I have no money, no contacts, no skills, no time. How can I...

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Isn't it time there was a sticky in this forum, shaking people out of this downward dream spiral that is ruining people's lives, killing the industry and wasting everyone's time?

I am, of course, talking about the false expectation that you can land on a forum like this, and expect a genuine, applicable answer to the following question:

"I have no money, no contacts, no skills, no time. How can I make fast money today?"

Well let's see...

You can't.

Unless you're talking about selling stuff on eBay.

I'm sorry to break the bubble folks, but unless you have at least one of the above, then you either need to GET one or more of them, or you need to get a job.

I'm not saying you can't start a profitable online business pretty quickly, but it won't happen overnight if you don't have any money, time, skills, contacts.

You have to acquire these assets. It's like trying to take a road trip without fuel, or wheels.

I know it's a hard pill to swallow for the desperate, but it's the truth.

And let me save you wasting another year, and risk coming back here asking the same question in twelve months...

Start creating a plan, and start working on it.

Don't have skills? Learn them.

Don't have money? Save up.

Don't have time? Sell your Xbox (and use the money to fund your first basic website.)

Once you have these assets, make it part of your plan to build more assets, such as:

- traffic
- partnerships
- products
- email lists

If all this sounds too dull, and too much like hard work, then there's another popular forum where you can go and get rich overnight, by breaking laws, ruining lives, and detaching yourself of any moral compass for as long as it takes.

This is a marketing forum, not a work from home mummies forum. This is the place to learn marketing and business tactics, not fly by night envelope stuffing bull****, or quick cash methods that don't work as well as you're promised, and don't give you any kind of future security.

Time to get a grip. Just make sure you're grabbing the rope that is attached to a firm building... not the one that's made of pasta and tied around a three legged table.
#internet marketing #contacts #money #skills #time
  • Profile picture of the author BarberShop
    But how can I make money now?
  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    So.....you're trying to tell me I can't make $1,000 by tomorrow without any work???? Dang you Nick.
    • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
      Even something as simple as selling stuff on Ebay takes some of the things listed.

      No money = no listing fees or no inventory. Drop shippers can be rough to find, easier to work with the wholesaler direct first before working out a drop shipping contract.

      No time = no time to set up the listings. If you sell the same stuff over and over you can work from a template. If you sell one-ofs you will be making a new listing each time.

      No skill = not too much of an issue here, though having done plenty of "one-of" listings myself, being able to do them fast can be a skill.

      Lots of truth in your post Nick.
  • Profile picture of the author Big Al
    I know someone who just started Internet Marketing before Christmas and he's been sucked into all sorts. Everytime I see him he's discovered the latest secret and has bought THE best software or course.

    So far I think he's parted with over £20K and nothing to show for it ... not even a website!

    Personally I think he's just doing his apprenticeship (a more expensive one with personal coaching), like I did and like many other newbies will do ... they'll buy into the crap, false hopes and promises.

    Before realising it is ultimately business fundamentals ... providing a service, selling something people need, learning to follow-up and sell to them again.

    Getting traffic, working on conversion and creating customers.

    The downside is that many people don't make it through the apprenticeship and quit believing it all to be a hoax.

    Alan

    Of course there are the uber-intelligent here who see that sooner ... shame I wasn't one of them
  • Profile picture of the author HigherPrThanGod
    Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

    Isn't it time there was a sticky in this forum, shaking people out of this downward dream spiral that is ruining people's lives, killing the industry and wasting everyone's time?

    I am, of course, talking about the false expectation that you can land on a forum like this, and expect a genuine, applicable answer to the following question:

    "I have no money, no contacts, no skills, no time. How can I make fast money today?"

    Well let's see...

    You can't.

    Unless you're talking about selling stuff on eBay.

    I'm sorry to break the bubble folks, but unless you have at least one of the above, then you either need to GET one or more of them, or you need to get a job.

    I'm not saying you can't start a profitable online business pretty quickly, but it won't happen overnight if you don't have any money, time, skills, contacts.

    You have to acquire these assets. It's like trying to take a road trip without fuel, or wheels.

    I know it's a hard pill to swallow for the desperate, but it's the truth.

    And let me save you wasting another year, and risk coming back here asking the same question in twelve months...

    Start creating a plan, and start working on it.

    Don't have skills? Learn them.

    Don't have money? Save up.

    Don't have time? Sell your Xbox (and use the money to fund your first basic website.)

    Once you have these assets, make it part of your plan to build more assets, such as:

    - traffic
    - partnerships
    - products
    - email lists

    If all this sounds too dull, and too much like hard work, then there's another popular forum where you can go and get rich overnight, by breaking laws, ruining lives, and detaching yourself of any moral compass for as long as it takes.

    This is a marketing forum, not a work from home mummies forum. This is the place to learn marketing and business tactics, not fly by night envelope stuffing bull****, or quick cash methods that don't work as well as you're promised, and don't give you any kind of future security.

    Time to get a grip. Just make sure you're grabbing the rope that is attached to a firm building... not the one that's made of pasta and tied around a three legged table.
    If they have no skills then they're probably in good shape and attractive, so they should be able to model. lol
    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by BarberShop View Post

      But how can I make money now?
      Rob a bank. You'll have to get a bank loan to be able to buy the gun and the getaway car, but at least you won't have to pay that loan back, especially if you rob the bank you borrowed it from

      Originally Posted by Rose Anderson View Post

      So.....you're trying to tell me I can't make $1,000 by tomorrow without any work???? Dang you Nick.
      Originally Posted by Clintoc View Post

      Even something as simple as selling stuff on Ebay takes some of the things listed.

      No money = no listing fees or no inventory. Drop shippers can be rough to find, easier to work with the wholesaler direct first before working out a drop shipping contract.

      No time = no time to set up the listings. If you sell the same stuff over and over you can work from a template. If you sell one-ofs you will be making a new listing each time.

      No skill = not too much of an issue here, though having done plenty of "one-of" listings myself, being able to do them fast can be a skill.

      Lots of truth in your post Nick.
      Good point!

      Originally Posted by Big Al View Post

      I know someone who just started Internet Marketing before Christmas and he's been sucked into all sorts. Everytime I see him he's discovered the latest secret and has bought THE best software or course.

      So far I think he's parted with over £20K and nothing to show for it ... not even a website!

      Personally I think he's just doing his apprenticeship (a more expensive one with personal coaching), like I did and like many other newbies will do ... they'll buy into the crap, false hopes and promises.

      Before realising it is ultimately business fundamentals ... providing a service, selling something people need, learning to follow-up and sell to them again.

      Getting traffic, working on conversion and creating customers.

      The downside is that many people don't make it through the apprenticeship and quit believing it all to be a hoax.

      Alan

      Of course there are the uber-intelligent here who see that sooner ... shame I wasn't one of them
      This is true. I often think that if you haven't spent at least two or three grand learning the ropes, then you 'aint even in the running.

      Unless you're a freakin' marketing genius with killer instinct and unnaturally lucky.
  • Profile picture of the author JonWebContent
    I agree with you Nick, but as long as people create eBooks/products with headlines like "make $100k in your spare time online with no investment or effort", there will always be a sucker out there.
    • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
      Originally Posted by JonWebContent View Post

      I agree with you Nick, but as long as people create eBooks/products with headlines like "make $100k in your spare time online with no investment or effort", there will always be a sucker out there.
      Ethics aside, if they have no time, how will they get a product together?
    • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
      Originally Posted by JonWebContent View Post

      I agree with you Nick, but as long as people create eBooks/products with headlines like "make $100k in your spare time online with no investment or effort", there will always be a sucker out there.
      And there are infomercials, radio commercials, POD and "real" books at Amazon telling people they can make an overnight fortune on the Internet.

      Why even Robert Allen's books are telling people how rich they can become on the net. And another real estate guru, Ron LeGrand has become all gaga about teaching people to sell online.

      The Internet seems to be replacing get-rich-with-real-estate.

      :-Don
    • Profile picture of the author Brianne
      Originally Posted by JonWebContent View Post

      I agree with you Nick, but as long as people create eBooks/products with headlines like "make $100k in your spare time online with no investment or effort", there will always be a sucker out there.
      So true, there will always be people out there looking for a way to cut corners and get that fast cash.

      Originally Posted by Gren Bingham View Post

      Yes, I agree with your gripes, but often people have to get burned to understand what hot means :-)
  • Profile picture of the author donnan
    NO TIME....then you will never be able to make anything if you have no time for work.

    Maybe this is why you have NO MONEY and NO SKILL,

    Money is NOT a problem!
    Skill is NOT a problem!

    If you have a brain to learn then you can solve the problem to the 2 above, but if you have NO TIME. You haven't got a chance!
    • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
      Time can be replaced with money. Of course you have to have some time to invest in the creation of a system and the training of people who work that system. Just as you can spend your time to create that system to save your money. You could even pay to have someone create the sytem, as crazy as that sounds, and eliminate the time factor further.

      Skills can be learned, or bought, at a cost of time and/or money.
    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by donnan View Post

      NO TIME....then you will never be able to make anything if you have no time for work.

      Maybe this is why you have NO MONEY and NO SKILL,

      Money is NOT a problem!
      Skill is NOT a problem!

      If you have a brain to learn then you can solve the problem to the 2 above, but if you have NO TIME. You haven't got a chance!
      I completely agree. Having no money, no skills and no resources is fine, as long as you have the determination to learn and implement something new that will make you money. We all have to start somewhere, and it'd be unrealistic to assume that one already possesses all the characteristics and attributes needed to make money in IM.

      BUT the most egregious one is definitely having no time. If you have nothing, and don't even have time to learn and implement something new that will make you money, you have absolutely no business even asking about how to make money online.

      You might as well just buy a lottery ticket and hope to strike it big there, because you're essentially hoping to win the lottery! Even getting into the lottery requires money to buy a ticket, so what you're really asking for is a free handout.

      Paul
  • Profile picture of the author pethanks
    Yes, I agree of what you have said in this thread. Thank you for encouraging me to rally work for my business.
    • Profile picture of the author jglopez
      This is true! Thanks for sharing! For myself, I have none of the above yet as well. But I'm looking to build them slowly but surely over here at WF. So far I've begun writing online to earn and save some money which I can use to invest in another IM monetization methond. Probably CPA or blogging..
  • Profile picture of the author bobsilber
    Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post



    Don't have time? Sell your Xbox (and use the money to fund your first basic website.)

    Don't make me sell my Xbox bro.
  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Bosen
    You can always sell your belongings on craigslist too, and ebay...

    But I don't like the attitude that you need to basically stop dreaming and thinking that you can't make money online

    The second you stop believing that one day you will make a lot of money online is the second you fail.

    If you don't believe you can do it, whats the point? You might as well work for a company that will give you your weekly paycheck.
    • Profile picture of the author polrbearz
      I agree that we might need some kind of "sticky" to help new people manage their expectations. Sarah is right, though---we MUST not stop dreaming, either. That's where so much of the energy that can keep you moving forward will come from. It's also what generates some of your best insights and builds toward your ultimate unique contribution.

      There's really not a contradiction between these two apparent extremes. The right middle ground is to cherish dreams in the background of your mind while using most of your available time to cultivate one or more of the assets the OP spoke of. I don't know about you all but I learn best by doing--which means that I need some sort of "vehicle" that helps me move along on that middle ground. There's NOTHING like having something become truly natural---that's how we are able to take something like driving for granted as an instrument to achieve our other goals--rather than as a project unto itself.

      For me the years I've spend promoting ONE affliliate program through an unusual offline method has given me the grounding I need. When you get really familar with a single process, your mind naturally moves outward to related ideas--new programs, products and processes that are now within your comprehension. Without some kind of grounding, you just don't have any point of reference to help you make sense of all the "noise" out there.

      One of the posters in this thread suggested CPA programs or blogging as a good place to get that kind of grounding. I agree--use it as a "paid" internship that may allow you to build into more complex ambitions. (It may be low-paid but at least you are not PAYING to learn ---as in college or as with the fellow paying out 20,000 pounds since December:rolleyes

      Jason Fladlien suggests a high ratio of action to learning---at least one to one. He's right because I think that forces you to integrate ideas and knowledge as you go along---to continually "reground". Don't be discouraged by the apparent endless amount of knowledge that you wish you had a complete grasp of. So much of the "noise" is created by people who are marketing themselves or their product. Since that's also US to some extent we have to view it with a certain tolerance. But also discrimination--which only experience can give you. I read a post by a VERY experienced WF veteran---a productive product creator and marketer himself---who said that even he gets confused by the all the great new things that clamor for his attention. His solution--he usually only buys on recommendations from those he knows and trusts.

      My advice: Don't ever stop dreaming ! Just make it the "icing on the cake". The cake is learning and mastering one tool or skill at at time and getting plenty of practice in its application.
    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by Sarah Bosen View Post

      You can always sell your belongings on craigslist too, and ebay...

      But I don't like the attitude that you need to basically stop dreaming and thinking that you can't make money online

      The second you stop believing that one day you will make a lot of money online is the second you fail.

      If you don't believe you can do it, whats the point? You might as well work for a company that will give you your weekly paycheck.
      That's very true except there have been a lot of people coming to this forum looking for the "magic answer or bullet" that will solve all of their problems without having to have to work, or have any money or put in the time, or whatever it may be.

      They are dreaming the WRONG way and think that something should be just handed to them. They treat IM as a second rate thing that should be easy and not take any intestinal fortitude or money.
  • Profile picture of the author donnan
    I think this is what's wrong with alot of the younger generation today. Many of them have been given everything their whole life and all of a sudden they are grown up and expect that everything is still going to be given to them and they won't or don't have to work for it.

    There are many parents out there that have bought their kids up with the attitude they are going to give their kids a better life then what they had. The problem here that I see in my day to day life is that parents didn't teach their children any work ethics or they didn't teach them to cook or clean or look after another. The parents seem to have forgotten what they learnt when they were young.

    Guiding children and preparing them to be hard working, adults seems to have been thrown out the door.
    • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
      Originally Posted by donnan View Post

      I think this is what's wrong with alot of the younger generation today. Many of them have been given everything their whole life and all of a sudden they are grown up and expect that everything is still going to be given to them and they won't or don't have to work for it.

      There are many parents out there that have bought their kids up with the attitude they are going to give their kids a better life then what they had. The problem here that I see in my day to day life is that parents didn't teach their children any work ethics or they didn't teach them to cook or clean or look after another. The parents seem to have forgotten what they learnt when they were young.

      Guiding children and preparing them to be hard working, adults seems to have been thrown out the door.
      Very true. Once you get past my generation things really hit the crapper. I got the work ethics from my parents, though they don't seem to follow me into my online ventures. I have held a job for nearly 10 years now, as grueling as it may be, simply to keep the family afloat. My IM profits have given us the little extra we need to keep chuggin along.

      Your statement is what I have noticed when we hire someone that is younger than me at work. Lazy as snot. Think they are the best. Then wonders why everyone laughs when they talk about how vital they are to the company.

      True story on the last one, had a kid who couldn't show up on time to save his life do this. What made things worse is that he felt like everything should be forgiven if he shows up for work early once a month and late the other 29 days.
    • Profile picture of the author linkninja
      Hey Donnan,

      tried to PM you, but I'm too new,so the system wouldn't let me. Check your post - caninesavvy.com/commercial-diets-home-raw-diets

      looks like a code error halfway down the page.
    • Profile picture of the author Mly2000
      Originally Posted by donnan View Post

      I think this is what's wrong with alot of the younger generation today. Many of them have been given everything their whole life and all of a sudden they are grown up and expect that everything is still going to be given to them and they won't or don't have to work for it.

      There are many parents out there that have bought their kids up with the attitude they are going to give their kids a better life then what they had. The problem here that I see in my day to day life is that parents didn't teach their children any work ethics or they didn't teach them to cook or clean or look after another. The parents seem to have forgotten what they learnt when they were young.

      Guiding children and preparing them to be hard working, adults seems to have been thrown out the door.
      WOA WOA WOA

      23 yr old here, i am part of this "young" generation you speak of mam,sir, watever you may be. not ALL of us was handed everything, as a matter of fact, i know quite a few ppl my age that have never had anything, no awesome 16th birthday car from mom and dad, no first apartment paid for them, i call BS to the kids that have that. It hurts you if your handed stuff, and not to say to much, but i am also a vet, as many ppl my age are, some of us, if not at least 50%, have worked our arses off for what we have.... now, to not completely blast you and make you mad, you are UNFORTUNATELY right about alot of ppl my age, and yes, it is pathetic.

      in light of other ppl saying you should pay 3 grand to get tutoring, i paid 4, i have learned more by MYSELF, than that 4000 dollar coach taught me, my fault for trusting some stupid company to teach me. and within a week, i got suckered by one of those "get rich fast" schemes, thankfully, i am a fast learner.

      cutting myself short...
  • Profile picture of the author zigato
    And all those IM gurus say that anyone can make money instantly... darn it!

    But seriously, everything takes its time... nobody learned to ride a bicycle without someone's assistance and/or training wheels instantly. Good practice makes perfect.
  • Profile picture of the author donnan
    Don't fall for the hype from the so-called guru's. They suck people in to buy their hype. People soon find out, that to make money it takes work and effort, consistency and patience.

    It's a hard lesson to learn that clever marketing and some specially chosen words can convince even an educated mind to part with their dollars to buy something that promises quick riches for little or no work. Users are then sad to find out it just doesn't happen like it's promised. Der, they saw you coming!

    Some times you just have to GET A JOB!
  • Profile picture of the author Gren Bingham
    Well .... you could start a boy-band or girl-band as appropriate, then write up your experience in 15 pages and sell it as a WSO?????

    Best regards, Gren.

    Yes, I agree with your gripes, but often people have to get burned to understand what hot means :-)
  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    I only have skills and I'm making money.
    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I won't mention any names (not cool) but today I got an email from one of
      my coaching students who said he was dropping out.

      His reason..."I expected some magic pixie dust."

      And this is in spite of the fact that I clearly stated on the sales page for
      the coaching class that I was going to work them into the ground.

      Nick, this is human nature and neither you or I or anybody on this planet is
      going to change it.

      All a sticky is going to do is waste valuable space on a forum that deserves
      better.
    • Profile picture of the author developyourlife
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      I only have skills and I'm making money.
      Awesome. He said you needed at least one.
  • Profile picture of the author WillDL
    ...Did he really say pixie dust...?
    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by WillDL View Post

      ...Did he really say pixie dust...?
      That was the exact quote. At least I'm pretty sure. I can go back and
      check the email if I still have it.

      ** EDIT **

      Okay, the exact quote was "I was looking for some magic pixie dust"
  • Profile picture of the author Isaiah Jackson
    Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

    Isn't it time there was a sticky in this forum, shaking people out of this downward dream spiral that is ruining people's lives, killing the industry and wasting everyone's time?

    I am, of course, talking about the false expectation that you can land on a forum like this, and expect a genuine, applicable answer to the following question:

    "I have no money, no contacts, no skills, no time. How can I make fast money today?"

    Well let's see...

    You can't.

    Unless you're talking about selling stuff on eBay.

    I'm sorry to break the bubble folks, but unless you have at least one of the above, then you either need to GET one or more of them, or you need to get a job.

    I'm not saying you can't start a profitable online business pretty quickly, but it won't happen overnight if you don't have any money, time, skills, contacts.

    You have to acquire these assets. It's like trying to take a road trip without fuel, or wheels.

    I know it's a hard pill to swallow for the desperate, but it's the truth.

    And let me save you wasting another year, and risk coming back here asking the same question in twelve months...

    Start creating a plan, and start working on it.

    Don't have skills? Learn them.

    Don't have money? Save up.

    Don't have time? Sell your Xbox (and use the money to fund your first basic website.)

    Once you have these assets, make it part of your plan to build more assets, such as:

    - traffic
    - partnerships
    - products
    - email lists

    If all this sounds too dull, and too much like hard work, then there's another popular forum where you can go and get rich overnight, by breaking laws, ruining lives, and detaching yourself of any moral compass for as long as it takes.

    This is a marketing forum, not a work from home mummies forum. This is the place to learn marketing and business tactics, not fly by night envelope stuffing bull****, or quick cash methods that don't work as well as you're promised, and don't give you any kind of future security.

    Time to get a grip. Just make sure you're grabbing the rope that is attached to a firm building... not the one that's made of pasta and tied around a three legged table.
    lts possible if you had the right tools but to do it right now would be kind of pushing it like make money right now
  • Profile picture of the author jacob321
    The internet is like a source of....well, basically EVERYTHING. I have a friend who only owns a high school diploma and came across a site one day that sells lingerie around the United States. Considering the equivalence of cost and quality of the products, she began doing research on how to manufacture stuff from china, where everything is much cheaper but not necessarily poorly-made. lets just put it this way: now she owns 2 houses in both china and America. .
    But amen to most of the things you stated: You gotta find your interests and acquire what the 'flow' is nowadays. of course it will take your time and effort but it certainly doesnt require a high degree from school.
    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Sarah Bosen View Post

      You can always sell your belongings on craigslist too, and ebay...

      But I don't like the attitude that you need to basically stop dreaming and thinking that you can't make money online

      The second you stop believing that one day you will make a lot of money online is the second you fail.

      If you don't believe you can do it, whats the point? You might as well work for a company that will give you your weekly paycheck.
      Sure. There's NOTHING wrong with dreaming. But if you think reality even comes close to the dream, you're mistaken. Sure, you get the same end results, but in reality, you can't walk on water and you most definitely feel pain.

      The problem is, there's a chasm between a dreamer and an ambitious go-getter with a dream. I'm talking about the former here, not the latter.


      Originally Posted by donnan View Post

      I think this is what's wrong with alot of the younger generation today. Many of them have been given everything their whole life and all of a sudden they are grown up and expect that everything is still going to be given to them and they won't or don't have to work for it.
      Let me tell you, age has nothing to do with it. A lot of more mature people will have bigger chips on their shoulder, more cynicism, more emotional luggage and more preconceived, harmful notions that have been imprinted into their belief system by the media and marketing for dozens of years.

      I agree, younger kids have a more entitlement mindset in general than the previous generation, but that also gives them the idea that they deserve to succeed too.

      It works both ways.

      Originally Posted by Gren Bingham View Post


      Yes, I agree with your gripes, but often people have to get burned to understand what hot means :-)
      I agree, but what gets my goat is that the people doing the burning are ruining it for the entire restaurant industry, not just their own kitchen.

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


      Nick, this is human nature and neither you or I or anybody on this planet is
      going to change it.
      I disagree, respectfully Steve. Did you ever hear the story about the little girl who was forced to grow up in solitary confinement, being fed like a dog, around other dogs?

      She walked on all fours, howled for her dinner, and ate from a bowl. Eventually, she was taught to speak basic words, and walk on two feet.

      It sounds like a sick joke, but it's a true - and tragic - story of cruelty.

      The point being, human nature is hugely misunderstood. We are creatures of behaviour, and behavior comes from our environment.

      Of course we all want the shortest path, the least resistance. But we all have the ability to rationalize, take responsibility, use common sense and grow up.

      If we didn't, then why aren't YOU jumping over all the latest get rich quick schemes? After all, you're human aren't you?

      Surely, if it was human nature, then you too would be succumbed into such fairy tales and fantasy every day, right?
  • Profile picture of the author Albertrobort
    it will be good if i make money and my exitance through this.
    • Profile picture of the author Kev Stevenson
      Originally Posted by Albertrobort View Post

      it will be good if i make money and my exitance through this.
      Good luck with that...
  • Profile picture of the author OpticalOut
    Good point.

    I really believe that any problem can be overcome, but it takes that mindset to actually solve it. A lot of people will say something like "I don't have technical skills" or "I can't make a website" but what they are really saying is that they are not willing to learn how to do it.

    A lot of the problems in IM come down to laziness and a lot of people's inability to take action and be consistent.
  • Profile picture of the author dadair
    I am a newbie and I totally agree. I am hanging in there and spending a lot of time trying to learn. Thanks for being so bruitally honest.

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