A Big Apology to Warrior Forum...

[Jobfreetop]

I wanted to publicly apologise to the warrior forum, particularly to warriors I was extremely out of order to in the past, when I first came across this forum. I really was quite sick at the time, but it does not justify my behavior at that time (I'm talking roughly 7 years ago). I am making this apology because I feel that I was totally wrong in the ways I behaved, and I also feel I have done a lot of work on myself to the point where I can make an apology and actually mean it. I am very sorry for what I said and did at that time and wish I could take it back, I really do. Thank you for allowing me to make this post. Sam Beatson.

[D Ambrose]

Sam, we've never spoken before, however this kind of post shows true character.

Good for you bro.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Sam, I wasn't around at the time, but kudos to you.

Takes a lot of guts to admit when you did something wrong.

Welcome back.

[tiger325]

I wasnt around then either however for you to step up and admit you were wrong about something says something about your character

[Ernie Lonardo]

Your apologising for something you did 7 years ago?? LOL....strange but good on ya.

[Paul M]

WOW, what took you so long...





j/k

I wasn't around then either, however good on you for admitting fault and apologising.





-paul

[Tim_Carter]

Hi Sam

Long time since we conversed. I hope all is well.

Not sure what you are referring to - but I don't think it is an issue any more.

[George Wright]

Hi Sam,

I can never forgive you

Just Kidding of course. I was around then and I have no idea of what you are talking about. Nice to see you and I wish you only the best.

George Wright

[jenki1]

This been on your mind all this time?
How much sleep did you loose?

Ian

[Jared Alberghini]

ahhh... I get it... very clever of you

is Hypnoliminal even a word? Not last I checked...

- Jared

[Marhelper]

Which of the 12 steps is this again? Seriously, your heart is obviously in the right place and the sincerity of the post really comes across ... right on.

[Li Weng]

No idea what you did. I'm sure people have already forgotten about it. It's cool that you're admitting your mistakes.

[TashylaB]

Hey Sam,

Thanks for letting us know how you feel and showing us that you've changed. Even though Im fairly new here and we've never talked before, I am rather impressed to see someone with so much courage. Congratulations on your personal growth!

Good Luck and God Bless

[TimPhelan]

Are you Catholic?

[Spike SpiegelIM]

Wow it took you so long. Must feel good you got that out of your chest huh? You're awesome for admitting your own fault like a man..

[Jared Alberghini]

lol... guess nobody get's it... pm me if you are still confused...

[CIIC]

Originally Posted by Jobfreetop

I wanted to publicly apologise to the warrior forum, particularly to warriors I was extremely out of order to in the past, when I first came across this forum. I really was quite sick at the time, but it does not justify my behavior at that time (I'm talking roughly 7 years ago). I am making this apology because I feel that I was totally wrong in the ways I behaved, and I also feel I have done a lot of work on myself to the point where I can make an apology and actually mean it. I am very sorry for what I said and did at that time and wish I could take it back, I really do. Thank you for allowing me to make this post. Sam Beatson.

Great!

Like most others, I wasn't here either. But there are times in my life where I felt an apology was in order and I don't think there is any statute of limitations on an apology.

In fact, let's make this a thread of free apologies.

Sam, I'm truly sorry to you. Things aren't always what they seem.

Sorry to everyone else here too.

I hope that my apologies mark a healing process for each and every one of you.

[valerieSONORA]

Originally Posted by Jobfreetop

I wanted to publicly apologise to the warrior forum, particularly to warriors I was extremely out of order to in the past, when I first came across this forum. I really was quite sick at the time, but it does not justify my behavior at that time (I'm talking roughly 7 years ago). I am making this apology because I feel that I was totally wrong in the ways I behaved, and I also feel I have done a lot of work on myself to the point where I can make an apology and actually mean it. I am very sorry for what I said and did at that time and wish I could take it back, I really do. Thank you for allowing me to make this post. Sam Beatson.

Okay you're join date was 2005. This is 2008. Almost 2009. 7 years ago was 2001. How could you have done something wrong on WF 7 years ago if you've only been here 3 years? Or did you have another username back then and what was it? Has no one else noticed that?

[Chris Cho]

it takes a lot of balls to apologize for what you did yeaaaaaaars ago! people probably won't even remmeber. props!

[Dave777]

Smart WSO marketing...

Ok, we'll forgive you, just this one time...

Dave

[Jobfreetop]

Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini

ahhh... I get it... very clever of you

is Hypnoliminal even a word? Not last I checked...

- Jared

Hi Jared,

HYPNOLIMINAL - Hypnosis/Hypnotherapy + Subliminal. I coined the word.
No cleverness intended on this one.

Thanks for the greetings and warm words of support and respect. I was not expecting meet such wonderful people through this post. Wow.

[Mike McBride]

Originally Posted by choson

it takes a lot of balls to apologize for what you did yeaaaaaaars ago! people probably won't even remmeber. props!

Really? It takes no balls at all to apologize for something when nobody knows what the hell you're apologizing for. It takes no balls to apologize for something that nobody cares about.

It just takes balls to come along and start "apologizing" when you want to call attention to your new WSO, which, just coincidentally, is all about changing your behavior.

[Jobfreetop]

Originally Posted by annoyedgirl

Okay you're join date was 2005. This is 2008. Almost 2009. 7 years ago was 2001. How could you have done something wrong on WF 7 years ago if you've only been here 3 years? Or did you have another username back then and what was it? Has no one else noticed that?

Hi annoyedgirl - you are perfectly correct - I had another username. I'm pretty sure I was jobfreetop before 2005 though. I had to start a new profile because I had destroyed myself through the behaviour I mentioned (that is English spelling of behavior). I would not have made the 100+ sales of my first WSO "the ebayhits report" had I not done that though. I had to lay low as to who I really was. Wishing you peace and possibilities today and always.

[Jobfreetop]

Originally Posted by Mike McBride

Really? It takes no balls at all to apologize for something when nobody knows what the hell you're apologizing for. It takes no balls to apologize for something that nobody cares about.

It just takes balls to come along and start "apologizing" when you want to call attention to your new WSO, which, just coincidentally, is all about changing your behavior.

Sometimes sorry just means you're sorry, Mike. However I appreciate the jadedness that marketers feel about sneaky WSO promotion tactics. There is no conspiracy theory here. AB RAH CAD DAB RAH etc etc

[Jobfreetop]

Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini

lol... guess nobody get's it... pm me if you are still confused...

ditto, Jared.

[globalpro]

Maybe I am missing something here.

If the OP is sincere in their apology, then only time will tell.

If they have a WSO in the sig file and the timing seems to be a 'coincidence' (or on purpose), then this is a marketing forum, so what difference does it make. Only time will tell.

The fact that they came back after a few of the remarks that were made is what took more 'guts' than the apology. And again, if the OP has committed offenses in the past, then coming clean, no matter what the time frame, is always good for the soul.

If it is a ruse to promote a WSO, then it will be shown for what it is in time. And yet some of the marketing techniques being used today aren't much different. The most annoying of late being the subject line of "I have some bad news".

Now, the thing that concerns me is the 'jaded' attitude that I am starting to see more and more of on this forum. I have been a long time member, who only started back being involved here. Many great things to learn and people to know.

The reason I quit coming around before was because of the consistant scrutiny and belittlement of people that posted contrary to the 'status quo'. Sometimes it became like a feeding frenzy that didn't stop until blood was shed.

Since I have been back, I am starting to see this more and more. Sad, because this became the image that this forum presented to new people that came here and was something that was discussed on other forums. The feeling of being alienated for not conforming to the percieved 'status quo' really had an impact and stop many from participating here, many that really could have benefited from the combined experience and knowledge found here.

Bottom line is, if the OP is sincere in their apology, then people are obligated to accept it and move on. If they aren't, then it will become apparent, they will be exposed and soon be gone...

BUT, more important is this forum remain a safe haven for people to come, ask their questions and receive positive and helpful responses. Yes, there will be what are percieved as 'stupid' questions (to me there are no stupid questions if asked in sincerity), but people are people and everyine has their moments.

Hopefully, at those moments there will be enough 'mature' marketers here that will step up to guide and teach, rather than berate and belittle.

Sorry for getting off topic, but I needed to say this.

To Sam, I think what you have done is commendable, if you are sincere. The burden is now on you to prove it and I hope you do.

Thanks,

John

[Glenn Grundberg]

Originally Posted by Jobfreetop

Hi annoyedgirl - you are perfectly correct - I had another username. I'm pretty sure I was jobfreetop before 2005 though. I had to start a new profile because I had destroyed myself through the behaviour I mentioned (that is English spelling of behavior). I would not have made the 100+ sales of my first WSO "the ebayhits report" had I not done that though. I had to lay low as to who I really was. Wishing you peace and possibilities today and always.

Oh, nonsense.

In 2001 the WF was a paid site that had JUST launched. It didn't even EXIST in the form it is now- not even close.

Not only that, but according to your profile, you are 23 years old. Do you expect us to believe that you were a WF member actively posting about IM issues when you were 16? That happens fairly frequently today, but back in 2001? I never saw that trend until just a couple of years ago.

Another thing...You and I joined about the same time, and I remember you. As far as I can recall, the only hot water you ever got into was by basically accusing several prominent Warriors of using someone else to post for them to inflate their post count.

And...as I recall, there wasn't that big a deal made about it besides some mild flaming, and you walked away basically unscathed. So what is this Great Sin you feel the need to atone for? Especially now, with a WSO running?

@Mike McBride & AnnoyedGirl:

Agreed. I call Bull****.

Good luck with the WSO, Dude...

[Jobfreetop]

Glenn, I joined in about 2002/3 I think. Yes, it was a paid forum, but the warriorforum/forum link was indexed somewhere I believe. I was not a paid member. At the time I was a medical student at a prominent UK university, and could not afford Allen's products or the hostforprofit whatever it was to get in. Stop being so slanderous. I am a longstanding member of this forum, since around 2002/3, my second or third year at university. And I'm 28 now.

[Glenn Grundberg]

Hey- I wasn't trying to "slander" you.

I apologize if that's how you took it, and if you are really trying to atone for something, I say good on ya, mate!

But I'm still unclear on WHAT you are apologizing for, and the timing of an incendiary subject line and post like this just yanks my chain every time.

So, once again, sorry if I got it wrong...

Peace!

Gman

[Jobfreetop]

Thanks Glen, accepted, showing your colors, you're a beautiful man, mate.

Thou sins art forgiven ye.

...

Basically, the people who may have gotten hurt will know and that is what matters.

[Paul Myers]

Glenn,

In 2001 the WF was a paid site that had JUST launched.

Huh?

I joined in 97 or 98. I don't know where you're getting your history, but I'd ask for a refund.


Paul

[valerieSONORA]

Originally Posted by Jobfreetop

Hi annoyedgirl - you are perfectly correct - I had another username. I'm pretty sure I was jobfreetop before 2005 though. I had to start a new profile because I had destroyed myself through the behaviour I mentioned (that is English spelling of behavior). I would not have made the 100+ sales of my first WSO "the ebayhits report" had I not done that though. I had to lay low as to who I really was. Wishing you peace and possibilities today and always.

Yeah...so...your username back then was jobfreetop and today it's the exact same username jobfreetop, the join date just magically changed from 2001 or 2002 to 2005? Um, ok. Maybe I'll try to see if I can change my username again to the exact same one I have now. Sounds...useless, but interesting.

Since nobody knows what the heck you're talking about and everyone says "thanks for apologizing but i dont know what you did" why don't you just PM everyone you offended 7 years ago and personally apologize for your mystery offense that no one knows about.

Apologizing to a bunch of people who don't know who you are and who you don't know for something bad you allegedly did 7 years ago isn't going to do anything. Strangers can't forgive you for something you didn't do to them. Go straight to whoever it is you hurt. And don't try your hypno stuff on me either.

[jsward]

Well done Sam, I was not around then but yes its shows you have balls.

[jimcal]

Hi,
This is crazy but it is good reading.
Thanks,
Jim

[bobmcalister]

hi yall ...it may be step 4 of the 12 steps ...dont remember exactly but a public apology is required I believe. Catholic ....who knows ? and heck, but the tapes and let us know about the NEW you ...

hmmmmmmmmm

[Paul Myers]

Why would anyone feel the need to post something like this...

A few possibilities spring immediately to mind. Assign your own estimate of probability to each one:

He really thinks he did something for which an apology years later will make a difference, and wants to fix it.

He likes drama.

He believes, based on the way people respond with, "Yep. You're a man. We love you" every time someone apologizes, that it's good for his image.

He's attempting to establish his reputation as an expert in the personal change field.

He's trying to drum up attention for his products, by posting multiple threads that point to them in different ways.

A combination of some/all of the above.

Something else entirely, which hasn't occurred to me.

The fact that only one of those is positive should not be considered a sign that there's something negative here. It just means that there's no positive explanation I can think of offhand for a fake apology, if that's what it is.

I don't remember what he's talking about. Given that I was a moderator here at the time and would almost certainly have been in the thick of it, it can't have been anything too horrible.


Paul

[globalpro]

Paul,

As always, thank your for your valuable insight.

The thing I see is not so much the apology, but the fact that the OP has come back, responded and maintained his composure in the face of adversity and scepticism as opposed to striking back.

Thanks,

John

[Jobfreetop]

GlobalP, what is OP?

[Ebbi]

This is funny.....

First of all I don't believe a single word he's saying in this thread
because it has all backfired on him!

But what I will give him credit for is the will to succeed, he's trying
everything he can to get more WSO sales which is alright in my
opinion but not like this!

This thread might have slipped under the radar on every other IM
forum out there but not the WF!

Ebbi

[Paul Myers]

OP == "Original post" or "Original poster."

[dbarnum]

7 years ago, wow, no recall, dude

Welcome back !

[Paul Myers]

Ebbi,

First of all I don't believe a single word he's saying in this thread because it has all backfired on him!

I haven't seen anything that "backfired," except that he drew skeptical responses from people who don't know what he's talking about.

The opinions of others have nothing to do with whether or not the original comments are true and sincere.


Paul

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by BlogBrowser

Why would anyone feel the need to post something like this...

Well there have been a few posts like this recently.
They usually attract a lot of attention.
And once one makes a post like this,
it's not too long before everyone wants to start apologising.

[Paul M]

I hope Sam is actually making an apology and not just a cheap trick
to get attention or he will indeed have to "fight for his integrity"

I "apologise" if this sounds harsh, however the lack of clarity from the
OP just makes this thread look like an attention seeking attempt.

You might find a more suited response if you actually enlighten
us to what your apologising for....




-paul

[Jobfreetop]

Paul, I hurt some people with my words on this forum in the past. I acted out, I was wrong and I recognise that. I'm now apologising for that to those people in the only way I know how which was to post because I don't remember individual names, but I do remember some of the comments I made and the comments others made, too. The fact others want to join the thread for whatever reason, is absolutely OK by me. I wanted to apologise for me, because I was extremely hurtful towards others on this forum in the past, and for them to let them know. All of us want attention, it's a part of human nature, whether we're rich, poor, married, or Hugh Heffner, if you read this thread as an expression of my wanting attention, that's fine, too. May be none of the people who I feel I owe the apology too have seen it, may be they don't care. If you or others don't care, well it wasn't really a message for you anyway and you could have just realised this thread wasn't meant for you. I'm not going to be commenting on this thread any more now. I thank those who have supported me on this thread. I hope any inputs/comments help you in the short or long run, whether your own or anyone elses.

[cesarsan]

*reads the posts here* Lol, remind me to never apologize to anyone.

I don't know if this is sincere or not, but if this was burning through your mind for seven years it was surely a big deal to you. Maybe the offended part even forgot about it.

[Debbie Songster]

Well there have been a few posts like this recently.
They usually attract a lot of attention.
And once one makes a post like this,
it's not too long before everyone wants to start apologising.

Ok I'll bite.
I apologize for anything I will do in the future that upsets the delicate and harmonious equilibrium of the members of the Warrior Forum.
Note in an attempt to save space I have posted on this "apology" thread - besides I don't have a new WSO to promote.

The preceding should clear me of all future dastardly deeds (my 2009 goal is to become a real bitch!)

LOL

If your apology is sincere - congratulations for making it because 7 years is a long time to carry that baggage around.
Note: the above was an attempt to lighten the "mood" (except I could become a bitch is 2009... thinking about it...)

[4today]

i can't remember what i did 7 weeks ago.....but ok!!
Was anyone around way back when?

[D Ambrose]

Hi again Jobfreetop,,,

When I first made the post to congratulate your character there was no signature link and I just assumed you were apologizing.

HOWEVER...

Now that it's getting some hits and people are beginning to question your intentions (that you only made this post with the foreknowledge of wanting to promote your WSO) and the fact you edited the post to include your signature link, may I suggest that you go back and re-edit your original post to remove your signature link.

Although I respect your wanting to market your WSO, but do you honestly think people are going to click on it and buy what your selling if they feel at all scammed into doing so?

At least removing your sig on this thread would remove any doubts in your authenticity to apologize.

Just an idea?

[Jobfreetop]

Done on all posts. I did not realise you can do that unless you go to manage advanced. Thanks very much for pointing it out.