Anyone else feel let down by the people we pay good money to?

I don't. If you are buying coaching repeatedly, as part of your post implies, the answer isn't in the coaching but inside yourself. Did you follow their directions and work whatever method you were coached on? You also may be choosing the wrong people to be coached by...hard to tell with what you've said, of course.

As to JVs, joint ventures are terrific but when they tell you to make JVs, they're not telling you they have to be a high level marketer. Generally speaking, like goes with like - your JV attempts should focus on marketers on your level or just above. Otherwise, what do you have to offer someone who is a lot further along?

Yeah, I feel your pain. I was in that circuit for a while...being on leaderboards, getting JVs and stuff. But then if you make a mistake you are history. All in all it was too stressful...there are plenty of great opportunities out there. That's what's great about WF because the people in here are pretty approachable and not just trying to jack you out of your hard earned money!

"I don't. If you are buying coaching repeatedly, as part of your post implies, the answer isn't in the coaching but inside yourself."
Good for you Tina but spare me the 'it's inside youself' sermon. I know that as much as the next man and believe me, I've worked damned hard to push through the barriers.

Like I said I wasn't after a meal ticket form these people. Yes, I've followed their coaching and we do $10-$20k/month in our niche so it's not that I haven't learned from them - that's not the issue - all I was saying is that some of them promise the world but aren't approachable.

"A question you should ask yourself is why you keep giving these people your money.Who are these people that didn't give you what you paid for? How did you choose them? Did you check them out first? I feel there is more to this than meets the eye. "

I don't keep giving them money. They did give me what I paid for - read the post - again, the point I was making was just that they aren't approachable once they've had your money. I'm not sure what you're on about - 'more to this than meets the eye'? It was just a straightforward whinge. Are we not allowed to do that?

Sounds to me , your getting the wrong coaching, or wrong coaching for you.

everyone learns a bit differently, some are hands on, some learn by example etc.

you need to find a coach that works well with you, and when you do, stick with them.

Interesting... Can someone list criteria on choosing coach/mentor plz.

This is what I call unfair customer expectation.

Let me elaborate.

Customer goes to site reads copy and buys coaching hoping this will do 2 things one will give them the knowledge needed to succeed in the niche they are wanting the coaching for.
That is a misconception and granted some people do play it up but any coach I know is pretty down to earth and in fact tell the students you will get out of this what you put into it so it is not just the knowledge provided it is the action on said knowledge

The second problem and expectation is the coach owes the student once completed.
Coach is supposed to:
launch the student.
jv with the student.
promote the student.

This again an unfair expectation of the customer of the coaching.

You want a jv? Go work your tail off and get something done where people buzz about it. get some experience in the real world not knowledge without action take action prove you are the material people want to associate with that they can trust

Help people. do things for them for no reason. Reach out to people higher in the industry and offer to do something for them for free you want to stand out offer something with no expectation of them at all then just to be happy to be of service.

make a product and give it to them branded with their name and their business they can give to their list. get your head out of your self pity and into the mindset of success. I speak from experience and after 4 yrs of doing this business I have some sort of understanding.

look at a coach like a school would you expect your professor to go and find you a job tell all their friends about you and put their name beside yours? of course not. so...
-Will

WD Mino,

"get your head out of your self pity and into the mindset of success."

Self pity isn't something I suffer from. I made a statement about people promising the world and not delivering. Making this observation has nothing to do with self pity.

A lot of gurus teach you all the techniques that they know of but a lot of people don't take action and spend more and more money on stuff they don't need. And then complain that people just took their money and ran.

I have seen a lot of training materials that are sold by those many online GURUS and I must say that they are EXACTLY what a person needs in order to make great money online.

People just don't take action with it. That's the main problem.

I'm curious.

What specifically were you promised in writing and what was and was not specifically delivered with one of these marketers? (Without naming names, of course, since it's against the rules). Granted, there are definitely snake oil sales people out there, but there are also some fantastic coaches out there.

Until we know more specifics on what was not delivered on, it's really hard to jump on this band wagon.

RoD

You must be doing something drastically wrong if you are struggling with being unable to get in touch with high up JV partners...

I am relatively new in the industry and yet I have already formed some really good relationships with people in the industry. I was even trying to promote for them when I had a list of less than 100 just to show I was trying for them!

You just have to get out there and get on with it. I don't think your coach should be forced into JV'ing with you. If they don't feel your product is of any value to their list then why would they promote it?

I know when I am looking at promoting products I like to be able to look through them completely before I decide whether to promote or not. I know what my list likes and I won't promote crap to them. Your coach is likely to be at a much higher level than you and therefore your content is probably going to be a much lower level than theirs and therefore not so useful to their lists.

Why should your coach destroy their list promoting your first crappy product? Once you have something worthwhile then maybe they will want to promote.

I think you are trying to be too forceful when getting JV partners on board. I know when I receive messages from people saying "Do you want to JV" I generally just ignore them. I want to know who someone is before building a business relationship with them!

My suggestion to you is to try and build a relationship with these people rather than just hitting them with "do you want to JV with me"

I'm sure you will have a retoric for this as well as you seem to have an answer for what everyone has said here. I'm not really sure why you are ranting if you are making 20-30K a month! You are obviously less than happy with life and need this forum to vent! My other suggestion is to find what is really making you unhappy and remove that from your life. This way you won't need to vent in here and then spend time defending your rant!

Hope that helps...