US Seizes Websites Worldwide for Evil Linking

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Last year the United States Department of Homeland Security seized almost 100 websites for either selling counterfeit / pirated goods, or for linking to such websites.

The US has begun seizing more domains worldwide that linked to sites that planned to illegally live stream the Super Bowl.

Key points:

* No court order was obtained last year. Today there was at least a court order.

* "Planned" to commit the piracy. For those who know a little bit about US 1st Amendment Rights, this is called a Prior Restraint - which is almost never upheld by the courts.

* Just linking was sufficient. You didn't need to "plan" to conduct any actual piracy yourself. Just linked to someone who planned to commit an illegal act.

From the US Department of Justice:

"The websites seized yesterday were popular "linking" sites – a type of website that provides access, or "links," to other websites where pirated sporting and Pay-Per-View events are
hosted."

* US extends its reach worldwide.

* Google gets a free pass.
#evil #linking #seizes #websites #worldwide
  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I was going to comment on your thread, but I cannot do so without going political....

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    • Profile picture of the author ReportKing
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      • Profile picture of the author Theory5
        How can they seize domains worldwide? If they seize domains that are not in the US, arn't they going out of their jurisdiction?
        And why is DHS seizing domains? I thought the FBI took care of internet stuff.

        "Manhattan U.S. Attorney PREET BHARARA said: "The
        illegal streaming of professional sporting events over the
        Internet deals a financial body blow to the leagues and
        broadcasters who are forced to pass their losses off to fans by
        raising prices for tickets and pay-per-view events."
        Thats bull, in fact that is so bull that less than a ziplock of it could fertilize my neighbors garden for a year. Seriously. Any business worth its salt has a margin for losing goods, whether to damage, or robbery. This is just an excuse to ream sports fans out even more. I guess they will now need to provide those blow-up donuts for every person attending the superbowl to sit on.
        Its things like this that made me loose faith in the US government.
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        • Profile picture of the author spearce000
          Originally Posted by Theory5 View Post

          How can they seize domains worldwide?
          If they're registered with a US based registrar like GoDaddy or NameCheap it would be quite easy.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by spearce000 View Post

            If they're registered with a US based registrar like GoDaddy or NameCheap it would be quite easy.
            godaddy and namecheap aren't regstries. They only have LIMITED access to LIMITED LTDs!

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    • Profile picture of the author cosmoslad
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      I was going to comment on your thread, but I cannot do so without going political....

      So I will say it without actually saying it...

      Sounds like *** *** ***** ***** is in full swing. *** **** ******* *********** seems to have been ***** **** ******* over an ********** ********** by *** **** *********...

      Oh noes...
      Yeah, what tpw said.
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      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      I was going to comment on your thread, but I cannot do so without going political....

      So I will say it without actually saying it...

      Sounds like *** *** ***** ***** is in full swing. *** **** ******* *********** seems to have been ***** **** ******* over an ********** ********** by *** **** *********...

      Oh noes...
      I'm reporting this. I don't know what you said, but it must be bad.
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I'm reporting this. I don't know what you said, but it must be bad.
        It's just "spun content", I think. Bill doesn't like to criticise stuff without trying it out for himself, you know?
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        • Profile picture of the author WilsonJ
          Sounds like SOPA bill..It is still in the process of hearing though but if implemented then the whole scenario can be bleaker than what we see now
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      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      I was going to comment on your thread, but I cannot do so without going political....

      So I will say it without actually saying it...

      Sounds like *** *** ***** ***** is in full swing. *** **** ******* *********** seems to have been ***** **** ******* over an ********** ********** by *** **** *********...
      Can't argue with that.


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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        We want total freedom - unless someone is stealing OUR stuff.

        Isn't that the real problem in the end? I've seen many threads here claiming if you have a site located outside the U.S. - you can do anything you want with impunity. These are matched with threads asking how to issue a DMCA to prevent theft of property.

        The same people who scream if a site is stealing their visitors or profits will visit one of the piracy sites to get something for free and see nothing wrong with doing that.

        I don't like govt interference in business - but this seems to be an annual "protect profits" attempt by ICE. Why is it shocking that a govt that limits piracy by its own people would not "attempt" to shut down pirating sites streamed into the country? (keyword = "attempt")

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        • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          We want total freedom - unless someone is stealing OUR stuff.

          kay
          The problem with freedom is that when you have it you have to protect it - which requires power. You know what they say about power corrupting.
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      Originally Posted by tpw View Post


      Sounds like the new world order is in full swing.
      No prizes for spotting that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

    Today the US began seizing more domains worldwide that planned to illegally live stream the Super Bowl, or were linking to such sites.
    Emphasis added.

    That's the bit that bugs me. Let's say John Doe has a blog, and I link to it. Maybe I link to him quite often because he has good stuff.

    Now, what happens to me when either of the following occur:

    1) It turns out John Doe was stealing his content from somewhere else.

    2) John Doe gets out of blogging and some shady outfit buys his domain and starts selling illegal goods.
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    • Profile picture of the author AnitaCross
      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

      Emphasis added.

      That's the bit that bugs me. Let's say John Doe has a blog, and I link to it. Maybe I link to him quite often because he has good stuff.

      Now, what happens to me when either of the following occur:

      1) It turns out John Doe was stealing his content from somewhere else.

      2) John Doe gets out of blogging and some shady outfit buys his domain and starts selling illegal goods.
      I'm guessing it will depend on how much money is in the equation.

      Also, it may be related to the anchor text and surrounding content.

      So as long as your content and link aren't about viewing an illegal live stream of the Super Bowl, you'll probably be safe.

      (As Dan knows, I'm not a lawyer. I don't even play one on tv. The above opinion should not be consulted when making decisions about your business. Consult a real lawyer. Like kindsvater.)

      :p

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      P.S. LOL... I was composing this while kindsvater was posting the above...
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    "Manhattan U.S. Attorney PREET BHARARA said: "The
    illegal streaming of professional sporting events over the
    Internet deals a financial body blow to the leagues and
    broadcasters who are forced to pass their losses off to fans by
    raising prices for tickets and pay-per-view events."
    Now you know why Super Bowl tickets cost so much. And why your cable bill is so high.

    Or that's just B.S. to satisfy those not engaged in critical thinking.

    Or maybe he thought the Super Bowl is a Pay Per View event?

    Big lesson: if you have a website that talks about and links to where someone can obtain copyrighted material, you may want to rethink that website.

    Not that I really expect the US Government to give the same amount of attention to those sites offering and linking to illegal downloads of WSOs - but it would be nice.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Big lesson: if you have a website that talks about and links to where someone can obtain copyrighted material, you may want to rethink that website.
      What if they purport to have permission to do so? Do I have to make sure that a site is the copyright holder of their content or that they have permission to place material on their website before I link to them?

      What about linking (not embedding) videos on YouTube? Am I responsible if the uploader did not have permission to upload the video?

      Do I need to get site owners to sign contracts assuring me that they are the copyright holder of their content or have permission to publish their content before I link to them?

      It seems to me to be a real slippery slope here. Once you start holding people liable for content they do not host themselves but simply link to, it just goes straight downhill from there.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      "Manhattan U.S. Attorney PREET BHARARA said: "The
      illegal streaming of professional sporting events over the
      Internet deals a financial body blow to the leagues and
      broadcasters who are forced to pass their losses off to fans by
      raising prices for tickets and pay-per-view events."
      Now you know why Super Bowl tickets cost so much. And why your cable bill is so high.

      Or that's just B.S. to satisfy those not engaged in critical thinking.

      Or maybe he thought the Super Bowl is a Pay Per View event?

      Big lesson: if you have a website that talks about and links to where someone can obtain copyrighted material, you may want to rethink that website.

      Not that I really expect the US Government to give the same amount of attention to those sites offering and linking to illegal downloads of WSOs - but it would be nice.
      The people that run those games and all charge ever high prices because the players want more. The amount the could be making off licensing their logo boggles the mind! And MANY that pirate would NOT have paid!

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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    That's the bit that bugs me. Let's say John Doe has a blog, and I link to it. Maybe I link to him quite often because he has good stuff.

    Now, what happens to me when either of the following occur:

    1) It turns out John Doe was stealing his content from somewhere else.

    2) John Doe gets out of blogging and some shady outfit buys his domain and starts selling illegal goods..
    I'm sure somebody looks at your links and at the actual site to determine the nature and purpose of the link.

    If you were linking to John Doe promoting his free Superbowl feed, you may be in trouble but if you were linking to the knitted kitty sweaters post on the same site I don't think the Feds are going to raid your house and take your assets over it.

    As fun as it is to bash the government, they aren't all Simple Jack.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Brian,
      Or maybe he thought the Super Bowl is a Pay Per View event?
      Actually, he thinks that cutting down ad revenues from the broadcast networks by pirating the signal motivates the league to raise prices elsewhere. Whether that's an accurate argument isn't something I could comment on.

      Not that I like the idea of the government stepping in and pre-emptively shutting down sites like this, mind you. There are a lot of very compelling reasons to not allow it. Just thought I'd point out where you may have misparsed that one sentence.

      Of course, I may have, too.


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    That's pretty messed up
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  • Profile picture of the author candoit2
    Someone spams your site for a profile link or blog comment and now you are linking to them....how can they know if the site owner knows there is a link going to the site or that the content is the same as when the site owner originally linked to that site?

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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      The Internet is provided courtesy of the US government. They retain control over the DNS structure, so they are permitted to seize any domain registered for any reason, at any time, without court order.

      Just like the govt can revoke your driver's license, the feds can revoke your domain, no matter where you live or host your domain.

      It is just a case of "they seldom do, unless they can legitimately justify it."
      If that's true, why don't they revoke the domains of sites that belong to enemies of the US, or sites that pedophiles frequent?
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      • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        If that's true, why don't they revoke the domains of sites that belong to ... sites that pedophiles frequent?
        Back when Clinton was President I asked a US Attorney this question. He told me they had instructions to focus their resources elsewhere.

        A decade later - apparently large corporate copyright interests, such as the NFL, are still more important.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
          Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

          Back when Clinton was President I asked a US Attorney this question. He told me they had instructions to focus their resources elsewhere.

          A decade later - apparently large corporate copyright interests, such as the NFL, are still more important.
          I am a ******** with copyright interests. If **** are going to ***** my *** ******* to go after sites that ******** upon the copyrights of the *** and other large corporate interests, who are in a better position to sue for copyright infringements than small companies and individuals, they should ****** those who ******* my copyrights with the same ********* and *****. Large corporate interests should not have better *********** under the *** than do I.
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      • Profile picture of the author davezan
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        If that's true, why don't they revoke the domains of sites that belong to enemies of the US, or sites that pedophiles frequent?
        Actually, they sometimes do. What they usually do is tell the registrar that X
        site is violating Y law and to handle it themselves...or they'll do it for them.

        Rather than risk losing the ability to do business, usually the registrar shuts it
        down and deals with it later, or tells the domain holder to move it elsewhere in
        a few days or risk losing it. We've rarely done those in my ex-registrar life, but
        we prefer the latter to at least have some form of so-called goodwill.

        Originally Posted by Theory5 View Post

        And besides, aren't domains and websites property of their owners?
        Unfortunately no for domains, especially when your registrar's contract defines
        that. Have a look at yours or others, and you'll find they're all the same.

        While the internet is borderless, the hardware and software used to handle all
        that are material assets subject to the laws of where they're located.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        If that's true, why don't they revoke the domains of sites that belong to enemies of the US, or sites that pedophiles frequent?
        They do when they can
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  • Profile picture of the author Theory5
    The Internet is provided courtesy of the US government. They retain control over the DNS structure, so they are permitted to seize any domain registered for any reason, at any time, without court order.

    Just like the govt can revoke your driver's license, the feds can revoke your domain, no matter where you live or host your domain.

    It is just a case of "they seldom do, unless they can legitimately justify it."
    So you are saying that if they wanted to, they could remove the DNS servers? Nope. Maybe in the 90's but today the internet is everywhere. If the feds revoked the DNS structure, private, local DNS servers would just start popping up. They are pretty easy to make too. The internet has gone beyond the control of any one person or entity including the US government.
    Besides, the DNS structure is in the RFC's.

    And besides, aren't domains and websites property of their owners?
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      • Profile picture of the author Theory5
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        My understanding is yes, by virtue on paying your registration fees to the govt., via a domain registrar.

        But the govt can rescind your license at any time.

        Of course, I am not a lawyer, so I may be blowing smoke out my butt.
        from my understanding, registration fees are just like taxes.
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    • Profile picture of the author netkid
      I agree in that there are way too many outlets for the internet, more than any one entity can stop 100%. Maybe back 10 years ago, but today there are just too many distribution points.

      The case in Egpyt, where the internet was almost completely shut down, they didn't have enough widespread infrastructure in place like the US has now. That's why their country alomost got shut down temporarily.

      What I fear is if I buy 1,000 backlinks from some reputable company, how do I know if all those links aren't linked to or from an evil link and gets me shut down?
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    • Profile picture of the author edlewis
      Here is one of the domains seized - This domain name has been seized by ICE - Homeland Security Investigations

      It's a very well-known, possibly the MOST well-known, site of it's kind.

      They stream TV and sporting events thru their site by using sites like UStream, Justin.tv, and other similar sites to stream the events, and then link to the streams via the Atdhe.net site.

      The site was very simple and seemed to be supported mainly thru click-based advertsing, not Adsense though as they would ban a site like this....but other networks with models similar to that.
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      • Profile picture of the author yohoho
        Originally Posted by edlewis View Post

        Here is one of the domains seized - removed since I can't post links - It's a very well-known, possibly the MOST well-known, site of it's kind.
        They stream TV and sporting events thru their site by using sites like UStream, Justin.tv, and other similar sites to stream the events, and then link to the streams via the Atdhe.net site.
        The site was very simple and seemed to be supported mainly thru click-based advertsing, not Adsense though as they would ban a site like this....but other networks with models similar to that.
        Well there was another well known site until just before the Superbowl last year, the largest one I believe, channelsurfing dot net. It covered every sporting event you could think of for years. Days before the Superbowl last year the same Ice warnings appeared. It had not worked since.

        After reading stuff here I typed that domain into Google and was surprised at what I saw in the very first position. It is basically a note from their old domain pointing to their new domain. So, I figured I would drop on by. You might want to check your Atdhe.net in Google.

        BTW, I would never send anyone to a site with viruses or malware. I spent a great deal of time checking the site I give you below (but never even tried the Atdhe.net site) and scanning the payload offered with fully updated AVG, Malwarebytes, and SuperAntiSpyware. NOTE: no matter what I say you should do the same. Don't fear downloading the file to test it. But never run it until you are certin. I am sure most people know this so I am saying it for anyone who might not. Everything checks out fine here. The payload is apparently a well know media file. It appears when you click on the media player on the bottom of the screen. I believe it is only necessary for music listening. I installed and removed it with no problems.

        OK, so the new domain is channelsurfing dot ws and appears active but lacking in content, though that may be a time of day thing, early morning here. I could not get anything working but did not try very hard as I am too busy to play with it any longer. There is a plugin needed but I passed on it.

        I posted this not to aid pirating but to point out that the U.S. does not really control the whole world as some people think. Humans are resourceful a will eventually find a way around just about anything. Let's see if the U.S. has any influence over this Samoa top level domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Bill,
    Of course, I am not a lawyer, so I may be blowing smoke out my butt.
    Ummm... "Is that a cigarette in your pocket, or is your wallet on fire?"

    The Internet was never a US government project. The earliest things that developed into it were a project of DARPA, but that's long since passed. No government "owns" the Internet, and only a few have any significant direct ownership of the pipes or iron that comprise the thing.


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    • Profile picture of the author Vic Carrara
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Bill,Ummm... "Is that a cigarette in your pocket, or is your wallet on fire?"

      The Internet was never a US government project. The earliest things that developed into it were a project of DARPA, but that's long since passed. No government "owns" the Internet, and only a few have any significant direct ownership of the pipes or iron that comprise the thing.


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  • Profile picture of the author brandon2664
    In five years you will probably need a permit to own a website. Our government becomes more intrusive every day. The best government is that which governs the least.
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  • Profile picture of the author Carlsbadd
    I have watched NFL games on google blogger blogs hosting a simple script..

    People find a way to get stuff out, not saying right or wrong, I am kinda amazed at what people are able to to.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Another example of what a load of nonsense the "land of the free" is in reality.
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    • Profile picture of the author scottsheen
      Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

      Another example of what a load of nonsense the "land of the free" is in reality.
      I don't think "land of the free", being used in this context, means take what isn't mine and use it for profit. But I could be wrong. LOL.

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      • Profile picture of the author Zachmo
        Originally Posted by dnsg View Post

        Surprised Justin.tv survived the purge. I've always heard they were the worst. I know they host a lot of "legal" streams.
        Heard this. Zuffa filed lawsuit against Justin.tv for broadcasting live streamings of UFC.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Michael Milken View Post

      So, people are supposed to be free to rip each other off?

      Wow... Your comment made a lot of sense, until I realized that it was counter to the history of your namesake. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author AceOfShirts
    Surprised Justin.tv survived the purge. I've always heard they were the worst. I know they host a lot of "legal" streams.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Hear Gitmo is nice this time of year.

    Although with the hood, it does obstruct the view.:rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author AnitaCross
      Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

      Another example of what a load of nonsense the "land of the free" is in reality.
      My daddy use to say "your freedom ends where my nose begins."

      We have many rights in the "land of the free", but the "right to steal" has never been one of them.

      It's easy to see that one shouldn't walk into the neighbor's house, and help themselves to his tv, computer, fancy Nikes, even his food. It's not as easy to see something less tangible in the same light, at least for some. "If I can view it 'off the air' from my tv and record it on my vcr, doesn't it belong to me?"

      But theft is theft, whether it's a postage stamp from your employer, a car from your neighbors driveway, a pirated copy of software, or live streaming video of a copyrighted event.

      What this is an example of, is the selective enforcement of existing law based on the amount of money involved. It is just as illegal to provide free copies of a $7 WSO, but it's highly unlikely the powers-that-be will trouble themselves over what to them is a trivial amount of money. It's petty theft vs grand larceny and they don't have the resources to pursue them both.

      But if you don't like it, feel free to complain.

      Originally Posted by scottsheen View Post

      I don't think "land of the free", being used in this context, means take what isn't mine and use it for profit. But I could be wrong.
      I think you're spot on, Scott.

      Respectfully,
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  • Profile picture of the author hotftuna
    Web sites contain all kinds of links. Sig links, blog comment links etc.

    This is the reason why the business environment is so slow----

    Everyone is afraid to start a new business or expand an existing business because you never know when the government will come after you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin AKA Hubcap
      Does anyone find it weird that DHS is the lead agency and why can they shut the site down without a warrant?

      I just wonder if FBI procedures are more restrictive and wouldn't allow such an easy go of it.

      I think we all need to be concerned about this not from as much a marketing point of view put trying to keep hold of the remaining liberties we have.
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      • Profile picture of the author davezan
        Originally Posted by Kevin AKA Hubcap View Post

        Does anyone find it weird that DHS is the lead agency and why can they shut the site down without a warrant?
        DHS isn't doing this directly, but through their dedicated "sub office" ICE. It's
        on their site ice.gov to learn more about what and how they do, and their PR
        indicated they got search warrants for those 10 sites discussed here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Fulger
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      My understanding is yes, by virtue on paying your registration fees to the govt., via a domain registrar.

      But the govt can rescind your license at any time.

      Of course, I am not a lawyer, so I may be blowing smoke out my butt.
      I believe your understanding is incorrect and there is a cloud of smoke trailing behind you.

      Just take a look at the TOS of your registrar to be enlightened. The gov't doesn't own your domain and neither do you. You are basically leasing it and your registrar can revoke it from you when/if they see fit. Each TOS is slightly different but I'd imagine they all usage similar terminology notifying you that you aren't really the "OWNER" of your domain and that it "CAN" be revoked by them under certain circumstances and/or whenever they see fit at their sole discretion, etc.

      I'm no expert on the matter but I am SURE that we do NOT OWN our domains and neither does the Gov't.

      Originally Posted by hotftuna View Post

      Web sites contain all kinds of links. Sig links, blog comment links etc.

      This is the reason why the business environment is so slow----

      Everyone is afraid to start a new business or expand an existing business because you never know when the government will come after you.
      That is totally untrue my friend. You are speaking from a victim mindset and really should try to sort that out and turn it around.

      If you constantly expect bad things to happen in your life, you are only drawing them to yourself. But it is YOU using your own energy to bring these things into your life.

      The Gov't is NOT out to get you. They could care less about you.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Matt Fulger View Post

        I believe your understanding is incorrect and there is a cloud of smoke trailing behind you.

        Just take a look at the TOS of your registrar to be enlightened. The gov't doesn't own your domain and neither do you. You are basically leasing it and your registrar can revoke it from you when/if they see fit. Each TOS is slightly different but I'd imagine they all usage similar terminology notifying you that you aren't really the "OWNER" of your domain and that it "CAN" be revoked by them under certain circumstances and/or whenever they see fit at their sole discretion, etc.

        I'm no expert on the matter but I am SURE that we do NOT OWN our domains and neither does the Gov't.
        Actually, the TLDs ARE owned by the respective governments! In the US, those are, among others, com, net, edu, org, us, and gov. If CHINA wants a .com address, they have to deal with the US government. Of corse, they DO have their own .cn

        The names UNDER them are effectively owned by the registRY! I guess there are only like 3 registries. The government probably owns GOV, someone else probably ones ones under EDU and ORG, and verisign owns ones under NET and COM. Apparently, there is some kind of superadmin right given to some registrars, like godaddy, but they aren't the owner, tech, or admin.

        And the UDRP is supposed to control this, NOT some flimsy thing from the likes of Godaddy. That is from ICANN which basically licenses the control to all these guys.

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          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          Actually, the TLDs ARE owned by the respective governments! In the US, those are, among others, com, net, edu, org, us, and gov. If CHINA wants a .com address, they have to deal with the US government. Of corse, they DO have their own .cn
          True; anyone which thinks the US can somehow "seize" say, a .cn domain because it doesn't like the content on it is living in la-la land (and I would imagine the Chinese government might have something to say about it too ).

          (For what it's worth, within most individual countries, a website with a ccTLD for that country is quite often seen as being FAR more trustworthy than a .com, probably for the exact reason that makes .coms very popular among internet marketers in the first place (being that they can be cheaply registered by anyone anywhere, whereas ccTLD are usually confined to people who live in the particular country).)

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            Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

            within most individual countries, a website with a ccTLD for that country is quite often seen as being FAR more trustworthy than a .com
            Personally, I have only found this to be the case with .uk domains, but it's not like I did a massive study.
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  • Profile picture of the author zapseo
    The Internet was never a US government project. The earliest things that developed into it were a project of DARPA, but that's long since passed.
    Paul,

    You've got me curious. How is DARPA (or was DARPA) not a part of the US Government ?

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Judy,

      There's a distinction made there which isn't obvious. Note that I said the Internet wasn't, but that the earliest things that developed into it were.

      ARPAnet was not the Internet.


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    • Profile picture of the author rts2271
      DAARPA is certainly a gov agency it's a .mil.

      ICANN is the issue anyhow. Now ICANN is a US government proxy. If the US pulled out of the internet lets say tomorrow, everything would break because of root servers, arin and icann. The government certainly has a strong presence in it's day to day activities.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by rts2271 View Post

        DAARPA is certainly a gov agency it's a .mil.

        ICANN is the issue anyhow. Now ICANN is a US government proxy. If the US pulled out of the internet lets say tomorrow, everything would break because of root servers, arin and icann. The government certainly has a strong presence in it's day to day activities.
        Actually, that isn't right. If the government wanted to just pull out, I doubt that anyone would like them ripping the internet apart. OH, they COULD brake their own principles, and reissue the IP addresses, let's say, and break PART of the internet! They could tell the phone companies to violate millions of contracts, and pull the plugs, which would almost certainly BANKRUPT the phone companies and land them in court. They could break the law by forcing network solutions to pull out their servers, wiping out EVERY vestige of their business.

        But ICANN has *******NOTHING******* to do with normal ongoing internet operations, unless it is maybe gov, edu, or us. If they stopped doing ALL business, shut down ALL facilities, and subsidiaries, etc... HERE is what would happen.

        1. NO new IP addresses would be allocated. Nearly all IPv4 ones have already been allocated ANYWAY!
        2. NO changes would be made to existing law.
        3. NOBODY would be there to facilitate certain aspects of disputes.
        4. NOBODY would be there to facilitate agreements on new TLDs.
        5. The ICANN tax would no longer be charged.
        6. It would likely be harder to become a second tier registrar.
        7. Some registrars might be dropped.

        You could STILL register domain names, and use the internet, MOST of it at least. The idea that they actually manage day to day stuff is just wrong.

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          Mike,
          There's an enormous amount of misinformation about the Internet, its development and who did/controls what.
          [chuckle] That was true when I first got online, and it will probably be true when you and I are long gone from this mortal plane.

          Bunch of amateur Kibologists...

          Damn you, Mike! You got me started thinking about the "old" days, and the names Boursy, Vulis and Grubor came to mind. Now I have to dig out that container of brain bleach again.

          All Hell the Freedom Knights!


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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    I didn't look too deeply into this case, but I know that
    point out where to do some things illegally has long been
    against the law in some places.

    I know people in prison who are there because they
    casually told someone else where they could buy illegal
    drugs for example. The courts rule that "conspiracy."

    Merely having someone ask if you knew where they could
    make such a purchase, and you saying yes, and then telling
    them where was enough for a conviction.

    That sounded crazy to me... but it happens :-)

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    • Profile picture of the author rts2271
      Willie brings a good point that linking to a illegal activity isn't much different then telling someone when where and how to buy crack. It's a accessory crime. Beyond how it was done I doubt these guys have much of a leg to stand on in court.

      However I do think they deserve their day in court.
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    * US extends its reach worldwide.
    Except they can't. US jurisdiction stays within the territory of US.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrislangley
    It should come as no surprise, whenever there is a free powerful medium, the government will always regulate
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