How Many Of You Would Be Happy As a Well-Paid Freelance Writer?

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I know this is a marketing forum, but over the years, I have noticed that there are a LOT of freelance writers that lurk around here ... or should I say, people that aspire to be freelance writers.

Just out of interest, how many of you would be happy running your own freelance operation from home, either during or instead of affiliate/product marketing for commissions?
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticlePrince
    I do it in addition to my sites, simply because I like having at least 5 different streams of income. Also, I think it's fun/interesting to research topics I never would have looked at otherwise. Makes me good at Jeopardy :-p
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    • Profile picture of the author NeilC
      Originally Posted by ArticlePrince View Post

      I do it in addition to my sites, simply because I like having at least 5 different streams of income. Also, I think it's fun/interesting to research topics I never would have looked at otherwise. Makes me good at Jeopardy :-p
      Definitely a good idea to have a few different income streams and not to get too reliant on just one or two.

      Freelance writing can be good but you'll probably only make decent money once people trust the quality of your work and know what they can expect.
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    • Profile picture of the author JonWebContent
      Well, I went to college because I aspired to be a sports writer. About 9 years ago I got a feature article published in Sporting News magazine and thought it would be my big break. Quickly learned that sports writing, albeit my true passion, is more about luck than anything. Off the top of my head, I could probably pick 50 crappy sports writers that make a killing in the business that are a.) morons, b.) have less than 1% of my sports knowledge and c.) not even talented writers - only arrogant a-holes that make non-factual based statements. I'm not just saying that either. It's the truth. The difference between me and them - other than me being more knowledgeable - is luck. In that business, it's 99% luck and 1% writing/knowledge.

      Now, I could build a blog (and have, though never monetized them) and promote myself. However, there's an insane amount of competition and it's just not that profitable.

      So if anyone needs a freelance sports writer, I'm your man!
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      • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
        Originally Posted by JonWebContent View Post

        Well, I went to college because I aspired to be a sports writer. About 9 years ago I got a feature article published in Sporting News magazine and thought it would be my big break. Quickly learned that sports writing, albeit my true passion, is more about luck than anything. Off the top of my head, I could probably pick 50 crappy sports writers that make a killing in the business that are a.) morons, b.) have less than 1% of my sports knowledge and c.) not even talented writers - only arrogant a-holes that make non-factual based statements. I'm not just saying that either. It's the truth. The difference between me and them - other than me being more knowledgeable - is luck. In that business, it's 99% luck and 1% writing/knowledge.

        Now, I could build a blog (and have, though never monetized them) and promote myself. However, there's an insane amount of competition and it's just not that profitable.

        So if anyone needs a freelance sports writer, I'm your man!
        Your story reminds me of Dermot Mulroney's character in "My Best Friend's Wedding." Amiable guy and all, but couldn't make a decent living at his passion for sports writing.

        At least you figured all that out before you banked your entire career on it. I kind of just fell into freelance writing and it stuck. So much in fact that it's probably stunting my IM growth. I hate giving up the "safe" money I make writing to work on my IM stuff.
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        • Profile picture of the author JonWebContent
          Originally Posted by Rikki_Fawkes View Post

          Your story reminds me of Dermot Mulroney's character in "My Best Friend's Wedding." Amiable guy and all, but couldn't make a decent living at his passion for sports writing.

          At least you figured all that out before you banked your entire career on it. I kind of just fell into freelance writing and it stuck. So much in fact that it's probably stunting my IM growth. I hate giving up the "safe" money I make writing to work on my IM stuff.
          Yep. Don't get me wrong, I love writing in general. But sports are my life.

          I'm kinda in the same boat as you. I am trying to get started in IM but I have no time for it right now.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dave Rodman
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            I would never be able to do that. I tend to write long forums posts/emails and so on, but that's conversation. I'd never be able to just write on a list of topics that someone gives me.

            At least sometimes I can force myself to do that when I know I'll keep getting paid i.e. On my site.
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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              I can't write for nobody else at these here rates to save my soul. Phew!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    I'll raise my hand.
    Though it's nice to have some passive income along with the freelance writing income to cover the ups and downs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by ArticlePrince View Post

      I do it in addition to my sites, simply because I like having at least 5 different streams of income. Also, I think it's fun/interesting to research topics I never would have looked at otherwise. Makes me good at Jeopardy :-p
      Good point. Although I market products, there's nothing better than the security of providing services/skills as a freelancer... well, for me anyway.

      Originally Posted by Rose Anderson View Post

      I'll raise my hand.
      Though it's nice to have some passive income along with the freelance writing income to cover the ups and downs.
      rose
      Yep, I hear you. A mix is probably the ultimate option. Finding that balance is the key though, isn't it?

      Burning the candle at both ends, and all that.
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberSorcerer
    Same with me and the others here. I have a number of different revenue streams from my IM sites, adult sites, copywriting, graphic design, programming, security research, etc.

    In this economy today, I believe putting all your eggs in one basket will eventually come back to hurt you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
      I'd rather be a well-paid freelance editor. It's fun making other people look good.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
        Originally Posted by Gail_Curran View Post

        I'd rather be a well-paid freelance editor. It's fun making other people look good.
        I've actually done both. Most editors I know only get paid about 1/3 of what the writers get paid (and sometimes have to spend the same amount of time on the article as the writer did in the first place). But it's far easier than dreaming up the content on your own, which is why I enjoy it, too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Marianne Gonne View Post

      I've made a living as a full-time freelance writer all my adult life. I found my way to WF because I had an idea to sell some information, and I was blown away by all the possibilities the internet posed that I'd had NO idea about.

      I had to learn how to write for the web (with the help of Jenn Dize's awesome course), but since then I've added considerably to my earning arsenal as an authority content writer and have dabbled in a little bit of IM action too.

      I have plans to create a few more products. But, for me, all I ever really wanted to do was write. I'm lucky to earn a good full-time income from it, but even if I didn't, I'd still be writing. It's what I love, and it's what I do.
      Yeah, that's another thing I noticed - a lot of people come into this game from a writing career.

      I think that's a huge advantage actually... because being able to communicate with written words is a huge part of what this business is about.

      Even writing emails to outsourcing teams requires writing skills! There's no avoiding it!
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
        Originally Posted by Gail_Curran View Post

        I'd rather be a well-paid freelance editor. It's fun making other people look good.
        Now that's an interesting slant. All good writers have a good editor behind them!

        In fact, I think a lot of people who create content online for marketing purposes don't realize the benefit of having an editor on standby.

        You can take your scrappy ideas, blurt them onto a page or into a Word document, then let the editor work their magic to create something of value!
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      • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
        Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

        Yeah, that's another thing I noticed - a lot of people come into this game from a writing career.

        I think that's a huge advantage actually... because being able to communicate with written words is a huge part of what this business is about.

        Even writing emails to outsourcing teams requires writing skills! There's no avoiding it!
        I know some affiliate marketers with degrees in journalism who have done very well for themselves. As a journalist, you learn how to write, research, but also keep an eye on what's moving and that's very important as well in IM.

        On the other hand, there's a lot of successful IM'ers in affiliate marketing making money from a technical background such as programming, math or other science education. Those often go into SEO.

        Then again, some IM'ers just seem to be excellent marketers and salespeople in their own right - there's video now - you don't even need to be able to write anymore.

        What I'm getting at is that there are many entries into internet marketing and all can be profitable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

    How Many Of You Would Be Happy As a Well-Paid Freelance Writer?
    I think I might be, as a writer of bestselling fiction.

    I wouldn't be as an online writer, though. A couple of years ago I used to think I might be, but rapidly discovered it was frustrating writing for others when I could earn more, and build residual income, writing for myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Define "Well-Paid" because if your idea of well-paid is $5/article, as is too often considered a fair price for an article in these parts, I would not be happy at all as a "well-paid" freelance writer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hamida Harland
        Personally, I wouldn't now that I know how much more I can earn in IM. I used to work as a freelance writer, and I was fairly well paid too (at $50 an article), but I enjoy what I do now ALOT more.

        Dealing with clients can be difficult, and deadlines are stressful! Plus there just isn't the same earning potential for freelance writers, even for those who ARE well paid (which seems to be relatively few).
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        • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I think I might be, as a writer of bestselling fiction.

          I wouldn't be as an online writer, though. A couple of years ago I used to think I might be, but rapidly discovered it was frustrating writing for others when I could earn more, and build residual income, writing for myself.
          Yeah, for sure. What kind of fiction do you write?

          Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

          Define "Well-Paid" because if your idea of well-paid is $5/article, as is too often considered a fair price for an article in these parts, I would not be happy at all as a "well-paid" freelance writer.
          Lol - certainly not. Personally, I wouldn't write a quality article for much less than $50, at a minimum.

          If you look in the right places, people are willing to pay a lot more, for a lot more in return.

          Originally Posted by Hamida Harland View Post

          Plus there just isn't the same earning potential for freelance writers, even for those who ARE well paid (which seems to be relatively few).
          I wouldn't be too sure about that. Have you seen how many websites, blogs, books, magazines, press releases are being pumped out each day?

          We're talking millions of potential clients, and growing
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            I think I might be, as a writer of bestselling fiction.
            Yeah, for sure. What kind of fiction do you write?
            Almost none! I have one half-baked, half-sketched-out idea for a novel (a cross between "literary fiction" and "commercial fiction", I think) which may one day see the light of day, but I'm not exactly holding my breath. You?
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  • Profile picture of the author TomBuck
    Just getting into it, think it looks good. Only had a few offers so do not make much. I prefer residual income streams but sometimes you just want safe income I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

    I know this is a marketing forum, but over the years, I have noticed that there are a LOT of freelance writers that lurk around here ... or should I say, people that aspire to be freelance writers.

    Just out of interest, how many of you would be happy running your own freelance operation from home, either during or instead of affiliate/product marketing for commissions?
    I'm currently doing this and I love it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

      Just getting into it, think it looks good. Only had a few offers so do not make much. I prefer residual income streams but sometimes you just want safe income I think.
      That's it - safe income. I've learned many times before that you can't rely on one gig or one website, or one product alone.

      It's just too risky.

      Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post

      I'm currently doing this and I love it.
      Good to hear! Full time?
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      • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
        Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

        That's it - safe income. I've learned many times before that you can't rely on one gig or one website, or one product alone.

        It's just too risky.
        Exactly. I work for four websites on a regular basis and keep a couple of higher-paying private clients on the roster as well.

        Plus, if you do get fired from your single website, you're stunkered.

        So yes, far too risky.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
    Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

    I know this is a marketing forum, but over the years, I have noticed that there are a LOT of freelance writers that lurk around here ... or should I say, people that aspire to be freelance writers.

    Just out of interest, how many of you would be happy running your own freelance operation from home, either during or instead of affiliate/product marketing for commissions?
    Seeing as this is what I do a good portion of the time, PLUS I have been developing a small online business out of helping others do the same, I'd have to say I would, but with some reserve.

    1. It gets REALLY boring after a while. I feel great writing on Monday or Tuesday, but by the time Thursday and Friday roll around, I'm ready to rip out my hair.

    2. There's little recurring future in it. Half the reason I'm in part time IM is because I like the whole idea of making money in my sleep or on vacation. The money flow stops when my typing stops (with the exception of AdSense article sites).

    3. I don't know how long I can handle it. I've already got carpal tunnel, and some freelance friends and I have agreed that for a majority of the work we do, text-to-speech software doesn't seem to cut it. So I don't see it as a long-term solution.

    4. My creativity is only going to last so long. Working for different clients with different needs and creativity thresholds is eventually going to catch up with me.

    All in all, I love my job and the fact that I can stay home on a day like today where a fatal accident just took place a few miles away due to the nasty snow storm we're experiencing.

    But I realize I can't go on like this forever - IM is definitely the better option in many respects.
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    I wouldn't mind but I would prefer passive
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    • Profile picture of the author notrichyet
      Although I enjoy being a freelance writer, I would like to have my eggs in more than one basket. If I were to become sick or unable to work, those passive forms of income would still be rolling in. I agree with what others have said about passive income and multiple streams of income. Diversity is a good thing when it comes to paying the bills.

      Even if freelance writing isn't your cup of tea, there is one aspect of being a freelance writer that I don't believe has already been mentioned. EDUCATION. By writing for successful marketers you are getting an inside look at their campaigns, the keywords they use and how they want things laid out. This is extremely eye opening and really helpful when building your own sites and income funnels. I've learned so much by writing for other people that I have created a list of things I'm going to change on my own sites. I've also had some new clients that are just starting out that have asked for outrageous keyword density and I've been able to steer them in the right direction. I guess the aspect of freelance writing that I enjoy the most is interacting with people.

      So after all of that if you're asking if I could be strictly a freelance writer, then my answer would be yes, but at the same time I still enjoy the marketing side of making money online.
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    I certainly would love that as an income stream. Who wouldn't?
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    • Profile picture of the author shadow_wolf013
      Notrichyet summed up how i look at it too. I like writing, and so far ive been able to cover all my needs by doing it. But the real gain is in the knowledge you can take away from each project.

      Esspecially if you start building a solid relationship with your clients (like you should be) there's alot to be learned to build your own passive income just from learning by what others are doing, and by talking with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author donhx
    I've got all the writing academic degrees and experience, but writing for IM is a tough game. I would say the problem is that too many IMers are working on a tight budget and want cheap, not good. Many do not know good when they see it. Writing is far more than putting words on the screen.

    I have made a comfortable living as a freelance writer for decades. It's good. The key thing is that to make it, you must be versatile and able to write everything from brochures to books. Also, if you want a regular cashflow, you need to be a juggler and have 3-5 projects going all the time, with many more in the pipeline.
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    • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
      If someone offered $50 an hour to write for 8 hours a day, I'll gladly jump at the opportunity. But on the Internet with people offering their services for as little as $1 for 100 words, these chances are probably more harder to come by then in the offline Market.

      I have a published writer who writes some content for my sites and I am paying her $1 for 100 words. The quality of her work is out of the world and in some ways it is a little sad supply and demand is at a level where one can pay someone 'envelope stuffing' wages.
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      • Profile picture of the author notrichyet
        Originally Posted by wilsonm View Post

        If someone offered $50 an hour to write for 8 hours a day, I'll gladly jump at the opportunity. But on the Internet with people offering their services for as little as $1 for 100 words, these chances are probably more harder to come by then in the offline Market.

        I have a published writer who writes some content for my sites and I am paying her $1 for 100 words. The quality of her work is out of the world and in some ways it is a little sad supply and demand is at a level where one can pay someone 'envelope stuffing' wages.
        I think you may be looking at it from the wrong point of view, if you can only write and type 300 words per hour, then yes that would be considered pretty cheap. But lets say for example, that she can write and type 3000 words per hour. There are many people making a living on $30 dollars an hour. Just my thoughts...

        Cheers!
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      • Profile picture of the author JonWebContent
        Originally Posted by wilsonm View Post

        If someone offered $50 an hour to write for 8 hours a day, I'll gladly jump at the opportunity. But on the Internet with people offering their services for as little as $1 for 100 words, these chances are probably more harder to come by then in the offline Market.

        I have a published writer who writes some content for my sites and I am paying her $1 for 100 words. The quality of her work is out of the world and in some ways it is a little sad supply and demand is at a level where one can pay someone 'envelope stuffing' wages.
        That's the thing right there, offline marketing = higher sales than online. I would never work for $1 per 100 words. You can't earn a living doing. But you would be surprised how many people ONLINE will pay 2x-5x that.

        Personally, I love to market locally and it's always going to be my main technique because I love to actually meet with my clients. And I'm weird in that I enjoy taking flyers and walking B2B and speaking with business owners. Now, today kinda sucked because we're having a freakin' blizzard, but I did pick up a GREAT lead.

        For the most part, the people you market to offline will be more willing to pay you at least 25% more than they would from someone they found online for the same services.
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
    I absolutely love my freelance business. It supports me for the most part. I work as a server on weekends just for a little extra cash for spending, but my business pays all my bills and covers my savings. It also allows me the freedom to go where I want whenever I want and take it with me. This freedom is what I am in it for and hopefully if I can get a few more regular clients I can drop the serving job and really just be in business for myself from home.

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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by notrichyet View Post

      Even if freelance writing isn't your cup of tea, there is one aspect of being a freelance writer that I don't believe has already been mentioned. EDUCATION. By writing for successful marketers you are getting an inside look at their campaigns, the keywords they use and how they want things laid out.
      And of course, potential partners

      Originally Posted by JackPowers View Post

      I know some affiliate marketers with degrees in journalism who have done very well for themselves. As a journalist, you learn how to write, research, but also keep an eye on what's moving and that's very important as well in IM.

      On the other hand, there's a lot of successful IM'ers in affiliate marketing making money from a technical background such as programming, math or other science education. Those often go into SEO.

      Then again, some IM'ers just seem to be excellent marketers and salespeople in their own right - there's video now - you don't even need to be able to write anymore.

      What I'm getting at is that there are many entries into internet marketing and all can be profitable.
      Which goes to show that you actually do need a brain to get ahead with this stuff, despite what the boobroos tell you.

      Originally Posted by wilsonm View Post

      If someone offered $50 an hour to write for 8 hours a day, I'll gladly jump at the opportunity. But on the Internet with people offering their services for as little as $1 for 100 words, these chances are probably more harder to come by then in the offline Market.
      Not necessarily. Content is content. The difference is only in your target audience.

      For example, you'll never sell a burger from your stall in the street, in the middle of a posh suburban area of town, next door to a 2 michelin star Gordon Ramsey restaurant.

      These people want quality - and can afford it - and know why they want it - and can tell the difference.

      However, take your burger stall to the car park of a football match on a Sunday afternoon, and you'll sell out before the final whistle.

      It's horses for courses, and I know which race I'd rather be running in.
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