Copywriters: How much for an A/R campaign?

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Hi guys, I'm in the process of quoting a client on setting up an autoresponder series for his printing business. I want to get a rough feel for how much I should be charging to get the copy written.

I wanted to give him a per email type of quote, though I'll be pushing him towards getting 10+ emails done.

I want to sell the "professional copywriter" aspect so he does these through me instead of in-house, because I want to make sure they're going to work.

Any ideas? Text based, say 10 part A/R. How much would this go for on Elance or Guru.com? (I've poked around there but it's hard to get info on past jobs).

Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Kyle Tully
    Originally Posted by JonathanBoettcher View Post

    I want to sell the "professional copywriter" aspect ... How much would this go for on Elance or Guru.com?
    Well which do you want, a professional copywriter quote or one from Elance?

    Absolute minimum for 1 email should be about $100.

    Expect to pay $250+ for a real pro.

    Or $10-$50 from Elance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Green
    I have to agree with Kyle here, I have found it very hard to find good work (professional work) on the freelancing sites. Quality is worth paying for, even if it is expensive up front.

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  • Profile picture of the author JonathanBoettcher
    Ok, LOL I guess I'm getting edjumacated here.

    So you're saying I'd need to PAY $100 per for an experienced copywriter? Or CHARGE? I'm assuming pay...

    So that means I could get a 10 part series for about $1000? I'm not looking to hire Dan Kennedy or anything, but I'd like to definitely get something that will sell.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      So if I understand you, you're looking to hire a copywriter on behalf of your client. Correct?

      Anyway, Kyle is right. I'd say $2,500 is acceptable. The series can be used over and over. People will always be joining his list. Print, TV, & Radio ads have to be paid for each time they run. And there's no guarantee that your target prospects will hear/see the message.

      Even if you redo the series every year at $2,500, it's a bargain.
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      • Profile picture of the author JonathanBoettcher
        Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

        So if I understand you, you're looking to hire a copywriter on behalf of your client. Correct?
        Correct.

        So you're saying I should charge my customer $2500?
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        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
          What's the nature of the A/R series?

          To reactivate stale/cold customers? Promote to current customers? Promote to prospects? Promote to brand new customers?

          How many people will potentially be on that list?

          How much of a sales boost can be estimated from the A/R series.

          Focus on the potential ROI for your customer and hire an adequately skilled copywriter accordingly.

          If there isn't enough ROI potential to make $2,500 feasible, find out what is feasible.

          I was just saying that for a pro to write a 10 part series, $2,500 is definitely reasonable. As long as it's feasible.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonathanBoettcher
    So you're saying I'd pay the pro $2500?

    It would be to promote to current customers and prospects. I'd say potential list size is anywhere from 1000 to 10,000. The owner is skeptical in the power of email... one of those self-proclaimed old school guys, so I'm trying to keep expectations extremely reasonable and conservative.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by JonathanBoettcher View Post

      So you're saying I'd pay the pro $2500?

      It would be to promote to current customers and prospects. I'd say potential list size is anywhere from 1000 to 10,000. The owner is skeptical in the power of email... one of those self-proclaimed old school guys, so I'm trying to keep expectations extremely reasonable and conservative.

      Yes, I'd say paying the pro $2,500 would be reasonable.

      Are you not comfortable writing the series yourself? If you wanted to be more cost effective, you could try to learn a little about copywriting (if you don't know already) and write them yourself.

      I bet if you sat down for half a day with the owner and just "interviewed" him about his business and his life story, you could pull out enough nuggets to shape the series around. And you would even have some insight about how to best write the messages in the owner's voice.

      If nothing else, you could write them and have a pro critique and/or edit them. That should lower the costs.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonathanBoettcher
    That's a good point. I've done a little bit of copywriting, and I've studied it a bunch, but I wanted to make absolutely sure I get really good results for this guy; he's going to be my first client (I hope =).

    I like your idea of getting a critique done... that would cut costs somewhat I suppose. Sure would put more money in my jeans.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
    Originally Posted by JonathanBoettcher View Post

    Hi guys, I'm in the process of quoting a client on setting up an autoresponder series for his printing business. I want to get a rough feel for how much I should be charging to get the copy written.

    I wanted to give him a per email type of quote, though I'll be pushing him towards getting 10+ emails done.

    I want to sell the "professional copywriter" aspect so he does these through me instead of in-house, because I want to make sure they're going to work.

    Any ideas? Text based, say 10 part A/R. How much would this go for on Elance or Guru.com? (I've poked around there but it's hard to get info on past jobs).

    Cheers
    Here's something to think about Jonathan...

    If you get a copywriter to create a successful AR series
    for the printing business in your area, you can then resell
    that on to other printers in other - non-competing - locations.

    You can then approach multiple printers with a proven AR
    series that you know works.

    You then license it onto them for a monthly fee.

    Of course, your copywrtiter may want a slice of the action
    too - depending upon their experience and savvy.

    But you'd then be able to afford any copywriter's fee within
    reason.

    And $2,500+ for copywriter to create a worthwhile AR
    series is not expensive.

    However, copywriting is one are I don't delegate out
    of my business - it's too important a skill not to have
    honed for so many applications.

    Dedicated to your success,

    Shaun
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    • Profile picture of the author JonathanBoettcher
      Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly View Post

      Here's something to think about Jonathan...

      If you get a copywriter to create a successful AR series
      for the printing business in your area, you can then resell
      that on to other printers in other - non-competing - locations.

      You can then approach multiple printers with a proven AR
      series that you know works.

      You then license it onto them for a monthly fee.

      Of course, your copywrtiter may want a slice of the action
      too - depending upon their experience and savvy.

      But you'd then be able to afford any copywriter's fee within
      reason.

      And $2,500+ for copywriter to create a worthwhile AR
      series is not expensive.

      However, copywriting is one are I don't delegate out
      of my business - it's too important a skill not to have
      honed for so many applications.

      Dedicated to your success,

      Shaun
      Thanks Shaun, personally I see the value here - the trick is getting the owner to see it too. Though I guess partially this is my own bias of what I think the owner is thinking. Argh.

      Long term I'd like to become proficient in copywriting. I definitely see the value in keeping that in-house. However, I recognize my lack of experience to date with this and wanted to make sure I can still deliver a good result for him.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly View Post

      If you get a copywriter to create a successful AR series
      for the printing business in your area, you can then resell
      that on to other printers in other - non-competing - locations.

      You can then approach multiple printers with a proven AR
      series that you know works.

      You then license it onto them for a monthly fee.
      Great tip, Shaun!
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    An autoresponder series written to a cold list of never mailed "why are you emailing me?" customers is not the panacea that many would like to think it is.

    A business owner who is unconvinced of the power of email and online relationship marketing is not going to have a "hot list" by any stretch of the imagination. It's a rude awakening for many new to the consulting gig. Obviously it's better than NO list, but only relative to the age and nature of how they came by it.

    So that needs to be taken into consideration. You have to MASSAGE what you can out of that list and reactivate it with care.

    And your deliverability and spam complaints will likely take an immediate and unpleasant hit initially - assuming you're not trying to bring the list into a new AR service account which will require a re-verification opt-in wherein the bulk of that list disappears immediately.

    All that said, you can "clean" that list and bring them into your new "good" list where your 10+ selling sequence can do its intended magic.

    Most of all, you need to have firm understandings of:

    WHY are you sending them these 10 emails - what are they about?

    WHO is on the other end of that email, ideally and specifically?

    WHAT do you want them to do, specifically, upon reading each email?

    Email marketing is a tool, a very powerful tool, but still just a tool. The skill of the person using the tool always determines the outcome.

    That's why you pay a copywriter $2,500+ to write an email sequence. Because they approach it from a perspective that goes well beyond expensive words in an email.

    Best,

    Brian
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  • Profile picture of the author JonathanBoettcher
    Hi Brian,

    Just to clarify, we'll be building the list from scratch. He doesn't currently have any list to speak of, so we'll be offering (I speak as though I've got the deal already) current customers some kind of an incentive to sign up. Might be a chance to win a steak dinner for two, might be a discount, I'm not sure.

    Basically his sales guys will mention this to people as they're talking to them, and I'm hoping if we put a good enough incentive in there lots of people will sign up. These are people who are currently either customers or immediate prospects.

    The emails will be about introducing the printer's services to the prospect - their services are actually quite broad and although someone might initially go in to get business cards, they could possibly make use of some of the other services. Each mailer would focus on one service, demonstrate how it would benefit the prospect and have a call to action. (IE, pick up the phone).

    The who would be their customers - primarily businesses - the people who are involved in making these decisions in their respective places. Mostly the list will contain either people that the sales team has contacted, or people who have walked into the store on their own.

    Cheers,
    Jonathan
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      Johnathan

      A weekly or monthly discount code for regular customers should help signups and retention.

      As a sweetener for the deal you could offer him 10 bonus articles for his website or make them into an ebook. For example

      How To Make An Impact With Your Business Cards
      Paper Quality - Does It Really Matter?
      How To Make A Great Brochure
      10 Recycling Tips That Save Your Company Money

      A while back one of the copywriting Warriors gave away copies of her client research questionnaire. A great resource. By the time your client has filled in one of those you know exactly what to write about. On top of that, the detailed questions the client has to answer make them think more strategically about their business and helps establish you as the expert.

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      • Profile picture of the author JonathanBoettcher
        Originally Posted by Martin Luxton View Post

        Johnathan

        A while back one of the copywriting Warriors gave away copies of her client research questionnaire. A great resource. By the time your client has filled in one of those you know exactly what to write about. On top of that, the detailed questions the client has to answer make them think more strategically about their business and helps establish you as the expert.

        Martin
        Thanks Martin - do you or does anyone else here have a copy of that client research questionnaire or something similar? I did a search on the forum for that phrase but nothing turned up..
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    • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
      Originally Posted by JonathanBoettcher View Post

      Hi Brian,

      Just to clarify, we'll be building the list from scratch. He doesn't currently have any list to speak of, so we'll be offering (I speak as though I've got the deal already) current customers some kind of an incentive to sign up. Might be a chance to win a steak dinner for two, might be a discount, I'm not sure.
      My mistake, I misread that the guy had a list already. More below.

      Basically his sales guys will mention this to people as they're talking to them, and I'm hoping if we put a good enough incentive in there lots of people will sign up. These are people who are currently either customers or immediate prospects.
      You've got your work cut out for you. It needs to be a REALLY GOOD reason for anyone to want to subscribe to an email list from a printer. And don't get me wrong, I'm not pissing on your opportunity. Quite the opposite.

      There's a significant difference between talking to a prospect and a customer. However, in both cases, you're communicating the ONE THING about Acme Printing that makes them extraordinary and exactly how that benefits the reader.

      Both readers care about how well Acme understands their frustrations and their wishes for their ideal printing vendor.

      Both readers care about how they can cut their printing costs, improve delivery, repurpose their marketing collateral for maximum impact at minimal cost, etc.

      The emails will be about introducing the printer's services to the prospect - their services are actually quite broad and although someone might initially go in to get business cards, they could possibly make use of some of the other services. Each mailer would focus on one service, demonstrate how it would benefit the prospect and have a call to action. (IE, pick up the phone).
      Here's a question to consider: Who at the company is going to receive incoming replies and messages? Who's going to follow up? If it's one person, consider having that person be the "sender". If not, make it an executive at the company and make the message personal, not corporate.

      Some thoughts: Consider incorporating a timed, pressure building offer that the sequence leads up to -- everyone who joins the list works their way to that special one-time "email only offer" or leverage an "email only discount" that they call to get at the end of each email in the call to action.

      Suggestion: Weave each service/topic into a brief story, testimonial, case-study, or tip (How Your Business Card Can Grow Your Entire Business, Three Creative Ways To Squeeze Every Last Penny Out Of Your Printing, etc.).

      The who would be their customers - primarily businesses - the people who are involved in making these decisions in their respective places. Mostly the list will contain either people that the sales team has contacted, or people who have walked into the store on their own.
      That's not a "who" it's a "what". They are not customers, they are individual people with a definable set of characteristics, pains, frustrations, motivations, wants, needs and requirements.

      Customers must be thought of and approached as individuals, not cattle or a faceless crowd. Remember, email is INDIVIDUAL permission based marketing, not interrupt oriented push marketing (which does treat customers like cattle).

      To be highly effective, you must consider the individual on the other side of the monitor and how he is receiving your message - in his email... right alongside the messages from his employees or boss, his co-workers and his friends, his family and his favorite diversions.

      Most importantly, it's arriving amidst not only spam, but a barrage of mindless noise generated by companies emailing "newsletters" and emails filled with sleep-inducing corporate-speak.

      "Acme Printing is the quality leader for all your printing needs!

      At Acme Printing, our 24 year commitment to quality is surpassed
      only by our comprehensive range of printing solutions at your service.

      Call us now and save 15% on your next Business Card order"


      Just doesn't work over email it's almost invisible if it ever gets looked at.

      Just like the old saying that "America sorts and opens it's mail over the waste basket", people open and read their email with a very itchy delete finger and it's even EASIER for them to ignore you via email.

      Hopefully this makes up for botching my read of your question first time around.

      Best,

      Brian
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  • Profile picture of the author JonathanBoettcher
    Hi Brian - thanks for the tips.

    I was planning on keeping the tone personal. I know a corporate mumbo jumbo email will draw about as much attention as a parade in a thunderstorm.

    I definitely like the idea of putting stories and testimonials in there...
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