I have no money, no contacts, no skills, no time. How can I...

by Nick Brighton 78 replies
Isn't it time there was a sticky in this forum, shaking people out of this downward dream spiral that is ruining people's lives, killing the industry and wasting everyone's time?

I am, of course, talking about the false expectation that you can land on a forum like this, and expect a genuine, applicable answer to the following question:

"I have no money, no contacts, no skills, no time. How can I make fast money today?"

Well let's see...

You can't.

Unless you're talking about selling stuff on eBay.

I'm sorry to break the bubble folks, but unless you have at least one of the above, then you either need to GET one or more of them, or you need to get a job.

I'm not saying you can't start a profitable online business pretty quickly, but it won't happen overnight if you don't have any money, time, skills, contacts.

You have to acquire these assets. It's like trying to take a road trip without fuel, or wheels.

I know it's a hard pill to swallow for the desperate, but it's the truth.

And let me save you wasting another year, and risk coming back here asking the same question in twelve months...

Start creating a plan, and start working on it.

Don't have skills? Learn them.

Don't have money? Save up.

Don't have time? Sell your Xbox (and use the money to fund your first basic website.)

Once you have these assets, make it part of your plan to build more assets, such as:

- traffic
- partnerships
- products
- email lists

If all this sounds too dull, and too much like hard work, then there's another popular forum where you can go and get rich overnight, by breaking laws, ruining lives, and detaching yourself of any moral compass for as long as it takes.

This is a marketing forum, not a work from home mummies forum. This is the place to learn marketing and business tactics, not fly by night envelope stuffing bull****, or quick cash methods that don't work as well as you're promised, and don't give you any kind of future security.

Time to get a grip. Just make sure you're grabbing the rope that is attached to a firm building... not the one that's made of pasta and tied around a three legged table.
#main internet marketing discussion forum #contacts #money #skills #time
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  • Profile picture of the author BarberShop
    But how can I make money now?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    So.....you're trying to tell me I can't make $1,000 by tomorrow without any work???? Dang you Nick.
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
      Even something as simple as selling stuff on Ebay takes some of the things listed.

      No money = no listing fees or no inventory. Drop shippers can be rough to find, easier to work with the wholesaler direct first before working out a drop shipping contract.

      No time = no time to set up the listings. If you sell the same stuff over and over you can work from a template. If you sell one-ofs you will be making a new listing each time.

      No skill = not too much of an issue here, though having done plenty of "one-of" listings myself, being able to do them fast can be a skill.

      Lots of truth in your post Nick.
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Al
    I know someone who just started Internet Marketing before Christmas and he's been sucked into all sorts. Everytime I see him he's discovered the latest secret and has bought THE best software or course.

    So far I think he's parted with over £20K and nothing to show for it ... not even a website!

    Personally I think he's just doing his apprenticeship (a more expensive one with personal coaching), like I did and like many other newbies will do ... they'll buy into the crap, false hopes and promises.

    Before realising it is ultimately business fundamentals ... providing a service, selling something people need, learning to follow-up and sell to them again.

    Getting traffic, working on conversion and creating customers.

    The downside is that many people don't make it through the apprenticeship and quit believing it all to be a hoax.

    Alan

    Of course there are the uber-intelligent here who see that sooner ... shame I wasn't one of them
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  • Profile picture of the author HigherPrThanGod
    Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

    Isn't it time there was a sticky in this forum, shaking people out of this downward dream spiral that is ruining people's lives, killing the industry and wasting everyone's time?

    I am, of course, talking about the false expectation that you can land on a forum like this, and expect a genuine, applicable answer to the following question:

    "I have no money, no contacts, no skills, no time. How can I make fast money today?"

    Well let's see...

    You can't.

    Unless you're talking about selling stuff on eBay.

    I'm sorry to break the bubble folks, but unless you have at least one of the above, then you either need to GET one or more of them, or you need to get a job.

    I'm not saying you can't start a profitable online business pretty quickly, but it won't happen overnight if you don't have any money, time, skills, contacts.

    You have to acquire these assets. It's like trying to take a road trip without fuel, or wheels.

    I know it's a hard pill to swallow for the desperate, but it's the truth.

    And let me save you wasting another year, and risk coming back here asking the same question in twelve months...

    Start creating a plan, and start working on it.

    Don't have skills? Learn them.

    Don't have money? Save up.

    Don't have time? Sell your Xbox (and use the money to fund your first basic website.)

    Once you have these assets, make it part of your plan to build more assets, such as:

    - traffic
    - partnerships
    - products
    - email lists

    If all this sounds too dull, and too much like hard work, then there's another popular forum where you can go and get rich overnight, by breaking laws, ruining lives, and detaching yourself of any moral compass for as long as it takes.

    This is a marketing forum, not a work from home mummies forum. This is the place to learn marketing and business tactics, not fly by night envelope stuffing bull****, or quick cash methods that don't work as well as you're promised, and don't give you any kind of future security.

    Time to get a grip. Just make sure you're grabbing the rope that is attached to a firm building... not the one that's made of pasta and tied around a three legged table.
    If they have no skills then they're probably in good shape and attractive, so they should be able to model. lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by BarberShop View Post

      But how can I make money now?
      Rob a bank. You'll have to get a bank loan to be able to buy the gun and the getaway car, but at least you won't have to pay that loan back, especially if you rob the bank you borrowed it from

      Originally Posted by Rose Anderson View Post

      So.....you're trying to tell me I can't make $1,000 by tomorrow without any work???? Dang you Nick.
      Originally Posted by Clintoc View Post

      Even something as simple as selling stuff on Ebay takes some of the things listed.

      No money = no listing fees or no inventory. Drop shippers can be rough to find, easier to work with the wholesaler direct first before working out a drop shipping contract.

      No time = no time to set up the listings. If you sell the same stuff over and over you can work from a template. If you sell one-ofs you will be making a new listing each time.

      No skill = not too much of an issue here, though having done plenty of "one-of" listings myself, being able to do them fast can be a skill.

      Lots of truth in your post Nick.
      Good point!

      Originally Posted by Big Al View Post

      I know someone who just started Internet Marketing before Christmas and he's been sucked into all sorts. Everytime I see him he's discovered the latest secret and has bought THE best software or course.

      So far I think he's parted with over £20K and nothing to show for it ... not even a website!

      Personally I think he's just doing his apprenticeship (a more expensive one with personal coaching), like I did and like many other newbies will do ... they'll buy into the crap, false hopes and promises.

      Before realising it is ultimately business fundamentals ... providing a service, selling something people need, learning to follow-up and sell to them again.

      Getting traffic, working on conversion and creating customers.

      The downside is that many people don't make it through the apprenticeship and quit believing it all to be a hoax.

      Alan

      Of course there are the uber-intelligent here who see that sooner ... shame I wasn't one of them
      This is true. I often think that if you haven't spent at least two or three grand learning the ropes, then you 'aint even in the running.

      Unless you're a freakin' marketing genius with killer instinct and unnaturally lucky.
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      • Profile picture of the author BarberShop
        Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

        Rob a bank. You'll have to get a bank loan to be able to buy the gun and the getaway car, but at least you won't have to pay that loan back, especially if you rob the bank you borrowed it from
        Well, which one? And does the car have to be 2 doors or 4 doors? This is hard. You need skills for this. Can you just explain adsense instead?
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      • Profile picture of the author David Louis Monk
        [QUOTE=Nick Brighton;3302558]Rob a bank. You'll have to get a bank loan to be able to buy the gun and the getaway car, but at least you won't have to pay that loan back, especially if you rob the bank you borrowed it from

        If you are going to rob a bank you might as well steal the gun and steal the car and make sure there is enough petrol in the tank. No money is invloved taking this route if you steal everything you need.

        Having a plan or a method is essential and the brains to carry it out.

        Of course you can have luck on your side which can cost you nothing. There is a certain amount of serendipity involved but if you have not got any time, then you have no time to pick up someone's lost coin off the pavement and go and buy a lottery ticket. With a little bit (or maybe a lot) of luck you can win the lottery and that would take no skill at all. You could ask someone to fill in the numbers if you cannot write.

        Anyone completely out of knowledge, luck, money, skills, and time I think has no chance! What else is there left to have? Just dreams, wishes and hopes which will never come to anything unless you can take some sort of action.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonWebContent
    I agree with you Nick, but as long as people create eBooks/products with headlines like "make $100k in your spare time online with no investment or effort", there will always be a sucker out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author donnan
    NO TIME....then you will never be able to make anything if you have no time for work.

    Maybe this is why you have NO MONEY and NO SKILL,

    Money is NOT a problem!
    Skill is NOT a problem!

    If you have a brain to learn then you can solve the problem to the 2 above, but if you have NO TIME. You haven't got a chance!
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
      Time can be replaced with money. Of course you have to have some time to invest in the creation of a system and the training of people who work that system. Just as you can spend your time to create that system to save your money. You could even pay to have someone create the sytem, as crazy as that sounds, and eliminate the time factor further.

      Skills can be learned, or bought, at a cost of time and/or money.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by donnan View Post

      NO TIME....then you will never be able to make anything if you have no time for work.

      Maybe this is why you have NO MONEY and NO SKILL,

      Money is NOT a problem!
      Skill is NOT a problem!

      If you have a brain to learn then you can solve the problem to the 2 above, but if you have NO TIME. You haven't got a chance!
      I completely agree. Having no money, no skills and no resources is fine, as long as you have the determination to learn and implement something new that will make you money. We all have to start somewhere, and it'd be unrealistic to assume that one already possesses all the characteristics and attributes needed to make money in IM.

      BUT the most egregious one is definitely having no time. If you have nothing, and don't even have time to learn and implement something new that will make you money, you have absolutely no business even asking about how to make money online.

      You might as well just buy a lottery ticket and hope to strike it big there, because you're essentially hoping to win the lottery! Even getting into the lottery requires money to buy a ticket, so what you're really asking for is a free handout.

      Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author pethanks
    Yes, I agree of what you have said in this thread. Thank you for encouraging me to rally work for my business.
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    • Profile picture of the author jglopez
      This is true! Thanks for sharing! For myself, I have none of the above yet as well. But I'm looking to build them slowly but surely over here at WF. So far I've begun writing online to earn and save some money which I can use to invest in another IM monetization methond. Probably CPA or blogging..
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  • Profile picture of the author bobsilber
    Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post



    Don't have time? Sell your Xbox (and use the money to fund your first basic website.)

    Don't make me sell my Xbox bro.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Bosen
    You can always sell your belongings on craigslist too, and ebay...

    But I don't like the attitude that you need to basically stop dreaming and thinking that you can't make money online

    The second you stop believing that one day you will make a lot of money online is the second you fail.

    If you don't believe you can do it, whats the point? You might as well work for a company that will give you your weekly paycheck.
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    • Profile picture of the author polrbearz
      I agree that we might need some kind of "sticky" to help new people manage their expectations. Sarah is right, though---we MUST not stop dreaming, either. That's where so much of the energy that can keep you moving forward will come from. It's also what generates some of your best insights and builds toward your ultimate unique contribution.

      There's really not a contradiction between these two apparent extremes. The right middle ground is to cherish dreams in the background of your mind while using most of your available time to cultivate one or more of the assets the OP spoke of. I don't know about you all but I learn best by doing--which means that I need some sort of "vehicle" that helps me move along on that middle ground. There's NOTHING like having something become truly natural---that's how we are able to take something like driving for granted as an instrument to achieve our other goals--rather than as a project unto itself.

      For me the years I've spend promoting ONE affliliate program through an unusual offline method has given me the grounding I need. When you get really familar with a single process, your mind naturally moves outward to related ideas--new programs, products and processes that are now within your comprehension. Without some kind of grounding, you just don't have any point of reference to help you make sense of all the "noise" out there.

      One of the posters in this thread suggested CPA programs or blogging as a good place to get that kind of grounding. I agree--use it as a "paid" internship that may allow you to build into more complex ambitions. (It may be low-paid but at least you are not PAYING to learn ---as in college or as with the fellow paying out 20,000 pounds since December:rolleyes

      Jason Fladlien suggests a high ratio of action to learning---at least one to one. He's right because I think that forces you to integrate ideas and knowledge as you go along---to continually "reground". Don't be discouraged by the apparent endless amount of knowledge that you wish you had a complete grasp of. So much of the "noise" is created by people who are marketing themselves or their product. Since that's also US to some extent we have to view it with a certain tolerance. But also discrimination--which only experience can give you. I read a post by a VERY experienced WF veteran---a productive product creator and marketer himself---who said that even he gets confused by the all the great new things that clamor for his attention. His solution--he usually only buys on recommendations from those he knows and trusts.

      My advice: Don't ever stop dreaming ! Just make it the "icing on the cake". The cake is learning and mastering one tool or skill at at time and getting plenty of practice in its application.
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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by Sarah Bosen View Post

      You can always sell your belongings on craigslist too, and ebay...

      But I don't like the attitude that you need to basically stop dreaming and thinking that you can't make money online

      The second you stop believing that one day you will make a lot of money online is the second you fail.

      If you don't believe you can do it, whats the point? You might as well work for a company that will give you your weekly paycheck.
      That's very true except there have been a lot of people coming to this forum looking for the "magic answer or bullet" that will solve all of their problems without having to have to work, or have any money or put in the time, or whatever it may be.

      They are dreaming the WRONG way and think that something should be just handed to them. They treat IM as a second rate thing that should be easy and not take any intestinal fortitude or money.
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  • Profile picture of the author donnan
    I think this is what's wrong with alot of the younger generation today. Many of them have been given everything their whole life and all of a sudden they are grown up and expect that everything is still going to be given to them and they won't or don't have to work for it.

    There are many parents out there that have bought their kids up with the attitude they are going to give their kids a better life then what they had. The problem here that I see in my day to day life is that parents didn't teach their children any work ethics or they didn't teach them to cook or clean or look after another. The parents seem to have forgotten what they learnt when they were young.

    Guiding children and preparing them to be hard working, adults seems to have been thrown out the door.
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
      Originally Posted by donnan View Post

      I think this is what's wrong with alot of the younger generation today. Many of them have been given everything their whole life and all of a sudden they are grown up and expect that everything is still going to be given to them and they won't or don't have to work for it.

      There are many parents out there that have bought their kids up with the attitude they are going to give their kids a better life then what they had. The problem here that I see in my day to day life is that parents didn't teach their children any work ethics or they didn't teach them to cook or clean or look after another. The parents seem to have forgotten what they learnt when they were young.

      Guiding children and preparing them to be hard working, adults seems to have been thrown out the door.
      Very true. Once you get past my generation things really hit the crapper. I got the work ethics from my parents, though they don't seem to follow me into my online ventures. I have held a job for nearly 10 years now, as grueling as it may be, simply to keep the family afloat. My IM profits have given us the little extra we need to keep chuggin along.

      Your statement is what I have noticed when we hire someone that is younger than me at work. Lazy as snot. Think they are the best. Then wonders why everyone laughs when they talk about how vital they are to the company.

      True story on the last one, had a kid who couldn't show up on time to save his life do this. What made things worse is that he felt like everything should be forgiven if he shows up for work early once a month and late the other 29 days.
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    • Profile picture of the author linkninja
      Hey Donnan,

      tried to PM you, but I'm too new,so the system wouldn't let me. Check your post - caninesavvy.com/commercial-diets-home-raw-diets

      looks like a code error halfway down the page.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mly2000
      Originally Posted by donnan View Post

      I think this is what's wrong with alot of the younger generation today. Many of them have been given everything their whole life and all of a sudden they are grown up and expect that everything is still going to be given to them and they won't or don't have to work for it.

      There are many parents out there that have bought their kids up with the attitude they are going to give their kids a better life then what they had. The problem here that I see in my day to day life is that parents didn't teach their children any work ethics or they didn't teach them to cook or clean or look after another. The parents seem to have forgotten what they learnt when they were young.

      Guiding children and preparing them to be hard working, adults seems to have been thrown out the door.
      WOA WOA WOA

      23 yr old here, i am part of this "young" generation you speak of mam,sir, watever you may be. not ALL of us was handed everything, as a matter of fact, i know quite a few ppl my age that have never had anything, no awesome 16th birthday car from mom and dad, no first apartment paid for them, i call BS to the kids that have that. It hurts you if your handed stuff, and not to say to much, but i am also a vet, as many ppl my age are, some of us, if not at least 50%, have worked our arses off for what we have.... now, to not completely blast you and make you mad, you are UNFORTUNATELY right about alot of ppl my age, and yes, it is pathetic.

      in light of other ppl saying you should pay 3 grand to get tutoring, i paid 4, i have learned more by MYSELF, than that 4000 dollar coach taught me, my fault for trusting some stupid company to teach me. and within a week, i got suckered by one of those "get rich fast" schemes, thankfully, i am a fast learner.

      cutting myself short...
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  • Profile picture of the author zigato
    And all those IM gurus say that anyone can make money instantly... darn it!

    But seriously, everything takes its time... nobody learned to ride a bicycle without someone's assistance and/or training wheels instantly. Good practice makes perfect.
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  • Profile picture of the author donnan
    Don't fall for the hype from the so-called guru's. They suck people in to buy their hype. People soon find out, that to make money it takes work and effort, consistency and patience.

    It's a hard lesson to learn that clever marketing and some specially chosen words can convince even an educated mind to part with their dollars to buy something that promises quick riches for little or no work. Users are then sad to find out it just doesn't happen like it's promised. Der, they saw you coming!

    Some times you just have to GET A JOB!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gren Bingham
    Well .... you could start a boy-band or girl-band as appropriate, then write up your experience in 15 pages and sell it as a WSO?????

    Best regards, Gren.

    Yes, I agree with your gripes, but often people have to get burned to understand what hot means :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author RhondaG
      The original post was pretty straight forward, however it was also true. People want to make money fast, and there is nothing wrong with that, but it usually doesn't happen.

      I know that 13 months ago I quit my job to work from home, thinking that within six months I'd be rolling in money. Did I make some money? Yes, but not very much at first. What I did accomplish is this. I learned a heck of a lot, paid my dues, worked 8 hours or more a day without pay, and kept going.

      Now Things are good, I'm making some money and realize that building a business takes a lot of time. There is a learning curve we all have to go through.

      The only people that can make $30,000 in 48 hours are guru's that already have a giant mailing list in place, and a new product or joint venture to blast out. If you have 10,000 people on your mailing list you can make a lot of money with just one mailing.

      So, instead of complaining, we all need to build our list, or work what other business plan we have. We will all get there, it just may be on a different highway.
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    • Profile picture of the author GlobalTrader
      Amen Nick!

      Man you hit the nail on the head. I especially liked the admonition to "sell stuff on ebay" and a follow up comment about using craigslist if you cannot afford the listing fees which by the way ebay gives you 5 per month that you can list for free (or did the last time I checked).

      If you dont have anything to sell, ask your parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, friends, neighbors but most of all get off you dead a** and do something.

      Selling stuff on ebay is the BEST way that I recommend to anyone to get some REAL world experience in doing business, dealing with customers, learning about shipping etc. etc..

      My first question to someone who would tell me they have no time and follow it up with "no money" would be, then what the he** are you doing with your time? Sleeping? Playing video games??

      Last time I went through the drive thru window at my local McDonald's they had a help wanted ad on the window. No it isn't beneath you or anyone else to work at Micky D's. I worked shoveling horse sh*t from horse stables 30 years ago to keep food on the table. Get up off of it and get on with it!
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    I only have skills and I'm making money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I won't mention any names (not cool) but today I got an email from one of
      my coaching students who said he was dropping out.

      His reason..."I expected some magic pixie dust."

      And this is in spite of the fact that I clearly stated on the sales page for
      the coaching class that I was going to work them into the ground.

      Nick, this is human nature and neither you or I or anybody on this planet is
      going to change it.

      All a sticky is going to do is waste valuable space on a forum that deserves
      better.
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    • Profile picture of the author developyourlife
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      I only have skills and I'm making money.
      Awesome. He said you needed at least one.
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    ...Did he really say pixie dust...?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by WillDL View Post

      ...Did he really say pixie dust...?
      That was the exact quote. At least I'm pretty sure. I can go back and
      check the email if I still have it.

      ** EDIT **

      Okay, the exact quote was "I was looking for some magic pixie dust"
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  • Profile picture of the author Isaiah Jackson
    Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

    Isn't it time there was a sticky in this forum, shaking people out of this downward dream spiral that is ruining people's lives, killing the industry and wasting everyone's time?

    I am, of course, talking about the false expectation that you can land on a forum like this, and expect a genuine, applicable answer to the following question:

    "I have no money, no contacts, no skills, no time. How can I make fast money today?"

    Well let's see...

    You can't.

    Unless you're talking about selling stuff on eBay.

    I'm sorry to break the bubble folks, but unless you have at least one of the above, then you either need to GET one or more of them, or you need to get a job.

    I'm not saying you can't start a profitable online business pretty quickly, but it won't happen overnight if you don't have any money, time, skills, contacts.

    You have to acquire these assets. It's like trying to take a road trip without fuel, or wheels.

    I know it's a hard pill to swallow for the desperate, but it's the truth.

    And let me save you wasting another year, and risk coming back here asking the same question in twelve months...

    Start creating a plan, and start working on it.

    Don't have skills? Learn them.

    Don't have money? Save up.

    Don't have time? Sell your Xbox (and use the money to fund your first basic website.)

    Once you have these assets, make it part of your plan to build more assets, such as:

    - traffic
    - partnerships
    - products
    - email lists

    If all this sounds too dull, and too much like hard work, then there's another popular forum where you can go and get rich overnight, by breaking laws, ruining lives, and detaching yourself of any moral compass for as long as it takes.

    This is a marketing forum, not a work from home mummies forum. This is the place to learn marketing and business tactics, not fly by night envelope stuffing bull****, or quick cash methods that don't work as well as you're promised, and don't give you any kind of future security.

    Time to get a grip. Just make sure you're grabbing the rope that is attached to a firm building... not the one that's made of pasta and tied around a three legged table.
    lts possible if you had the right tools but to do it right now would be kind of pushing it like make money right now
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    The internet is like a source of....well, basically EVERYTHING. I have a friend who only owns a high school diploma and came across a site one day that sells lingerie around the United States. Considering the equivalence of cost and quality of the products, she began doing research on how to manufacture stuff from china, where everything is much cheaper but not necessarily poorly-made. lets just put it this way: now she owns 2 houses in both china and America. .
    But amen to most of the things you stated: You gotta find your interests and acquire what the 'flow' is nowadays. of course it will take your time and effort but it certainly doesnt require a high degree from school.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Sarah Bosen View Post

      You can always sell your belongings on craigslist too, and ebay...

      But I don't like the attitude that you need to basically stop dreaming and thinking that you can't make money online

      The second you stop believing that one day you will make a lot of money online is the second you fail.

      If you don't believe you can do it, whats the point? You might as well work for a company that will give you your weekly paycheck.
      Sure. There's NOTHING wrong with dreaming. But if you think reality even comes close to the dream, you're mistaken. Sure, you get the same end results, but in reality, you can't walk on water and you most definitely feel pain.

      The problem is, there's a chasm between a dreamer and an ambitious go-getter with a dream. I'm talking about the former here, not the latter.


      Originally Posted by donnan View Post

      I think this is what's wrong with alot of the younger generation today. Many of them have been given everything their whole life and all of a sudden they are grown up and expect that everything is still going to be given to them and they won't or don't have to work for it.
      Let me tell you, age has nothing to do with it. A lot of more mature people will have bigger chips on their shoulder, more cynicism, more emotional luggage and more preconceived, harmful notions that have been imprinted into their belief system by the media and marketing for dozens of years.

      I agree, younger kids have a more entitlement mindset in general than the previous generation, but that also gives them the idea that they deserve to succeed too.

      It works both ways.

      Originally Posted by Gren Bingham View Post


      Yes, I agree with your gripes, but often people have to get burned to understand what hot means :-)
      I agree, but what gets my goat is that the people doing the burning are ruining it for the entire restaurant industry, not just their own kitchen.

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


      Nick, this is human nature and neither you or I or anybody on this planet is
      going to change it.
      I disagree, respectfully Steve. Did you ever hear the story about the little girl who was forced to grow up in solitary confinement, being fed like a dog, around other dogs?

      She walked on all fours, howled for her dinner, and ate from a bowl. Eventually, she was taught to speak basic words, and walk on two feet.

      It sounds like a sick joke, but it's a true - and tragic - story of cruelty.

      The point being, human nature is hugely misunderstood. We are creatures of behaviour, and behavior comes from our environment.

      Of course we all want the shortest path, the least resistance. But we all have the ability to rationalize, take responsibility, use common sense and grow up.

      If we didn't, then why aren't YOU jumping over all the latest get rich quick schemes? After all, you're human aren't you?

      Surely, if it was human nature, then you too would be succumbed into such fairy tales and fantasy every day, right?
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

        Sure. There's NOTHING wrong with dreaming. But if you think reality even comes close to the dream, you're mistaken. Sure, you get the same end results, but in reality, you can't walk on water and you most definitely feel pain.

        The problem is, there's a chasm between a dreamer and an ambitious go-getter with a dream. I'm talking about the former here, not the latter.




        Let me tell you, age has nothing to do with it. A lot of more mature people will have bigger chips on their shoulder, more cynicism, more emotional luggage and more preconceived, harmful notions that have been imprinted into their belief system by the media and marketing for dozens of years.

        I agree, younger kids have a more entitlement mindset in general than the previous generation, but that also gives them the idea that they deserve to succeed too.

        It works both ways.



        I agree, but what gets my goat is that the people doing the burning are ruining it for the entire restaurant industry, not just their own kitchen.



        I disagree, respectfully Steve. Did you ever hear the story about the little girl who was forced to grow up in solitary confinement, being fed like a dog, around other dogs?

        She walked on all fours, howled for her dinner, and ate from a bowl. Eventually, she was taught to speak basic words, and walk on two feet.

        It sounds like a sick joke, but it's a true - and tragic - story of cruelty.

        The point being, human nature is hugely misunderstood. We are creatures of behaviour, and behavior comes from our environment.

        Of course we all want the shortest path, the least resistance. But we all have the ability to rationalize, take responsibility, use common sense and grow up.

        If we didn't, then why aren't YOU jumping over all the latest get rich quick schemes? After all, you're human aren't you?

        Surely, if it was human nature, then you too would be succumbed into such fairy tales and fantasy every day, right?

        Okay, Nick...it's not human nature. What it is, is society's poisoning of
        us.

        Look at the lottery commercials, the casino commercials, and on and on.

        Day in and day out, Madison Avenue is bombarding us with "the dollar
        and a dream" mentality.

        If I'm wrong, why does the mega millions hit 20 million dollars plus in a day?

        Do you realize that if these "rational" people would save all the money
        that they spent on the lottery and in casinos each year that they could
        probably afford to buy a home after 5 years?

        So as long as society continues to poison people with this crap (and you
        know they'll never stop because that's big bucks for them) people are
        going to continue looking for their pixie dust.

        So I respectfully disagree with you...whatever you want to call it.

        It ain't gonna change.
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    it will be good if i make money and my exitance through this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kev Stevenson
      Originally Posted by Albertrobort View Post

      it will be good if i make money and my exitance through this.
      Good luck with that...
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  • Profile picture of the author OpticalOut
    Good point.

    I really believe that any problem can be overcome, but it takes that mindset to actually solve it. A lot of people will say something like "I don't have technical skills" or "I can't make a website" but what they are really saying is that they are not willing to learn how to do it.

    A lot of the problems in IM come down to laziness and a lot of people's inability to take action and be consistent.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadair
    I am a newbie and I totally agree. I am hanging in there and spending a lot of time trying to learn. Thanks for being so bruitally honest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ardoris
    no money - get a job
    no contacts - start networking, seems like WF is good place for it.
    no skills - learn it. Again, there are tons you can learn just by reading WF.
    no time - No time? everyone has 24 hours, no more, no less. Find time by watching less TV, quit games..
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      Okay, Nick...it's not human nature. What it is, is society's poisoning of
      us.

      Look at the lottery commercials, the casino commercials, and on and on.

      Day in and day out, Madison Avenue is bombarding us with "the dollar
      and a dream" mentality.

      If I'm wrong, why does the mega millions hit 20 million dollars plus in a day?

      Do you realize that if these "rational" people would save all the money
      that they spent on the lottery and in casinos each year that they could
      probably afford to buy a home after 5 years?

      So as long as society continues to poison people with this crap (and you
      know they'll never stop because that's big bucks for them) people are
      going to continue looking for their pixie dust.

      So I respectfully disagree with you...whatever you want to call it.

      It ain't gonna change.
      Yeah, I totally agree.

      I think that's why people come to this forum expecting untold riches, without doing any work or actuall learning any skills.

      And it's perpetuated by some certain names around here (and elsewhere) in the IM training community, who feed the misconception.

      If enough people say it, then it's gotta be true, right? Riiighht??

      Bottom line? The sooner people are shaken out of this wonderland and finally see what they really need to do, they wouldn't become so complacent and might actually start seeing results.

      I don't mind lazy people. I don't mind people who want to work a day job for someone else.

      What I do mind, is people wasting other people's time with lies and false hope, and then the dreamers kicking up a fuss and throwing toys out of the pram when things don't make them millions overnight.

      But yeah, you're right Steve. It won't change because that's where the money is for a lot of "marketers." Selling the impossible or improbable to the impossibly hopeful.

      Just don't send them my way, I'm not a fan of $7 refunds
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    It is really about mindset more than anything.

    People need to stop focusing on what they can't do and start focusing on what they can do.

    They also need to realize that Rome was not built in a day.

    Building a business takes time and commitment.

    All of these so-called "overnight successes" usually have a huge story of trial and error and overcoming all obstacles to get where they were.

    A lot of times, the the "overnight successes" are five years or more in the making.

    So, people need to shift their mindset and realize that it takes work, time and dedication to build a successful business.

    It doesn't matter what the sales letter says, you are not going to become a millionaire overnight. You need to build a solid foundation for your business and build on top of that foundation each and every day.

    Success does not come overnight. As Jim Rohn would say "it is small positive habits that are repeated daily that build success." Or something along those lines. I was paraphrasing.

    Anyway, it's about the mindset of the individual and until that mindset shifts they will always be in the same boat.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOFocused
    you gotta have time. like they say, if you can't do the time, dont do the crime
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    • Profile picture of the author Therese
      Originally Posted by rabbi View Post

      Warrior forum is the best place to learn untold secrets
      And a lot of Warrior Special Offers are great for promoting unrealistic expectations.
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      • Profile picture of the author natalienichols
        Originally Posted by Therese View Post

        And a lot of Warrior Special Offers are great for promoting unrealistic expectations.
        I somewhat agree...I've purchased 4 WSO's (2 under 10 bucks and 2- 30 bucks.)
        But I didn't have unreal expectations. I just received information I knew I was lacking.
        For a complete newbie..the info I did get would be basically unworkable, because you need certain amount of knowledge in order to apply above your current learning curve.
        Get rich quick? Not likely. But get rich eventually? I'd like to think so. Doesn't everybody need a dream? I know I do.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
        Selling one's xbox 360 would prove a horrific experience for many but may jolt them into action. You know a man's desperate when you see him selling his xbox at the second hand stores. Though he's probably already lost his girlfriend by that point. Hard times.
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      • Profile picture of the author palmdale
        This is really great topic, just do it.
        If you guys are experts, show me your idea.
        thanks, I am a newbie
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        • Profile picture of the author Mly2000
          Originally Posted by palmdale View Post

          This is really great topic, just do it.
          If you guys are experts, show me your idea.
          thanks, I am a newbie
          they really hate it when a new person comes in and starts asking that, i found out the hard way >.< just troll through the forum and READ READ READ, ALOT of good stuff in here... within a week you will have ALOT of knowledge, i promise.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
            Originally Posted by Sam England View Post

            There is no magic button...it's takes work to make money...PERIOD...that's true with online or offline...
            I will prove all of you wrong. I will find the button. It is burried on this forum and I will find it. Then I will push it and laugh maniacally.

            You just wait and see Sam England, you just wait.
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      • Profile picture of the author King Louie
        It seems that I have no time for IM anymore. All my time now goes to finding money to pay my urgent bills. I want to be like the successful IMers who work 2-3 hours per day and earn thousands of dollars in their sleep.
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      • Profile picture of the author AlanT
        I completely agree, and have the same reaction to many of those asking for the "no money, no time, no brains" type of instant wealth.

        The best suggestion I can offer any of them is to find a free/cheap resale rights product that offers branding (with an affiliate program that offers 2 tiers), join the affiliate program promoted by the product, get it branded, and then hand it off to a few newbies who are really going somewhere.

        Of course, the odds of that producing any income quickly is slim to none, but it's the best chance of making money without time, money, effort, or brains.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    I realised a couple of years ago that I can actually get great money by going to work and doing the 8:30 - 5:00 job. It's bloody simple.

    Now I just need to clone, outsource and scale up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anthony Scorza
    I didn't use to have time.

    Then I stopped watching Star Trek reruns and something amazing happened.

    I suddenly had time!

    Seriously, everyone has time, it's just how you choose to use it. With emphasis on the word choose.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by ascor View Post

      I didn't use to have time.

      Then I stopped watching Star Trek reruns and something amazing happened.

      I suddenly had time!

      Seriously, everyone has time, it's just how you choose to use it. With emphasis on the word choose.
      This is true for most typical people. You always hear them spouting that "they don't have time", when the reality is that they do have time, but they're wasting it on all sorts of unproductive and useless activities.

      In essence, the majority of people want to have their cake and eat it too - they want to enjoy all their leisurely/fun activities and also work on their business and make money. Sacrifice is a word that's alien to them. Too many people have this sense of entitlement these days that makes sacrifice a very bitter pill for them to swallow.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sam England
        There is no magic button...it's takes work to make money...PERIOD...that's true with online or offline...

        Let's look at it this way...

        If you have a mountain and it has GOLD in it...you have to dig to it...which by the way takes WORK...

        The idea is to sell the shovels first to the people who are digging the gold out of the mountain and then benefit later by buying the gold from them after you have made your money from selling the shovels...

        SEE MY POINT?

        Peace Out...
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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by Sam England View Post

          There is no magic button...it's takes work to make money...PERIOD...that's true with online or offline...

          Let's look at it this way...

          If you have a mountain and it has GOLD in it...you have to dig to it...which by the way takes WORK...

          The idea is to sell the shovels first to the people who are digging the gold out of the mountain and then benefit later by buying the gold from them after you have made your money from selling the shovels...

          SEE MY POINT?

          Peace Out...
          You're right Sam, in many cases selling shovels is quicker and easier, and generates "now" money for you to use while you're digging for the gold yourself, or accumulating the money to buy it from these prospectors.

          Either way, it'll require work and dedication to get that gold...anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to pull a fast one on you.

          Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author hotfudge
        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

        This is true for most typical people. You always hear them spouting that "they don't have time", when the reality is that they do have time, but they're wasting it on all sorts of unproductive and useless activities.

        In essence, the majority of people want to have their cake and eat it too - they want to enjoy all their leisurely/fun activities and also work on their business and make money. Sacrifice is a word that's alien to them. Too many people have this sense of entitlement these days that makes sacrifice a very bitter pill for them to swallow.
        Just having started out myself in the last year, I totally agree with you. I didn't create too many results in the 1st year but that was because I wasn't applying myself productively. Now that I am, things are starting to take off! The rubber hits the road when one decides to take massive action! The best advice that I was given (being a perfectionist in my previous life) is to just get out there and learn from your mistakes! Some days, I just learn whilst other days, I learn and earn! The more that happens, the more momentum I am creating! Someone once told me that "Excuses are like a**holes, every has one and they all stink"!...I laughed when I 1st heard it but it is so true! Once I learned to stop making excuses for why I wasn't taking action and just did it (Thanks Nike ;-)...lol....the results started happening....you don't need to be perfect, you just need to be brilliant!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ladybug
    "May I take your order ma'am?"
    "I would like one bag pixie dust along with a genie in a bottle"
    "Would you like me to super size that for you"
    "Sure"
    "For only $5 extra could I interest you in a free (stolen) car, along with a detailed blueprint for our local bank"
    "OK - but only if you throw in a free non traceable handgun. Oh, about that genie in a bottle, could you put the genie on the side so it's ready to grant me my wishes?"


    Hey, I am just starting over, and am spending roughly 10-12 hours online learning everything I can get my hands on. Have I made a single dime yet? No - but there is NO magic bullet except the one I create myself.
    Would I love a hand up? Of course! But that is a whole lot different than a hand out!
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  • Profile picture of the author gaffg
    hard work is the key to success, it is that simple
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  • Profile picture of the author Henry White
    We're also dealing with excited, clueless newbies who by definition don't know what's important, the proper buzz words, or how to ask the right questions.

    I'm not sure we can or should do much more than point them in the right direction. The problem I'm having in coming up with any working parameters for precisely what "point them in the right direction" entails, and I can't quite grasp that Goldie Locks zone.
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  • Profile picture of the author magro
    I want to advise you not to waste your time because of no skills. If you are really interested to earn money online than learn how to get money from online and how much can you earn.What are the methods to earn money online and many more. At warriorforum you will get more and more help so keep reading daily warrirorforum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anonymous Affiliate
    There's nothing we, experienced marketers, can do about it because those people don't want to know about reality. Internet Marketing is the Gold Rush of the 21st Century: hordes of new people come in everyday hoping they'll become a millionaire overnight by pushing a few buttons. And then people wonder why 95% fail and quit by the second month...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mrmuscle90
    I understand why there are so many of these threads from people starting out i think i was once like that but after awhile you learn (normally the hard way) that you cannot cut any corners and you have to actually work for your money
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  • Profile picture of the author jfarrell
    ok paulie888
    you are going to have your hands full with me..

    if you can teach me.. it's going to be a miracle.
    I hope for an income in less then 21 days.. even if it's $1.00....
    i will be on this like honey..
    thanks for passing it on.. paying it forward..
    i have a lot of mouths to feed.
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    The lack of having a plan is probably the cause of this. And for those who do have one, it's following through with it. For those making the excuses above, search the Warrior Forum all in one threads and WSOs. Pick a plan and stick with it. Get to know your WSO providers and they may be able to help you along your journey.
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  • Profile picture of the author Boomachucka
    If you have no time, skill, money, contacts, etc... You won't ever have any job, no matter what you're looking for. Even fast food requires the time to apply and the basic skills of learning to flip a burger.

    Anybody who tells you that they don't have any of these things is simply lost and completely wrong. The fact that they have the ability to post on a forum means they have the skills to sell backlink packages on DP or something.
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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    "Starting at the bottom and working your way up" Pay your dues

    "All good things come those that wait" Patience

    "If you fall off the horse, brush yourself off and get back on" Learn from your mistakes

    IM is about heart, desire, and a willingness to learn. Having the patience it takes to succeed and when you find something that works, do it again over and over. But always, add something new until you have 2 things that work on so on........
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  • Profile picture of the author Molad
    Take action, take action, take action... it's really easy but excuse me, it's not obvious to most of us newbies!. What does "take action" mean exactly? Somebody needs to really define it!

    Even when you have skills or money or time, there is still the problem of a plan ... a strategic plan. How do you come up with a plan that makes sense and is viable. I can work hard all I want but working the wrong plan will lead to nowhere but frustration and regret.

    I agree it's easy to get sucked into buying all the new products out there in the hopes that there will be a magic wand to suddenly make you rich. Any reasonable thinking person will avoid that as much as possible. However, the plain truth is that if you are really new to IM, one single product or reading the free area of the WF is not enough for most people to understand what they need to do to start an online business and how to do it. This has been my experience.

    I have spent hours reading here, I have bought very few targetted WSO's and I have scoured google... I still don't have a concrete plan yet!...
    Most of the WSO's are not comprehensive, and don't cater to newbies. I read some reports and I can tell that there is a missing piece of the puzzle, but I don't know what it is. Most of the ideas thrown around here are alien to me and I don't get it yet!. I'm being patient because I know it takes time and lucky for me I have a good 9-5 job. For most people that need to earn some money today, they may unfortunately fall into the temptation of buying every new product that promises a faster track to glory.

    It may not be entirely accurate to assume that jumping from one product to another is as a result of the shiny syndrome factor or sheer laziness.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Very interesting post!

    It can be viewed through many ways…

    I’m going to give it a positive aspect though, because the truth is that in the beginning I was exactly in this situation: I had no money, no contacts, no skills, no knowledge, and no time.

    I was helped very much by the fact that I could easily borrow money from various banks because I had another offline business that was giving me money (but not to invest on anything. The commerce in Greece was not working fine since the Euros appeared in Europe, in 2001… I was not selling my merchandise with the same facility of the first years of this store). Borrowing money at that time was something so risky… I don’t know how I could find all the courage to borrow so much money and acquire more bills to pay than the ones I already had.

    So, my answer to this question is the following: if you have no money, no contacts, no skills, no internet marketing knowledge, and no time, you can make money online if you have Courage, and you accept taking risks.

    I was sure that my work was excellent because I’m an expert in my field; anyhow, I was more than confident that I would succeed. However, exactly because my work is so superior, my competitors tried to kill me… they provoked me so many unexplained problems online that only because I’m a very strong person could I face everything, and solve all problems, one by one.

    I’m still not making the money I should, but I’m surviving. My enemies are becoming weaker with time, while I become stronger with time because my work has real value. My competitors cannot be as patient as I am, and they cannot keep giving so much valuable information for free to the public forever like me.

    You have to accept risks and face all the consequences. If you believe in your work, you can succeed. However, it’s going to take time, and a lot of work.

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  • Profile picture of the author ben1ewis
    I know a way to spend little money and do nothing and it will pay you millions!

    Sadly only chavs in the UK have this opportunity - It's called the lottery!!

    Then they piss it up against a wall and are back to square one in a few years time.
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