How do i do this honestly? Don't want a guilty conscience!

by Oryx
12 replies
Okay so here's the deal. I have ghost written, done copy, some web design, support, sales calls, research, and various other IM related tasks as an EMPLOYEE of a successful IMer.

I've learned tons of useful skills and have participated in 6 figure launches.

Some even view this person as a guru, although not on the highest tier such as Kern and Diess and others.

I don't work for this person anymore but occasionally work with him. The problem is, I am related to this person and we share the same last name.

I am also married to a warrior on here who has some status and some wso's.

My issue is this:

I don't want to effect the reputation of either of the other people, and I don't want to have their reputation reflect on me.

I have written several advertisements and many of them have produced great conversions. On a OTO for one sales process I was getting 20% to buy the upsell.

I've done the bulk of a lot of product creation as a ghost writer and tons of other things that I can't use as references because I am obviously closely related to the IMer that I was working for. So I couldn't use my real name and I didn't get any credit for it.

I don't want to hide behind a pen name forever, but at the same time, I don't want others to think my credentials are suspicious or have nepotism cast a doubtful shadow over anything I do.

Also, I feel that operating under a pen name, then pretending to NOT be related to people that I sometimes work with or get referrals from is dishonest and I hate having to pretend to be someone else. It feels slimy and I don't get any credit for my accomplishments.

I've had people referred to me both through my spouse, and my other successful IM relative for copy jobs and other technical writing jobs, and have run into problems once people realize my connection with them.

I want to post on the classifieds and offer my services to the warriors here, as well as build some notoriety under my own name, but I don't want to seem like I'm riding coat tails, or doing anything furtive (such as promoting or being promoted by spouse or close relative which is obviously discredited by favoritism)

If anyone has ever had to deal with a similar circumstance or has any advice on how I can handle my situation in an honest, honorable, warrior-forum approved manner, I would be very very grateful to hear your opinions.

Even though this account is new, I've been a loyal and contributing member of the WF for years. Please help!
#conscience #guilty #honestly
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
    I don't see anything wrong with riding the success of others. I'm sure that you would receive more work because you are the spouse of xyz and worked for xyz. However, I am people might expect high quality work because of that.

    But, like I said, I see nothing wrong with revealing your "true identity", Mr. Kent :p
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
    To me it sounds like you're over-thinking it.

    If it were me, I'd just get out there and use my name and if anything ever came up, I'd be like... "Look, I'm not my relative." (Think Bob Marley's son and Jacob Dylan who's Bob Dylan's son)

    When you start putting yourself out there, it's all you and has nothing to do with anyone else.

    You've been behind the scenes doing it, so I wouldn't let something like you're describing stop me from going out there and making it happen for myself.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wizardofwisdom
    Oryx ... take a deep breath ... and listen...

    (Honestly, you should have posted this on the Mind & Spirit section!)

    You are seeing your "heritage" as if it was a cross to bear - it isn't! It's just who you are, so enjoy it.

    Whoever you are, whatever you do some people will love it, others will be jealous of it, and the plain, unvarnished truth is going to be that the vast majority of folks won't give a hoot.

    You're worrying far too much about what other people might think, and honestly, as long as you don't screw them over, (and with your integrity you obviously won't), their opinion of you is their issue, not yours.

    The great Dr. Wayne Dyer, (Google him if you don't know the name), once said in a lecture that if he is speaking to 100 people then there are 101 versions of his reputation in that room. The only one that counts is his own. As long as his integrity is intact and he knows he has spoken from his heart and given his best shot, what others think of him is none of his business!

    Be proud to be whoever you are, come out of hiding and deliver more of what you're obviously already good at! I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that I could probably learn some useful stuff from you ... so out with it!

    Hope that helps!

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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    There are so many histories about former students of former workers that start their own IM adventure and became successful by themselves.

    I'm always look up at Brian G Johnson he was the one who led the Alex Goad's Google Conquest webinars, and I find his Commission Ritual one of the best IM products, he knew how to stand out by himself.

    That's is one role model I wish to follow.

    Or the case of the Fox brothers Chris and Andrew both have their own success.

    Of course always will be people who will think that you are taking advantage of the guru's name, but you can't avoid that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oryx
    Thanks for the input! I'm really glad that you guys took the time to reply to such a long post. I would thank you if I could, but haven't posted enough with this new account to earn the privilege.

    I think the problem in my mind is this:

    I have quite a bit of experience and knowledge, but I've never done anything on my own. Only part as a team. I don't have a knack for public image, and my spouse is much more personable (not to mention attractive) than I am.

    So most of our ideas, projects, marketing, products, blogging, etc all have my spouse's face on it. While I work on all that with my spouse (obviously we share income), I want to get back into technical writing and freelance copy and such to add to our income.

    I'm afraid that if i start offering my writing services for super cheap, and people were able to make the connection, thoughts like this might start springing up:

    "If person a is married to person b who is making money online, and is related to person c who is KILLING it online, then why is person a writing articles for $5?"

    To say it plainly, I don't want the fact that I am (on my own, under my own name) not making a lot of money at the moment to reflect negatively on the expertise, image and positioning of the people related to me.

    Am I over thinking this or do any of you see a problem here?
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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    Sorry but I do see a problem...

    With all your copywriting experience and your expertise why on earth would you write articles for $5?

    You have a background, you wrote for X and Y and if your writing skills are good enough then you can charge whatever you want.

    And probably not every people will take the work to connect the dots, or even care about who the guru is or who your husband is making online.

    But that's just me.
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    • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
      You already made it clear what you really want to do ...so just come out and DO IT.

      And make sure you value your services and charge accordingly.
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      • Profile picture of the author Oryx
        Originally Posted by neodarth View Post

        Sorry but I do see a problem...

        With all your copywriting experience and your expertise why on earth would you write articles for $5?

        You have a background, you wrote for X and Y and if your writing skills are good enough then you can charge whatever you want.

        And probably not every people will take the work to connect the dots, or even care about who the guru is or who your husband is making online.

        But that's just me.
        Well obviously it seems silly to write articles for $5 or offer sales pages for $300 when I used to get paid around $1,500 per sales letter, but here is my reasoning:

        I have never written under my own name, many of the projects and products that I worked on cannot be used as references, and I have just recently returned to working on IM after almost two years of pursuing other things.

        Also, I've been doing a lot of work on projects with my spouse, but all under my spouse's name and face.

        So now my plan was to build up my credentials through testimonials by offering services for cheap at first.

        Also, I do not have the same connections to clients that I used to when working for my relative. It's hard to get work from people who can afford the rates I was used to charging, especially now that I plan to start over.

        And just like many people, I'm not making as much money in general as I used to and I am not too proud to work hard for low income at first if that's what needs to be done to get back on track.

        I feel I need to prove my worth before I can charge accordingly. I don't have a whole lot from my past experiences that I can show off.

        But again, thank you guys for all your input!



        Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

        You already made it clear what you really want to do ...so just come out and DO IT.

        And make sure you value your services and charge accordingly.
        I will and I'm grateful for your support!
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  • Profile picture of the author jeeps
    You are thinking and acting like an employee.

    You know the IM world. Get started.
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    • Profile picture of the author doorkicker13
      Just do what you do. Offer your services and produce quality work, if it's quality nobody can complain. Besides, nobody should question WHY you are offering quality service for cheap - it's your product, your price.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    As a great man once said:

    This above all: to thine own self be true
    And that has to be the starting point for everything you do.

    Your name is your name, you shouldn't feel the need to hide it. You should be proud of it and everything that comes along with it. And if you are proud, strong, and you create the same kind of quality that it sounds you always have in the pass, nothing but good things will be associated with it.

    I'm not sure what kind of trouble you got when someone realized your association with one of your family members, but I am sure that its source was nothing to be concerned with. If you deliver value and someone chooses to give that up for a reason that has no effect on how they can benefit from your skills, it's their loss and you're better off without that attitude in your life.

    You can be abundantly different from your family members, and as long as you clearly stand on your own two feet people will respect you for who you are.

    For example, in Australia we have two public figures both in politics, two brothers. They both share the same name, and one is at a high level of our right wing party, the other is a high level member of our left wing party. They are chalk and cheese, and it hasn't prevented either one from being respected as an individual.

    I say start first with pride in yourself, transparency, confidence, and a willingness to say, "This is me, I know my stuff, I absolutely deliver so let's talk about what I can do for you."

    It doesn't even matter if you never share a whisper of your success in the past, as soon as you open up your own shop doors your proof and reputation will start to grow and you'll have tomes of it in no time.

    By the way I'd love it if you'd shoot me a message some time to let me know when you are doing your own thing under your own name, as with honesty and thoughtfulness like you've shown for your family, I'd like to work with you myself down the track.
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