Is Directory of Ezines (DOE) a Software? or just a list?

13 years ago

From what I had read about DOE it is access to listings of ezines, but I am not totally sure...I would be interested in knowing this for certain as well, as ezine advertising is considered very cost effective for list building.

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yourreviewer

13 years ago

I am interested in knowing about how Directory of Ezines works as well.

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JohnMcCabe

13 years ago

I'm a lifetime member over at DOE.

The ezine directory is just the start of things. By itself, it's a nice resource for finding advertising opportunities from solo ads to classifieds in newsletters and ezines.

I'm not going to reproduce the whole features list here, but you can read it here:

Directory of Ezines

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

I'm a lifetime member over at DOE.

The ezine directory is just the start of things. By itself, it's a nice resource for finding advertising opportunities from solo ads to classifieds in newsletters and ezines.

I'm not going to reproduce the whole features list here, but you can read it here:

Directory of Ezines

Hello, cheers for that,

but can you clarify the solo ad procedure please John,

-is it this method-
an automation method ?

Plug in Pay-> enter your solo email in a space -> Click submit button -> email sent to 20,000 subscribers?

or a chasing up method?
or is it a chasing up process.....where you email the person many many times, where they don't reply (as a normal Non DOE solo ad ?)

or a bit of both ?

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myob

13 years ago

As a lifetime member also, I found it to be an extremely valuable resource for only $197. It's a searchable online directory of market niches and includes the ezine publisher contact info, number of subscibers, demographics, types of ads available and ad rates. You pay the individual ezine publisher directly for the ad and submit your copy to be published to that ezine's list of subscribers. Nothing complicated about it at all. The DOE is simply an organized online directory of ezines, nothing more.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

As a lifetime member also, I found it to be an extremely valuable resource for only $197. It's a searchable directory of market type and includes the publisher contact info, ad rates, number of subscibers/demographics and solo ad rates. You pay the publisher directly for the solo ad and submit your copy to be published to that ezine's list of subscribers. Nothing complicated about it at all.

Cheers, after you pay, is there a big waiting list? or they give you schedules, and can be 2-3 months to wait in some cases?

and after contacting them, do they reply back within days? or some take months, and some of them dont even reply back? {as you do get busy marketers}

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myob

13 years ago

Originally Posted by entry

Cheers, after you pay, is there a big waiting list? or they give you schedules, and can be 2-3 months to wait in some cases?

and after contacting them, do they reply back within days? or some take months, and some of them dont even reply back? {as you do get busy marketers}

Your best bet would be to contact the individual publisher with those questions. I have never experienced an unreasonable delay in getting responses from publishers. There is a waiting period for the ads to run, but you are advised before you make a payment of the timeframe. In my experience it has never been more than six weeks at the most and generally within about two weeks. It varies by ezine publisher.

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entry

13 years ago

do the ezine owners just allow 1 mailing? or can allow 5 seperate ones?

with the fee being more of course,

do they allow 4-5 mailings (of 4-5 different emails) to their list, promoting your ad?

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myob

13 years ago

Originally Posted by entry

do the ezine owners just allow 1 mailing? or can allow 5 seperate ones?

with the fee being more of course,

do they allow 4-5 mailings (of 4-5 different emails) to their list, promoting your ad?

Those questions can only be answered by paying $197 for the DOE.

Ezine owners/publishers each have different listed offers and rates.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

I have never experienced an unreasonable delay in getting responses from publishers.

How many solo ads have you done with doe ezine owners, and i suppose you have made your Investment back right?

Didnt you get my Priv' message, i sent you some days ago ?

and I want to also consider promoting this DOE as an affiliate, to my list in the future.

what if my customers buy it, and request a clickbank refund (as a crafty customer), then they wil have the list for free right?

-they would have had the $197 list of ezine directories for $0

or would their 'membership' be cancelled?

as many people purchase clickbank products, and then refund them the same night.

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genietoast

13 years ago

DOE is a directory managed by Charlie Page of several ezines who've agreed to list themselves in his service. He's been in the ezine business for a long time. I've submitted solo ads in the past to a couple of the ezines listed on his site.

The quality of the ezines for some are pretty good and pretty reliable customer service. However, expect to pay on average $100 to $200 a solo ad. Sometimes for a single price an ezine owner will let you send twice. I've never seen 3 or 4 mailings for one price. That's a sure way to spam a list. Most of the time they send it once.

You're effectively paying someone to put your article in their list. Be prepared to have to wait weeks as well because it depends on the frequency of the ezine newsletters, and solo ads seem to be popular.

I've had ZERO conversions from my solo ads, probably because I didn't know how to write one to make it convert. You've got to understand that some ezine newsletters have ad spaces around the edges of the newsletter, so readers are used to seeing this week in and week out.

Then they get the solo ad which can be like an ad in article format. You're probably better off treating it like a normal article instead of an ad.

Someone in the Warrior Forum (Bill Platt, I believe) has an article distribution service that can submit a high quality article to many different sites for much cheaper, some of which are also ezines.

You might want to check out his service.

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polrbearz

13 years ago

I read once--several weeks ago I think--in WF--a post by someone who suggested that the main value of DOE was that you could post articles directly to ezines in your niche and that this was more reliable and faster than EZA. ( I think that this might have been by myob ?)

Based on what I'm reading on this thread it sounds like it might be better to just hunt these nice ezines down on your own. Maybe Bill Platt's service is an answer--I may try to check that out.

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myob

13 years ago

Originally Posted by polrbearz

I read once--several weeks ago I think--in WF--a post by someone who suggested that the main value of DOE was that you could post articles directly to ezines in your niche and that this was more reliable and faster than EZA. ( I think that this might have been by myob ?)

Based on what I'm reading on this thread it sounds like it might be better to just hunt these nice ezines down on your own. Maybe Bill Platt's service is an answer--I may try to check that out.

That was me, and actually I do both solo ads AND article submissions daily, which is why I stated categorically that direct article submission to ezines is a far more effective method than solo ads in several other threads. But that was not even in context nor an issue of the OP in this thread.

Look, the DOE is a tool. How you use that tool depends on your business model and ability. You can go find some "nice ezines" on your own for free, but why spend all that time and effort? The solutions I present are cost effective and should be taken in context of the threads of which they were written.

There is no such thing as only one, fits all marketing method. Depending upon ones business model, solo ads have a useful function, as does submitting articles to directories, and so does building valued partnerships with ezine publishers with quality, substantial articles.

My preferred online marketing method is sending articles directly to targeted ezine publishers using the DOE. However, this is certainly not the only method nor the least expensive nor is it even the easiest. But coming from my experience and for my business model, it is the most effective. Now, don't even get me started on the best methods for offline marketing.

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polrbearz 13 years ago

Hi Myob:

Thanks for clearing a lot of the mist around the use of DOE. I will definitely have to check it out for myself and just feel my way through it. I love the idea of leverage and efficiency, that's for sure I like your "no one size fits all" take on these issues of ad and article submission. One's business model and all.

You intrigue me with the sense that you are "deep waters" regarding offline work. That's really "where I came from" before finding WF. I will look up some of your other posts and try to get a sense of some of the ground you are covering there.

My apologies, entry, if I have distracted from your investigations into ad placement. I think the digression made sense and actually created additional context for the discussion. But I will certainly not intrude on the direction you are trying to take your inquiry.

Respectfully,

polrbearz
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entry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by genietoast

I've had ZERO conversions from my solo ads, probably because I didn't know how to write one to make it convert. You've got to understand that some ezine newsletters have ad spaces around the edges of the newsletter, so readers are used to seeing this week in and week out.

Then they get the solo ad which can be like an ad in article format. You're probably better off treating it like a normal article instead of an ad.

Someone in the Warrior Forum (Bill Platt, I believe) has an article distribution service that can submit a high quality article to many different sites for much cheaper, some of which are also ezines.

You might want to check out his service.

Do the emails they send out have to be in article format ?

or they can be a 'small promotion' email pointing to your squeeze page?

and you got Zero conversion? that is a bit off putting :confused:

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JohnMcCabe 13 years ago

DOE is not software, not a middleman that handles transactions, and definitely not magic.

I bought my lifetime membership (it was $400 at that time) for the directory, specifically for the ability to find ezines that accepted article submissions. Since that time Charlie has expanded the site a lot.

There's extensive training on using ezines to promote your business, and even a few resell-rights products you can promote or practice on.

Over the years I've been a member, I've been quite satisfied with my investment. I linked the page for you. Check it out, get on Charlie's list, get the free ebook. He doesn't mailbomb you.

Then decide for yourself...
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myob

13 years ago

Originally Posted by entry

Do the emails they send out have to be in article format ?

or they can be a 'small promotion' email pointing to your squeeze page?

and you got Zero conversion? that is a bit off putting :confused:

Each ezine publisher has their own format requirements and are provided in the DOE.

Generally it is best to direct your link from the ad (or article) to a squeeze page with an incentivized offer such as a free gift.

Zero conversion is not the fault of DOE; they have been doing this for 10 years. Promotions that bomb are a reflection on either poor copy writing, inappropriate market, and mostly inexperience.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

Each ezine publisher has their own format requirements and are provided in the DOE.

Generally it is best to direct your link from the ad (or article) to a squeeze page with an incentivized offer such as a free gift.

Zero conversion is not the fault of DOE; they have been doing this for 10 years. Promotions that bomb are a refelection on either poor copy writing, inappropriate market, and mostly inexperience.

How many niches are listed in doe, for paid solo ads? (even if they are $100-$200) ?

How many niches roughly? 40? 80 ?

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Richard Van 13 years ago

Entry,

I've read this whole thread, I see you want a lot of answers to a lot of questions. Nothing wrong with asking but there comes a time when we have to make decisions for ourselves.

The others have been very good in answering all these questions for you, it may be worth popping over to DOE and having a look for yourself now.

There's been some really great advice here.
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myob

13 years ago

Originally Posted by entry

How many niches are listed in doe, for paid solo ads? (even if they are $100-$200) ?

How many niches roughly? 40? 80 ?

How many niches do you need? You can actually do quite well in just a few niches.

If you really just need to send some free solo ads to test your conversions you can try this:

Ezine Advertising: - Free Solo Ads

(not an affiliate, although I have used them to test some new ideas)

You earn free solo ads by reading and clicking on other members' solo ads, and it's free to join.

Using DOE was only a suggestion as there are many other resources to find solo ads.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

How many niches do you need? You can actually do quite well in just a few niches.

If you really just need to send some free solo ads to test your conversions you can try this:

Ezine Advertising: - Free Solo Ads

(not an affiliate, although I have used them to test some new ideas)

You earn free solo ads by reading and clicking on other members' solo ads, and it's free to join.

Using DOE was only a suggestion as there are many other resources to find solo ads.

I meant, are they in a variety of niches (example, debt, babies IM, health and fitness, motivation, improving mind power)

- or it just solo ad ezines in just the IM field/traffic field only ??

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myob 13 years ago

IM is only one of the niches, and DOE does include ezine publishers in all of the niches you mentioned, plus much much more.
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- entry 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by myob
  
  IM is only one of the niches, and DOE does include ezine publishers in all of the niches you mentioned, plus much much more.
  
  Cheers
  
  i am going to get it with my credit card,
  
  deciding which email address to enter, to get the download link {and updates if any}
  
  After paying, will DOE send many emails to my email? which i Need to take note off? or just promotions?
  
  {im deciding whether to use a Common email address, my every day one.... or one I check less often}
  
  does charlie send many emails out to people who have purchased the DOE Package?
  
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Randy J

13 years ago

I've also wondered if getting involved with DOE would be a good traffic source...

$197 to me is a high price if it doesn't bring in the results I need to profit from the investment...

But like anything in life if you don't go for it.. you'll never know...

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myob 13 years ago

There is nothing magical about DOE, that you can't get from slogging through search engines or other resources. It is just a very conveniently organized online directory of ezines. The lifetime membership of $197 does not guarantee you anything except "60 day satisfaction". In addition to the membership fee for the directory you will have to pay for the solo ads which can run as much or many times more. We're not talking rocket science here.
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entry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by avery123

I've also wondered if getting involved with DOE would be a good traffic source...

$197 to me is a high price if it doesn't bring in the results I need to profit from the investment...

But like anything in life if you don't go for it.. you'll never know...

and was it a good traffic source for you?

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Vikram73

13 years ago

It is definitely worth it - and it covers niches beyond make money online/bizopp. The downside (for newbies at least) is that once you pay the $197 to get in you have to pay to blast your email to the various lists you're interested in.

This also costs money. I think of it like PPC - your first few forays can be written off as losses but if you pay attention and adjust you will start making money.

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mygold

13 years ago

Of course ezines is like a software.

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