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Argh, Sign up lists on ClickBank Products!

by thedog
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I'm looking for some ClickBank products to promote. I believe it's best to avoid the ones with sign up lists, as they de-hop you link.

Is this right?
#argh #clickbank #lists #products #sign
  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Originally Posted by thedog View Post

    I'm looking for some ClickBank products to promote. I believe it's best to avoid the ones with sign up lists, as they de-hop you link.

    Is this right?
    That's one reason but the other reason is you should be building your own list of leads and selling to those people yourself NOT giving them to the product owner. Remember that only a small percentage of all your traffic will buy the product. Don't waste the rest of the traffic. Grab their email and follow up with them for better results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
    Not all of them do. There are plenty of honest marketers that add a list into the bargain to help the affiliate with customer retention and sales.

    But you need to check into it before you head too far. An easy way to do that is simply creating a hoplink for the product and clicking on it. Join the list and see what happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author pdrs
      Was just going to suggest that. It's a tricky path, watch for the ones that people you respect are using as well, that'll give you a better idea of the credibility.

      Originally Posted by Doug Wakefield View Post

      Not all of them do. There are plenty of honest marketers that add a list into the bargain to help the affiliate with customer retention and sales.

      But you need to check into it before you head too far. An easy way to do that is simply creating a hoplink for the product and clicking on it. Join the list and see what happens.
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      • Profile picture of the author thedog
        Thanks for the tips, I'm testing now...

        @ pdrs, how do I find ones with people I respect? I don't really follow.

        I find them very counter productive, I've just left 2, as I have to head off and confirm... if I was a real customer I'd be anoyed
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  • Profile picture of the author pdrs
    Look at the ones that they are promoting to you
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    It really come down to your diligence checks. For somebody who is a complete unknown and has little or no history, I wouldn't promote their sales page, but if it is somebody who's a known marketer(Frank Kern for example) who's business history is track-able, then I will have no problem sending leads to a sales page.

    @ WillR

    This is a big misconception, you get paid for every lead you send to that page, what do you think the EPC(Earnings Per Click) stat represents? It also depends on the quality of leads you send.

    Also, most smart marketers build lists of buyers, not freebie seekers, and after the email sequence, no more emails are sent and the subscribers are deleted. So you are not freely building somebody else's list for them.

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    • Profile picture of the author thedog
      Thanks for the feedback.

      Can someone please tell me how this product is one of the most popular, in the category I want.

      I'd like to promote it, as it's sales page is nice, apart from the fact there's no "buy" button

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      How are they getting sales?
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      • Profile picture of the author blackjack
        Originally Posted by thedog View Post

        Thanks for the feedback.

        Can someone please tell me how this product is one of the most popular, in the category I want.

        I'd like to promote it, as it's sales page is nice, apart from the fact there's no "buy" button

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        How are they getting sales?
        Go back and check what's on the right hand side of the above page???

        It is squeeze Page. The person is collecting email and then selling over and over.
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        • Profile picture of the author thedog
          Originally Posted by blackjack View Post

          Go back and check what's on the right hand side of the above page???

          It is squeeze Page. The person is collecting email and then selling over and over.
          I don't understand.. so, there's nothing for sale here, just a free report for my email?

          Or do I log back in, and then I can buy the product... either way, I'm off by the 3rd click and I still haven't got what I went there for...

          Cheers for the feedback
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      This is a big misconception, you get paid for every lead you send to that page, what do you think the EPC(Earnings Per Click) stat represents? It also depends on the quality of leads you send.
      No misconception at all.

      If I send 100 leads to a page and it converts at 2% and I make $25 per sale, then I have just made $50. Now if I instead use a squeeze page, add those people to my list, put them through a good follow up series and convert 10% of those people (which is 5% of the original 100 leads because my squeeze page converts at 50%) then I have now made $250 instead.

      That's quite a large difference.

      So am I throwing away money by not doing anything with all those people that do not buy? You bet I am. EPC doing things your way is $0.50 and EPC doing things my way is $2.50.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      Also, most smart marketers build lists of buyers, not freebie seekers, and after the email sequence, no more emails are sent and the subscribers are deleted. So you are not freely building somebody else's list for them.
      The misconception is that freebie seekers do not buy. If you offer someone a free solution to their problem they are going to take it - it goes without saying. But it does not mean they are not prepared to pay for a paid solution down the track.

      They are not necessarily freebie seekers. A lot of them are people looking for paid solutions who happen to come across a free solution. It's all up to the skills of the marketer. To throw these leads away is a waste - and I have proven that time and time again in my own business.

      Each to their own I guess. But remember, a buyer was once someone who hadn't bought something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Qamar
    I tried on one of the panic attack product on CB that collect list on your behalf. I test it and they are proven to be honest.

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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      No misconception at all.

      If I send 100 leads to a page and it converts at 2% and I make $25 per sale, then I have just made $50. Now if I instead use a squeeze page, add those people to my list, put them through a good follow up series and convert 10% of those people (which is 5% of the original 100 leads because my squeeze page converts at 50%) then I have now made $250 instead.

      That's quite a large difference.

      So am I throwing away money by not doing anything with all those people that do not buy? You bet I am. EPC doing things your way is $0.50 and EPC doing things my way is $2.50.
      Will, I think you will find that the OP is concerned about sending his own subscribers to a salespage with an email opt-in, not direct linking, if not, then you would be correct.

      When you find marketers who know what they are doing, more often than not, the person who created the auto-responder series will be a professional copywriter and the conversions far greater than 2%, way better than you yourself would achieve, unless you are secretly a topgun copywriter who specialises in email.

      Respectfully.

      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      The misconception is that freebie seekers do not buy. If you offer someone a free solution to their problem they are going to take it - it goes without saying. But it does not mean they are not prepared to pay for a paid solution down the track.

      They are not necessarily freebie seekers. A lot of them are people looking for paid solutions who happen to come across a free solution. It's all up to the skills of the marketer. To throw these leads away is a waste - and I have proven that time and time again in my own business.

      Each to their own I guess. But remember, a buyer was once someone who hadn't bought something.
      Will, it's true that some may buy at a later stage, however, your EPS(Earnings Per Subscriber) will be significantly lower than a list of buyers. Comparing the a relationship and value of a tire kicker with the relationship and value of a buyer is comparing apples to oranges.

      Respectfully

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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by thedog View Post

    I believe it's best to avoid the ones with sign up lists
    My sense is that the overwhelming majority of successful affiliates would agree with that.

    As you can (perhaps) infer from all the threads like this one.

    There are also many who don't agree, but they're mostly among the 90% of affiliates who collectively make only 10% of the affiliate-referred sales, so there's arguably no need to listen to them too much.

    Originally Posted by thedog View Post

    I'm looking for some ClickBank products to promote.
    For me, that's a permanently ongoing process.

    I spend an hour or two looking, whenever I feel like it.

    It's really time-consuming. (If it's not, you're either relying on guesswork, relying on second-hand information, or doing something else wrong). And it's really important, because even if you do everything else connected with your business to perfection, if you get the product-selection wrong, you can't ever make a living.

    If it helps/interests anyone, my own little checklist of product-selection criteria is here.
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    • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
      I don't like signup boxes on sales pages so I choose not to promote products that have them.

      Generally you will get the sale if someone signs up,then buys through clickbank but there is nothing stopping an affiliate offering a paypal link in an email.

      It's a very lazy way of doing things, If the vendor wants to build a list I prefer to see the sign up box after the sales page and then passing details to the check out page.... as about 85% of visitors to the checkout abandon this give the vendor a chance of rescuing your sale.


      There is a worse problem with some vendors and that's the ones that add paypal links to the sales pages, I actually found one on clickbank that had 3 paypal links and only 1 clickbank link, when I reported it CB said there was nothing wrong with doing that!!

      Check the sales pages! (even the images)
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by M Thompson View Post

        There is a worse problem with some vendors and that's the ones that add paypal links to the sales pages, I actually found one on clickbank that had 3 paypal links and only 1 clickbank link, when I reported it CB said there was nothing wrong with doing that!!
        Yes, they do allow that, unfortunately. They allow most "vendor tricks" (because they can't really "police" them all, perhaps). :rolleyes:

        Originally Posted by M Thompson View Post

        Check the sales pages! (even the images)
        Absolutely. Very good point and can't be made often enough!
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