Will a Virtual Assitant from the Philippines get traffic for you?

by AFI
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Do they do such things as submit articles, write hubpages, comment on blog posts and just get traffic for you in general?

If so, then why would they work so cheaply for someone else? I've heard they are about $200-$300 a month. If that is the case, then why don't they just have sites of their own if they know all about Internet Marketing?

I'm skeptical about hiring a VA for traffic generation.
#assitant #philippines #traffic #virtual
  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    Your assistant should do what you ask them to do. You direct them. You're the boss.

    I have a friend in India that runs a successful business. I asked him why so many programmers in India work cheap for Americans, rather than starting their own sites. He said that there is not the entrepreneur spirit that you find in other places, like America. Most just want a paying job and security.

    On the other hand, people in countries like the PI and India are very happy with $300 a month. That's a lot of money in some places and it is much easier to get it by doing some tasks for somebody like you than it is to go through the troubles of running their own business.
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      That makes sense. Thanks for your response.
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    • Profile picture of the author drmani
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      He said that there is not the entrepreneur spirit that you find in other places, like America. Most just want a paying job and security.
      That - and the business environment has only recently become even
      slightly conducive to entrepreneurship. The barons of the 1960s all
      had to overcome so many hurdles en route to their success, it's a
      tribute to their determination and persistence. Relatively speaking,
      today's biz climate makes starting a new venture a piece of cake!

      All success
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      Your assistant should do what you ask them to do. You direct them. You're the boss.

      I have a friend in India that runs a successful business. I asked him why so many programmers in India work cheap for Americans, rather than starting their own sites. He said that there is not the entrepreneur spirit that you find in other places, like America. Most just want a paying job and security.

      On the other hand, people in countries like the PI and India are very happy with $300 a month. That's a lot of money in some places and it is much easier to get it by doing some tasks for somebody like you than it is to go through the troubles of running their own business.

      This spirit you speak of is a worldwide phenomena.

      Society as a whole is taught to get a job and security.

      And in most societies, we are judged by our career status,and ability to provide for our families.

      People should also understand that despite a high number of Uni grads, the Philipines suffers from chronic unemployment.

      VA's from their tend to be the most over qualified employees you'll ever find.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eamon Diamond
    Hi Jennifer,

    I was sceptical at the start too; about hiring in the philippines. Yes they can do all the tasks, but there's specific people for different tasks, some are trained in different areas like, Virtual assitant, article marketing, programing etc.

    The most important thing to watch out for is their command of the English language. If you find someone with perfect writing skills, you'll not have any trouble giving them any task to do with blog posting, article writing, forum posting, do test them out first with a short task.

    E Brian Rose is right in saying, "there is not the entrepreneur spirit in them." They like to find a job with security.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    Jennifer, I *highly* recommend you hire a VA for traffic - IF you have a system that successfully get's traffic all set up, documented, and training material made.

    Basically - first create the traffic method yourself. Test it out. (it can be simple article marketing or advanced SEO, or PPC or...) Make sure the system works and provides consistent results.

    Document how you did it, in EASY TO FOLLOW, step by step manner.

    Then look for a VA that fit's with your traffic method. Hire them on a "probation" period, for 30 days.

    Give them that document with the exact steps, plus any software they need.

    Keep track of their work. Make them fill out a log sheet, which shows what they did and the hours they work.

    Communicate with them everyday, training, answering questions, etc.

    After 30 days, evaluate their service. Did it bring traffic? Did it bring sales?


    Money doesn't lie.

    Make a decision to keep them or find someone else.

    After you find a winner, and you have them fully trained, they require much less hand holding.

    The important thing here, though, is to make sure you have a system already designed, tested, and working. Don't just tell them to "go get traffic..." Give them a system and a process for working the system and make sure they follow it.

    Many people make lots of mistakes when hiring, and the above paragraph is the biggest. Make damn sure you have a system already AND it's documented.

    Best of luck,

    Rob
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    • Profile picture of the author It Should Be Easy
      Entrepreneur spirit is bull**** if you ask me, they are simply in need of money to make a living and perhaps actually buy food?

      There is no chance that you will start making 300 USD a month from the beginning without investing anything so the best thing to do is to make sure that you have an income.

      Internet marketing as we know it is a luxuary, you will not get rich fast. You need spare time, probably some money to invest and a long time to establish a passive income. Most of the people in the world can´t afford that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
        Originally Posted by Andre Hegge View Post

        Entrepreneur spirit is bull**** if you ask me, they are simply in need of money to make a living and perhaps actually buy food?

        There is no chance that you will start making 300 USD a month from the beginning without investing anything so the best thing to do is to make sure that you have an income.

        Internet marketing as we know it is a luxuary, you will not get rich fast. You need spare time, probably some money to invest and a long time to establish a passive income. Most of the people in the world can´t afford that.
        Um, did you actually READ her post?
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
          What Rob wrote is succinct and to the point and is pretty much what you need to do if you want to have a VA succeed on your behalf.

          I think the first time I heard about outsourcing to the Phillippines was at John Barker's seminar and that was about 2005. He was saying then, that in order to get teh kind of work you need done, actually done, you have to tell your VA exactly what to do.

          And pretty much there are people who specialize in different things to do online. It is possible that with a campaign like you are describing, you might need 4 or 5 different VA's.
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      • Profile picture of the author It Should Be Easy
        Originally Posted by LD Carter View Post

        What the hell.....
        She's asking about hiring a VA, she's not talking about IM being a get-rich-quick industry....
        I should have quoted these parts of the thread to make myself clear - I am sorry about that! :p

        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        He said that there is not the entrepreneur spirit that you find in other places, like America. Most just want a paying job and security
        Originally Posted by Eamon Diamond View Post

        E Brian Rose is right in saying, "there is not the entrepreneur spirit in them." They like to find a job with security.
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      • Profile picture of the author Wiggy0618
        While lower cost of living, job security, and the other things mentioned already play key roles, I think a part of it is simply a difference culture.

        I did two stints in Iraq doing govt. contract work in '05-'06, and again in '07-'08. I was not only exposed to local national workers (Iraqis), but many foreign nationals from Eastern Europe (Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, etc), Kenya, India, and more. The wild differences in culture and how people think simply due to the history of their culture vastly affects their decision-making, and therefore these folks might make decisions we would never understand.
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        • Profile picture of the author PandoraH
          I am a US Freelancer, and some of my clients use freelancers from the Philippines (and other countries) for some of their VA work. Generally speaking, my clients say that the quality of a VA is more dependent upon the individual then the country they originate from. Yes, they will work more cheaply then those of us in the US and other places, but there are reasons for that. Generally speaking, I do not work for or endorse clients who pay people a wage based simply on the country they were born in. Of course, it also depends on the type of work you want a VA to do. And bad apples will show up anywhere, anytime, from any place.
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      • Profile picture of the author sal64
        Originally Posted by Andre Hegge View Post

        Entrepreneur spirit is bull**** if you ask me
        No one asked you.
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  • Profile picture of the author stma
    Left to their own devices a VA is worthless

    If you tell them where, how, when, and what to post you'll get some results. But then there are automated tools to do the same thing.

    Spend a little more (o.k. a lot) on someone who speaks english as a first language and understands the topic you are building traffic to - much better results.

    Example: My political writer writes for 5 of my blogs. He also comments on 10 other blogs a day, posts to the twitter, facebook, and other social accounts tied to it.

    In a nutshell I pay him to run the entire business from content to marketing. Why he is still working for me I have no clue
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  • Profile picture of the author Mehak
    hi,
    you can hire a va from elance.com/guru.com

    you're best to check their feedback from other users before going ahead and I highly recommend you have a terms and conditions stating both your rights and responsibilities. You can make this yourself, doesn't need to be prepared by a lawyer or anything.

    You should give them specific tasks to complete eg: writing articles or whatever you need done and ofcourse agree a price. The price can vary depending on what you need done.

    I guess some people are happy earning a stable income working from home and maybe dont want their own business. But VA's are a great help and do work!
    All the best
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
    Jenni, Jenni; (867-5309)

    I wish I could say something wise and witty but E. Brian and Rob have the gist of it covered.

    As I am sure you can see, even in New England, some people favor security over opportunity. That sentiment is pervasive in some cultures. Indeed there are many people that will be glad to serve you well.

    The only recommendation I might add is to have a look at oDesk.com. I have a part-time VA that has been outstanding. If you would like to start with someone part-time, let me know and I will send you her information.

    Please do not hold yourself back from one of the best business tools you can give yourself.

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  • Profile picture of the author darkwizgemz
    I do agree with E. brian. In other country's they would prefer for security rather opportunity itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author ray777
    If I may add my 2 cents. It was asked why they just don't start their own business? In the Philippines most people do not have a credit card. Without a credit card how can they buy a domain and web hosting and a autoresponder?
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  • Profile picture of the author Eamon Diamond
    Hi Ray,

    You have to outsource some work to them first that doesn't require you handing over to many details right off the bat, finding someone that is capable of doing the tasks is your first move.

    Once you build trust with this person after a few months and have given them a step by step guide on doing things, then you are going to have to eventually trust that person and give them access to your credit card and some other accounts i.e., Google account, hosting account etc. You can put a cap on your credit card to limit the amount in the beginning, but from my experience they are trustful and won't rip you off.

    Rob Howard give a well detailed plan on how to go about getting the proper VA to work for you and he's correct in his post in saying, you have to train them for your business, everybody has a different approach to the way they want things done online.
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  • Profile picture of the author Myecodesk
    I have lived in China for a long time and one thing you hear over and over again among people is a secure and steady job, even if it is a low paying one.
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  • Profile picture of the author myeanne
    I can say that the The Philippines is one of the world's most popular outsourcing destinations with some distinct advantages over countries like India and China.

    Yes, I agree that most Filipino employees are very hard working because we all want a job security. We are giving our best to make our clients happy and for them to keep us.
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  • Profile picture of the author auradev
    I have VAs in the Philippines and they do great graphic design and programming work. Internet marketing and writing is another story.

    I don't think they are good for IM because if they were so good, why would they work for you in the first place. If you can live over there for $800 per month, that is relatively easy to get if you know what you are doing with internet marketing. It took a year for me to get up to that with affiliate offers.

    Now if you have a task that you know does well and can systematize it, they will do it exactly as you ask, so maybe for directory submission or posting spun articles that would work.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    I've used VAs a few times...

    Like everyone else said, they're AWESOME if you can

    1) Give them a proven system (lay it out step-by-step)
    2) Clearly communicate what you want

    Especially as I'm starting to get more into the product creation side of things, I'm looking forward to having VA graphics designers and programmers!
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  • Profile picture of the author StephanieMojica
    I can't say enough about the power of VAs. I still use some from India, Pakistan, and the Philippines even though I am in the process of hiring a part-time American VA who works just with coaches/infopreneurs.

    The key is they need clear instruction.

    I've had fantastic research VAs who I paid less than $2 an hour. The average seems to hover around $3, though I've sometimes paid $10 for technical help.

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  • Profile picture of the author interactivex
    Some people will be able to do these things without training, but usually you will have to train your staff.

    The main skill you should look for is their English ability. Preferably some technical skills as well (basic or advanced web design).

    If they have these skills they can be trained in everything else.
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    • Profile picture of the author Patrick
      I dont understand what has the nationality of a person got to do with whether the person will work good or not :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
        It is not so much their nationality as their culture or way of thinking. And a nation may have a predominant culture.

        I believe you are correct in thinking that someones nationality might not determine whether or not they do good work.


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        Originally Posted by schwarzes View Post

        I dont understand what has the nationality of a person got to do with whether the person will work good or not :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author gerstel22
    Your virtual assistant will have an understanding of IM techniques but you need to train them and follow up with them until you are happy with their output.

    They will only be as good as your training and follow up.

    With regards to why they work for so low wages, bear in mind that this level of income is fair in their country as the cost of living is much lower than in USA or UK.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan Even
    In most cases they'll do what you train them to do! Train them well and they'll do well for you!
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  • Profile picture of the author robvegas626
    I am currently living in the Philippines and employing local Filipinos to handle my SEO and traffic generation. I'd say that I have an insider perspective on this subject that you're not going to learn in any e-book or outsourcing course. Some of the above comments are on target: in the Philippines, very few people dream of being entrepeneurs. The whole idea of "if you can dream it, you can achieve it" is stuff that is taught in America and other Western countries. Here, they hope for a gig that puts food on the table for their families.

    (When you hire a guy in his early twenties, you can assume he already has a wife and one or two kids -- that is the normal situation here. And $300 a month is a very good salary here....it would make them the breadwinner for a large extended family.)

    This does not mean that they will therefore be grateful, loyal, rock-solid employees. A lot of cultural stuff comes into play, that Westerners do not understand and is never taught in the "outsource and get rich overnight" courses. Because I live here, I've been able to watch over my employees, relate to them, and get results. I don't know how it would pan out if I was trying to deliver instructions via the internet from another country.
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    • Profile picture of the author ray777
      Originally Posted by robvegas626 View Post


      (When you hire a guy in his early twenties, you can assume he already has a wife and one or two kids -- that is the normal situation here. And $300 a month is a very good salary here....it would make them the breadwinner for a large extended family.)
      Rob is very correct in saying that $300 a month is a very good salary there. I have been in the Philippines many times and have had work done there so I have seen what local wages are. Teachers only earn $200 a month. So even if you were paying someone $3 per hour that is almost overpaying as I think that would equate to about $500 per month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pinkysoll
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    I've always been skeptical about hiring VA's because of communication. But I think communication via internet has improved with services like skype, etc.

    I also need traffic to my sites and my coaching program also recommended getting outsource workers from the philipines. So will consider doing that in the near future.

    The most important thing in my opinion is finding someone with a good command of the english language and some technical skills.

    $200 - $300 dollars in some countries is alot of money. I should know.
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  • Profile picture of the author UpTheVortex
    Hi Jennifer,

    I've had good experiences with my VA in outsourcing SEO activities (linkbuilding, creating linkwheels, etc.). Make a small project description and do a test for a few hours and if that works, try another (bigger) project. Use Google Docs or Basecamp to check on the activities and if that works well, you might want to hire your VA for a month or so.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author mrq
    good and bad , check the reviews of the provider that you chose first , check to see if he has any disputes etc.Be careful when your hiring a fresh philipino , they can either make it or break it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude5670
      I know currently have 5 VA's in the Philippines. some who have been with me for over a year come to me with their own ideas on how to expand the business they understand that this is securing their employment.

      There certain things that I do know differently, when I hire I will not hire anyone unless I can speak to them on Skype.

      I need to get a real feel for the person and communicate properly in English

      It took some time but I have an entire training site now set up password protected the employees can access all of the training videos.

      So that they learn to write articles the way I want them written build links the way I want the links built and so on


      So yes I'm here to tell you that a virtual assistant can truly help your business

      If all industries were skeptical that the employees would steal their ideas and start on their own, everybody would have a one-man business.

      just as a side note when you first start hiring don't get discouraged it usually takes me five employees to find the one that meshes well with our business.
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