification - they don't actually follow either type of advice.

    I like meeting interesting people - that side of things is still good and I like meeting up with friends at seminars and get-togethers.

    I like talking about IM and brainstorming - I still do that but I have a small group of people that I trust who I talk about it with, so it's not so much of a public thing as it used to be for me.


    It seems that many people prefer the feeling of wanting success more than they want to do what's necessary to get it.

    So, I'm now thinking that my usefulness in the IM niche has run its course and I should stop wasting my time talking about it - and just do it for myself.

    I'll still keep my list and my personal clients and respond to what they want, but just stop spending time on the generalised public forum stuff.

    I think Twitter has enabled this too, since anyone who wants to communicate with me and that I want to keep up with can do it using twitter.

    So, I'm thinking that when I get back to the UK for Xmas I might have an IM 'clear out' and just do my own thing and maybe run a few seminars with IM friends to keep up with people and still help get what's working 'out there', but drop out of the public side of IM. I have a lot of things I like doing and IM has helped get me to where I am but the focus on money doesn't feel great to me anymore and I'm thinking I could spend my time better doing other things, like learn and play more music.


    Is this a phase that you've gone through before? or has the appeal of IM just gone for me only?

    Andy
    No, you're not the only one. In fact, I'm actually planning on quitting the IM niche as well... my next product eMillions is probably going to be the last info-product that I'm ever going to release.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Cavanagh
    Andy,

    Come over to Thailand for a while and live a relaxing life

    (Well, as soon as these protesters have moved from the airport)

    Seriously, I started making a LOT more money when I moved to Asia, found a great lady who truly loves me, settled into their way of life, started paying STACKS less than Aust, UK and USA... and much more.

    Maybe seeing as you're single, you'll come here and never go home

    David Cavanagh

    PS... It's happened To Kevin Riley, James Brown, James Allen, myself and many more... I'm not asking you to imagine what life could be like if you decided to change completely right now... hehehe
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