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Some of the info on here...

by Danny Cutts
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I read the warrior forum quite a bit but recently I am reading so much more really bad advice...

But what worries me is that newbies are reading it thinking what they have read is gospel and then going away and using the duff information given by someone who has never made a bean online and then wasting time and money chasing a dream that is never going to happen.

Please before you start giving out advice make sure it is actually good advice and not just something you "think" or have "read" because its a bit like chinese whispers online.

If you dont know the answer to a question move on, dont just post to post or try and answer, all this does is increase your post count. which brings me onto the next thing...

Just because a warrior has a high post count this only means that they have posted a lot.. it means nothing more, dont start thinking its a rating system.... I know a few warriors that only have a handful of posts yet they take a crap and have made more cash than most earn a month!!

This is not a rant just trying to advise those newbies to do research first before they part with their cash or their time as both are just as valuable..

Danny
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  • Profile picture of the author Charlotte Jay
    Good point Danny. Yeah, there have been some really duff posts and advice given in here. But, saying that there are some really good ones as well. I just hope the noobs are smart enough to learn from the good from the bad. I did part with a fair bit of time and moola when I first started out, but I learned left from right really fast.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
    Oh yes.... the number of great warriors and great posts is fantastic on here!! goes without saying :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
    Could not have said that better myself, Danny.

    Of late I've also noticed there is more 'shiny object bating' as well with some 'fake-it-till-you-make-it' crap thrown in. No need for anybody to sling names around but those people know who they are....That's pretty much all I'll say without my post turning into a rant.

    That said, there are some diamond people who are in the offline consultancy section who have really helped me with some solid advice which has worked, and that's where I'm making my money at the moment.

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  • Profile picture of the author JonWebContent
    Originally Posted by Danny Cutts View Post

    I know a few warriors that take a crap and have made more cash than most earn a month!!


    That sounds like eBook material!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    Danny the problem is all the really good advice is realistic and in this game realistic means hard work, time , steep learnng curve etc. All things that are not what many newbies want to hear.

    In a way bad advice if followed without proper investigation is a fair price to pay for such a naive decision on the part of the newbie.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
      Originally Posted by Cathy Shelver View Post

      Danny the problem is all the really good advice is realistic and in this game realistic means hard work, time , steep learnng curve etc. All things that are not what many newbies want to hear.

      In a way bad advice if followed without proper investigation is a fair price to pay for such a naive decision on the part of the newbie.
      THANK YOU! This really needs to be said more often. The onus is NOT all on the person offering advice (good or bad). The person reading it has a responsibility for their own due diligence.

      Danny's comments are exactly right, but so are Cathy's. It's not a one-way street.

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    • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
      Originally Posted by Cathy Shelver View Post

      Danny the problem is all the really good advice is realistic and in this game realistic means hard work, time , steep learnng curve etc. All things that are not what many newbies want to hear.

      In a way bad advice if followed without proper investigation is a fair price to pay for such a naive decision on the part of the newbie.
      Yeah I completely agree.... We were all newbies at one point but we have all busted our balls to get where we are today. We all know its hard work, blood, sweat and fricken tears.

      Sorry I was in a strop last night when I started this thread...

      Some of the Advice I was reading last night was shocking!!

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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Danny Cutts View Post

        Some of the Advice I was reading last night was shocking!!
        Agreed.

        There's always some, of course, but at the moment, there's really a lot of it about, it seems. People are "answering questions" on subjects they clearly know absolutely nothing about at all.

        Well, the internet's like that, isn't it?

        There's very, very little "quality control", and it's all very much "caveat emptor".

        But yes ... I really do feel very sorry for some of the people taking advice here, because that was me, two and a half years ago, and I wasted several months because of it.

        Developing the judgment to decide "who's worth listening to" isn't easy, and sometimes the 'clues' really can be misleading.

        Specifically, I'm increasingly coming around to the opinion that people who describe themselves as "SEO experts/gurus" are doing so because they know full well that there's very little chance indeed that anyone else ever will.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          I kind of wish they would add a few sticky threads of common myths or commonly asked questions.

          Things like...

          "I built 6 backlinks and now my site is deindexed."
          "Google is going to smite us all."
          "I built 5 backlinks a day like everyone said and I'm still ranked #5987, what gives?"
          "If someone tells you they are making $7834/day, why would they need that extra $17 from you to learn their method?"
          "I have been using the word 'the' a lot in my articles. Will I get banned for duplicate content?"
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          • Profile picture of the author Diane S
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            I kind of wish they would add a few sticky threads of common myths or commonly asked questions.

            Things like...
            "I have been using the word 'the' a lot in my articles. Will I get banned for duplicate content?"
            That's a real gem!
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          • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            I kind of wish they would add a few sticky threads of common myths or commonly asked questions.

            Things like...

            "I built 6 backlinks and now my site is deindexed."
            "Google is going to smite us all."
            "I built 5 backlinks a day like everyone said and I'm still ranked #5987, what gives?"
            "If someone tells you they are making $7834/day, why would they need that extra $17 from you to learn their method?"
            "I have been using the word 'the' a lot in my articles. Will I get banned for duplicate content?"
            The reality is that these sorts of questions are so common, there's always at least one or two threads "up top", somewhere, containing the correct answers (thanks to a few well-informed individuals who have the strength to keep repeating themselves). Permanently.

            So, in effect, it is "stickied"

            And it still doesn't stop people repeating the same questions - sometimes even multiple times in the same damn thread in which the answers have been given!

            The issue isn't with the correct information not being readily presented in front of peoples eyes - it's with their inability or unwillingness to actually read it unless its aimed directly at them, by name (and even then they seem to turn a blind eye, quite often).

            For that reason, I doubt even a few sticky threads would help matters.
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        • Profile picture of the author philipraj
          Hi Danny,

          A newbie question when you started online what did you do first? and also what would you recommend to me now as you are not a newbie, what could i do to make a proper go at this i.m any information would be greatly appreciated mate.

          Phil
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        • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Specifically, I'm increasingly coming around to the opinion that people who describe themselves as "SEO experts/gurus" are doing so because they know full well that there's very little chance indeed that anyone else ever will.
          The epidemic of nonsensical SEO sh*t-talking is the absolute worst.

          That is the reason I stopped frequenting the AdSense/SEO section of the forum as often - opting instead to participate more in this section - despite the fact the discussion there should've been more relevant to me at the time of my focusing mostly on AdSense and SEO.

          So I came to the main forum, only to see crap spoken about subjects such as article marketing, instead. Of course, a lot of that also relates to (or stems from) peoples SEO misconceptions, one way or another.

          It's nearly all about SEO.

          SEO is EVIL, apparently. It drives everyone equally insane: those who have no idea about it, and those who try to offer decent advice on the subject. Then there's the tedium of actually doing it, too.
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    Right On Danny!
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Hey Danny. Great point.


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  • Profile picture of the author MarkAnderson
    Great point Danny, in other words it means, a forum user needs enough awareness to realize that what’s right and what’s wrong.

    This is a trick I frequently use to filter good ones, when you a see interesting advices at forums, see adviser’s signature link. If the thread or reply includes something may cause to increase the value of his signature, the real benefits are lower than he promises.
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  • Profile picture of the author alcymart
    Good point! Before answering a question, make sure you have knowledge of the subject or some experience. Some answers can be debatable but others I saw here were just complete nonsense!

    I read countless times someone being mislead on the wrong path. I didn't start arguing, simply because it is against rules in this forum to put down another member or comments.

    That "Fake it till you make it" post, I recall and was trying to hold myself together and just left it at that, I went to bed biting my lip...

    I don't think there is much we can do apart from making a post once and a while like you just did Danny.

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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Originally Posted by Danny Cutts View Post

    I read the warrior forum quite a bit but recently I am reading so much more really bad advice...
    I do not see it as new, nor do i see it changing, in many ways if you can not learn to sort the wheat from the chaff here, your going to have a hell of a time getting past go and collecting $200 online anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
      Hi Danny,

      Yeah the thing is that people love to try and appear knowledgeable. Lots of times it is a post to gain sig looks or clicks or whatever. As long as there are people who ask questions,there will people people who offer answers.

      It is important to research things before taking anyone's advice ever. Regardless of how knowledgable someone is or isn't.

      Due diligence is also work so as long as people are lazy and look for easy answers to solve their problems this won't change.

      Snake oil salesmen hit people with elixer to cure what ails you stuff even though it was crap and solved nothing people bought it. It is an age old thing. As long as their is a crowd stupid enough to buy into it there will be a snakeman to sell them on whatever bs they offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    Advice here is subjective just like everywhere else. Sure, some of it may be bad, but I know there are a lot of free "gems" here on this forum, that can't be found at other places. So overall, the WF is still the best place to come for internet marketing knowledge IMHO.
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  • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
    I can understand your reasons for creating a thread about this but it doesn't solve the problem at hand.

    Once this thread drops of the front page we'll be back to the same old, same old. A newbie likely won't see this, but you can guarantee they'll see a tonne of threads with information that others deem bad advice.

    Someone spoke of biting their tongue in response to terrible information - and quoted forum rules that you can't bad mouth someone else or their post.

    That doesn't mean that you can't disagree in a polite and reasonable fashion. It is a discussion board.

    Is it better to stand by and lament the poor quality or is it better to actually post in the thread with what is the correct information in your opinion?

    At least then a newbie reading a thread gets a more balanced view of the topic and has more information to base a decision on.
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    • Profile picture of the author megawarrior
      Originally Posted by profitsforall View Post

      Once this thread drops of the front page we'll be back to the same old, same old. A newbie likely won't see this, but you can guarantee they'll see a tonne of threads with information that others deem bad advice.
      This thread itself should be stickied.

      I've been seeing a lot of poor advice being peddled around. It could be difficult for a newbie to filter the gems from the junk.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Deegan
    Great Advice! I've said something similar in some earlier posts of mine. One thing I'd like to add, I think it's great that people do try to help with whatever advice they can give. But it's probably best to state up front when giving that advice if its from your own experience or something you've read or heard from others.

    It doesn't make it wrong or bad that its something you've only read, it's just nice to know as a reader where a fact or claim is coming from. Also don't assume that a post should only be from ones own experience. Your or my particular experience is just 1 case or scenario and does not equate to truth for all.

    Spread love spread knowledge, but with diligence when possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author thesnakeman
    Danny, don't panic. This is not a problem confined to this forum.
    In fact it's probably a problem throughout the web.
    I frequent forums about my area of expertise (reptiles) and many forums contain more wrong information than right information!
    Secondly in the world of cyber, (forums) a so-called "fact" published often enough, soon becomes a "proven" fact, even if completely wrong!
    Now I am relatively new to the "science" of SEO and have in my learning curve been led up dud paths many times both via SEO sites, advice, forums and the like, in some cases by generally honest people who were convincved they were on the right track.
    So yes, the advice is correct, throw up the BS meter on this and all other forums and this is not meant to be disrespectful to the (many knowledgeable) people here.
    All the best
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    It does not matter what advice you get in any topic for that matter. We need to do our own research as well as the advice given.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Just yesterday some genius wrote that it was a waste of time to build a list in micro-niches. I just about p***d my pants.........

    And many plus 1's for those that stated that people need to do their own research anyways.

    Right now, I'm researching on some mighty fine coffee beans.....

    RoD
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    • Profile picture of the author IMAdam
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      Just yesterday some genius wrote that it was a waste of time to build a list in micro-niches. I just about p***d my pants.........

      And many plus 1's for those that stated that people need to do their own research anyways.

      Right now, I'm researching on some mighty fine coffee beans.....

      RoD

      I know, I saw that one too and I was like..."are you kidding me?" :confused:

      But for someone who doesn't know any better will run with that advice and miss out on some great opportunity.

      As the forum grows and more people join, it's impossible to stop people from giving "opinions" or straight up, bad advice. The only way to tell if it's good is to TEST and VERIFY.
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      • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
        Originally Posted by IMAdam View Post

        I know, I saw that one too and I was like..."are you kidding me?" :confused:

        But for someone who doesn't know any better will run with that advice and miss out on some great opportunity.

        As the forum grows and more people join, it's impossible to stop people from giving "opinions" or straight up, bad advice. The only way to tell if it's good is to TEST and VERIFY.
        Yep I saw that as well....

        Great information that was...lol
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    I have the greatest respect for those on here that continually try to overshadow the myths.

    There is so much information online about how to appear to be an authority many start to believe their own hype and think they are an authority. I know that used to be the hook most cast from the MLM camp.

    I see a lot of incorrect information pertaining to building links and syndication on forum. A lot of my post count comes from debating those issues ... to the point of deciding it is not profitable for me to maintain that path any longer.

    Post count doesn't seem to be a big factor. I see people with ten post making better sense than some with thousands. One thing that I have noticed .. when my post count is rising .. my asset list and profit margins are not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Studio13
    You can learn much about the world from observing ants, or leaves, or clouds.

    Anything anyone has to say is going to be a combination of their experience, perspective, communication skills etc. "Good" or "Bad" advice is also just your perception. And if your advice is good, theirs is bad... please, please, tell us your measuring stick. By all men's measure their advice is good.

    Let's not be foolish and prideful at the same time.
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    Due diligence!
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
    wow this thread has been dragged up from the past... but it still stands..

    I try and answer every thread as truthfully as I can and normally it is answered on my own findings.. I don't like Chinese whispers when it comes to facts and essentially peoples livelihoods.

    After a fair few years on the warrior forum you get to know who you can trust and who you know is just just blowing smoke :-)

    Just hope the newbies discover it early on :-) and at not too much expense either...
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    I didn't start arguing, simply because it is against rules in this forum to put down another member or comments.
    I haven't seen any rule that says you cannot say how dumb/idiot/wrong/dangerous a stupid advice can be

    Idiots should be put down, actually. Shouldn't they?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      Idiots should be put down, actually. Shouldn't they?
      Much like a maimed horse, yes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Good point. I guess it's only natural to think that people who have high post counts know what they are talking about. It's just perception, but it's one of those things that you can't ignore or think about whenever you see someone with 1,000 or more posts to their name.
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    • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      Good point. I guess it's only natural to think that people who have high post counts know what they are talking about. It's just perception, but it's one of those things that you can't ignore or think about whenever you see someone with 1,000 or more posts to their name.
      102 more posts and we may think (naturally) you know what you are talking about

      [just joking :p]
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    Who keeps digging up all these old posts?????
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  • Profile picture of the author Coolstro
    There is the amount of times someone has been thanked which would maybe put more value into what they say... Could you answer me this? on the left under the person where is says Thanks: (is this number the amount of times they have given thanks or been thanked)? / Thanked (is this the number of times they have thanked someone or been thanked)?
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