Spinning articles good or bad?

bradlean

13 years ago

Sometime it's good sometimes it's bad.

If you spin 1 article into 100 plus that would be not a great idea.

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Brendan Mace 13 years ago

Originally Posted by bradlean

Sometime it's good sometimes it's bad.

If you spin 1 article into 100 plus that would be not a great idea.

hmmm... Is this due to a lack of unique variations? Thanks for the input, I hadn't considered limiting the amount of submissions.
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BudgetSEO 13 years ago

Originally Posted by bradlean

Sometime it's good sometimes it's bad.

If you spin 1 article into 100 plus that would be not a great idea.

Nope, i've spun 1 article 1500 times and all of them were 90% unique yet readable (no kidding)

Make sure
-Your seed article is unique
-You do not use a cheap software (Makes a lot lot lot of difference)
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DPWeb

13 years ago

If you are using a program to spin your articles, I think it is a waste of time. If you spin them this way, You will see better results and not feel like a dirty sweaty tool bag.

1. Write the article for your own blog or website. BE UNIQUE AND USEFUL

2. Rewrite the same article using new words and targeting a different set of main keywords. But discuss the same topic. Submit this version to EZine.

3. Rewrite the article again. Completely rewrite it again from scratch. Use pretty much the same information, but again, target new keywords and change it up. Submit this copy to your other top article directories.

You will now have multiple UNIQUE articles targeting DIFFERENT sets of keywords that won't get duplicate content penalties.

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13 years ago

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iansinfo 13 years ago

Whilst spinning articles has it is place it will never beat a article that you write your self using different keywords
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- Richard Van 13 years ago
  
  It all depends what you're doing.
  
  If you are writing your own articles and spinning them, it's fine, from a legal point of view anyway, I just don't use spinning in my business model.
  
  If you are taking other peoples articles and spinning them, it's a very different matter, it's called derivative works and is a blatant act of plagiarism and a breach of copyright.
  
  Title 17 US Code Section 106, and section 101 defining "derivative work".
  
  Don't take my word for it, have a look on the second page of this thread and pay special attention to the words of the well known and highly respected Internet Lawyer, Kindsvater.
  
  As to how beneficial it is to your business (spinning your own articles) is very dependent again on what you're doing. The best article spinner I'm aware of on this forum is WarriorKay. This person is extremely successful at it. If I was ever going to go down the spinning route I wouldn't do it without contacting WarriorKay first.
  
  Either way, stealing other peoples articles and spinning them is illegal. Well it is according to the law.
  
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iamisaid

13 years ago

What is article spinning exactly?

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Richard Van 13 years ago

Originally Posted by iamisaid

What is article spinning exactly?

It's when you get an article and use software or manually re-write it so it looks different from the original but says the same thing.

It's so you can create lots of different copies of one article instead of writing your own original content.
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- iamisaid 13 years ago
  
  Thanks mate. Sounds like cheating to me.
  
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iamisaid

13 years ago

But.... some will argue that the spun article can be used over and over again as unique content.

Twisting words is for newspaper and TV reporters and the pollies and other people don't like it.
And neither do I, it's cheating. It's stealing another person's thoughts.

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Brendan Mace

13 years ago

Originally Posted by iamisaid

But.... some will argue that the spun article can be used over and over again as unique content.

Twisting words is for newspaper and TV reporters and the pollies and other people don't like it.
And neither do I, it's cheating. It's stealing another person's thoughts.

While I understand your stance against plagarism. It is certainly legitmate to 'spin' your own content.

I never once suggested stealing another person's content. My question is whether spinning your own article, and distributing many copies is more beneficial than submitting the same article many times?

This question is purely from an seo perspective? I don't intend to offend anyone, or impose on anyones copyrighted materials.

There seems to be a debate about whether article spinning provides worthwhile backlinks and increased indexing. I am curious about what fellow warrior's think about article spinning.... as an seo practice.

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by co2

This question is purely from an seo perspective? I don't intend to offend anyone, or impose on anyones copyrighted materials.

I'm glad you've decided to do it that way.

I've just been in another thread with Paul Myers discussing another issue.

However, if this thread is purely about SEO, it should be in the PPC, Adsense and SEO forum of this site.

If it's not here when you come back, it'll probably have been moved there.

By the way, you didn't offend anyone and I'm pleased you want to do this the right way.

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Brendan Mace 13 years ago

thanks Richard, I appreciate the input
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paulie888

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

I'm glad you've decided to do it that way.

I've just been in another thread with Paul Myers discussing another issue.

However, if this thread is purely about SEO, it should be in the PPC, Adsense and SEO forum of this site.

If it's not here when you come back, it'll probably have been moved there.

By the way, you didn't offend anyone and I'm pleased you want to do this the right way.

Thanks for stepping in and pointing this out, Richard. The original post was a little ambiguous as to the intent of the article spinning, but this last post that you replied to makes it pretty clear which section this thread should be in, especially if the primary focus is on using article spinning for SEO.

Paul

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DireStraits 13 years ago

Originally Posted by co2

There seems to be a debate about whether article spinning provides worthwhile backlinks

Whether you get good backlinks from your articles depends completely on where you publish them, and nothing at all to do with whether they're spun or not.

Spun articles may actually put you at a disadvantage, in this regard. They normally don't read and flow so well, and most owners of quality websites would prefer to publish a high-quality but non-unique article already published on 10, 100 or even 1000 other sites, than they would a unique but low-quality spun article.

For the purpose of acquiring backlinks, spinning is just a waste of time.

Originally Posted by co2

and increased indexing.

Spinning can certainly help in this regard, if your aim is to have each instance of your article appear somewhere in Google's main index (subsequent instances of identical, syndicated articles usually only go into Google's supplemental index). This won't make the backlinks any more powerful, though. The only reason you'd want to really consider this would be if you were aiming to dominate multiple ranking positions in the SERPs, for the same (or slightly different) keywords using, essentially, the same article.

But in that case, to have each article ranking highly you'd probably have to backlink each of them independently, which would be a whole lot of work.
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Brendan Mace

13 years ago

Yep. I agree that my OP was ambiguous. I should have clarified that I would be either submitting an original article to many directories, or creating variations for that ORIGINAL article, and then submitting it.

Isn't this section name ambigous? This is one of my first posts in the warrior forum. But from reading the sub titles of the sections, I did not see a contradiction at all.

The title is 'how to make money online.' I'm sure that many people use article spinning and article marketing to... make money online. This method would be a means to an end that correlates the title of the main section.

A lot of forums have a 'general topics' section. Which can be filled with just about anything relating that niche. For this forum, I assumed that the 'main section' is that equivalent. And really, there is nothing in writing to contradict that assumption.

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warriorkay

13 years ago

Whether spinning articles is good or bad? I covered
this extensively in the below post,

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http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ens-souls.html

I hope it helps,

Kingsley

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Lemy Yusento 13 years ago

It is good, BUT if only you check it all over again.

Spinning will help you to make your article more unique, so you can brand
it as your own,

but if you read more carefully, there's many words you can not understand when you read it entirely. So this will make you not look
professional.

So, i guess it's sometimes worthy to spin it, as long as you re-read
the results.

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hope this help,

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Micallef

13 years ago

I use a program called The Best Spinner to make master spintax files for articles.

For an 800 word article, it takes about 4 hours to create the master spintax manually.

This is because I manually have to make sure that all the synonyms make sense with each other.

However, once this task is done, I can spin off 50 or 100 readable & unique articles.

This is more articles than I could write manually in that timeframe, so spinning makes a lot of sense if you do it properly.

However, you do have to go big - it's boring and time consuming to spin an article correctly. No auto-spinner will ever be able to create 100% unique, 100% readable articles because of inherent ambiguities in the structure of language.

Originally Posted by co2

hey guys,

I have recently purchased Article Marketing Robot. Which is an absolutely fantastic program. I've already seen some significant results.

I have tried submitting an article straight up, with only Title and Resource Box variations. And I have also submitted an article that I spun.

From my experience, it does not seem worthwhile to only spin a small portion of your article. A small amount of spinning seems to add very little benefit. So article spinning is a 'go big or go home' method. In the amount of time it takes to fully spin an article, with sentence, html, page break variations, etc. I could easily write several original articles.

But.... some will argue that the spun article can be used over and over again as unique content.

Do you consider article spinning a worthwile use of time?

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troy23

13 years ago

I too have Article Marketing Robot. Did you send to all directories at once or stagger them over a period of days?

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Gren Bingham

13 years ago

Hello CO2,

I use The Article Helper Pro which uses the approach that the expensive Unique Article Wizard service seems to offer. I write the same article three times with the same number of paragraphs. The same relative paragraph in each version says the same thing, but in quite different words, and sometimes with different keywords. The tool then creates as many articles as you want by assembling the different paragraphs into the same relative positions in hundreds of variations of the article, assuming you write, say, four or five paragraphs.

You write the stuff, you get really readable articles, and they get a high uniqueness score.

The product has some other good features and which I seldom use and switches titles and sig boxes from a set you give it.

I like this approach because I get good output, and lots of it.

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eramedia

13 years ago

I always write my articles from scratch. I may take other articles as inspiration, but never copy or spin them.

My main reason for this being that I have my own unique style of writing, and want my personal opinion to come across.

I find my articles are easier to read, and they pretty much always convert into sales.
Why take the risk being lazy when its a potential sale on the line?

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accelerator_dd

13 years ago

The whole idea behind spinning is distribution right? So if you spin your article well, and spread it over 100 places then it's good. If you submit the same article to 1000 directories (and get it live) of course it will not be.

There's a program called DupeCop that can generate 100 articles and tell you how different they are, or even 1000. Then you'll start seeing the idea behind spinning and dupe content.

The better you spin, and more you write, the more you'll get at the end! remember that

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Brandon Tanner 13 years ago

If you're going to spin an article you should give it Dramamine first. Otherwise it may get motion sickness!
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- Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner
  
  If you're going to spin an article you should give it Dramamine first. Otherwise it may get motion sickness!
  
  Even Haloperidol might be preferable, I think. (And what you don't give the article, you can always finish off yourself, which might help more, anyway. Oops, did I say that out loud? ).
  
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Dave Rodman

Banned 13 years ago

Not bad or good. Just a waste of time.

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cooler1

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Rodman

Not bad or good. Just a waste of time.

Waste of time? I watched a video today from James Scholes. He uses The Best Article spinner to spin hundereds of articles from 1 article then submits them to his website.

He finds related keywords for the niche then puts one of those keywords in each of the spun articles so he can get traffic from each keyword.

He says it brings in hundereds of visitors per day. He even showed his Google Analytics stats.

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Dave Rodman

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

Waste of time? I watched a video today from James Scholes. He uses The Best Article spinner to spin hundereds of articles from 1 article then submits them to his website.

He finds related keywords for the niche then puts one of those keywords on each of the spun articles so he can get traffic from each keyword.

He says it brings in hundereds of visitors per day. He even showed his Google Analytics stats.

I could show you my analytics account where I accept user generated content on my site. They submit, I review, and publish. And that gets me several hundred visitors a day.

Simply put, doing a lot of almost anything will get you a lot of visitors.

I'm CONFIDENT that those links don't do much for your SEO efforts, so it comes down to if the traffic results in money for you.

And I've tracked that on my site, referrals from article sites are worthless to me. Even if I paid someone to do it for me, it's not worth it.

But I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. I'm saying you should be testing it to make sure you don't waste too much time. I have a feeling you would be.

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

Waste of time? I watched a video today from James Scholes. He uses The Best Article spinner to spin hundereds of articles from 1 article then submits them to his website.

He finds related keywords for the niche then puts one of those keywords in each of the spun articles so he can get traffic from each keyword.

He says it brings in hundereds of visitors per day. He even showed his Google Analytics stats.

Is he spinning his own article or one he's got from a directory?

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cooler1

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Is he spinning his own article or one he's got from a directory?

He bought the article from someone on the Warrior forum but he said that you can just use one from an article directory if you want.

Originally Posted by Dave Rodman

I could show you my analytics account where I accept user generated content on my site. They submit, I review, and publish. And that gets me several hundred visitors a day.

Simply put, doing a lot of almost anything will get you a lot of visitors.

I'm CONFIDENT that those links don't do much for your SEO efforts, so it comes down to if the traffic results in money for you.

And I've tracked that on my site, referrals from article sites are worthless to me. Even if I paid someone to do it for me, it's not worth it.

But I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. I'm saying you should be testing it to make sure you don't waste too much time. I have a feeling you would be.

His technique actually involves getting a list of keywords related to the niche then using each one of those keywords of each one of the spun articles. He said it brings in leads anyway.

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Richard Van 13 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

He bought the article from someone on the Warrior forum but he said that you can just use one from an article directory if you want.

Well then you didn't read post 7 above.

Have a look at the thread I link to and go and see what the well respected Internet Lawyer has to say about stealing other peoples articles and spinning them yourself.

Which, incidentally makes the video you watched earlier today, a little dubious. What he's telling you do is called derivative works (post #7, this thread) that means it's plagiarism and breaching copyright.

If you want to disagree on this, just go and talk to Kindsvater, the Warrior on the thread I link to. I always find it best to chat to a lawyer about things, instead of getting other people's "opinions".
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Dave Rodman

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

He bought the article from someone on the Warrior forum but he said that you can just use one from an article directory if you want.

Does that show you the type of guy you're dealing with? You can't spin articles that you found in a directory.

Originally Posted by cooler1

His technique actually involves getting a list of keywords related to the niche then using each one of those keywords of each one of the spun articles. He said it brings in leads anyway.

Yeah, do the leads convert? Putting a keyword into a spun article doesn't mean you're all the sudden ranking for a keyword. No keyword worth optimizing for can be gotten by just throwing up garbage, spun articles.

But do it if you want. I can tell you're likely a newbie, and this is exactly the stuff that you should avoid. Yeah, the sales pitch kinda sounds like it makes sense. But practically speaking, it's a waste of time. This isn't getting you any closer to making any real money.

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DireStraits

13 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

He bought the article from someone on the Warrior forum but he said that you can just use one from an article directory if you want.

O rly? lol. Nice of him to so openly and calmly "encourage" people to consider plagiarising others' content, then.

Maybe you could just spin someone else's article in practice, just like you could quite easily get drunk, hop in your car and engage in a hit-and-run. The question is, from a moral standpoint, and bearing in mind the potential consequences, would you want to do this?

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Alminc

13 years ago

Spinning is good only if your article is heavily spun both on paragraph level,
sentence level and phrase/word level. Spinning that way takes a lot
of effort and concentration because you want each version to be
perfectly readable and make sense to reader.

If you are somewhat experienced writer and spinner it would take
3-4 hours of hard work to spin 600-700 words article.

If you do just 1 article per day it would take you 90-120 hours
of your work per month. Let's say 100 hours for 30 spinnable articles.

Since I have no time to do this, I am using highest quality
spinnable articles from TheLeadingArticles.com
I get 30 articles per month for $147.
That means that I am paying $1.47 per hour of spinning work,
which is very cheap since I know that I myself would never do that
kind of work for only $1.47 per hour.

Now those articles are not original to me because it's a paid
membership where other members are getting same articles.
Thus these articles are not ment for branding yourself or
preselling, but they are more than good for link building.

So whether spinning is good or bad depends on what you want to
achieve and how much work you are willing to do or pay for.

But one thing is certain - spinning is BAD if you use cheap solutions.
If you blast thousands of cheap, hardly readable spun articles all
over the internet and hope to get some good results you will be
disappointed. Garbage in, garbage out.
Spinning articles can be very good for certain purposes but only
if you invest either a lot of your own hard work to produce quality
spun articles or pay decent amount of money to someone else to
do that job for you.

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Brendan Mace

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alminc

Since I have no time to do this, I am using highest quality
spinnable articles from TheLeadingArticles.com
I get 30 articles per month for $147.
That means that I am paying $1.47 per hour of spinning work,
which is very cheap since I know that I myself would never do that
kind of work for only $1.47 per hour.

sweet. That's an awesome tip.

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ftyre76 13 years ago

The truth of the matter is that you can only judge the articles output by the spinning software. Also, it is dependent upon the person spinning the article. Although it is a very basic form of programming, I consider spinning articles programming. If you build your templates correctly for the spinner software, you will get great results. As mentioned earlier in the posts, however, people usually don't spend the tedious hours it takes to spin an article. All the spinner is doing is randomizing synonyms for words or randomizing sentences depending on how the person spinning the article builds the template. As many of us learned in grade school, a person can get carried away trying to use incorrect synonyms in the hopes of sounding like you have a larger vocabulary. The person building the template for the article has to contemplate every possible scenario for a sentence and determine if the grammar, etc. is correct in each instance. Then it is best if each spun article is proofed for any necessary corrections. In many cases, it would be foolish to do this much work to get just a couple more articles, but the software can create exponentially more articles this way. You only pick the best and most unique articles out of these thousand variations (the software helps determine uniqueness, etc.). If done correctly, and assuming that you are only using your original writing, spinning articles is no different than writing the articles yourself.

However, many people who jump on board with article spinning think that the software is magic and will do all the work for them. That couldn't be further from the truth. I doubt they read the article before submitting it to certain websites. The fact is, these people are being lazy. And the work they spit out is rubbish. Do not let that deter you from using them however. Any tool can be used poorly without it tarnishing the effectiveness of the tool. If there is someone who doesn't know how to use a hammer, you shouldn't blame the hammer for the poor carpentry.

Just my honest opinion on the matter.

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mello87

13 years ago

Personally im not a huge fan. I would rather outsource from a quality content writer, or do the stuff myself. It pays off in the long run. Google is going to start picking up on spun articles sooner or later too i think.

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oda

13 years ago

If your going to spin do it by hand with a little help from a database to make choosing the synonyms faster and make the spun content original.

I agree to have effective spinning you need to look at paragraph and sentance spinning as well as changing the synonyms.

4 Hours for ONE spun article that can produce thousands of variations is NOT a waste of time. If you did 1 a day for a month you would have so much content you would not be able to use it all. (It takes more like 1 once you have the article done and if you use a little software helper)

With the focus on original and Unique content, One or 2 days a week handspinning articles is really not that long. What else would you be doing? Perhaps hanging out at forums?

How many articles a week are you handwriting submitting and then saving on your hard drive never to be seen again? Sure you can re-Write them but isn't that just spinning?

Article spinning is GOOD, you just need to take control of the output and never leave it up to software to make the decisions. HAND spun articles are worth double thier weight in gold if used correctly. Its about LEVERAGE and making good use of your time.

NO I do not agree you rip off articles and spin them, surely you have the 100,000 PLR article file by now to use as swipe copy.

In conclusion, with google now looking at duplicate content and originality, spinning is the tool you use to NEVER post the same article twice. (your posting the same message, in different ways)

If your losing your style from spinning then your not being picky enough on the synonyms your using. Your first few attempts may be horrible (mine where) but once you get the hang of it, HAND spinning articles is a Breeze.

Once you have the {spintax|spyntax} copy done you have a source of unique content for ever. Vita's articles have MILLIONS of combinations, I challenge you to spin 1,000 variations of them and pick a dud from the batch.

EXAMPLE: this article is 1 version I spun off from a spintax article, Unreadable?

The bad output from spinners is because of BAD INPUT by user's, Slow down, take your time and article spinning will become a weapon in your Marketing Arsenal you won't be able to do without.

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Chri5123

13 years ago

My personal opinion of spinning articles right now is BAD.

Having said that before the Google update I did not have much success trying to spin articles.

Focus on providing unique content that is quality and you will get better results.

Just my 2 pence.

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