Article Directories that allow "duplicate" content..

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Hey warriors.

I know this question has been asked a lot of times,
yet, I couldn't find a good comprehensive answer.

So, here it is...

I am an EZA author. I have written unique content,
and it's published on EZA.

Now, what are some article directories, where I can re-publish
the same articles as on EZA. I do not want to spin the articles,
and submit them "as-is".

Thanks
Karan
#article #content #directories #duplicate
  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Hi Karan,

    I believe only Buzzle require completely unique unpublished content.

    Although not article directories, Hubpages and Squidoo both now want unique content too.

    It doesn't hurt to change the titles and resource boxes a bit either but a quick read through most directories TOS show's they're happy to publish unchanged versions of your work. Just be sure to index each article on your site/blog first.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      I doesn't hurt to change the titles and resource boxes a bit either...
      I've often wondered if this is such a great idea.

      Truly syndicated content would usually just be an exact copy of the original article. Changing up titles, adding a few extra words here and there, and re-arranging the wording of the resource box would be things someone who was trying to 'beat the system' and re-use original content for their own benefit, would do.

      Is this the impression we want to give to the search engines? Maybe I am wrong...
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        I've often wondered if this is such a great idea.

        Truly syndicated content would usually just be an exact copy of the original article. Changing up titles, adding a few extra words here and there, and re-arranging the wording of the resource box would be things someone who was trying to 'beat the system' and re-use original content for their own benefit, would do.

        Is this the impression we want to give to the search engines? Maybe I am wrong...

        I never change article titles, but I am happy to change up my resource boxes on occasion.
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        • Profile picture of the author matt5409
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          I never change article titles, but I am happy to change up my resource boxes on occasion.
          agreed - the resource box is supplementary but the title is part of the article.

          personally i rarely change anything.

          in answer to the OP - republish your content wherever you want. if what whatever reason the directory removes it on the ground of duplication - you know never to visit that site again!
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        I've often wondered if this is such a great idea.

        Truly syndicated content would usually just be an exact copy of the original article. Changing up titles, adding a few extra words here and there, and re-arranging the wording of the resource box would be things someone who was trying to 'beat the system' and re-use original content for their own benefit, would do.

        Is this the impression we want to give to the search engines? Maybe I am wrong...
        I agree Will and I don't actually do this, I've just heard a few good article writers say they do this and thought I'd throw it in.

        I'm not encouraging "beating the system"
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        • Profile picture of the author WillR
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          I agree Will and I don't actually do this, I've just heard a few good article writers say they do this and thought I'd throw it in.

          I'm not encouraging "beating the system"
          Richard,

          I wouldn't know whether it makes a difference or not. Was something I literally only thought of as I typed it. Are Google THAT smart...?
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by WillR View Post

            Richard,

            I wouldn't know whether it makes a difference or not. Was something I literally only thought of as I typed it. Are Google THAT smart...?
            I think Bills best placed to answer that one but when I hear what some people do and some of the things I see people get away with, I'd say - no.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      Hi Karan,

      I believe only Buzzle require completely unique unpublished content.

      Although not article directories, Hubpages and Squidoo both now want unique content too.

      I doesn't hurt to change the titles and resource boxes a bit either but a quick read through most directories TOS show's they're happy to publish unchanged versions of your work. Just be sure to index each article on your site/blog first.
      Hi Richard.

      Yeah. I'm already publishing at Buzzle.
      But, I need more such sites.

      And yes, I definitely modify the title and bio box.

      ======

      And may be wrong choice of words, but what are the sites, where I can re-publish and syndicate my content?

      Thanks

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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

        Hi Richard.

        Yeah. I'm already publishing at Buzzle.
        But, I need more such sites.

        And yes, I definitely modify the title and bio box.

        ======

        And may be wrong choice of words, but what are the sites, where I can re-publish and syndicate my content?

        Thanks

        Karan
        I'm confused,

        As Bill said, all article directories allow you to publish your work, unchanged, to their directories.

        Buzzle, is not a directory and requires unique content only. So don't publish to your site then to Buzzle.

        Or am I missing this totally?
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          I'm confused,

          As Bill said, all article directories allow you to publish your work, unchanged, to their directories.

          Buzzle, is not a directory and requires unique content only. So don't publish to your site then to Buzzle.

          Or am I missing this totally?

          I have never used Buzzle to be honest. I have to take your word for it that they require unique content.

          If you want to spin your content a bit with a different title and slight changes in the article to put that same article into Buzzle, I don't know, that would be your call...


          I will draw an exception to what I said before about never changing titles.

          I will syndicate it once, and if the article doesn't meet the level of success I expected from it, I might put a new title on it and try again. But I will not syndicate it through the same set of article directories I did the first time, as I have enough respect for what they do to not try to cheat the rules, even for a single article.
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            I have never used Buzzle to be honest. I have to take your word for it that they require unique content.
            Actually Bill, I tried to use them some time ago and I never got accepted.

            It was the only place I couldn't get into, so I left it.

            It was only since I've been here and heard Alexa saying it needs unique content that I thought maybe that was why.

            So, don't take my word for it either, I really ever only submit my work to a few directories anyway.
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        • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          I'm confused,

          As Bill said, all article directories allow you to publish your work, unchanged, to their directories.

          Buzzle, is not a directory and requires unique content only. So don't publish to your site then to Buzzle.

          Or am I missing this totally?
          Seems like I'm confused now. I have already published 2 of my articles on Buzzle, that were already on EZA.
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

            Seems like I'm confused now. I have already published 2 of my articles on Buzzle, that were already on EZA.
            Well it's quite possible I'm wrong, it is second hand info I'm giving you on Buzzle, I don't use them. Have a read of their TOS. TOS change and it's up to us to keep up to date with them.

            Either way, what you have done, putting it on EZA then on other directories, is fine and nothing to worry about.

            Sorry if I've confused you.
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          • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
            Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

            Seems like I'm confused now. I have already published 2 of my articles on Buzzle, that were already on EZA.
            That's interesting. I tried doing that a couple times and the articles were deleted.

            To be honest though, just for the heck of it the other day, I wrote an article in one of my niches thay is super competitive. Just wanted to give Buzzle a quick test FWIW. It's bringing a pretty nice flow of traffic through from that one article, so I may give it a whirl again to see what else it can bring. Besides, it took me less than 10 minutes to write, since I write content for this niche day in and day out, so time factor wasn't an issue.

            The other thing I don't like about Buzzle though? The fact they only allow 5 articles pending approval at a time and their approval rates are 3 to 4 days. This wouldn't be bad if they allowed more submissions to be pending, and that's why I don't submit to them much.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

        And may be wrong choice of words, but what are the sites, where I can re-publish and syndicate my content?

        A short list will include:

        ArticlesBase.com
        IdeaMarketers.com
        ArticleCity.com
        ArticleStars.com
        Website-Articles.net
        Articles4Reprint.com
        ArticleContentProvider/articlesubmit
        GoArticles.com
        ArticleDashboard.com
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        • Profile picture of the author schttrj
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          A short list will include:

          ArticlesBase.com
          IdeaMarketers.com
          ArticleCity.com
          ArticleStars.com
          Website-Articles.net
          Articles4Reprint.com
          ArticleContentProvider/articlesubmit
          GoArticles.com
          ArticleDashboard.com
          You have to first understand why you are doing article marketing in the first place? Traffic or backlink?
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

            You have to first understand why you are doing article marketing in the first place? Traffic or backlink?
            With all due respect chap, I think Bill knows why he's doing article marketing.

            Just a quick question, what's the end goal of backlinks?

            Traffic maybe? Or have I missed something?
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    The ones Richard mentioned aren't true article directories, but rather content hubs.

    I cannot think of a single article directory that requires "never published anywhere else" articles.

    Article directories have been designed to syndicate your content, and as such, they are happy if you let them syndicate the content that others are also syndicating on your behalf.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      The ones Richard mentioned aren't true article directories, but rather content hubs.

      I cannot think of a single article directory that requires "never published anywhere else" articles.
      Sorry Bill, I thought Buzzle was a directory, my mistake.

      I did make it clear Squidoo and Hubpages were not directories though, hence..

      Although not article directories,...
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    Originally Posted by tpw View Post

    A short list will include:

    ArticlesBase.com
    IdeaMarketers.com
    ArticleCity.com
    ArticleStars.com
    Website-Articles.net
    Articles4Reprint.com
    ArticleContentProvider/articlesubmit
    GoArticles.com
    ArticleDashboard.com
    Hey

    Thanks for the list. But from ArticleBase:

    # All articles must be original articles.
    From Ideamarketers:

    As a writer, you may only submit ORIGINAL articles written by YOU! Your employee or assistant may post for you with your permission.
    So, can I still re-publish my content? Would really appreciate the help.

    Karan
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  • Profile picture of the author petevamp
    Here is a large list of article directories. You would have to read through the terms on them to see which ones allow duplicate content but for the most part I know for a fact that the top 100 on this list do allow duplicate content. I also want to point out that as others have stated already I seldomly change any of the article titles but I do modify the resources to target different pages on my site. Anyhow here is a rather large list for you hope everyone enjoys. Article Directories - List Of Free Article Directory Sites
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    • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
      Originally Posted by petevamp View Post

      Here is a large list of article directories. You would have to read through the terms on them to see which ones allow duplicate content but for the most part I know for a fact that the top 100 on this list do allow duplicate content. I also want to point out that as others have stated already I seldomly change any of the article titles but I do modify the resources to target different pages on my site. Anyhow here is a rather large list for you hope everyone enjoys. Article Directories - List Of Free Article Directory Sites
      Seems nice. I;ll go through it.

      Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by saisais View Post

          hi ,
          I like the way you are saying this but the article directory also have thier own limitation and power. If they find any dulpicacy then they can ban that account.

          How do you know?

          Mind sharing links to the Article Directory Terms Of Service pages that prove what you are saying?

          I have been a service provider in the article marketing industry for more than a decade, and I have never seen any kind of proof to back up what you are saying...
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by saisais View Post

          hi ,
          I like the way you are saying this but the article directory also have thier own limitation and power. If they find any dulpicacy then they can ban that account.
          With all due respect, do you actually read the TOS of these sites? Just asking because you've come in here with total misinformation.

          How long have you done this for? I've been at it for years and in this thread are some of the top article writers you'll ever know, so...

          I like the way you come in and post your point of view....Which is just plain misinformation and wrong.

          You see I much prefer facts, not your opinion.

          alanmaster4 - as per my point of view so many article submission sites are accept duplicate content. like hubpages and buzzle, eza not accept duplicate content.
          Hubpages and Buzzle don't accept duplicate content. That's already been discussed and agreed.

          EZA actually advise you to put your article on your own site first. Better still, they even have a plugin to let you publish on your own site first then submit to EZA.

          Please explain how EZA don't accept it but happily give you a plugin to do it?

          Perhaps you need to take this up with EZA, seeing as you think you know more about their TOS than they do.

          Worth a think, don't you reckon?

          Arttse - ...and InfoBarrel (PR4)
          As Alexa has pointed out, it's not an article directory, so not even relevant to this thread.

          Also, PR4? So what? Did you realise that the PR of a site like infobarrel doesn't have a PR4 on every page? Do you know what PR is? It's the PR of the homepage, not the page, on the site, that your article is on.

          It's a common and very misguided misconception that by having your article on a PR4 site, you get the same PR link.

          Nothing could be further from the truth.

          Please understand what PR is before coming here and telling everyone what you think or have been told it is.

          Don't believe me? Go to Google PR checker, Google it... Look at the EZA homepage, check the PR, then find one of your articles, take the URL and see what the PR is of the page you're on.

          PR is the rank of the home page, not the site. If we could publish an article on any page, on a PR "whatever" site, it may just be called "Site ranK" instead of "Page rank" (?)
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          • Profile picture of the author schttrj
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            With all due respect, do you actually read the TOS of these sites? Just asking because you've come in here with total misinformation.

            How long have you done this for? I've been at it for years and in this thread are some of the top article writers you'll ever know, so...

            I like the way you come in and post your point of view....Which is just plain misinformation and wrong.

            You see I much prefer facts, not your opinion.

            Hubpages and Buzzle don't accept duplicate content. That's already been discussed and agreed.

            EZA actually advise you to put your article on your own site first. Better still, they even have a plugin to let you publish on your own site first then submit to EZA.

            Please explain how EZA don't accept it but happily give you a plugin to do it?

            Perhaps you need to take this up with EZA, seeing as you think you know more about their TOS than they do.

            Worth a think, don't you reckon?

            As Alexa has pointed out, it's not an article directory, so not even relevant to this thread.

            Also, PR4? So what? Did you realise that the PR of a site like infobarrel doesn't have a PR4 on every page? Do you know what PR is? It's the PR of the homepage, not the page, on the site, that your article is on.

            It's a common and very misguided misconception that by having your article on a PR4 site, you get the same PR link.

            Nothing could be further from the truth.

            Please understand what PR is before coming here and telling everyone what you think or have been told it is.

            Don't believe me? Go to Google PR checker, Google it... Look at the EZA homepage, check the PR, then find one of your articles, take the URL and see what the PR is of the page you're on.

            PR is the rank of the home page, not the site. If we could publish an article on any page, on a PR "whatever" site, it may just be called "Site ranK" instead of "Page rank" (?)
            First of all, cool down a bit.

            You sound pretty excited.

            Secondly, Hubpages DO accept duplicate content, but they DON'T allow promotional links in that, except to other hubs.
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              Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

              First of all, cool down a bit.

              You sound pretty excited.

              Secondly, Hubpages DO accept duplicate content, but they DON'T allow promotional links in that, except to other hubs.
              Yeah sorry dude, I poured some cold water over my head and sat in the freezer for a bit. I'm real cool now.

              TOS have changed, either way you've picked up on a tiny part of my arguement. In fact, miniscule.

              You quoted my entire post and picked up on one tiny error, that appears to have changed since I last used them.

              Ok, big deal, I'll re-phrase it...

              You can re-publish your work on every article directory except Squidoo and Buzzle (but check there TOS first, in case they've changed)

              Either way chap, a Hubpage isn't even an article directory (and neither is a Squidoo page or Buzzle page) and not even relevant to this thread.

              I only mentioned it as some people think it is so as to help them understand.

              Thanks for pointing out the very minor discrepency though, I'm sure that'll help out. :rolleyes:
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                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                Yeah sorry dude, I poured some cold water over my head and sat in the freezer for a bit. I'm real cool now.

                TOS have changed, either way you've picked up on a tiny part of my arguement. In fact, miniscule.

                You quoted my entire post and picked up on one tiny error, that appears to have changed since I last used them.

                Ok, big deal, I'll re-phrase it...

                You can re-publish your work on every article directory except Squidoo and Buzzle (but check there TOS first, in case they've changed)

                Either way chap, a Hubpage isn't even an article directory (and neither is a Squidoo page or Buzzle page) and not even relevant to this thread.

                I only mentioned it as some people think it is so as to help them understand.

                Thanks for pointing out the very minor discrepency though, I'm sure that'll help out. :rolleyes:
                Oops! You are again getting agitated...your blood pressure will soar high...phew!

                And sometimes, ONE tiny, minuscule mistake can do grave harm...!

                But needless to say, a content hub is still an extended form of article directory with better features.

                Then again, I am just one ignorant prick...what do I know?
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                • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
                  Article directory = a directory of articles with the specific purpose and goal of being centrally located for content publishers to put on their sites. They have the right to use this content as long as they leave the resource box in place.

                  Content hub = a place with a bunch of content. While in theory it "Seems" like an article directory, it is not. A publisher will not be here looking for content to syndicate on their websites, and using any content verbatim from a hub is a copyright infringement.

                  They are far from the same thing. While they both have loads of content, the uses of the two are totally different.

                  Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                  Oops! You are again getting agitated...your blood pressure will soar high...phew!

                  And sometimes, ONE tiny, minuscule mistake can do grave harm...!

                  But needless to say, a content hub is still an extended form of article directory with better features.

                  Then again, I am just one ignorant prick...what do I know?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
                    Originally Posted by Clintoc View Post

                    Article directory = a directory of articles with the specific purpose and goal of being centrally located for content publishers to put on their sites. They have the right to use this content as long as they leave the resource box in place.

                    Content hub = a place with a bunch of content. While in theory it "Seems" like an article directory, it is not. A publisher will not be here looking for content to syndicate on their websites, and using any content verbatim from a hub is a copyright infringement.

                    They are far from the same thing. While they both have loads of content, the uses of the two are totally different.
                    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                    Sorry, but it just isn't any form of article directory at all: it serves a totally, totally different function!

                    An article directory is a depository of freely available online content to which webmasters and ezine/newsletter compilers can go to source the freely available content (subject to the sites' TOS, of course) they want to take for their websites/ezines/newsletters. That's why they exist and what they're there for.
                    Very well said, folks. That should pretty much differentiate between a hub and article directories. So, thanks to you, and others for their inputs.

                    Anyways, we went a little off-topic. So, the question again, this time revised:

                    What are some article directories or content syndication points, that allow content to be re-published?

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                  Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                  Oops! You are again getting agitated...your blood pressure will soar high...phew!

                  And sometimes, ONE tiny, minuscule mistake can do grave harm...!

                  But needless to say, a content hub is still an extended form of article directory with better features.

                  Then again, I am just one ignorant prick...what do I know?
                  Dude, I'm not agitated. I'm in a freezer and you're not an ignorant p****, hell, I know I'm not right all or even most of the time.

                  We could go on about his all night, you're a nice guy, so am I.

                  Point is this, hubs are not article directories.

                  Article directories are where people go to get articles.

                  What's that got to do with a hubpage? Where does it say on your Hubpage I can re-print your content on my site?

                  They are two different beasts.

                  They're only an extension if all you focus on is backlinks.

                  But what do I know, I'm just an ignorant......
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                  Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                  needless to say, a content hub is still an extended form of article directory with better features.
                  Sorry, but it just isn't any form of article directory at all: it serves a totally, totally different function!

                  An article directory is a depository of freely available online content to which webmasters and ezine/newsletter compilers can go to source the freely available content (subject to the sites' TOS, of course) they want to take for their websites/ezines/newsletters. That's why they exist and what they're there for.
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                  • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                    Originally Posted by Clintoc View Post

                    Article directory = a directory of articles with the specific purpose and goal of being centrally located for content publishers to put on their sites. They have the right to use this content as long as they leave the resource box in place.

                    Content hub = a place with a bunch of content. While in theory it "Seems" like an article directory, it is not. A publisher will not be here looking for content to syndicate on their websites, and using any content verbatim from a hub is a copyright infringement.

                    They are far from the same thing. While they both have loads of content, the uses of the two are totally different.
                    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                    Dude, I'm not agitated. I'm in a freezer and you're not an ignorant p****, hell, I know I'm not right all or even most of the time.

                    We could go on about his all night, you're a nice guy, so am I.

                    Point is this, hubs are not article directories.

                    Article directories are where people go to get articles.

                    What's that got to do with a hubpage? Where does it say on your Hubpage I can re-print your content on my site?

                    They are two different beasts.

                    They're only an extension if all you focus on is backlinks.

                    But what do I know, I'm just an ignorant......
                    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                    Sorry, but it just isn't any form of article directory at all: it serves a totally, totally different function!

                    An article directory is a depository of freely available online content to which webmasters and ezine/newsletter compilers can go to source the freely available content (subject to the sites' TOS, of course) they want to take for their websites/ezines/newsletters. That's why they exist and what they're there for.
                    I absolutely missed the "syndication" point. Thanks for reminding me!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                      Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                      I absolutely missed the "syndication" point. Thanks for reminding me!
                      Sir,

                      I'd also like to say I wasn't "agitated" with you.

                      I've read many of your posts and they make a lot of sense.

                      Today, we were just barking up different tree's.
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                      • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                        Sir,

                        I'd also like to say I wasn't "agitated" with you.

                        I've read many of your posts and they make a lot of sense.

                        Today, we were just barking up different tree's.
                        Oh come on! Let's go and have beer.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                          Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                          Oh come on! Let's go and have beer.
                          It'll have to be one of those "cross continental ones", so here's the deal, in precisely five minutes from when I post this, I'll open a beer and drink to you my friend.

                          You have to do the same.

                          Starting from....now!
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                          • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                            It'll have to be one of those "cross continental ones", so here's the deal, in precisely five minutes from when I post this, I'll open a beer and drink to you my friend.

                            You have to do the same.

                            Starting from....now!
                            Ha ha ha...the beer can in my hand already!

                            On better thought, I guess we are ruining the thread now ;-) Let's keep our li'l party to ourselves
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          • Profile picture of the author ForeignProfessor
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            PR is the rank of the home page, not the site. If we could publish an article on any page, on a PR "whatever" site, it may just be called "Site ranK" instead of "Page rank" (?)
            Interestingly, the name comes from Larry Page rather than webpage. The whole Page Rank thing isn't just for webpages, it's an algorithm for more general use too.

            (I read the Wikipedia entry on Pagerank last week )
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by ForeignProfessor View Post

              Interestingly, the name comes from Larry Page rather than webpage. The whole Page Rank thing isn't just for webpages, it's an algorithm for more general use too.

              (I read the Wikipedia entry on Pagerank last week )
              Well done, this has also been pointed out by Alexa to be a joke. Not everything on Wikipedia is factual.

              Either way it's irrelevant, PR does stand for page rank and is not the rank of the entire site. Which was my point.

              Google PR checker can be Googled and you can see for yourself. EZA has a home page PR of 6, have a look at the URL of the page your article is on.

              I'm well aware of what you have pointed out but as a large section of the forum seem to think that by putting an article on EZA instantly gives you a PR6 backlink, it's easier to explain it the way I did, without going into too much depth.
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                Originally Posted by ForeignProfessor View Post

                Interestingly, the name comes from Larry Page rather than webpage.
                It really doesn't, David: that started off as a joke - as Google has clarified. A couple of Google employees made facetious comments, some years ago, about "page rank" originally having been "named after Larry Page", and (like so many urban myths of internet marketing) because on one level it sounded plausible, people actually started believing and spreading the myth!

                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                a large section of the forum seem to think that by putting an article on EZA instantly gives you a PR6 backlink
                Indeed. :rolleyes:

                What people believe about article directories and article marketing is, if you'll excuse the word in this context, unbelievable. The conversations typically remind me of the Red Queen from Alice In Wonderland: "Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
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                • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                  The conversations typically remind me of the Red Queen from Alice In Wonderland: "Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
                  HA HA HA!! ROLF!
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                  • Profile picture of the author glennda
                    Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

                    HA HA HA!! ROLF!
                    Karan,

                    If this topic is clearer to you now, can you do me a favor and sum it up for me? I'm finding, the more I read, the more confused I'm getting and I would like to see your spin on this please (pardon the pun)

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                    • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
                      Originally Posted by glennda View Post

                      Karan,

                      If this topic is clearer to you now, can you do me a favor and sum it up for me? I'm finding, the more I read, the more confused I'm getting and I would like to see your spin on this please (pardon the pun)

                      Brenda
                      Hey Brenda.

                      Sure, here I present whatever (almost) that I've learned through this thread.

                      1. Almost all article directories allow article syndication

                      2. It is advisable to change the resource box in each submission

                      3. You may want to link back to the original article from each copy.

                      4. Always publish an article on your site first. Wait for it to index in search engines

                      5. Article copies on directories like EZA will rank initially higher than your site, but that's temporary.

                      6. NEVER publish same content on a single domain multiple times.

                      7. You should always want to offer extra value to the readers by backlinking to another page and consistent backlinking to one page on your website for it to rank high. (schttrj)

                      8.

                      9. "Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."

                      That pretty much should summarize this thread!

                      Add more if I missed something, folks.

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                        Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

                        Hey Brenda.

                        Sure, here I present whatever (almost) that I've learned through this thread.

                        1. Almost all article directories allow article syndication

                        2. It is advisable to change the resource box in each submission

                        3. You may want to link back to the original article from each copy.

                        4. Always publish an article on your site first. Wait for it to index in search engines

                        5. Article copies on directories like EZA will rank initially higher than your site, but that's temporary.

                        6. NEVER publish same content on a single domain multiple times.

                        7. You should always want to offer extra value to the readers by backlinking to another page and consistent backlinking to one page on your website for it to rank high. (schttrj)

                        8.

                        9. "Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."

                        That pretty much should summarize this thread!

                        Add more if I missed something, folks.

                        Karan
                        Thanks Karan,

                        That is a fair summary of it all.

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                      • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                        Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

                        2. It is advisable to change the resource box in each submission
                        Just had a question. Didn't follow the thread. Why do you think changing of resource box is advisable? Or whoever advised that?
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                        • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
                          Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                          Just had a question. Didn't follow the thread. Why do you think changing of resource box is advisable? Or whoever advised that?
                          As far as I know, this question was never raised in this thread, yet the point came.

                          My personal opinion on this would be to have diversity in your anchor text, and the minor text around your link. Also, it is always good to practice deep-linking.

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                          • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                            Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

                            As far as I know, this question was never raised in this thread, yet the point came.

                            My personal opinion on this would be to have diversity in your anchor text, and the minor text around your link. Also, it is always good to practice deep-linking.

                            Karan
                            Diversity in the anchor text can be achieved even without tampering the total resource box. I guess, the text around it should be the main aim here.

                            But the question is, does it really matter when all the preceding content is same on all the sites?
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                              For myself, I wouldn't be able (let alone willing) to write two different articles with the same resource-box.

                              And anyone who does has a very fundamentally different concept of "resource-box" from my own.

                              How would one be supposed to make the article "flow into the resource box", if the resource-box were the same on every article?!
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                              • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                                For myself, I wouldn't be able (let alone willing) to write two different articles with the same resource-box.
                                So you mean, you write article A with a resource box A and submit it to article directories X, Y, Z. Then you write article B with a resource box B and submit it to article directories X, Y, Z. Right?

                                How would one be supposed to make the article "flow into the resource box", if the resource-box were the same on every article?!
                                Well, with a generalized resource box you actually can.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
                                  Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                                  Well, with a generalized resource box you actually can.
                                  How powerful can a generalized resource box be? I mean think about writing a line or two that would perfectly craft a pathway for users to click a link, even though they are reading a weight loss article, or an IM product review.

                                  The farthest you can go in this kind of a resource box is something like this.

                                  That's the view <name> holds about <niche/topic>. To learn more on same, point your web browser to <link>.

                                  Or maybe something with a few more words. But really, is that so powerful?

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                                  • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                                    Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

                                    How powerful can a generalized resource box be? I mean think about writing a line or two that would perfectly craft a pathway for users to click a link, even though they are reading a weight loss article, or an IM product review.

                                    The farthest you can go in this kind of a resource box is something like this.

                                    That's the view <name> holds about <niche/topic>. To learn more on same, point your web browser to <link>.

                                    Or maybe something with a few more words. But really, is that so powerful?

                                    Karan
                                    Well, if you ask me, the power of the resource box depends on the article niche and the resource box copy!

                                    If you use a dating resource box with health loss article, it's seldom gonna work. If you use super duper "flirting women" resource box for all your approaching women articles, it's still gonna work!

                                    When someone searches with a keyword, he has the whole semantic list in his subconscious mind.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                                  Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                                  So you mean, you write article A with a resource box A and submit it to article directories X, Y, Z. Then you write article B with a resource box B and submit it to article directories X, Y, Z. Right?
                                  Right. (After publishing them both on my own site and having them indexed there, obviously).

                                  Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                                  Well, with a generalized resource box you actually can.
                                  "Thanks, but no thanks". Whichever model of article marketing you're using, even if all you're doing is trying to get traffic and backlinks from article directories (which is barely "article marketing" at all), there's no conceivable upside at all to doing that.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                                    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                                    "Thanks, but no thanks". Whichever model of article marketing you're using, even if all you're doing is trying to get traffic and backlinks from article directories (which is barely "article marketing" at all), there's no conceivable upside at all to doing that.
                                    Well, I actually was thinking that people suggested changing the resource box every time you submit article A to article directories X, Y, Z...that's all.

                                    Now that would be hard and time-consuming! I am in love with the short cuts you know.

                                    Well, I guess I am not a good article marketer then, 'cos I use article marketing for those two purposes only. Syndication is doubtful, to me at least. There are more content thieves than moral ezine publishers.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                                      Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                                      Syndication is doubtful, to me at least. There are more content thieves than moral ezine publishers.
                                      That depends on what sort of articles you write.

                                      But in any case, the prospect of people stealing your content without attribution/links is (a) not intrinsically connected with whether or not you're using a syndication model, and (b) trivially easy to deal with anyway: you have two pre-written emails and you just send them out as and when appropriate.

                                      Avoiding proper article marketing "because you're scared of content thieves" is the same as not opening a shop because you're scared of shoplifters: it's pure defeatism, Ron.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                                        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                                        That depends on what sort of articles you write.

                                        But in any case, the prospect of people stealing your content without attribution/links is (a) not intrinsically connected with whether or not you're using a syndication model, and (b) trivially easy to deal with anyway: you have two pre-written emails and you just send them out as and when appropriate.

                                        Avoiding proper article marketing "because you're scared of content thieves" is the same as not opening a shop because you're scared of shoplifters: it's pure defeatism, Ron.
                                        Ha ha

                                        Well, as I said, I DO article marketing, and just that I don't hope much syndication from there. Yes, some of the articles are properly syndicated no doubt. I never took the time to go chase the thieves, that's it.

                                        So, moral of the story, if I get syndication, I feel lucky...But consciously, I know that I am getting traffic and backlinks...that's for sure.
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                                          Having just written only TWO long informative articles (geared towards syndication), there's no way a generic resource box would give any punch to the end of the article.

                                          It's more than just doing "That's so-and-so's viewpoint on X topic" Both articles are on a variation of the same topic, but each has a clearly different focus. And both articles end differently.

                                          It would be fairly lame if I had gotten so engaging in the whole article and ended with a non-compelling sentence in the resource box. It's just one, maybe two sentences. Worth the time, I believe.
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                                          • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
                                            Originally Posted by ELK View Post

                                            Having just written only TWO long informative articles (geared towards syndication), there's no way a generic resource box would give any punch to the end of the article.
                                            Yeah. True. And that's why writing a new resource box for a new article is advisable.

                                            But then again, it is contradictory to what someone else said to have a different resource box for each syndication of even the same article.

                                            Any highlights?

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                                          • Profile picture of the author ELK
                                            Karan,

                                            I don't know of any specific advantage to that. I have also read that a few do that, but I'm not sure how much difference that makes.

                                            I hope someone with much more authority in article marketing (preferably syndication since that is my interest) can give a more compelling reason to do it or provide insight on why it may not be necessary.
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                                            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                                              Originally Posted by ELK View Post

                                              I don't know of any specific advantage to that.
                                              Well ... when people syndicate from article directories, they take the resource-box that's there. And since some article directories will let you get away with some things that others won't (such as self-serving links in the text, or more links in the resource-box, or whatever), there might be some advantage in using slightly different resource-boxes at different directories, just on the general principle that you might as well get away with what they let you get away with?

                                              But then again, you need to take great care with resource-boxes when you're writing for syndication.

                                              The ones you send to people by email (mostly people who've syndicated one from EZA in the past, in my case), of course, you can end the article however you like, can't you? That's not really a "resource-box" per se. And, of course, those are the most important copies!

                                              Between you and me, a lot of the people who find others steal their work without the resource-box are using resource-boxes that nobody would want on their site. Of course, they never blame themselves for "someone stealing their work", and you can sort of see why not ... but in my opinion there's often "contributory negligence" involved, to put it politely. Yes, you ought to be able to leave your car in the middle of the city late on a Saturday night with the doors unlocked and the key in the ignition, and nobody ought to steal it, and if they do it wasn't "your fault" that they broke the law, but I'm still locking mine and activating my immobiliser and my alarm, all the same.

                                              I don't always bother with different resource-boxes on the same article in different directories, anyway.

                                              But I literally couldn't use the same resource-box on two different articles, because I run the article into the resource-box and finish it there.

                                              I honestly do think using exactly the same resource-box on multiple articles is a huge mistake and missed opportunity.

                                              This whole business of "resource-boxes" is a bit of an overblown concept. It's the end of the article.

                                              Have a look at the articles at EZA: can you see where the article ends and where the resource-box begins?

                                              Well, maybe, yes ... and so can I, because we know what a "resource-box" is and how to look for it. But the average reader doesn't at all.

                                              So I want my article ending in the "resource-box" and then a period, and no paragraph-break, and another sentence with my first link. And then a paragraph-break and a bit more with my second link. The last two or three lines might look like a "resource-box" and the reader doesn't know that the paragraph before was also "in the resource-box".

                                              They allow you 15% of the article length as "resource-box", and some of us use it! (In fact they even allow you a bit more, once they know you well enough to accept all your articles and publish them in hours. The more you submit there without ever causing a problem/rejection, the more you can get away with, but you didn't hear that from me ).

                                              And - even better news - sometimes the outsourced workers of people who habitually take articles without the resource-box apparently don't notice that either, because they're pretty dozy half the time and don't really care anyway, and if you do it that way, they'll sometimes think that they've left the resource-box behind and actually preserve one of your links. Try this - it works!

                                              Originally Posted by ELK View Post

                                              I hope someone with much more authority in article marketing (preferably syndication since that is my interest) can give a more compelling reason to do it or provide insight on why it may not be necessary.
                                              Nah ... doubt it very much. We can all comment on what we do, though ...
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                                              • Profile picture of the author ELK
                                                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post


                                                They allow you 15% of the article length as "resource-box", and some of us use it!
                                                I did notice that I wasn't coming anywhere close to filling that up and I wondered about it. I love that tip!

                                                I'm glad you responded - and yes, you have more authority on this subject than I do. I'm happy to hear more strategic ways of using it. And yes, even with just the few sentences I have currently put in there, I still have to use a unique "resource box".

                                                Thanks for taking the time to add your insight
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                                              • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                                                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                                                Between you and me, a lot of the people who find others steal their work without the resource-box are using resource-boxes that nobody would want on their site. Of course, they never blame themselves for "someone stealing their work", and you can sort of see why not ... but in my opinion there's often "contributory negligence" involved, to put it politely. Yes, you ought to be able to leave your car in the middle of the city late on a Saturday night with the doors unlocked and the key in the ignition, and nobody ought to steal it, and if they do it wasn't "your fault" that they broke the law, but I'm still locking mine and activating my immobiliser and my alarm, all the same.
                                                Not gonna argue with you on this one, 'cos I have NO stats of my stolen goods to show here...

                                                But just give it a thought. Search around and you will find that this petty concept has been widely discussed by MOST major internet marketers...

                                                And to look at it from a different view point, if you produce 1000 unique quality articles, you will have, perhaps, around 50 stolen (just a rough guess!), and that's only quoting at the lower end...

                                                Many would say that you have got 950 quality articles left for yourself, but why waste those 50 QUALITY articles even?! And numbers can be even more frustrating for some (mainly for quality writers)....

                                                ...And yeah, I would just say the world is NOT an ideal place, and if it would have been, there wouldn't have been the term 'copyright' and the internet legal companies would have gone bankrupt.

                                                So, yeah, why leave your car in the middle of road at midnight even?! Why can't you just keep in the garage? 'Cos smashing the windows and using a fake key is not that hard, is it?
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                                                • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                                                  Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                                                  And to look at it from a different view point, if you produce 1000 unique quality articles, you will have, perhaps, around 50 stolen (just a rough guess!), and that's only quoting at the lower end...

                                                  Many would say that you have got 950 quality articles left for yourself, but why waste those 50 QUALITY articles even?! And numbers can be even more frustrating for some (mainly for quality writers)....
                                                  If you'll excuse the observation, what's different about that point of view, Ron, is that it isn't actually a valid one, for the simple reason that an article in a directory isn't an item in a shop: it can be stolen by someone AND sit there being lawfully and correctly syndicated by others, too. You're not actually "losing" anything when that happens. You still have 1,000 articles, not 950 as you mistakenly allege. :rolleyes:
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                                                  • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                                                    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                                                    If you'll excuse the observation, what's different about that point of view, Ron, is that it isn't actually a valid one, for the simple reason that an article in a directory isn't an item in a shop: it can be stolen by someone AND sit there being lawfully and correctly syndicated by others, too. You're not actually "losing" anything when that happens. You still have 1,000 articles, not 950 as you mistakenly allege. :rolleyes:
                                                    Of course!

                                                    I am not saying that article marketing is bad. Each and everything has its own merits and demerits. I was just looking at the demerits, for a change.

                                                    In fact, how many marketing methods are so effective at generating traffic and backlinks? I would wonder!

                                                    Okay, for a change, Article marketing DOES work, and maybe that's why even I have downloaded the Article Marketing Robot. But unfortunately, it doesn't send me a confirmation email. Phew!
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    • Profile picture of the author arttse
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      You can re-publish the same articles as on EZA, to all intents and purposes, without spinning, in any/every article directory apart from Buzzle.

      Good luck!
      ...and InfoBarrel (PR4)
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      Originally Posted by arttse View Post

      ...and InfoBarrel (PR4)
      InfoBarrel is NOT an article directory!!

      As I just commented above: there are several confused/confusing comments above (in addition to the usual plain factual misstatements found in every thread on this subject!) from posters who have not appreciated the hugely significant difference between "article directories" specifically, and the much broader, vaguer term "article submission sites" (which include article directories among other kinds of sites). Call me a skepchick, and all that, but is it surprising that the success-rate of article marketers is apparently so small, and that there are so many threads started off here under titles like "Article marketing doesn't work any more", when so few people understand what an article directory is?!
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    • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      I hope it was originally published and indexed on your own site first?! It would be a great shame to give all your unique content to any article directory before publishing it yourself, which takes only a few minutes to do, after all.
      No. My content is strictly just on EZA as of now. But from now on, I'm going to publish it on my site first!

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Very wise.

      You can re-publish the same articles as on EZA, to all intents and purposes, without spinning, in any/every article directory apart from Buzzle.
      Well, that's a straight-forward answer. No offenses to other posters, of course. You inputs are also valuable.

      Thanks Alexa.

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      [QUOTE=Alexa Smith;3373557]This is completely wrong. This post may help you: it explains why, in detail.



      I hope it was originally published and indexed on your own site first?!

      This was good advise that I didn't realize. Thank you for the link above.
      So to be clear, if I write content for my own site, I can re submit the same content (if I wanted to) to other places like EZA and not change one thing on it?

      Thank you
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      • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
        That should be your plan of action, Glennda. Slap it on your website first before sending it anywhere.

        Now you need to check the TOS of the area you are sending the article to make sure this is the case. There are directories that only want original content, and being that they have never sent me any significant amount of traffic I have never bothered with them.

        The bigger directories allow it, and the biggest encourages it.
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        • Profile picture of the author glennda
          Originally Posted by Clintoc View Post

          That should be your plan of action, Glennda. Slap it on your website first before sending it anywhere.

          Now you need to check the TOS of the area you are sending the article to make sure this is the case. There are directories that only want original content, and being that they have never sent me any significant amount of traffic I have never bothered with them.

          The bigger directories allow it, and the biggest encourages it.
          Thank you for replying. That does make sense, I am looking to be noticed so the more places I submit to the better for me. I make quality content articles so they are time consuming, so it would make sense to be able to submit to a lot of different directories. If I think about it, if I only submit to EZA, well then I'm really targeting a small amount of people. However, if I put the same information on goarticles for example, now the chances have increased my article will be seen and so on.

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          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Yes, absolutely, Brenda: it's what I've done with over 1,000 articles. (The only change I make is the addition of the resource-box which, obviously enough, I don't need on my own sites).

          You can also submit them to any other article directory apart from "Buzzle".

          The backlinks you'll get from any/all of those copies are identical in every way (including "backlink-juice") to the backlinks you'd get by spinning/editing/changing the articles, or by completely re-writing them.

          Unless your site's already on its way to being an "authority site", when you do this, the EZA copy will probably (not always) briefly rank higher in Google than the copy on your own site, but that's temporary, and the more times you do that with different articles, the more temporary (i.e. briefer!) it will be each time, until eventually it'll be your own site that ranks highly (which is, of course, the desired outcome).

          The great benefit is that when you do this, it becomes very easy to outrank EZA (and any other directory), so that you don't end up in this "difficult" situation in which an article directory is constantly outranking your own site for your own keywords.
          Hi Alexa

          Your name is one of the ones I look for when I need to be put back on track. Sometimes, the internet information highway is so distracting. Then again, rules change and keeping up with the times isn't always easy.

          Thank you for clearing this up for me. I would understand if someone was trying to put the same plr article on eza that someone else already submitted.

          That reminds me actually, when I do my articles, I always pass them through copyscape first, if duplication wasn't a problem why would I need to do that? I guess the person I'm writing for is insisting on original content correct? I think I just answered my own question.
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          • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
            Originally Posted by glennda View Post

            Thank you for clearing this up for me. I would understand if someone was trying to put the same plr article on eza that someone else already submitted.

            That reminds me actually, when I do my articles, I always pass them through copyscape first, if duplication wasn't a problem why would I need to do that? I guess the person I'm writing for is insisting on original content correct? I think I just answered my own question.
            If you are working with PLR then you do need to rewrite them before submitting them to the directories. You don't have to for your own site, but take note that these articles will have been used elsewhere making it harder for you to rank for that content.

            If you use PLR content as is, you are (in effect) syndicating the PLR article.
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            • Profile picture of the author glennda
              Originally Posted by Clintoc View Post

              If you are working with PLR then you do need to rewrite them before submitting them to the directories. You don't have to for your own site, but take note that these articles will have been used elsewhere making it harder for you to rank for that content.

              If you use PLR content as is, you are (in effect) syndicating the PLR article.
              Hi

              I agree. I understand that it would be harder for ranking but it isn't "not allowed." One example is I bought plr from Tiffany and just wanted it to point to a web page I did. Because of my ignorance, I submitted it to EZA and tweaked it a little. No way they said, duplicate content. So that tells me someone must have gotten the article on EZA before me so there fore, I'm not allowed to put the same content. However, I could re write it like you said and re submit or I could also submit it to another directory hoping someone else has not submitted it there.

              I'm not saying I'll do that, it is just to make it clear, you are allowed to submit the same article to different directories. Not recommended, but you can.

              Thank you again
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              • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
                Here is something that could increase your mileage with that PLR. In each article, note the major talking points in the article. A lot of PLR is written in such a way that it covers 2-3 such points. Take those points and rewrite them in your own words on a notes page. Separate these points on the page so its easy to tell them apart.

                Now, take 2-3 of these points that you already have in your own words and combine them to make a new article. What makes this even more powerful is to do another rewrite from your notes. This should help ensure that you have something original at this point.

                I don't know how many articles you purchased in that pack, but you potentially have 15 or more of these main points in a 5 article pack to work with when you write all your future articles.

                Its not so much that the information needs to be new, you just need to present it in a new way. Doing things like this should allow your voice to show through, and not the PLR author's.

                Originally Posted by glennda View Post

                Hi

                I agree. I understand that it would be harder for ranking but it isn't "not allowed." One example is I bought plr from Tiffany and just wanted it to point to a web page I did. Because of my ignorance, I submitted it to EZA and tweaked it a little. No way they said, duplicate content. So that tells me someone must have gotten the article on EZA before me so there fore, I'm not allowed to put the same content. However, I could re write it like you said and re submit or I could also submit it to another directory hoping someone else has not submitted it there.

                I'm not saying I'll do that, it is just to make it clear, you are allowed to submit the same article to different directories. Not recommended, but you can.

                Thank you again
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                • Profile picture of the author glennda
                  Originally Posted by Clintoc View Post

                  Here is something that could increase your mileage with that PLR. In each article, note the major talking points in the article. A lot of PLR is written in such a way that it covers 2-3 such points. Take those points and rewrite them in your own words on a notes page. Separate these points on the page so its easy to tell them apart.

                  Now, take 2-3 of these points that you already have in your own words and combine them to make a new article. What makes this even more powerful is to do another rewrite from your notes. This should help ensure that you have something original at this point.

                  I don't know how many articles you purchased in that pack, but you potentially have 15 or more of these main points in a 5 article pack to work with when you write all your future articles.

                  Its not so much that the information needs to be new, you just need to present it in a new way. Doing things like this should allow your voice to show through, and not the PLR author's.
                  Totally agreed! I truly appreciate the added tips.
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          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Unless your site's already on its way to being an "authority site", when you do this, the EZA copy will probably (not always) briefly rank higher in Google than the copy on your own site, but that's temporary, and the more times you do that with different articles, the more temporary (i.e. briefer!) it will be each time, until eventually it'll be your own site that ranks highly (which is, of course, the desired outcome).
          That's something to note, Alexa. Good point raised.

          Originally Posted by Clintoc View Post

          Now, look at the results as well. MLB dot com is ranked 1, which is rightfully so as they post the big news first there. The STL page is ranked 10th on my results. It should be noted that many results here are subdomains of the MLB site as well.. notice that the Atlanta Braves site ranks higher?
          Exactly.

          But, most of the other results ink-back to the original story at MLB.
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        • Profile picture of the author arttse
          Assuming your article on your website has been indexed, should the link you include in the resource box (ie article directory) link back to the original article on your website (to demonstrate to the search engines that your article is the original creator of the article), or should it link to a related page/landing page?





          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Yes, absolutely, Brenda: it's what I've done with over 1,000 articles. (The only change I make is the addition of the resource-box which, obviously enough, I don't need on my own sites).

          You can also submit them to any other article directory apart from "Buzzle".

          The backlinks you'll get from any/all of those copies are identical in every way (including "backlink-juice") to the backlinks you'd get by spinning/editing/changing the articles, or by completely re-writing them.

          Unless your site's already on its way to being an "authority site", when you do this, the EZA copy will probably (not always) briefly rank higher in Google than the copy on your own site, but that's temporary, and the more times you do that with different articles, the more temporary (i.e. briefer!) it will be each time, until eventually it'll be your own site that ranks highly (which is, of course, the desired outcome).

          The great benefit is that when you do this, it becomes very easy to outrank EZA (and any other directory), so that you don't end up in this "difficult" situation in which an article directory is constantly outranking your own site for your own keywords.
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            Assuming your article on your website has been indexed, should the link you include in the resource box (ie article directory) link back to the original article on your website
            No - absolutely never: this will lose people who take a quick look and understandably think "Hang on ... I've just read this".

            Originally Posted by arttse View Post

            (to demonstrate to the search engines that your article is the original creator of the article)
            You don't need to "demonstrate" it to them: they've indexed it there first, before you submitted it anywhere else.

            The EZA copy will still outrank you temporarily, especially if your site's new, in spite of "your copy" having been indexed first - and that doesn't matter. What matters is that in the long run, as long as "your copy" always gets indexed first, that'll be good for your site's SEO, and it'll be comparatively worse for your site's SEO if you don't do it that way round.

            The people you see posting here who try, in such discussions, to "defend" their "technique" of building backlinks to the EZA copy instead of to their own are a mixture of:-

            (i) people whose sites have gradually incurred some collective "damage" of this type because they've done things the wrong way round right from the start;

            (ii) people whose sites are very new and still understandably ranking badly;

            (iii) people who (for two or three different reasons) genuinely don't appreciate (or sometimes just "don't believe") that an EZA article is a non-context-relevant, PR-0 page and that it's actually dead easy to outrank it if you do things the right way round.

            Forgive me if I'm "digressing", here, please: I appreciate that you're not asking about which copy to build backlinks to, but the two things "go together" in the sense that, in my experience, people who don't appreciate the long-term significance of getting articles indexed on their own sites first tend to be the very same folk who wrongly imagine that it's difficult to outrank EZA and that "therefore" it's a good idea to "use the EZA copy 'as their own' and build backlinks to it", so this is what you'll see some posters here very misguidedly advising. :rolleyes:

            Originally Posted by arttse View Post

            should it link to a related page/landing page?
            Indeed ... this, absolutely. The landing page for which you want off-page SEO.
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            • Profile picture of the author schttrj
              Originally Posted by arttse View Post

              Assuming your article on your website has been indexed, should the link you include in the resource box (ie article directory) link back to the original article on your website (to demonstrate to the search engines that your article is the original creator of the article), or should it link to a related page/landing page?
              You should always want to offer extra value to the readers by backlinking to another page and consistent backlinking to one page on your website for it to rank high.

              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              No - absolutely never: this will lose people who take a quick look and understandably think "Hang on ... I've just read this".



              You don't need to "demonstrate" it to them: they've indexed it there first, before you submitted it anywhere else.

              The EZA copy will still outrank you temporarily, especially if your site's new, in spite of "your copy" having been indexed first - and that doesn't matter. What matters is that in the long run, as long as "your copy" always gets indexed first, that'll be good for your site's SEO, and it'll be comparatively worse for your site's SEO if you don't do it that way round.

              The people you see posting here who try, in such discussions, to "defend" their "technique" of building backlinks to the EZA copy instead of to their own are a mixture of:-

              (i) people whose sites have gradually incurred some collective "damage" of this type because they've done things the wrong way round right from the start;

              (ii) people whose sites are very new and still understandably ranking badly;

              (iii) people who (for two or three different reasons) genuinely don't appreciate (or sometimes just "don't believe") that an EZA article is a non-context-relevant, PR-0 page and that it's actually dead easy to outrank it if you do things the right way round.

              Forgive me if I'm "digressing", here, please: I appreciate that you're not asking about which copy to build backlinks to, but the two things "go together" in the sense that, in my experience, people who don't appreciate the long-term significance of getting articles indexed on their own sites first tend to be the very same folk who wrongly imagine that it's difficult to outrank EZA and that "therefore" it's a good idea to "use the EZA copy 'as their own' and build backlinks to it", so this is what you'll see some posters here very misguidedly advising. :rolleyes:



              Indeed ... this, absolutely. The landing page for which you want off-page SEO.
              If you link back to your articles, you will gain long term SEO benefits.

              If you want to look at it from another view point...

              Even though the "EZA copies" rank higher than your sites posts during the starting phase, people will still be clicking to your website link at the end of the article, thus bringing traffic to your article.

              So a WIN-WIN situation for you!
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              • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
                Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                Even though the "EZA copies" rank higher than your sites posts during the starting phase, people will still be clicking to your website link at the end of the article, thus bringing traffic to your article.
                No. Alexa answered that:

                No - absolutely never: this will lose people who take a quick look and understandably think "Hang on ... I've just read this".
                So, even if someone goes to "your copy" using the EZA link, he'll not want to waste any time reading the same thing over again. So, if you have an affiliate link, or an offer, at the end of "your copy", your prospect will lose.

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                • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                  Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

                  No. Alexa answered that:
                  You didn't understand it. I know EZA copies WON'T rank higher in the long term. But for the brief time period it does, you shouldn't worry 'cos it still links the visitors back to your site (at least a percentage of 'em).
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                  • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
                    Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                    You didn't understand it. I know EZA copies WON'T rank higher in the long term. But for the brief time period it does, you shouldn't worry 'cos it still links the visitors back to your site (at least a percentage of 'em).
                    I understand bro. You mean even if the EZA will initially outrank us, still we'll have a link-back from it, which will send us visitors. Right? But what's the use of those visitors? Why would they want to read the same content all over again?

                    I think I interpreted it right. ;-)

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                    • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                      Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

                      I understand bro. You mean even if the EZA will initially outrank us, still we'll have a link-back from it, which will send us visitors. Right? But what's the use of those visitors? Why would they want to read the same content all over again?

                      I think I interpreted it right. ;-)

                      Karan
                      Didn't I post it here?! I am getting forgetful. Maybe I posted it somewhere else.

                      But you should NEVER link back to the same article. Always link back to something else.

                      A link back is always done to OFFER EXTRA VALUE to the reader.

                      So, it is a WIN-WIN situation.

                      In the short run, EZA articles rank higher...you get traffic!

                      In the long run, your articles rank higher...more traffic and authority!
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                      • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
                        Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                        Didn't I post it here?! I am getting forgetful. Maybe I posted it somewhere else.

                        But you should NEVER link back to the same article. Always link back to something else.

                        A link back is always done to OFFER EXTRA VALUE to the reader.

                        So, it is a WIN-WIN situation.

                        In the short run, EZA articles rank higher...you get traffic!

                        In the long run, your articles rank higher...more traffic and authority!
                        OK. That seems quite doable and pragmatic.

                        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                        (ii) There aren't circumstances under which I'm willing to link from an article to another copy of the same article: from a marketing/traffic perspective, this would clearly be "loopy".
                        Good point, Alexa.!

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            • Profile picture of the author arttse
              Alexa

              Thanks for taking the time to give me your thoughts on this issue. I really appreciate the detail you went into to explain your process.

              However, Google Webmaster (see link below) says that whenever you syndicate articles you should link back to the original article. Are you able to clarify this?

              Duplicate content - Webmaster Tools Help

              Syndicate carefully: If you syndicate your content on other sites, Google will always show the version we think is most appropriate for users in each given search, which may or may not be the version you'd prefer. However, it is helpful to ensure that each site on which your content is syndicated includes a link back to your original article. You can also ask those who use your syndicated material to use the noindex meta tag to prevent search engines from indexing their version of the content.


              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              No - absolutely never: this will lose people who take a quick look and understandably think "Hang on ... I've just read this".




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                Originally Posted by arttse View Post

                Google Webmaster (see link below) says that whenever you syndicate articles you should link back to the original article. Are you able to clarify this?
                Only by observing that that bit comes after the word "however", at the start of the second sentence of the excerpt you've quoted, referring (in my opinion) to a way of encouraging Google not to "always show the version we think is most appropriate for users in each given search" (their use of the word however is clearly - in my opinion - an acknowledgement that the second part detracts from the universality of the first ). Not something I particularly need to do, myself, and certainly not at the cost of backlinking from an article back to another copy of the same article (hardly a recipe for success!) albeit that I'm linking to a site which contains it (a slightly different matter, of course, I acknowledge).

                I can offer only two further comments:-

                (i) Sometimes syndicated copies of articles appear in the main index and sometimes not: although of course I prefer the first, as a marketer, I think that from Google's perspective it's a "mistake" when that happens: they'd like it not to happen at all but it sometimes does anyway ... and to be honest it doesn't really matter too much to me either way, because the backlink counts for exactly the same whether it's on a copy indexed in the main index or not (this is a fundamental point, and one the "spinners" sometimes like to ignore!) ... Bill Platt - whose experience of these matters is longer and better than mine - has commented here a few times that he thinks Google "gets those right" about 80% of the time and makes mistakes with them about 20% of the time: my own experiences in this regard, so far, certainly aren't any different from Bill's observations.

                (ii) There aren't circumstances under which I'm willing to link from an article to another copy of the same article: from a marketing/traffic perspective, this would clearly be "loopy".

                I may not have answered your question/observation, of course, but it's all I have to offer, I think.
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              • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                Originally Posted by arttse View Post

                Alexa

                Thanks for taking the time to give me your thoughts on this issue. I really appreciate the detail you went into to explain your process.

                However, Google Webmaster (see link below) says that whenever you syndicate articles you should link back to the original article. Are you able to clarify this?

                Duplicate content - Webmaster Tools Help

                Syndicate carefully: If you syndicate your content on other sites, Google will always show the version we think is most appropriate for users in each given search, which may or may not be the version you'd prefer. However, it is helpful to ensure that each site on which your content is syndicated includes a link back to your original article. You can also ask those who use your syndicated material to use the noindex meta tag to prevent search engines from indexing their version of the content.
                You bring up a new point of course...I would like to hear some expert opinions on these
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                • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
                  You bring up a new point of course...I would like to hear some expert opinions on these
                  Simple.

                  For starters, the goal is to establish your website as the authority. When you constantly submit articles to your blog FIRST, you are helping build that authority status with Google.

                  I do realize that they mention linking to the original article, but that would simply damage any hopes and plans that you have with that content.

                  Just imagine reading a captivating piece of content, being drawn to the resource box to read more, just to find the same article.

                  You would lose me at that instant. Your article was perfect other than the link.

                  Here is another issue with the Google reference. If you are writing for the purpose of syndicating content, you can care less about Google. You are going to be building a wider market of people who actually care about your niche. This is essential for long term success.

                  Here is the other amazing thing that happens if you focus on quality content. You stop caring if your website ranks higher as your articles still funnel the traffic exactly where you want it to be.
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                    Originally Posted by Doug Wakefield View Post

                    Here is the other amazing thing that happens if you focus on quality content. You stop caring if your website ranks higher as your articles still funnel the traffic exactly where you want it to be.
                    Good point, Doug. Even if our page won't rank, the article page that's raking in top SERP's will send us quality targeted traffic.

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                Originally Posted by arttse View Post

                Alexa

                Thanks for taking the time to give me your thoughts on this issue. I really appreciate the detail you went into to explain your process.

                However, Google Webmaster (see link below) says that whenever you syndicate articles you should link back to the original article. Are you able to clarify this?

                Duplicate content - Webmaster Tools Help

                Syndicate carefully: If you syndicate your content on other sites, Google will always show the version we think is most appropriate for users in each given search, which may or may not be the version you'd prefer. However, it is helpful to ensure that each site on which your content is syndicated includes a link back to your original article. You can also ask those who use your syndicated material to use the noindex meta tag to prevent search engines from indexing their version of the content.
                Hey

                I was searching for a few reputable sources to answer that. I've found a few sources and links that might help with this problem.

                Content Syndication How to Make it Work for You - Graywolf's SEO Blog

                Another thing you really want to try and negotiate is credit with a linkback to the original post.
                The Illustrated Guide to Duplicate Content in the Search Engines | SEOmoz

                Weigh in on Article Trades | SEOmoz

                I think that this worked great in the early days of SEO, but it has become so common that the field is overworked. Why should the search engines index 200 copies of the same article and hold them ready for display in the SERPS? And, if the search engines see these 200 instances of duplicate content, why should they give you significant power from the links? IMO they will start to smell manipulation soon if they have not smelled it for quite a while.
                Content Syndication SEO – Best Practices for Syndicating Content | Adam Sherk

                You can see that the attribution link is recommended, but it is not guaranteed to resolve the issue. So it is important to build in as many protective steps as possible into any syndication contract.
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                Now, all these do not exactly answer the question, but do enlighten the issue.

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                  Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

                  Hey

                  I was searching for a few reputable sources to answer that. I've found a few sources and links that might help with this problem.

                  Content Syndication How to Make it Work for You - Graywolf's SEO Blog

                  The Illustrated Guide to Duplicate Content in the Search Engines | SEOmoz

                  Weigh in on Article Trades | SEOmoz


                  Content Syndication SEO - Best Practices for Syndicating Content | Adam Sherk

                  ====

                  Now, all these do not exactly answer the question, but do enlighten the issue.

                  Karan
                  Originally Posted by AdamSherk

                  Syndicate carefully: If you syndicate your content on other sites, make sure they include a link back to the original article on each syndicated article. Even with that, note that we'll always show the (unblocked) version we think is most appropriate for users in each given search, which may or may not be the version you'd prefer.
                  Originally Posted by Michael Gray

                  Another thing you really want to try and negotiate is credit with a linkback to the original post. A notice at the beginning or end of post that says "This post was originally published on John Smith's blog (link) under the title John Smith's Great Title (link)".
                  ...from the SEOMoz article

                  So, it seems that you should always link back to the original article, plus to another self-serving link, right?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
                    Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

                    ...from the SEOMoz article

                    So, it seems that you should always link back to the original article, plus to another self-serving link, right?
                    No. Doing so will simply result in your reader clicking out of your site and onto the next result.

                    Just to use that fancy picture you dug up:

                    1 - Place it on your site first and get it indexed. Helps Google determine the original.

                    2 - You build trust in the domain by adding quality content.

                    3 - The links on your syndicated articles will point to your website, though not to a copy of the article. This will help Google further determine your site as the authority on the niche.

                    4 - linking form one copy of an article to another is silly. Don't do it unless your goal is to come in here later and post an "Article Marketing Sucks" post.

                    5 - Won't apply. We aren't going to scrape, spin, etc the content.

                    6 - Pagerank. It is going to be 0 on both. If you put effort into your site and content you will end up higher here as well.

                    Lets not forget 7 - Who cares about Google. The purpose of quality content is to not really need Google.

                    Ill paraphrase part of Bill Platt's (TPW) free ebook (can grab it in his WF Blog):

                    "If Google were to slap all of my articles and stop giving me traffic I would still be able to operate as I would only lose about a third of my traffic"

                    Make both of those links self serving and give your reader more value... you cannot give your reader more value by showing him the same stuff over and over. At best you annoy him, at worst you lose him.
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                    • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                      Originally Posted by Doug Wakefield View Post

                      No. Doing so will simply result in your reader clicking out of your site and onto the next result.

                      Just to use that fancy picture you dug up:

                      1 - Place it on your site first and get it indexed. Helps Google determine the original.

                      2 - You build trust in the domain by adding quality content.

                      3 - The links on your syndicated articles will point to your website, though not to a copy of the article. This will help Google further determine your site as the authority on the niche.

                      4 - linking form one copy of an article to another is silly. Don't do it unless your goal is to come in here later and post an "Article Marketing Sucks" post.

                      5 - Won't apply. We aren't going to scrape, spin, etc the content.

                      6 - Pagerank. It is going to be 0 on both. If you put effort into your site and content you will end up higher here as well.

                      Lets not forget 7 - Who cares about Google. The purpose of quality content is to not really need Google.

                      Ill paraphrase part of Bill Platt's (TPW) free ebook (can grab it in his WF Blog):

                      "If Google were to slap all of my articles and stop giving me traffic I would still be able to operate as I would only lose about a third of my traffic"

                      Make both of those links self serving and give your reader more value... you cannot give your reader more value by showing him the same stuff over and over. At best you annoy him, at worst you lose him.
                      I guess you read this one from Graywolf's site...

                      Originally Posted by Michael Gray
                      Another thing you really want to try and negotiate is credit with a linkback to the original post. A notice at the beginning or end of post that says "This post was originally published on John Smith's blog (link) under the title John Smith's Great Title (link)".
                      In this, one goes to your homepage and one to the original article. Indeed, I am one of those article marketers who believe linking to a different page...check my previous comments.

                      But I was just reconsidering this whole point.

                      Suppose your resource box looks like this:

                      "This article was originally published at <blog post link>. For more articles on <your niche> (link), visit www.yourdomainname.com".

                      How does that sound?! This will kill two birds at once. Keep the original post intact and also include a backlink to our landing page.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
                        Originally Posted by schttrj View Post


                        "This article was originally published at <blog post link>. For more articles on <your niche> (link), visit www.yourdomainname.com".

                        How does that sound?! This will kill two birds at once. Keep the original post intact and also include a backlink to our landing page.
                        Yeah. Since almost all directories allow 2-3 (or even more) link backs from the resource box. But then, we need to make sure that we have no (or just 1) outlink from the article body. Right?

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                        • Profile picture of the author schttrj
                          Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

                          Yeah. Since almost all directories allow 2-3 (or even more) link backs from the resource box. But then, we need to make sure that we have no (or just 1) outlink from the article body. Right?

                          Karan
                          Yeah! I guess you have to sacrifice somewhere in the process...
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Bruce Smith View Post

      Hi Karan,

      There is a lot of debate about duplicate content. Is it allowed or is it not?

      Well, the simple answer is, NO, it is NOT allowed. As an internet marketer, you need to know that theoretically, duplicate content is not allowed, however, because of the fact that your article will show on different pages of the web with different content around it, the search engine won't always recognize that content as a duplicate content. This means that if you post duplicate content you will get some hit or miss. When the search engine will recognize your duplicate content, you back link will be null. When the search engine won't recognize you duplicate content you will get a back link to your site.

      The best way to avoid any problem, however, is to tweak your article a bit, at least in the introduction and conclusion of the article. Another good way to create a non-duplicate content is while you keep the solid base of your article, you teak it a little bit all throughout and therefore create another content.

      I will let Alexa answer you in general:

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      There are several confused/confusing comments above (in addition to the usual plain factual misstatements found in every thread on this subject!) from posters


      And I will answer you specifically:

      Originally Posted by Bruce Smith View Post

      When the search engine will recognize your duplicate content, you back link will be null.
      Who sold you that load of crap?

      Seriously... Do you know this from personal experience? Or did you read it somewhere?

      I have been involved in the article marketing industry for more than a decade. And I started doing professional SEO in 2004.

      There is absolutely no truth in that statement.
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        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Who sold you that load of crap?

        Seriously... Do you know this from personal experience? Or did you read it somewhere?

        I have been involved in the article marketing industry for more than a decade. And I started doing professional SEO in 2004.

        There is absolutely no truth in that statement.
        THE END. (and excellently said I might add)
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce Smith
    Hi Karan,

    There is a lot of debate about duplicate content. Is it allowed or is it not?

    Well, the simple answer is, NO, it is NOT allowed. As an internet marketer, you need to know that theoretically, duplicate content is not allowed, however, because of the fact that your article will show on different pages of the web with different content around it, the search engine won't always recognize that content as a duplicate content. This means that if you post duplicate content you will get some hit or miss. When the search engine will recognize your duplicate content, you back link will be null. When the search engine won't recognize you duplicate content you will get a back link to your site.

    The best way to avoid any problem, however, is to tweak your article a bit, at least in the introduction and conclusion of the article. Another good way to create a non-duplicate content is while you keep the solid base of your article, you teak it a little bit all throughout and therefore create another content.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
      Originally Posted by Bruce Smith View Post

      Well, the simple answer is, NO, it is NOT allowed.
      And this comes from which reputable source?

      Originally Posted by Bruce Smith View Post

      because of the fact that your article will show on different pages of the web with different content around it, the search engine won't always recognize that content as a duplicate content
      But, I see same articles ranking at #1 and #2 published on different sites. Any enlightenment?

      Karan

      EDIT: Sorry for 3 posts in row. Saw these after my first reply!
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

        And this comes from which reputable source?



        But, I see same articles ranking at #1 and #2 published on different sites. Any enlightenment?

        Karan

        EDIT: Sorry for 3 posts in row. Saw these after my first reply!
        I can't answer for Bruce and I don't know where he got his information from, wherever it was from, he interpreted it all wrong.

        I've been doing it with no problems at all and it's the "myth" that keeps my competition at a minimum. Really and truthfully, guys like Bruce do me a favour.

        Karan, I, Alexa and Bill and many others have been doing this for between a short while to a very long while.

        Just read the TOS but they will all accept your article having had it published on your own site/blog.

        Why would EZA have a plugin for it otherwise and why would they recommend you publish to your own site first?

        Lot's of people like Bruce believe in the duplicate content "myth". That doesn't mean it's right.

        The only time duplicate content affects you, is when you have the same content on the same site more than once.

        Otherwise all the article directories would be out of business. Think about it, some directories don't even manually approve your work, they just publish it.

        If what Bruce thinks, is "duplicate content", how do they survive?

        Ultimately you have to decide. There are tons of threads on it in this forum.

        You can believe people that have walked the walk, or someone that pops in and gives his opinion, with no back up at all.
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        • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          Why would EZA have a plugin for it otherwise and why would they recommend you publish to your own site first?

          Lot's of people like Bruce believe in the duplicate content "myth". That doesn't mean it's right.

          The only time duplicate content affects you, is when you have the same content on the same site more than once.


          If what Bruce thinks, is "duplicate content", how do they survive?
          That seems viable Richard. Thanks for the advise.

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    • Profile picture of the author glennda
      Originally Posted by Bruce Smith View Post

      Hi Karan,

      There is a lot of debate about duplicate content. Is it allowed or is it not?

      Well, the simple answer is, NO, it is NOT allowed. As an internet marketer, you need to know that theoretically, duplicate content is not allowed, however, because of the fact that your article will show on different pages of the web with different content around it, the search engine won't always recognize that content as a duplicate content. This means that if you post duplicate content you will get some hit or miss. When the search engine will recognize your duplicate content, you back link will be null. When the search engine won't recognize you duplicate content you will get a back link to your site.

      The best way to avoid any problem, however, is to tweak your article a bit, at least in the introduction and conclusion of the article. Another good way to create a non-duplicate content is while you keep the solid base of your article, you teak it a little bit all throughout and therefore create another content.
      Just when I thought I had it figured out, you are saying the opposite. Did you read any of the above threads? Why isn't this black or white? Why is it such a gray area? 90% of the thread said it was ok, now your clearly stating "NO".....so frustrating.
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      • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
        Originally Posted by glennda View Post

        Just when I thought I had it figured out, you are saying the opposite. Did you read any of the above threads? Why isn't this black or white? Why is it such a gray area? 90% of the thread said it was ok, now your clearly stating "NO".....so frustrating.
        Don't be frustrated right now. Just wait for him to reply with actual facts.

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        • Profile picture of the author glennda
          Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

          Don't be frustrated right now. Just wait for him to reply with actual facts.

          Karan
          Good idea Karan. Some of the people who wrote here have not stirred me wrong so I'm going with them until proven otherwise
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            If you're going to watch people watch Alexa and Bill.

            A lot of what I know, I learned off them on this matter and I can categorically tell you, they are very, very good at what they do.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by glennda View Post

        Just when I thought I had it figured out, you are saying the opposite. Did you read any of the above threads? Why isn't this black or white? Why is it such a gray area? 90% of the thread said it was ok, now your clearly stating "NO".....so frustrating.

        Understand that people who sell article spinning software have a vested interest in convincing us that we will be penalized by Google for publishing one article unchanged to many websites.

        If people did not believe that Google would penalize them for syndicating content, then no one would ever have a need to buy or use article spinning software.

        Those sellers lay out a pretty convincing story, not based on facts, but rather based on innuendo.

        A lot of people fall for the story, because they don't have enough real world experience to see through the crap they are being fed.
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        • Profile picture of the author glennda
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          Understand that people who sell article spinning software have a vested interest in convincing us that we will be penalized by Google for publishing one article unchanged to many websites.

          If people did not believe that Google would penalize them for syndicating content, then no one would ever have a need to buy or use article spinning software.

          Those sellers lay out a pretty convincing story, not based on facts, but rather based on innuendo.

          A lot of people fall for the story, because they don't have enough real world experience to see through the crap they are being fed.
          I bought one from a member here but often after spinning it I have to redo it anyways because it doesn't make any sense. I'm glad I was educated here from a lot of you who tell the truth. I do like the spinner only because sometime, the way I write or the words I use can be improved by the spinner. I would never spin an article and just submit it, however, the spinner does sometime produce a better sentence than the original. Sometimes

          Thank you for clearing this up. I'm truly convinced now, I have nothing to worry about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
      Prove the research for yourself before you spread this nonsense.

      The only debate there ever is, is when people try to spread this crap around.

      Let us start with the biggest distributor of duplicate content, the Associated Press. Not only do they distribute duplicate content all over the place... they do so at a price. If the news sites are not penalized for posting duplicate content, then why suspect we are?

      Here is a prime example, though this one goes through the sports news networks..

      Right now go off and google this title (you have to keep the quotes)

      "Pujols-Cards contract talks end without deal"

      I am a Cardinals fan, so have been keeping up with this.... so it works as an example.

      From my results there are 11 pages of results from a 2 hour old story. This WILL go up throughout the day as the local stations pick up the story.

      Now, look at the results as well. MLB dot com is ranked 1, which is rightfully so as they post the big news first there. The STL page is ranked 10th on my results. It should be noted that many results here are subdomains of the MLB site as well.. notice that the Atlanta Braves site ranks higher?

      Anyways, this is just one example. Take any major news story and test it for yourself.

      You can even take articles from the directories and try it that way too.


      Originally Posted by Bruce Smith View Post

      Hi Karan,

      There is a lot of debate about duplicate content. Is it allowed or is it not?

      Well, the simple answer is, NO, it is NOT allowed. As an internet marketer, you need to know that theoretically, duplicate content is not allowed, however, because of the fact that your article will show on different pages of the web with different content around it, the search engine won't always recognize that content as a duplicate content. This means that if you post duplicate content you will get some hit or miss. When the search engine will recognize your duplicate content, you back link will be null. When the search engine won't recognize you duplicate content you will get a back link to your site.

      The best way to avoid any problem, however, is to tweak your article a bit, at least in the introduction and conclusion of the article. Another good way to create a non-duplicate content is while you keep the solid base of your article, you teak it a little bit all throughout and therefore create another content.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
      For ages, I've been under the impression that duplicate content relates only to content that is duplicated on different pages under the same domain name.

      Maybe someone with a vast amount of credibility/experience (such as Alexa, and tpw) can verify - or otherwise - that observation?
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Ian Jackson View Post

        For ages, I've been under the impression that duplicate content relates only to content that is duplicated on different pages under the same domain name.

        Maybe someone with a vast amount of credibility/experience (such as Alexa) can verify - or otherwise - that observation?

        VERIFIED, absolutely.
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          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          VERIFIED, absolutely.
          My man you are awesome. Probably just saved me countless hours sat there spinning articles.
          Would like to ask:

          I am building backlinks to a site. If I create one unique article just for the ezine directories and submit it I should get the same link juice?

          This is what I gathered from this thread.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by AzzamS View Post

            I am building backlinks to a site. If I create one unique article just for the ezine directories and submit it I should get the same link juice?

            Yes and No.

            The question was much simpler to ask than it will be to answer...


            I am going to give you the answer, and hopefully it makes sense...

            PageRank is just an slider value of the actual Link Popularity for a page on the Internet.

            I will not use the word PageRank in this discussion, as it is only updated about 3 times per year.

            But Google does update a page's Link Popularity internally every day or two.

            PageRank / Link Popularity is measured by page, rather than by website.

            Regardless of whether you utilize Article Syndication or Article Spinning, all new pages begin life with no Link Popularity.

            This is the very last time your article on any page will have a value equal to other copies of your article on other websites.

            Let me explain.

            Every page on the web derives its Link Popularity based on the pages linking to it.

            Some article directories like EzineArticles have a ton of Link Popularity distributed through their website.

            Instead of just having Link Popularity on their home pages, they also have Link Popularity dispersed to internal pages on their website, including individual category pages and sometimes individual article pages.

            Once an article is placed on a new directory, the article will adopt links from certain pages within the website.

            On an article directory like EzineArticles, the article can adopt substantial Link Popularity when it is added to the directory. But this is a fleeting reality, because new articles are being added to the directory daily, so your newly placed article will eventually drop off of those pages that have real Link Popularity.

            With sites link EZA, you also have an additional boost if your article hits one of the top ten lists shown at the bottom of the page for each article.

            That is the huge key to getting great ranking on your article at EZA. Those top ten lists distribute a lot of Link Popularity to the article pages linked from them, because they show on all pages of the category. In some cases, that will translate into tens of thousands of links pointing to your article in EZA, and you will capture a portion of all of the Link Popularity available in that category.

            Within EZA, an article can remain in one or more of the top ten lists for up to 60 days after the article was submitted to EZA.

            In the initial stages, EZA's copy of your article will climb in the Google SERPs because it will have a lot of internal Link Popularity from EZA itself.

            But unless you are building links to the article on EZA, that internal Link Popularity will generally have a lifespan of up to 60 days.

            Other article directories have the same potential of EZA as far as internal distribution of Link Popularity. When people talk about this variable, generally only EZA and ArticlesBase are mentioned, keeping in mind that ArticlesBase is rel=nofollow. Other article directories do it, but not on the grand scale that these two do it.

            One of the greatest benefits to Article Syndication above Article Spinning is that well-written articles tend to be syndicated more frequently than spun articles ever will. The reason why this is the case is because too many spun articles look like they were written by third-graders.

            Not all spun articles will meet this fate, but the vast majority of spun articles are not the kind of content that other publishers -- who care about their readers -- will want to publish on their own websites.

            More well-written articles get syndicated than poorly-written articles.

            But check this...

            Articles that get published on sites that have a real human audience, usually have a lot of people visit them. And those people who visit the website regularly will share links of articles they like, with like-minded friends and visitors.

            The more the reader connects with an article, they more likely that reader will be to link to that article.

            So, once an article is syndicated, the website that took the article will have its own internal Link Popularity and its audience will be more inclined to link to the article, thereby giving more external Link Popularity to a specific copy of your article.

            This type of back linking requires no additional work on your part, once you have written and distributed the article.

            Your article on an authority website can in fact attract a bunch of Link Popularity from the people who found the article worthy of sharing with others.

            And herein resides the greatest benefit of taking the time to create a great article or using a higher-priced writer to create your content for you.

            Spun articles can deliver some SEO Link Popularity to your articles, and therefore back to your own website.

            But the potential of well-written articles to deliver SEO Link Popularity to your articles and website is far greater than it ever could be with spun articles.
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            • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
              Originally Posted by Ian Jackson View Post

              For ages, I've been under the impression that duplicate content relates only to content that is duplicated on different pages under the same domain name.

              Maybe someone with a vast amount of credibility/experience (such as Alexa, and tpw) can verify - or otherwise - that observation?
              Hey Ian

              I don't think dupe content even on the different pages under same domain is that bad.

              Just consider this example.

              I took this story from Mashable, and searched on the same site for the first paragraph.

              If there's any problem loading the google page, search for this:

              "Apple and various makers of iPhone and iPad apps are the subject of a lawsuit alleging that they transmit users' personal information to advertising networks without those users' consent." site:mashable.com
              Now, there are 20 pages on Mashable that have the very same content. Now, I think that should verify your doubt.

              Karan

              PS: I do not have vast amount of credibility/experience.

              Originally Posted by tpw View Post


              One of the greatest benefits to Article Syndication above Article Spinning is that well-written articles tend to be syndicated more frequently than spun articles ever will. The reason why this is the case is because too many spun articles look like they were written by third-graders.
              I agree. Write good, and go viral.

              Originally Posted by Benjamin Ehinger View Post

              Karan,

              There are lists upon lists of these and you can submit the same content to any of them. My only advice would be to change the title. This helps you get more of your content listed on google and that is the only part that I change with some of my methods.

              Benjamin Ehinger
              Hi Benjamin

              Yeah. I got it a few posts earlier. ;-)

              Thanks
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              Originally Posted by glennda View Post

              Hi Alexa

              Your name is one of the ones I look for when I need to be put back on track. Sometimes, the internet information highway is so distracting. Then again, rules change and keeping up with the times isn't always easy.

              Thank you for clearing this up for me. I would understand if someone was trying to put the same plr article on eza that someone else already submitted.

              That reminds me actually, when I do my articles, I always pass them through copyscape first, if duplication wasn't a problem why would I need to do that? I guess the person I'm writing for is insisting on original content correct? I think I just answered my own question.
              When it is your OWN content and you are submitting to some article directory with a link back to your site, it is called Syndication.

              Duplication is more related to the word 'theft'. Syndication is far away from anything such as theft.

              Originally Posted by Doug Wakefield View Post

              If you are working with PLR then you do need to rewrite them before submitting them to the directories. You don't have to for your own site, but take note that these articles will have been used elsewhere making it harder for you to rank for that content.

              If you use PLR content as is, you are (in effect) syndicating the PLR article.
              Needless to say, many people might have already posted that PLR article up before you!

              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              Yes and No.

              The question was much simpler to ask than it will be to answer...


              I am going to give you the answer, and hopefully it makes sense...

              PageRank is just an slider value of the actual Link Popularity for a page on the Internet.

              I will not use the word PageRank in this discussion, as it is only updated about 3 times per year.

              But Google does update a page's Link Popularity internally every day or two.

              PageRank / Link Popularity is measured by page, rather than by website.

              Regardless of whether you utilize Article Syndication or Article Spinning, all new pages begin life with no Link Popularity.

              This is the very last time your article on any page will have a value equal to other copies of your article on other websites.

              Let me explain.

              Every page on the web derives its Link Popularity based on the pages linking to it.

              Some article directories like EzineArticles have a ton of Link Popularity distributed through their website.

              Instead of just having Link Popularity on their home pages, they also have Link Popularity dispersed to internal pages on their website, including individual category pages and sometimes individual article pages.

              Once an article is placed on a new directory, the article will adopt links from certain pages within the website.

              On an article directory like EzineArticles, the article can adopt substantial Link Popularity when it is added to the directory. But this is a fleeting reality, because new articles are being added to the directory daily, so your newly placed article will eventually drop off of those pages that have real Link Popularity.

              With sites link EZA, you also have an additional boost if your article hits one of the top ten lists shown at the bottom of the page for each article.

              That is the huge key to getting great ranking on your article at EZA. Those top ten lists distribute a lot of Link Popularity to the article pages linked from them, because they show on all pages of the category. In some cases, that will translate into tens of thousands of links pointing to your article in EZA, and you will capture a portion of all of the Link Popularity available in that category.

              Within EZA, an article can remain in one or more of the top ten lists for up to 60 days after the article was submitted to EZA.

              In the initial stages, EZA's copy of your article will climb in the Google SERPs because it will have a lot of internal Link Popularity from EZA itself.

              But unless you are building links to the article on EZA, that internal Link Popularity will generally have a lifespan of up to 60 days.

              Other article directories have the same potential of EZA as far as internal distribution of Link Popularity. When people talk about this variable, generally only EZA and ArticlesBase are mentioned, keeping in mind that ArticlesBase is rel=nofollow. Other article directories do it, but not on the grand scale that these two do it.

              One of the greatest benefits to Article Syndication above Article Spinning is that well-written articles tend to be syndicated more frequently than spun articles ever will. The reason why this is the case is because too many spun articles look like they were written by third-graders.

              Not all spun articles will meet this fate, but the vast majority of spun articles are not the kind of content that other publishers -- who care about their readers -- will want to publish on their own websites.

              More well-written articles get syndicated than poorly-written articles.

              But check this...

              Articles that get published on sites that have a real human audience, usually have a lot of people visit them. And those people who visit the website regularly will share links of articles they like, with like-minded friends and visitors.

              The more the reader connects with an article, they more likely that reader will be to link to that article.

              So, once an article is syndicated, the website that took the article will have its own internal Link Popularity and its audience will be more inclined to link to the article, thereby giving more external Link Popularity to a specific copy of your article.

              This type of back linking requires no additional work on your part, once you have written and distributed the article.

              Your article on an authority website can in fact attract a bunch of Link Popularity from the people who found the article worthy of sharing with others.

              And herein resides the greatest benefit of taking the time to create a great article or using a higher-priced writer to create your content for you.

              Spun articles can deliver some SEO Link Popularity to your articles, and therefore back to your own website.

              But the potential of well-written articles to deliver SEO Link Popularity to your articles and website is far greater than it ever could be with spun articles.
              Bill, I would really like to know more about difference between the page-rank of a page and the link popularity of the same page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    You can publish your EZA articles on other directories. Also blogs, etc. EZA isn't the only game in town, but they are the biggest.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
      Originally Posted by Fun to Write View Post

      You can publish your EZA articles on other directories. Also blogs, etc. EZA isn't the only game in town, but they are the biggest.
      Other? Like what? Could be specific and post link to the "others" that you have tried. That can be helpful.

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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
    Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

    Hey warriors.

    I know this question has been asked a lot of times,
    yet, I couldn't find a good comprehensive answer.

    So, here it is...

    I am an EZA author. I have written unique content,
    and it's published on EZA.

    Now, what are some article directories, where I can re-publish
    the same articles as on EZA. I do not want to spin the articles,
    and submit them "as-is".

    Thanks
    Karan
    Karan,

    There are lists upon lists of these and you can submit the same content to any of them. My only advice would be to change the title. This helps you get more of your content listed on google and that is the only part that I change with some of my methods.

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  • Profile picture of the author greatseoservice
    In my opinion you shouldn`t bother with the small article directories if you are doing it for traffic- just go for the top 3- ezine, article directory and goarticles.
    Just my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author AStateOfLogic
    I personally submit my articles to a few different article sites. I see no reason why it should be an issue. Trying to spin them or slightly change them in my opinion looks shady. As long as the article is indexed on your site should be fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    There has been a lot of discussions going on here and I honestly learned a lot. I have experienced people stealing content though after submitting a couple of articles in a few directories. So right now I limited myself to goarticles, EZA, articlesbase and ideamarketer. My time doesn't allow me to submit in too many different places as once anyway. You can just simply pick the ones that works best for you rather than submit to every article you can find.

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    • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
      I should mention that if you plan on submitting to a bunch of directories you might want to consider buying a program to automate this, or paying a service to handle it for you.

      In the time it takes to manually submit an article to 10 directories you could probably write (or at least fully outline) another article while the software submits your last article to 40 directories.

      I use Article Post Robot for this as I bought it years ago before learning of Article Bot. If I had the chance to do it over I would buy Article Bot from Incansoft as it is over $100 cheaper for the same functionality.
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      • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
        Originally Posted by Clintoc View Post

        I should mention that if you plan on submitting to a bunch of directories you might want to consider buying a program to automate this, or paying a service to handle it for you.

        In the time it takes to manually submit an article to 10 directories you could probably write (or at least fully outline) another article while the software submits your last article to 40 directories.

        I use Article Post Robot for this as I bought it years ago before learning of Article Bot. If I had the chance to do it over I would buy Article Bot from Incansoft as it is over $100 cheaper for the same functionality.
        Well yeah. I'm currently just starting with Article Marketing. So, I want to go slow, and manual. In later stages, I may get a tool like the one you mentioned.

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  • Profile picture of the author Edie47
    Interesting thread! Now I better understand article submission and article directories, duplicate content, and who can best answer this type of question. There are so many opinions on the WF, but ultimately the best answer seems to come forth.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
      Originally Posted by Edie47 View Post

      Interesting thread! Now I better understand article submission and article directories, duplicate content, and who can best answer this type of question. There are so many opinions on the WF, but ultimately the best answer seems to come forth.
      Yeah. Isn't that amazing. All the world's knowledge in one con-size place. That's why I love forums.


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  • Profile picture of the author satrap
    I know you wanted to know some more article directoires to submit your articles to, here are some that I can remember. Hopefully others will add to this list.

    http://ezinearticles.com

    Article Directory - Free Expert Article Directory - GoArticles.com

    http://www.articlesnatch.com

    http://www.articleblast.com

    Free Content Articles Directory and Search Engine for your Ezine or Website - Isnare.com

    Self Improvement from SelfGrowth.com

    Buzzle Web Portal: Intelligent Life on the Web

    Article Dashboard Directory | Submit Articles | Search Find Free Content | Author Submission

    ArticleCity.com - Free Articles for Reprint. Free Articles for your web site and newsletters. Submit Your Articles to Our Articles Directory.

    SEO, Marketing, Design Articles & Videos | Site-Reference: Succeed Online

    Web Hosting Articles, Web Hosting Guide | WHIR

    Free Articles Directory : Articlet.com

    Free Online Articles - Free Articles Directory

    Article Pool - Submit Articles to Article Directory

    http://www.articleblast.com

    Free Articles for reprint - Website Content and Newsletter article directory

    Free Articles Directory | Submit Articles - Articler.com

    Free Articles, Free Web Content, Reprint Articles

    Talkinmince Article Directory Free article submission for websites and ezines!

    http://www.articlecompilation.com

    IdeaMarketers - free content directory

    Free Ezine Articles Directory | Submit Articles - ArticleRich.com

    AllBestArticles | ArticleMs Templates | ArticleMs Skins | Article Submission | Article Marketing | Web Design | Business | Forex Trading | Investing

    Web Page Design | Website Design | Website Designing | Web Site Design | Web Site Designing | Web Page Development | Web Development

    Free Content Articles Online for Ezines and Websites at ArticlePros.com

    ArticleCo.com

    http://www.articleonramp.com

    Massive Article Directory showcasing Everyone's Articles

    Free Articles at Amazines.Com - Author Publishing and Free Article Database

    Submit Articles To The Directory. Article Submission Is Free!

    Article Directory - Find, Search, Reprint & Submit Articles for Free

    S-Article.com - Smart Article Directory

    Article Directory

    Free Articles - My Free Articledirectory | do-follow article directories | fast approval article site |free articles directory |

    Free Article Directory | Submit Articles - Article Resource

    Article Directory - Free articles - ArticleGold
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    • Profile picture of the author glennda
      We are allowed to submit the same article to all the ones you listed correct?
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  • Profile picture of the author leogood
    Didn't think of it. I always use the last paragraph as the resource box, but it didn't occur to me I can use the last two paragraphs as the resource box. Great tip!
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      Originally Posted by leogood View Post

      it didn't occur to me I can use the last two paragraphs as the resource box.
      Recommended (by me, anyway ). All my resource-boxes on articles in article directories comprise at least two paragraphs (though the readers probably don't think so/realise), even if they're both short - and always with at least one link not in the last paragraph..
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    • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
      Originally Posted by leogood View Post

      Didn't think of it. I always use the last paragraph as the resource box, but it didn't occur to me I can use the last two paragraphs as the resource box. Great tip!
      Yeah. I actually love that tip. But don't you think that'll force us to write a little more than what we usually do? I mean for the mean body, the article length will be slashed by almost 40%.

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      • Profile picture of the author ELK
        Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

        Yeah. I actually love that tip. But don't you think that'll force us to write a little more than what we usually do? I mean for the mean body, the article length will be slashed by almost 40%.

        Karan

        I'm just starting up a Wordpress blog/site with a couple of long articles (1000-ish words), and I've sent them off to EZA and another directory so far. This is still in the very baby-beginning stages, but the few views I've had so far on my site is for over 8 minutes. That means someone is actually READING my articles.

        I know I hardly have enough data to draw any large conclusions, but visitors aren't bouncing away thinking there's nothing interesting there. That tells me people will stick around for a while once they are on my site. That is terrific news since I plan to do an opt-in and monetize my site in a few other ways.

        This is just my experience, but I believe it's telling me about what I'm doing right.
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        • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
          Originally Posted by ELK View Post

          I'm just starting up a Wordpress blog/site with a couple of long articles (1000-ish words), and I've sent them off to EZA and another directory so far. This is still in the very baby-beginning stages, but the few views I've had so far on my site is for over 8 minutes. That means someone is actually READING my articles.

          I know I hardly have enough data to draw any large conclusions, but visitors aren't bouncing away thinking there's nothing interesting there. That tells me people will stick around for a while once they are on my site. That is terrific news since I plan to do an opt-in and monetize my site in a few other ways.

          This is just my experience, but I believe it's telling me about what I'm doing right.
          Yeah. That's actually great, unless you are monetizing that kind of traffic.

          But people now want short and crisp readings, when they are searching for something.

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          • Profile picture of the author ELK
            I understand - it can be tough to see a longer article and think you want to get through it. That's why I'm emphasizing the visual aspect quite a bit - boldface headings, well-placed white space, strong headlines that let them know I'm really answering the question and it's worth following.

            I feel these "landmarks", if you will, can guide a person through the longer article so they can get the answer they want. If I'm creating a fleshed-out example to go with my bullet points, I may need to lay out each part of the example.

            But that's the difference between what I might have done to make that just 400-500 words long and what I did in a longer article. I don't think it actually takes much longer to read, but it seems like the extra time would be a lot (to the reader). With the landmarks, I'm hoping to overcome that and lead them to the deeper answer they were looking for in the first place.

            As I said, I'm just starting out and haven't yet monetized it. Of course, that is my plan, but I need to get something built up for people to visit first.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbones
    How does Google News treat this same question? Will they publish content that is syndicated on article directories?

    Forgive me if this is a noob question but I have not seen this yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author schttrj
      Originally Posted by sbones View Post

      How does Google News treat this same question? Will they publish content that is syndicated on article directories?

      Forgive me if this is a noob question but I have not seen this yet.
      That's actually an intelligent question, my friend!
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