Is this ethical?! This guy is paying his outsources <$2/HOUR!!!

[Alexandre Valois]

Originally Posted by freetraff

I think the solution is simple - share your knowledge about how to make more money online, so that poor outsourcing staff finds out how to earn more than $2.

They will stop doing that instantly, if they get an option.

Keep in mind, you're saying that because YOU are an entrepreneur yourself. You have already decided to make money online and run your own business, which in itself sets you apart from what ... 99.9% of the population?

Most people are not interested in having their own business.
- It's 24h/7
- There's no "paid vacation" and "work benefits"
- You don't get paid overtime
- Things often won't go the way you had planned.
- It takes lots of energy and money to get started ....

Which means ... given the choice between a good work environment, and making a leap of faith, most people would choose the work without even thinking twice about it.

[mudmat]

I don't think it is unethical because the person has accepted to the job for $2 per hour so there is already a mutual agreement.

And I don't think the marketer force the person to accept the job.

I would love to outsource for just $2 per hour..

[BrainDance]

I think the guy is taking serious advantage of a workforce that is unable to get compensated for what they are worth. Whether or not both parties agreed to it, i don't think its a matter of ethics, I think it is a matter of character, and like everyone else, that is my opinion.
Despite the economic conditions, being fair to others is important. If you continually look for ways to take advantage of people to get what you want, well I hope you get bit in the a**.

to this comment:
But that only shows that we are hardworking people. And any work will do. As long as it's legal.
hardworking people are worth more than 2.00 an hour. Quality work deserves quality pay. I don't care that you only need 2.00 to 'survive', you should be paid 20.00 so you can "live", turn around and invest in your country, local businesses and economy.
I agree that 2.00 is better than nothing, in a sense it is all relative, but where does it end. I personally do not outsource, but being in freelance I see a lot of overseas workers providing nice work for a 5th of what I do, and good for them, if it is affordable and everyone gets what they need..go for it.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Alexandre Valois

... or even back in Canada where you will often find nurses forced to work double or triple shifts.

That is a complete falsehood.

[Kim Standerline]

I think you bout summed it up Lance

Kim

Originally Posted by Lance K

In an EXTREMELY OVERSIMPLIFIED manner, this is what ethics means to me...

"Do No Harm"

The problem with your questioning of this guy's ethics is that you're considering your reality and what you would consider to be harmful to you and trying to apply that same standard to someone on the other side of the world. A person who has a different reality and a different standard as to what is considered harmful to them.

Your judgement seems to be clouded by using a fixed universal context. Which is certainly not the case.

[Alexandre Valois]

Originally Posted by Clark

That is a complete falsehood.

Clark, then it is probably only applicable in the province of Quebec and our public health care system.

I've been wrong before - but I DO know first hand that it IS a huge issue back there (Quebec).

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Alexandre Valois

Clark, then it is probably only applicable in the province of Quebec and our public health care system.

It is against Canadian Federal Law to "force" anyone to work any hours as well, nurses are bound by legal collective agreements which are supported by the unions they belong to and are protected by which also includes the right to strike or "work to rule" actions which is often used by law enforcement associations due to essential service status.

In addition, the Candian Labour Code states:

Maximum hours of work

171. (1) An employee may be employed in excess of the standard hours of work but, subject to sections 172, 176 and 177, and to any regulations made pursuant to section 175, the total hours that may be worked by any employee in any week shall not exceed forty-eight hours in a week or such fewer total number of hours as may be prescribed by the regulations as maximum working hours in the industrial establishment in or in connection with the operation of which the employee is employed.

There's also Canadian Human Rights to be considered as well which is a very serious process for the employer to be subject to if they are found to be in violation not to mention the Hospital will be at risk of lawsuits for mistreatment if/when the overworked/tired nurses make a mistake.... way too risky for the Canadian Government to condone such practices.

Quebec is a part of Canada and its citizens are protected federally in regard to labour laws.

[Alexandre Valois]

Originally Posted by Clark

It is against Canadian Federal Law to "force" anyone to work any hours as well, nurses are bound by legal collective agreements which are supported by the unions they belong to and are protected by which also includes the right to strike or "work to rule" actions which is often used by law enforcement associations due to essential service status.

In addition, the Candian Labour Code states:



There's also Canadian Human Rights to be considered as well which is a very serious process for the employer to be subject to if they are found to be in violation not to mention the Hospital will be at risk of lawsuits for mistreatment if/when the overworked/tired nurses make a mistake.... way too risky for the Canadian Government to condone such practices.

Quebec is a part of Canada and its citizens are protected federally in regard to labour laws.

Technically, they are - but laws are not without loopholes.

Many working nurses have been literally suspended after refusing to work double/triple shifts, nothing any union could do about it.

Whenever a case gets brought to court, the ruling goes in favor of the state and the "well-being and protection of the population" due to a lack of personnel to operate the facilities and provide adequate treatment to the people. Sometimes they will also throw in the fact that, by law, you are expected to provide assistance to anyone in need, unless your involvement would put either you, or the other person, at risk. Being trained to work in such a facility where people's lives can be on the line, they can give any hospital worker a hard time for not complying when asked to work double or triple shifts due to "staff shortage". Remember, those are public institutions here, funded by the government, with tax payer's money.

Of course .... you are not FORCED .... let's just say ... Strongly encouraged? If you're not happy with it, you can always find another job ...

No wonder people straight out of nursing school apply to work in private health clinics here - they get paid up to 3 times the salary, and don't have to deal with those issues. Which in the end, only contributes to making the public health system even worse ...

[pjs]

Originally Posted by doop

I just received an e-mail from a marketer..... check out the video for yourself here:

Replace Myself | HomePage

The guy is paying workers in the Philippines about $1-$2 PER HOUR to create his "Ultimate IM Lifestyle".

Now I'm all for outsourcing - in fact i wouldn't be nearly as successful online if it wasn't for outsourcing.

BUT WE HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE SOMEWHERE....

Now my question is - Is this crossing the line of ethical employment?!

Is he "exploiting" these people....?

I don't see how this is unethical. About a year ago I had an employee in the phillipines who worked full time for $250/mo and she was *ecstatic* to earn that. Her old "good paying" job as a bartender paid her less than $180/mo.

In my opinion, it's a win-win.

[Clark]

There are no loopholes in regards to Canadian Human Rights.

I would love to see your tangible example of a nurse being fired for refusing to work a third consecutive shift in a row and not being awarded wrongful dismissal compensation.

Besides, the union would have to be apprised of the dismissal (usually part of the collective agreement) prior to the release of the employee and the union has the right to appeal and also seek arbitration to settle the dispute.

Lack of personnel is not the responsibility of the worker so saying that the worker would lose a court ruling due to not wanting to work beyond what the Canadian Labour Code states is another falsehood.

People straight out of nursing schools need to acquire experience before they market themselves to private sector practices because.... there is more money to be made outside of the public service sector for the same skills.

[Alexandre Valois]

Originally Posted by Clark

There are no loopholes in regards to Canadian Human Rights.

I would love to see your tangible example of a nurse being fired for refusing to work a third consecutive shift in a row and not being awarded wrongful dismissal compensation.

Besides, the union would have to be apprised of the dismissal (usually part of the collective agreement) prior to the release of the employee and the union has the right to appeal and also seek arbitration to settle the dispute.

Lack of personnel is not the responsibility of the worker so saying that the worker would lose a court ruling due to not wanting to work beyond what the Canadian Labour Code states is another falsehood.

People straight out of nursing schools need to acquire experience before they market themselves to private sector practices because.... there is more money to made outside of the public service sector for the same skills.

It seems useless, and completely out of topic to argue with your bookwise, which proves to be completely disconnected from the current reality of the public healthcare system as it is - so I'll just leave it at that and invite you to come over and spend some time Quebec, get to know a few people working in the public health sector, and make your own mind on the issue.

[richfit]

This is PURE Genius!

A Serial Entrepreneurs Dream... You have to take into consideration what income salary's are in other country's.

If someone is willing to do your work for $2 or $5 per day then so be it. Pay them a little more and they will be ecstatic.

Treat your employees well and they will take care of you well. Now that's what I'm all about when hiring someone to work for you.

Bryan Dulaney

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by Raymond Edeh

The truth is that it is morally wrong.
It's a graphic example of exploitation and modern way of slavery...


Kindest,
Raymond

I agree, it is morally wrong to pay someone for a service so they can feed themselves and their families. Yeah, it would be much better if they were earning a dollar a month like many of your fellow Africans, one of which happens to be the step-brother of the U.S. president-elect.

Hey, I've just figured out how we can end poverty worldwide: a mandatory global minimum wage of $30 an hour. Heck, we won't even have a work requirement, everyone will get it because....well, just because. Then no one would be poor.

/sarc off

[clint48]

If the economy here in the US continues to decline, you will probably notice a lot of people willing to work for $2.00 an hr. I think that is about what I am working for right now trying to get my graphic business started as a matter of fact.

Clint

[cloudchaser22]

Originally Posted by Raymond Edeh

The truth is that it is morally wrong.
It's a graphic example of exploitation and modern way of slavery...


Kindest,
Raymond

I agree with this... I could understand paying someone in the Philippines $2 per outsourced article, but $2 per hour means this poor worker could be writing 20 articles per hour for basically one DIME per ARTICLE.

Raymond said that this is a "modern" way of slavery... Slavery is a form of subjugation. To many people, this is wrong. The worker isn't forced to do anything. But it can be interpreted in that way. If this worker and his/her family is starving and trying to put food on the table, then they HAVE NO CHOICE but to take whatever opportunity given to them (even if it was 25 cents/per hour working). To me this is a form of subjugation/slavery when one person is exploiting others to use that money on vacations to Hawaii or playing golf everyday while another person is using that money to put food in the hands of perhaps a starving family... so in my opinion, it is not illegal but deep down in my heart, it is an unethical.

[johnjonas]

I am John Jonas, the one who "pays people $2/hour" to live the lifestyle I live.

Actually, that's wrong. I pay some people $1/hour! Some I pay $4-$5/hour.

It depends on their skills and how much they ASK me to make.

The one I pay $1/hour to ASKED me to pay them that much. At some point, I'll raise their pay and they'll be thrilled.

Is that unethical?
Is it unethical if every day they thank me for allowing them to work for me when I'm paying them $2?

Did you even listen to the audio on my site? Did you listen to the part where I said that someone making $400/month is living a pretty good life in the Philippines?

Would you rather I not pay them and have them be unemployed? Or making $30/month?

Enough said.

Now...moving on...

1. There is lots of talk about India in this thread. If you're going to do what I do, DON'T hire people in india (yes...yes...I just offended a whole sub-continent...let the flame war begin). I'm just telling you, you'll have a MUCH better experience if you hire in the Philippines. Listen to the audio on my site.

2. After listening to the audio on my site, you would be crazy to not hire someone to do your work for you. A) you give someone else a job, B) you create value for yourself, C) you free up your own time to create more value for others D) giving more people jobs. It's an upward spiral.

John Jonas

[Swastik]

Ethical, it may not be. But 2 USD is good amount for someone, and even 5000 USD is not good for some others.

It really depends on the average lifestyle you live.

[Mike Bogowski]

This is an interesting thread... I tend to look at it like this.

When I worked a normal desk job I used to earn a decent wage. I knew that I could probably get a job somewhere else paying more, but I didn't

My employer wouldn't just walk up to me and say 'Hey Mike, want a raise?' . Id have to ask for it.

This is exactly the same, if someone is willing to do a job for that price, Im damn sure going to pay it until they either ask for more, or quit in which case i'll find someone else.

[ShayRockhold]

Okay.....I am going to chime in here....

If someone accepts a certain amount, then that is their business.

Can I use a different perspective?

If I tell someone I charge $400 for a freelance project, then that is the amount of money I have determined I need in order to make an acceptable wage.

Now, if someone is living in an area where you rent apartments for $2000 a month, they might think, "How on earth can she charge that? How can she live on that?" But, for me, $400 is a very nice payment.

I do not expect a person living in an area that has a high cost of living to answer, "No! I insist on paying you $1000 because there is no way you could live on $400!" (Not that I would mind....)

I guess what I am saying is that the wage is really determined by the freelancer, not the person offering the freelance work. The freelancer is the one who decides whether or not to accept a certain wage. The freelancer is always free to say, "No, thanks. That's not enough."

JMHO

[Eric Lorence]

Whats the quality like a $2 per hour?

[Josh Anderson]

In 1989 I washed dishes for $3.85 an hour.

That was minimum wage at the time.

In Minnesota Minimum wage today is $5.25 an hour.

If you put it in perspective it does not seem all that crazy that people are willing to work in India for $2 an hour. I bet there are many who get paid much less working jobs locally.

When I was a pre teen I remember my neighbors paying me two bits to mow their lawn... of course I also remember feeling they were stingy and not wanting to do it again.

[sevenish]

I've worked with outsourced teams a few months ago located in Viet Nam charging a combined rate of USD$35 / hr. while the client I was working with (a publicly-traded company) billed USD$200 for the same work.

Another forum that I frequent has a team ready to go for certain types of work for USD$2 / hr.

They're advertising services; I'm buying. Where is the ethical issue? Where is the exploitation? Slavery?! Nope. I'll not even address that.

I live in Manhattan and am raising kids by myself, so I need 140K per annum minimum to get by. In Mumbai or Ho Chi Min the economics are a bit different.

Again, if they advertise the services at discounted rates what's the issue with purchasing those services?

[GoTrends]

Wow ... I just got this in the email from Michelle MacPhearson

[Richard Tunnah]

I agree that it's all in relation to the cost of living and what the amount will buy in the providers country. For instance in the UK the minimum wage of $11 (equivalent) means that people need a second job or to do long hours to be able to rent a small studio flat and live (well certainly in my city!). So does that mean that we should pay $20, $30, $50 or $100 an hour to give a UK based provider a good living otherwise it's slave labour?

Rich

[tj]

Originally Posted by GoTrends

Wow ... I just got this in the email from Michelle MacPhearson

you got what?

[Mark Riddle]

Question time,

How many here on the warrior forum, have spent hours and hours setting up web pages, writing article, promoting affiliate programs and even after all those hours......

The niche wasn't profitable

The traffic they paid to drive to the sign up didn't sign up

Would they in fact been better off working for $2 an hour?

Back in 1977 I was a Projectionist for a national chain of theaters making $5.25 an hour.

I choose to leave that job, move 800+ miles away, for $4.74 an hour, everyone told me I was crazy to leave that high paying job.

The Job I took was for Texas Instruments, That was the start of my 20 years in electronics.

Determining what some job may or not may be worth with out complete details and an idea of the persons reasons for taking the job, is foolishness.

Mark

[eireen]

Ok, Here in the Philippines. $1 is equivalent to 49.50 philippine peso. And daily wage here is Php 380.00 and that's for 8 hrs already, So if Someone is paying somebody $1/hour thats already Php 396.00, And if you're a freelancer like me, I can work more than 8 hrs a day at home, that means i dont have to spend for my transportation, i dont have to rush for heavy traffic and im comfortable in my working area.
But there are still high paying jobs here. I think and am sure, most of the freelancers are mom's who want an extra income while staying at home, or some partimers or those people who is a little old. When i say a little old i mean you are in your late 20's. Yes , that's the bad thing here. Companies are hiring people 30 yrs old below, or 25 yrs old below only. Well, am done with $1 per hr. Found a lot of options and am earning more than that. But still am grateful that someone out there like Mr Jonh Jonas is helping filipinos.

[Alice Seba]

So a question for those who think it is ethical and live in Canada, U.S., G.B. etc. where these types of low wages don't exist...

Everyone is saying that $2/hour is a good wage in many parts. I don't dispute that, but as business owners in wealthier countries, you can afford to pay more (if not, there may be other issues to look at) . So, instead of giving them a "good job", why not double it up, pay $4/hour and give them an AMAZING opportunity?

I guess that's where the balance is for me. Sure, you're doing good for people, but you can damn well do better for these people and still take home plenty for yourself. And imagine the loyalty you'll gain by making this gesture...and that's the key...gaining loyalty and people who will learn your business needs and work with you long term.

It doesn't take people long before they realize they are much more valuable than they previously realized....and THAT is the beauty of the free market system to me. :-)

Me - I pay my VA $25/hour and she is worth every penny. But I'm just crazy like that. ;-)

Alice

[Dixiebelle]

Originally Posted by Raymond Edeh

The truth is that it is morally wrong.
It's a graphic example of exploitation and modern way of slavery...


Kindest,
Raymond

I thought when Barak Obama was elected President, this kind of remark would stop. Guess I was wrong.

Dixie

[Kevin Riley]

What's with the word "ethics" today? It's being tossed around a lot.

Anyways, the word capitalism comes from the fact that entrepreneurs capitalize off the labours of others. And, if we can get workers willing to work for $2/hour it means we can capitalize off that. If you want set wages and controls on how we pay people, it means we have to invite Karl Marx and Co back again.

Also, I've slung heavy hay bales for $2/hr. It was the early 1970s, and I was getting paid a lot more than my buddies in the city.

[Martin Luxton]

So a question for those who think it is ethical and live in Canada, U.S., G.B. etc. where these types of low wages don't exist...

Countries like the US and the UK have a large population of illegal immigrants who will work in dangerous or crappy jobs for almost nothing. Some people even contend that without this black market workforce agriculture and the restaurant business would be in big trouble.

In the 80s I worked in a restaurant where the Polish dishwasher was getting $120 for a 90 hour week.

When I found this out I was disgusted with the owner but the Polish guy begged me not to say anything. It was the only job he could find and he was actually earning double his parents' combined income (they were doctors!). Basically, he was going to spend 2 years in London then go back to Poland where he would be able to buy a big farm with the money he saved.

So before you talk ethics (but the restaurant owner was a real sh*t), think about the good the money can do in the hands of a motivated person. Two years and he became a rich farmer in his country, helping his family, creating jobs, adding to the wealth of his country . . .

If you haven't lived in a country with desperately poor people it's hard to realize how a small regular income can transform someone's life.

In the Kingdom of the Poor the internet freelancer is King

The difficult issue that people might have to address, which was mentioned earlier in the thread but didn't get much attention, is

What happens when you get desperate, unemployed Americans applying for these $2 an hour jobs?

"Sorry, I feel bad paying a fellow American such a low wage"

or

"Hey, you're American so I'll pay you $8 an hour"

We all have to follow our own individual conscience.


Martin

[Colin Evans]

Originally Posted by Alice Seba

Everyone is saying that $2/hour is a good wage in many parts. I don't dispute that, but as business owners in wealthier countries, you can afford to pay more (if not, there may be other issues to look at) . So, instead of giving them a "good job", why not double it up, pay $4/hour and give them an AMAZING opportunity?

Personally, I'd rather pay two people $2 than one person $4 - that way there's two happy people (make that families) instead of only one (IMO it also gives the local economy a more effective boost when two people earn an income instead of one higher paid person)...

[Jon Alexander]

I would have had a problem with it previously, but now I've automated it, I get articles for ... like 2 cents each, so shelling out $2 an hour to me sounds like a HELL of a lot!

It doesn't really matter what local conditions are, unfortunately, the internet is global, and the work follows the path of least expense. For the sensible, that means automation, autoblogging, that kind of thing.

[L.Roman]

To be honest, $2.00 over there is like $25.00 here, so no, it's not unethical. That IMer just found a better way to profit, more power to him.

And that is what actually happened to the website industry, you had people from other countries do it really cheap because of the money exchange value.

Why would someone pay $300 for a website, when they can pay $100 to someone in another country...

[Preben Frenning]

I think many people here are forgetting that you even TRAIN the workers, and pay them for learning. - Something they can take advantage of later anyways.

If a great marketer teaches a guy in the philipines about building his business, and paying he more as he gets better at it, he will eventually have the possibilty to start HIS OWN BUSINESS, and then do exactly the same with fellow people in his country.
That is, teaching them about internet marketing, as well as they make a living learning, and experiencing at the cost of the one they are working for.

Then it goes around in that circle, and the people in the west actually help the economy in Asia. - And it's a win-win situation!

There are of course a few ethical dilemmas etc., But I think the benefit is a lot greater than that. Also morally.

- Preben

[Preben Frenning]

I forgot to mention transportation, and flexible lifestyle.
Heck, even someone who was doomed for losing their legs could get paid better than his healthy friends for working from home!

Another thing...paying them a starting wage of $4, for training included
IS NOT RIGHT!!!

That would be like giving them money, and is extremely unfair.

Even if we could easily afford to pay that kind of money, it would simply be plain wrong. At least in the beginning.

But once they have learned a bit, and you feel they are becoming a great
resource to you, and you think they are better at doing internet marketing
than most filipino's, THEN you could pay them the $4.

So when other filipinos ask them what they make, they say:
"Hey, I make $4/hour working for a guy IN THE STATES! - Because
I'm great at internet marketing! - Which he also taught me! - You should talk to him if interested"

Simply giving them $4/hours because we can is just plain wrong.
That would decrease the value and willingness to work locally, and
would even ruin their long-term economy.

It would also increase the gap between rich and poor, which I believe is
already quite big.

At least I think it's something to keep in mind when doing this.

P.S. eireen from the Filipines see it as we are HELPING the filipinos,
and she is grateful.

The last thing I want to emphasize is that they have no experience,other
than they can speak english.

We litterarily take them under our wings, and pay them for it as well!
- That might sound a bit too great, but I'm sure you get the point.

- Preben

P.S. This is just my opinion. You might have a different one, and that's ok =)

[ofir]

Originally Posted by AndyCamden

I personally think is unethical. Some will think differently. The fact of the matter is that people will work for that much.

I Agree with Andy.

[novasoft]

Originally Posted by doop

I just received an e-mail from a marketer..... check out the video for yourself here:

Replace Myself | HomePage

The guy is paying workers in the Philippines about $1-$2 PER HOUR to create his "Ultimate IM Lifestyle".

Now I'm all for outsourcing - in fact i wouldn't be nearly as successful online if it wasn't for outsourcing.

BUT WE HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE SOMEWHERE....

Now my question is - Is this crossing the line of ethical employment?!

Is he "exploiting" these people....?

Its not just the Philippines, I got a captcha typer from the U.S who types 1000 captchas for me for $2, would you believe that.

I got this lady from getafreelancer, who speaks perfect English and seems educated, and she said she was disabled etc so I upped her to $5 per 1000, but the point is that its a free market and if a person is happy with that amount then I guess its ok.

[GoTrends]

Originally Posted by tj

you got what?

She sent an email about this same site about outsourcing that we're discussing here.

She sent a recommendation for it in the email.

So it was just interesting to come on Warrior Forum and see the site and topic discussed.

- TRENDS

[naruq]

I do not think it is unethical if the person agrees to do the job for $2.00 per hour. If the person who was outsourcing the job forced the individual to do the job for $2.00 per hour then this would be a different story.

[Mark Brian]

The minimum wage in the Philippines is about $8/day, yes per day not per hour. Those who receives this kind of pay are those with the most modest jobs, not the office desk type of jobs / computer literate requirements.

I tell you this minimum wage people are barely making ends meet. The cost of living in the Philippines are not really that cheap if you weigh it to the minimum wage. A decent 3x/day meal for a family of three is not enough for the minimum wager. The bottom line is: I think the minimum wage in the Philippines itself is more unethical than the $2/hr rate of that outsourcing site.

[Mike McBride]

Beating a dead horse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[X]

I was shocked the first time I saw John
put a gun to one these guy's head,
forcing them to work for $2.00 per hour.

Honestly, I can't believe people work
jobs for $10, 15, 20 per hour. Not when
I can send out an 8 line email and make
that every 10 minutes regardless of
whether I'm working, sitting on the
toilet, taking a hike or sleeping.

Nobody forces anyone to work for that
and I've been told from Filipino's that
$90 per month is the average income.

$2 per hour, or $300 per month is a very
nice living and I think most are very
grateful for the work.

It's not unethical at all. It's not harming
anyone and it's very likely helping. Is it
exploitation that someone who lives in
Texas, generally, is paid less than someone
would be paid who lives in NYC?

It's all relative and most Texans would
argue they have a higher quality of life
even if wages are lower because the
cost of living is lower.

X

PS - John Jonas is a genius and I'll be
joining his program.

[Paul Myers]

Raymond,

My father use to say that one man is meat and another man is poison.

Ouch!

This is a great example of the challenge of translating this sort of thing.

It's "One man's meat is another man's poison."

Unless your dad was Hannibal Lecter...


Paul

[Frank Bruno]

hmmmm.... interesting I just brought on another full time employee about 2 weeks ago for $1.25 hr and they are estatic.

They would think I'm a god to bump their pay to $2-$3 hr.

Frank Bruno

[JPMaroney]

Originally Posted by Michael Forey

I think it is all relative to the standard of living. If that same person could only get $1 working for someone else it is great pay.

Michael Forey

AGREE!!!

That's what I was thinking the whole time -- and was scanning the thread looking to see if someone else had said it before posting it.

[Chris Lockwood]

Originally Posted by Raymond Edeh

The truth is that it is morally wrong.
It's a graphic example of exploitation and modern way of slavery...

That's a real insult to people who really WERE slaves, taken against their will, families separated, treated worse than animals.

To compare someone freely working for a wage to slavery is really offensive.

[Sean Hoffman]

Someone has to be the bottom feeder.

[matthewd]

A little late to this, but take a look at the graph here: PayScale Philippines - All People in All Surveys Salary, Average Salaries

It shows that a freaking RN makes a little over PHP 100,000/year which comes out to a little over $2,000 USD/year.

Now, let's say this guys outsourcers work at $2 USD for him full time all year long... they are making over $4,000 USD to do it... which is twice what a Registered Nurse in their country makes.

Just because it is low pay to us does not mean it is taking advantage of them... they are making good money relative to where they are.

[cloudchaser22]

Originally Posted by naruq

I do not think it is unethical if the person agrees to do the job for $2.00 per hour. If the person who was outsourcing the job forced the individual to do the job for $2.00 per hour then this would be a different story.

Sorry I made a mistake saying $2.00 per hour...
The Filipino worker is actually getting paid $1.00 - $1.75 per hour, which is even lower :/

Some person mentioned that: $2/hour/Philippines = $25/hour/US
Does that also mean that: $1/hour/Philippines = $12.50/hour/US?