What's your take on Twitter ethics?

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By that I mean do you automatically follow your followers back on twitter?
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Yet again...

    How is this a matter of ethics? Do you know what that word means?

    It has to do with right and wrong, good and evil. Not "What's your preference?," or, "What works best for you?"


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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      I actually send them a fruit basket with a letter stating I am watching them, always.

      I wonder why I don't have anyone following me?
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        I wonder why I don't have anyone following me?
        They can't follow you if you're behind them all the time.

        This explains that whole "sheep with the ebooks" thing, too...


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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          They can't follow you if you're behind them all the time.

          This explains that whole "sheep with the ebooks" thing, too...


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          Jeez, you're making me sound like I am from New Zealand now. lol
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            Thomas,
            Jeez, you're making me sound like I am from New Zealand now. lol
            Scotland, in this hemisphere.


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      • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        I actually send them a fruit basket with a letter stating I am watching them, always.

        I wonder why I don't have anyone following me?
        Don't take it personally that I changed my name, left the state and entered the federal witness protection program right after I got the fruit basket...
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by Dana_W View Post

          Don't take it personally that I changed my name, left the state and entered the federal witness protection program right after I got the fruit basket...
          Was it the fruit basket or the picture of my sheep that frightened you?
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          • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            Was it the fruit basket or the picture of my sheep that frightened you?
            It was the dark van following me everywhere - some people take the "I'll be your Twitter follower" thing a Lit-tel too literally!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        I actually send them a fruit basket with a letter stating I am watching them, always.

        I wonder why I don't have anyone following me?
        TWEET: Not happy with your fruit basket. Some bananas brown and squishy. Unfollow.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

          TWEET: Not happy with your fruit basket. Some bananas brown and squishy. Unfollow.

          TWEET: Those weren't bananas.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Yet again...
      How is this a matter of ethics? Do you know what that word means?
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      You don't take that lightly when someone throws that word around
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        You don't take that lightly when someone throws that word around
        Not when it's a matter of personal preference, no. That just feeds the lunatic fringe, who want to make every disappointment or peeve a reason to accuse someone of being an unethical crook.

        And how would you know that unless... Hey! Are you following me???


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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


          And how would you know that unless... Hey! Are you following me???


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          I hope you didn't get a fruit basket from Dolly.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Thomas,
            I hope you didn't get a fruit basket from Dolly.
            Is that the MaskedMarketer's real name?? How'd you find that out?


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            • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Thomas,Is that the MaskedMarketer's real name?? How'd you find that out?
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              keep guessing
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    • Profile picture of the author Li Weng
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Yet again...

      How is this a matter of ethics? Do you know what that word means?

      It has to do with right and wrong, good and evil. Not "What's your preference?," or, "What works best for you?"


      Paul

      Well some people do believe it's "wrong" to not follow people back, and it's "evil" to not follow back.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Li,
        Well some people do believe it's "wrong" to not follow people back, and it's "evil" to not follow back.
        Only because it hurts their fragile little egos.

        If someone I don't know decides to follow me on Twitter, how is it "evil" for me to not follow them? Or even if I do know them?

        That is not a question of ethics, no matter how many deranged egotists say it is. It's a P.r.e.f.e.r.e.n.c.e.

        Sorry if this sounds harsh, but the idea that it's somehow evil to not follow someone back on Twitter is just... offensive. (And yeah, that's a personal preference, too.)


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      • Profile picture of the author sevenish
        Originally Posted by Li Weng View Post

        Well some people do believe it's "wrong" to not follow people back, and it's "evil" to not follow back.
        Why?

        Here's what I teach my kids: It's neither "wrong" nor is it "evil" to exercise one's best judgment when it comes to whom one chooses to include into one's group of friends -- whether close or otherwise.

        @Paul Myers: apologies in advance for an excessively passive voice.

        Just because someone aspires to be a "friend" to any one of my kids (someone whom will be allowed to contribute noise, chatter and possible influence in their lives) doesn't necessarily mean they can actually be the friend to which they aspire. It's about mutual support and richness of experience with that "friend".

        I teach them to trust their guts, and they do. So far so good.

        But just because someone is following you is not sufficient reason to allow them to twitter away at their pleasure into your chat log.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Sevenish,

          I have a friend (a real one, as in, offline friend) who I followed on Twitter until she started opening every day with, "Hello, World!" Then mentioned everything she was doing, all day long. When she asked why I stopped following her, I said, "You know I don't do mindless chatter well."

          She blushed and said, "Oh. Okay." I still don't follow her, and we're still friends. She didn't reach for a wooden stake or crucifix to drive the evil out.


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          • Profile picture of the author sevenish
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Sevenish,

            I have a friend (a real one, as in, offline friend) who I followed on Twitter until she started opening every day with, "Hello, World!" Then mentioned everything she was doing, all day long. When she asked why I stopped following her, I said, "You know I don't do mindless chatter well."

            She blushed and said, "Oh. Okay." I still don't follow her, and we're still friends. She didn't reach for a wooden stake or crucifix to drive the evil out.


            Paul
            My youngest (7) will call me from school a few times per semester asking to come home for lunch with a friend. Here in NYC we don't do lunch at home for school-aged children at that age. It takes all kinds of release signatures to even be considered. but I'm usually here at home and trust his judgment. It's usually about someone whom he has befriended who needs some help & support and he's tacitly asking for my help to help someone else.

            My kids do their best to help those whom they can, and invite them for lunch, sleepovers.

            I guess the bottom line for me is in teaching them to choose their friends wisely, and they are able to do so.
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            • Profile picture of the author ripsnorta2
              Not to put words in the OP's mouth, but he probably meant etiquette. Ethics is more associated with moral behaviour, but etiquette really talks about social behaviour.

              Like it or not, all groups have their own set of rules about what is, or isn't, acceptable -- even the Warriors Forum. And Twitter does have rules. For example, spamming isn't acceptable.

              So it's probably not inappropriate for Li to ask if anyone here knows about proper Twitiquette.

              Just a poor choice of words is all.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Not to put words in the OP's mouth, but he probably meant etiquette.
                Indeed. That would have made for a very different response.


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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                  Dana,
                  There are plenty of big name internet marketers like Joel Comm and Willie Crawford and John Reese who DO follow most people back.
                  And most of them don't ever see what the people they're following are saying, except those in the special lists on their desktop software.

                  Not that I have a problem with that. Just pointing out the reality of the situation. A LOT of this stuff is automated.

                  I could do a lot with Twitter except for one small thing: I really, really don't do mindless chatter well, and that (or constant announcements of blog posts) is about all I see.

                  Doesn't hold much attraction for me. Although it would be cool to do a newsletter on Twitter, just to see how much I could fit in one of those spaces.


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                  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
                    Hey Paul,

                    Thought you'd like to know that I'm going for a shower. Then I'm going to take the dog for a walk. After that I'll stick some pins into my voodoo doll of Harvey Segal and then make some soup for lunch.

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                    • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
                      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post

                      Hey Paul,

                      Thought you'd like to know that I'm going for a shower. Then I'm going to take the dog for a walk. After that I'll stick some pins into my voodoo doll of Harvey Segal and then make some soup for lunch.

                      Pearson

                      Pearson, that's 201 characters! You'll have to leave the dog at home.

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                    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                      Pearson,
                      Thought you'd like to know that I'm going for a shower. Then I'm going to take the dog for a walk. After that I'll stick some pins into my voodoo doll of Harvey Segal and then make some soup for lunch.
                      YEAH! Just like that!

                      Maybe you should have a Muffin with your soup, and take your blog for a walk. (John's gonna shoot me for that one...)

                      I understand that some people like that kind of thing. That's okay. I'm just not good at it, unless there's some humor involved to make it a challenge.


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                      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


                        Maybe you should have a Muffin with your soup, and take your blog for a walk. (John's gonna shoot me for that one...)
                        Any man who names his dog Muffin is just asking for it. I think the chill wind has been blowing up Taylor's kilt too long.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                          Kevin,
                          Any man who names his dog Muffin is just asking for it.
                          I'm in no position to throw that stone. My cat's name is Dumbass. Which information is just pointless enough to qualify as a Tweet.

                          And you might want to be careful of the glass house effect yourself, Mr Riley. A grown man playing with hamsters, even of the adolescent radioactive black belt variety, is in no position to take shots at a dignified elderly man with a spaniel.

                          (Huh? What? Wuzzzup, JT?)


                          Martin,

                          [chuckle] Okay. That was funny.


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                          • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
                            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                            A grown man playing with hamsters, even of the adolescent radioactive black belt variety, is in no position to take shots at a dignified elderly man with a spaniel.

                            (Huh? What? Wuzzzup, JT?)

                            Paul
                            Two out of three aint bad!

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                            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                              John,
                              Two out of three aint bad!
                              [ahem] There were four. Or does the spaniel not count? Huh? Huh? (Muffin... are you reading this?)

                              Anyway, I know. I had to throw 'dignified' in there to counter Smiley's scandalous reference to the wind blowing up your skirt. Although it does present an interesting Photoshopportunity. (So, John, how good is your Marilyn Monroe impersonation?)


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                      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
                        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                        Pearson,YEAH! Just like that!

                        Maybe you should have a Muffin with your soup, and take your blog for a walk. (John's gonna shoot me for that one...)

                        I understand that some people like that kind of thing. That's okay. I'm just not good at it, unless there's some humor involved to make it a challenge.


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                        Cause they can't even make me titter

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                  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
                    [quote=Paul Myers;297876]Dana,And most of them don't ever see what the people they're following are saying, except those in the special lists on their desktop software.

                    Not that I have a problem with that. Just pointing out the reality of the situation. A LOT of this stuff is automated.

                    I'm sure that's true - but I've gotten answers on Twitter from all of the above people, and from Frank Kern - who actually only follows 13 people which does annoy the heck out of me - so I know they jump in sometimes and talk to people on Twitter. I think that's smart marketing - spend a few minutes a day interacting, build your audience, see what your customers are thinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author cclou
    People are welcome to follow me, though I don't promise to post anything interesting on twitter.

    When someone follows me, I look at their posts. If they seem interesting, I'll probably follow them back.

    I'm following several people, like Wil Wheaton and Felicia Day, who are obviously not going to follow me back. (It's obvious because they're famous, but since they aren't household names it's probably not obvious to most Warriors).

    I want you to follow me because you are interested in me, not because you want me to be interested in you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      I'll bet you that a lot more people here know who Wil Wheaton is than you'd think. There are lots of geeks in the Warriors.

      Besides, he's funny. Pretty smart, too, except for that whole Mac thing.


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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    ahh... Stand By Me... such a great movie... and of course TNG

    oops... I've exposed my geekness...

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  • Profile picture of the author Chad Heffelfinger
    I agree, this whole issue has gotten rather rediculous. There is no right or wrong on Twitter or any set rules other than what people put on themselves and others.

    I have even seen blog posts where they rip people and "guru's" apart for not following every single person who follows them. Some people will not follow anyone who doesn't follow all their followers back.

    Twitter is open to be what you want it to be, there is no reason a small group of people who make a big stink over something should influence everyone to feel like there are clear cut written rules that everyone must follow.

    What you do on Twitter and how you use it is a CHOICE that you make. You don't have to do anything. The only thing that matters is YOUR followers and what they want and expect from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetM39482
    Can't understand ethics. Etiquette suits better IMO.

    I do not follow everyone who follows me :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
    As for ethics - I don't think it's an ethical question - but I follow back almost everyone who follows me, and I dislike it when I see someone with 5000 followers who only follows 10 people back. I just think it's an ego trip thing, and if they don't want to hear what i have to say, why should I listen to what they have to say? There are plenty of big name internet marketers like Joel Comm and Willie Crawford and John Reese who DO follow most people back.

    I'm not saying I can literally interact with all 3700 people who I am following, but whenever I go on Twitter I converse with as many people as I can. The more relationships that I build - the more potential customers I have.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kentara
    Some people just like to "collect" friends not just in forums such as this or other social sites, but also in real life. Smacks of insecurity really.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McBride
    I could do a lot with Twitter except for one small thing: I really, really don't do mindless chatter well, and that (or constant announcements of blog posts) is about all I see.
    I won't say that's ALL I see, but there is an abundance of that sort of thing, which absolutely mystifies me.

    I've unfollowed a number of people - including a few Warriors - because my screen was filled with "mindless chatter" and inside conversations that just seemed so absolutely pointless, I hated even having to waste the time to skip over them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Mike,
      I won't say that's ALL I see, but there is an abundance of that sort of thing, which absolutely mystifies me.
      I can see a real purpose in it. Top of mind awareness. Not in the traditional branding sense, but in one more suited to the social media.

      I suspect there's more than a little bit of exhibitionism in it, too.


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  • Profile picture of the author wsbmllc
    IF you follow everyone, then how the heck do you keep up with everyone?

    I mean, if your internet marketing strategy relies in keeping up with all of your followers on Twitter, then you are missing out on the bigger picture. You want everyone following you! Not the other way around.

    As for ethics, I think it is in poor judgment to only do something with some sort of expectation back. And this also goes for life as well.

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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    Twitter works the way you want it to work.

    Want to stay in the loop with your favorite 25 marketers only, but not interested in developing a big network of followers? It works perfectly that way.

    Want to build a HUGE follower list by mass-following everyone else's follower list? You can do that too.

    Want to follow ONLY those who follow you? Easy peasy. Just use TwitterKarma and Qwitter.

    Want to build a niche-specific group of followers that are outside of your personal space? Simple. Just create an account for that niche and search for followers at search.twitter.com

    I find "position taking" about what's acceptable on Twitter to be somewhat meaningless. Twitter is what you want it to be. Nothing more, nothing less. That's kind of what makes it so cool.

    And as far as "Twitholding" goes (you follow a handful while many follow you)... That's all relative too.

    Jeff Walker just followed me the other day because of a post of mine he read right here at the Warrior Forum. He follows 44 people with 4,300 following him.

    John Reese followed all 5,000 of his Facebook friends the day he joined Twitter (I remember the day... Shoulda heard the piety from the peanut gallery)...

    Dr. Mani and I have had some very enjoyable and thought provoking Twitter conversations and he's not following me at all.

    Yesterday, even though I don't know him personally, I was joking with Gary Vee (you spell it..) about his appearance on CBS Early News at 9 in the morning for his new Wine 101 book (Julie Chen and her "how many bones" questions slayed both of us). He immediately followed me back.

    You never know who may or when somebody will want to be in your Twitter space, so just let it happen.

    Just have something to say, be fun to be around, and let it be what it is.

    Personally, I find Twitter to be the most enjoyable and rewarding social network I use... by far. Most because I can jump in and out, anytime, for as long or as little as I like. I can jump to a favorite's timeline and see what's up with them in a blink.

    Also, I find Twitter to be the "fastest" news on the planet right now. Make of that what you will.

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  • Profile picture of the author jayden.fellze
    Originally Posted by Li Weng View Post

    By that I mean do you automatically follow your followers back on twitter?
    Its not a matter of ethics any longer. If I am not incorrect, Twitter started as a service where people could tell others what they were upto (in short status messages).
    With time, Twitter evolved to be one of the most powerful tools where people could get and read anything and everything!
    So, naturally, internet marketing professionals have started using twitter for the their own good.
    Now, twitter is flooded by internet marketers and people who wish to use twitter to popularize their websites/blogs etc.
    So, as far as personal opinion is concerned, I would term it as professional courtesy and follow my followers back
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  • Profile picture of the author richfit
    It's a matter of systematizing work flow and being more efficient ultimately! If someone follows you then have the decency to follow them back. Either way it's your choice. Why do you have a twitter account?

    That needs to be answered first and foremost!

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    • Profile picture of the author Barbara Eyre
      I honestly do not expect all who I follow to follow me back. Just like I do not follow all those who follow me. They may be interested in what I have to say/do, but their interests don't match mine. That is the way of the world.

      I follow Wil Wheaton, Felicia Day, John Cleese, Stephen Fry, Greg and David from Heroes (I think there is a few more I'm missing) ... all celebs. Many of them follow me back, but I never expected it.

      The same goes with the marketing big boys/gals. Most have not followed me back. Am I crying? Nope! They still get my tweets when I message them. So, no big deal to me.

      If you got something they want, they will eventually realize they need to be following you for that. That is how we all learn, each day, that there is someone new in our fields of interests that we should be following.
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  • Profile picture of the author LivelyBrowser
    hi, why should I need to automatical follow back? It is too easy to follow back from twitter website. Just open my follower list, then click add friends one by one. that's done. However, it's hard to get followers, so I think what people need to automatic is following friends who are not following you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      I don't even have a twitter account. I guess that makes me the most unethical of all.
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