Are Your Tired Of . . .

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I've had a really crappy day so I came to the Warrior Forum for a bit of inspiration, like I usually do, but there's something that I've noticed for a very long time that's been bothering me, so I figured I'd create this thread to discuss it.

Have you ever noticed that successful internet marketer A can be in one thread talking about the method that they've used to generate a 6 figure yearly income . . . and then you can go into another thread and successful internet marketer B can be in there talking about how successful internet marketer A's method could never possibly work (names are never mentioned, btw and I'm sure that internet marketer B doesn't even have internet marketer A in the back of their mind when they're saying this). It's just a rather discouraging thing, and I can imagine especially for a newbie.

Example: Internet Marketer A makes $100,000 a year autoblogging. While Internet Marketer B makes $100,000 a year doing something else and absolutely insists that Internet Marketer A's method can't possibly work (describing the method down to the T and trying to debunk every faucet of it).

It frustrates me to no end to see this, because then in the back of your mind you start to think . . . which one is lying? They both claim to be really successful, have high forum post counts, and are highly respected members of the community.

I think this is one reason that newbie's switch methods so often. Sometimes it's not because something bigger and better and possibly easier has come out. Sometimes it's because someone that you respect knocks the method that you adapted from someone else that you respect and it causes great doubt in your mind.

I hope that wasn't too confusing. What are your guys thoughts on this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan O'Neil
    I'll leave the thematic discussion to others but wanted to quickly comment on this bit:

    Originally Posted by Ofthemix View Post

    ... They both claim to be really successful, have high forum post counts, and are highly respected members of the community.
    A high post count on a forum doesn't mean squat. Or if it means anything then, in most cases, it means that the person is NOT successful because otherwise he would be running his business, rather than wasting hours upon hours every day on forums.

    Obviously, there's exceptions to this (for instance, people who have already taken their business to the level where they don't need to put a whole lot of time into running/expanding it), but they're just that - exceptions.

    Another thing - you can safely except 90% of profit claims made on forums to be inflated, if not completely inaccurate. People have the tendency to exaggerate with this kind of stuff in order to make them seem bigger/better/more successful than they really are. And what better way of doing this than hiding behind an online identity.

    All in all, it doesn't really matter who you trust and you you don't trust. Just try different approaches, see what works for YOU and keep doing it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
      Originally Posted by Bryan O'Neil View Post

      A high post count on a forum doesn't mean squat. Or if it means anything then, in most cases, it means that the person is NOT successful because otherwise he would be running his business, rather than wasting hours upon hours every day on forums.
      That was another point I was thinking about. Some of these people are on the forum almost all day long. I hate to base my decision on who to listen to on that though. But perhaps it is a clearer indication than one might think.
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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi Ofthe mix,

        It frustrates me to no end to see this, because then in the back of your mind you start to think . . . which one is lying?
        And then you conclude - there's really no way of knowing if anyone is telling the truth. You also note that different posters have different motivations for posting - but it's clear that for some it is a presell, therefore the information is biased towards making a sale - IE - it's fabrication, embellished to make things sound easier and more lucrative.

        The only logical conclusion to come to is that one should only act on forum hearsay if they are fully willing to accept the consequences of such a decision.

        A much better way is to scan the forum for inspiration and ideas. Then go and test these things in order to gain empirical evidence. Then come back and scan some more. Then apply those new ideas and inspiration to the new-found knowledge, based on the previous tests.

        Keep repeating.

        In short -

        Use the forum to gain ideas.

        Test the ideas.

        Build up a knowledge base derived from the test results.

        Find more ideas and test them.

        Integrate the stuff that works into the system.

        Keep repeating the process.

        Certain things are consistent -

        a) the forum is only for ideas, not for 'facts' or big decisions.

        b) facts and big decisions are based upon empirical evidence derived from your OWN tests.
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        • Profile picture of the author advancedyn
          Originally Posted by ExRat View Post


          Certain things are consistent -

          a) the forum is only for ideas, not for 'facts' or big decisions.

          b) facts and big decisions are based upon empirical evidence derived from your OWN tests.
          I'm so new, I can't even thank you yet but I concur wholeheartedly with you ExRat. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamie Drew
    I'm a newbie and I can say that you're right. It does get discouraging when something you're trying to do is getting played down or ripped to parts and think to yourself, maybe they're right, maybe that is why I am not making money from this method!
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi JamieD87,

      I'm a newbie and I can say that you're right. It does get discouraging when something you're trying to do is getting played down or ripped to parts and think to yourself, maybe they're right, maybe that is why I am not making money from this method!
      I understand where you're coming from - we've all been there.

      What I am trying to get at in my post above is that it leads to the next 'stage' - where you realise that whatever you do in life, or in business, there will be all sorts of people trying to pull the rug from under you and undermine you for all sorts of reasons. It's fun and educational to learn more about those reasons, but at the end of the day you don't actually need to understand them - you just need to generally ignore them and to start applying and refining filters to the information that you consume and to be more selective - no information is better than bad information.

      You really only have two options.

      You either listen to them and keep changing direction continually.

      Or you realise that it is just noise, so you examine the logic, reason and hopefully test results that you originally used to make the decision in the first place, remind yourself that it was all sound, remind yourself that there are never any guarantees and then you carry on and see it through.

      If you were right and it works, the detractors will delight you when they proclaim that 'it will never work' because those who are less bloody-minded than yourself will read it and then continually change direction and remove themselves from the competition pool, while you quietly keep proving to yourself that it does work.

      The knock-on benefit of this is that as you get fully into this stage of relying on yourself and ignoring the noise, it provides a whole bunch of side benefits in business and life, because you have just become a lot smarter, wiser, resilient, self-confident, rational, logical, independent....etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jamie Drew
        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

        Hi JamieD87,

        I understand where you're coming from - we've all been there.

        What I am trying to get at in my post above is that it leads to the next 'stage' - where you realise that whatever you do in life, or in business, there will be all sorts of people trying to pull the rug from under you and undermine you for all sorts of reasons.

        You then have two options.

        You either listen to them and keep changing direction continually.

        Or you realise that it is just noise, so you examine the logic, reason and hopefully test results that you originally used to make the decision in the first place, remind yourself that it was all sound, remind yourself that there are never any guarantees and then you carry on and see it through.

        If you were right and it works, the detractors will delight you when they proclaim that 'it will never work' because those who are less bloody-minded than yourself will read it and then continually change direction and remove themselves from the competition pool, while you quietly keep proving to yourself that it does work.
        Hi ExRat,

        I guess you're right. To quote thousands of other WF members, I guess the key is to "stick to it" and be persistent. This forum/community is great, there is always someone who re-instills your belief in IM. I guess if you're persistent then it's just a question of when and not if!

        Thank you,

        Jamie D
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        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
          Hi JamieD87,

          I guess if you're persistent then it's just a question of when and not if!
          Well yes, with one caveat - it's possible to flog a dead horse.

          We have to be aware of this and try to avoid it.

          But those decisions should be based on empirical evidence derived from our own tests rather than from hearsay.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    It's actually quite possible that both are telling the honest truth, from their own perspective.

    You see the one thing that can never really be fully documented in a "How To" guide is how to know which methods will work for you as a unique individual.

    You can look at it like this.

    When you look through the wanted ads for a 9 - 5 job do you apply for every single one?

    No, you only apply for the jobs that you are particularly well qualified for due to your aptitudes, skills, experience and talents.

    And do you then consider the jobs you don't apply for to be ineffective roles?

    No, you just know that they're not right for you.

    Person in role A might absolutely fail in role B. That doesn't mean anything apart from the fact they are very well suited to role A, even if they do say that role B was a total waste of time.

    The same thing is true with online business models, with each one being very much like a role advertised in a wanted ad.

    You have to pick a role that you are well suited to in order for it to work for you.

    And then you still have to go through a "training" period before you can really excel at it.

    Either way, you have to pick the model that's right for you as much as you have to pick one with the potential to work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
      Originally Posted by Kezz View Post

      It's actually quite possible that both are telling the honest truth, from their own perspective.

      You see the one thing that can never really be fully documented in a "How To" guide is how to know which methods will work for you as a unique individual.

      You can look at it like this.

      When you look through the wanted ads for a 9 - 5 job do you apply for every single one?

      No, you only apply for the jobs that you are particularly well qualified for due to your aptitudes, skills, experience and talents.

      And do you then consider the jobs you don't apply for to be ineffective roles?

      No, you just know that they're not right for you.

      Person in role A might absolutely fail in role B. That doesn't mean anything apart from the fact they are very well suited to role A, even if they do say that role B was a total waste of time.

      The same thing is true with online business models, with each one being very much like a role advertised in a wanted ad.

      You have to pick a role that you are well suited to in order for it to work for you.

      And then you still have to go through a "training" period before you can really excel at it.

      Either way, you have to pick the model that's right for you as much as you have to pick one with the potential to work.
      Using the work example. If I plan to apply for company A because it suits my interests, but yet someone I know has worked for that company and says that it absolutely sucks, I can guarantee I won't be applying for company A. Who wants to work somewhere that sucks, even if it does match their skill set and interests?

      I think the point that I was trying to make, is that with a lot of methods of making money online it takes a pretty good amount of time to get the ball rolling. If you're in the initial stages of doing something, the point where you've worked your butt off but have yet to see return because there just hasn't been enough time, it sucks when someone you respect comes along and is like, "That would never work because . . ." It just makes you feel like you've busted your butt for nothing, especially when you're at a critical point when you're waiting for return and teetering on the edge of deciding if what you're doing is actually working or if it was a complete waste of time.

      People always say to find one method and stick to it. Bust your hump with unwavering focus until it starts to pay off. But that's a bit difficult when you're working your method and then someone who you know is successful comes up behind you and basically says that your method sucks. It's no wonder that so many newbies have a hard time sticking with one thing.

      This isn't personally deterring me from going along with my plans. The method that I'm using makes perfect sense to me, despite any naysayers out there. I was just noticing this a lot in the forum and thought I'd bring it up for discussion. Maybe I would just prefer if people took the, 'it didn't work for me but it may work for you approach', instead of the 'you're never going to be successful doing that' approach.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
    You must see for yourself what will work for you. I have had the same problems focusing on one thing versus another yet once I strap down and do something I realize that I have success. You must FOCUS to SUCCEED!
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  • Profile picture of the author Givebest
    I am also new here and got some knowledge through this thread, want to learn many more things, hope will learn through experience.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Or if it means anything then, in most cases, it means that the person is NOT successful because otherwise he would be running his business, rather than wasting hours upon hours every day on forums.
      Sorry, but that's bunk. Some of us are faster typists than others. Some have the forum open while we're working and so can respond more often. If you can read fast and type reasonably, you can do a lot of posts in a short amount of time.

      Just as high post count means nothing when it comes to whether a person is trustworthy or not, it also doesn't mean that most are broke or unsuccessful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Genghis John
    Pretty much any method can work, but "free traffic" models dominate offers IMO, and as such most of the media buying stuff gets underplayed. It's all how you do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author sim22
    I tend to believe members without a signature or those running a WSO. They have less motive to lie about their earnings.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
      Originally Posted by sim22 View Post

      I tend to believe members without a signature or those running a WSO. They have less motive to lie about their earnings.
      lol Most that run WSOs have it in their signatures.
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