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ttippmann 15 years ago

I hear you there are a lot of great warriors that give great advice. Just a few that are on the same threads all the time with the same tactics.
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MaskedMarketer

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ttippmann

"You have been looking in the wrong place, the answer is in the link in my signature." or "My product will do everything you mentioned, just check out my link below."

The reason I come to the forums here is to get some unbiased opinions and options. Not so get sold by the seller.

Is it just me, or anyone else on my wagon?

You are absolutely correct.

Some marketers are a lot better at hiding the fact they are being biased, but are really just marketing to you.

Remember, this is a marketing forum.

"All Marketers Are Liars"

This is a good place to learn stuff, but not the only or best place.

You have too many biased opinions here.

You need to learn business- with a focus on marketing.

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Mark Brock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ttippmann

Seems like there is some great help out there on the Warrior Forum. People that actually give some of their time and expertise to the subject of the thread. That is what is great about this site.

On the other hand. It seems like there are those that are just starting to spam their IM products like crazy without even giving any value to the conversation. They are subscribing to threads and just replying with their pitch every time someone posts. "You have been looking in the wrong place, the answer is in the link in my signature." or "My product will do everything you mentioned, just check out my link below."

The reason I come to the forums here is to get some unbiased opinions and options. Not so get sold by the seller.

Is it just me, or anyone else on my wagon?

I've noticed the same things as you. A lot of posts have just been made to direct people to their signature files.

I have noticed a few examples of this though that I think are justifable as they have actually contributed to the question asked so not everyone that directs you to their sig. file is at fault here.

A valid point made though!

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ttippmann 15 years ago

Just want to call them out so that they know we notice and that they should give some value to the conversation before pitching their product and tell us why it is better and exactly what it does etc.
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Diana Lane

15 years ago

There's a bit of that in all forums, but this one is generally pretty well-moderated (by it's members - you and me included) and such people don't tend to last long around here.

This behaviour tends to have the opposite effect (on me at least) to what's presumably intended. Whenever I see people dive in with nothing more than an affiliate link to contribute, I see desperation and someone I wouldn't follow for a bucket of water if my arse was on fire, never mind follow for profitable IM advice.

The people who take time to build a valuable presence here stand much more chance of gaining a following, and it will be one which sticks with them.

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MaskedMarketer

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Diana Lane

There's a bit of that in all forums, but this one is generally pretty well-moderated (by it's members - you and me included) and such people don't tend to last long around here.

While everyone has there own opinion and bias on forums, not all of these opinions lead to a financial gain, like they do on this forum. Its hard to know who to trust, when there is financial gain- no matter if its a good deal or not.

Originally Posted by Diana Lane

This behaviour tends to have the opposite effect (on me at least) to what's presumably intended. Whenever I see people dive in with nothing more than an affiliate link to contribute, I see desperation and someone I wouldn't follow for a bucket of water if my arse was on fire, never mind follow for profitable IM advice.

Its the people who give bias (even completely misleading) information w/ an affiliate link you should be concerned about. The people who just spam there link- I would never consider looking there way.

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Paul Myers

15 years ago

Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong posts, but I see very little of this stuff here, other than the obvious newbie spam.

Paul

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MaskedMarketer

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong posts, but I see very little of this stuff here, other than the obvious newbie spam.
Paul

You've been here for a while. Maybe too long to notice it anymore

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ExRat

15 years ago

Hi Masked Marketer,

You've been here for a while. Maybe too long to notice it anymore

Two things -

That fellow doesn't miss a thing

Remember, this is a marketing forum.

"All Marketers Are Liars"

This is a good place to learn stuff, but not the only or best place.

Puuurlease - one of my vast collection of pet hates is when the title of a book is used out of context and turned into some sort of slogan or saying that infers an incorrect, misleading and (mainly) pointless generalisation.

BTW - men are not from Mars or women from Venus. We grow in our mummie's tummies and fall out of their front-bottoms - right here, on earth. :rolleyes:

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Chris Lockwood

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Puuurlease - one of my vast collection of pet hates is when the title of a book is used out of context and turned into some sort of slogan or saying that infers an incorrect, misleading and (mainly) pointless generalisation.

Are you objecting to the title itself or people referring to it? I can't tell.

I have a problem with the title, if the book's contents do not support it. It looks like a cry for attention with a huge generalization.

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Paul Myers

15 years ago

You've been here for a while. Maybe too long to notice it anymore

Or maybe long enough that it doesn't surprise me and stand out more than it should.

Could be either or both. There are a lot of threads I don't bother with, and they might well have to do with topics that are more likely to draw those responses. Still, after having moderated for so long, I tend to think there's at least a little of the "I don't like it, so I notice it more" going on.

Like the guy who got my newsletter today and emailed me griping. A half page of soft product recommendation and 10 1/2 pages of pure content. (Using standard Word formatting.) He griped about "too much pitching."

Things that bother you stand out more than things that don't.

A LOT more.

Paul

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ExRat

15 years ago

Hi Chris,

I'm not sure which bit confused you, but I was objecting to the use of the title of the book, for no apparent reason, in the context of a discussion about misleading information in internet marketing. The only logical assumption one can make from it's use here is that the person using it was suggesting literally that 'all marketers are liars' - which I would suggest is incorrect - regardless of whether the book actually baits and switches or not.

Clearer?

Hi Paul,

In all honesty, I thought today's newsletter was one of the best. Cheers. I'm a little jaded myself, but that person must be seriously 'ground down'. :rolleyes:

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Paul Myers 15 years ago

Roger,

In all honesty, I thought today's newsletter was one of the best. Cheers. I'm a little jaded myself, but that person must be seriously 'ground down'. :rolleyes:

Thanks. That's the last critical piece for the recent ebook.

I would imagine that the guy probably saw the promo at the beginning and didn't look at the rest of the thing. That's pretty common. I suggested that to a gentleman once and he looked... Surprise. Then he went through the rest of the ones he still had and emailed me back yelling because I hadn't told him there was "real content after the ads."

One of my better laughs this year.

People see what they focus on. If you focus on out-of-place ads in a forum, that's what you'll notice.

But try and make people admit that...

Paul
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Chris Lockwood

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Chris,

I'm not sure which bit confused you, but I was objecting to the use of the title of the book, for no apparent reason, in the context of a discussion about misleading information in internet marketing. The only logical assumption one can make from it's use here is that the person using it was suggesting literally that 'all marketers are liars' - which I would suggest is incorrect - regardless of whether the book actually baits and switches or not.

Clearer?

Yes, but the way you originally worded it, it could be interpreted as the book having a deceptive title (which is probably the case).

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ZelimirGraf

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Diana Lane

There's a bit of that in all forums, but this one is generally pretty well-moderated (by it's members - you and me included) and such people don't tend to last long around here.

This behaviour tends to have the opposite effect (on me at least) to what's presumably intended. Whenever I see people dive in with nothing more than an affiliate link to contribute, I see desperation and someone I wouldn't follow for a bucket of water if my arse was on fire, never mind follow for profitable IM advice.

The people who take time to build a valuable presence here stand much more chance of gaining a following, and it will be one which sticks with them.

Hi, just wanted to share my opinion with you guys. The thing is we all come here to find something. We come here for information, knowledge, social contacts, friendship, whatever. But, the most important thing in life, the thing that guides me through my life, is that you always have to give beyond yourself to be truly fulfilled. What that means for this forum is, while I am here, I will try to contribute as much as I can, at the same time trying to gain something that I need, that is the true reason I am here. But giving beyond myself is always number one. Guess that should be a rule for everyone, then this world would be much much better, just as this forum would have much less spammers and much more contributing members.
Best of all to you

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wsbmllc

15 years ago

Well or course you are going to see this. Every IM book out there for newbies tells them to join a forum, put a link in their sig, and start posting.

The one item they do leave out is the post should be very related to the topics and add in some substance.

I think there are 3 types of people that frequent forums (IMO):

1. People looking for information
2. People looking to build relationships and meet others
3. People looking to make money

I guess you could be all 3, but newbies start off at #3, hence the spam type stuff.

Mike

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Chris Lockwood

15 years ago

Great point. I discuss this in my new ebook which you can buy here:

myspamebook.com

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phoenix212

15 years ago

I rarely even notice signatures anymore...though a link definitely won't hurt your page rank, or to help drive traffic.

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Li Weng

15 years ago

I don't really care if someone directs me to their signatures as long as it's quality stuff. I don't know about you, but I've dug up golden nuggets here and there from people's signatures. Most recent one was how to easily get backlinks from edu and gov sites.

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