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Unread 2nd March 2011, 09:30 AM   #1
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Default Is Clickbank taking actions on serial refunders?

I am asking because I see no CB policy against serial refunders. Is there any case that a serial refunder has been blocked or his paypal gets blacklisted?



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In a word: Yes

Serial refunding is a form of fraud. ClickBank insiders told me at clickbanmastersusa that they aggressively go after fraud.

I don't think they can do anything to the paypal account, but paypal has it's own dangers if you run any meaningful volume.

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You can notify them of anyone doing this and they will happily investigate.
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Clickbank simply stops a person who requests too many refunds from purchasing. I don't know how they identify the person - whether it's by credit card details, address or some other factor/s.

In some cases it might be thought of as fraud but my experience of the quality of many Clickbank products is that it is little wonder that there are so many refund requests.

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Default Re: Is Clickbank taking actions on serial refunders?

To identify a serial refunder I think is easy for them, especially if that person uses the same paypal or credit card in most of his transactions. I spoken to someone here before saying he requested around 5 to 10 refund almost every day... shocking revelation! I stopped discussing with him then....



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I am asking because I see no CB policy against serial refunders. Is there any case that a serial refunder has been blocked or his paypal gets blacklisted?
I'm sure they do, but if you use DL Guard, you can always take action yourself.
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I'm sure they do, but if you use DL Guard, you can always take action yourself.
Hmmm, can you explain a little bit? I am not using DL guard and my product is PDF with a short video. It is not controlled by some activation code or something.... thanks



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Default Re: Is Clickbank taking actions on serial refunders?

Clickbank told me they did take action, but I've yet to see any proof.

Now where possible if the refunder doesn't have a valid reason then i refund and then blacklist. There are obviously times when people do have a valid reason and i'll sometimes go out of my way to help.

I love the refunders who tell me they "know everything" in the course but when questioned actually haven't made any money

However I know that Karma drives a big truck and it's got faulty brakes

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In some cases it might be thought of as fraud but my experience of the quality of many Clickbank products is that it is little wonder that there are so many refund requests.

I couldn't agree more. I think 80% of the products they are offer are pure crap. I'm diabetic, so when I saw an ebook they offer that claims they can cure diabetes, it left a real bad taste in my mouth. It doesn't seem there's any sort of screening process for the products submitted to Clickbank.
Of course some buyers do seem to be unbelievably gullible....

Just my two cents..

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I'm sure they do, but if you use DL Guard, you can always take action yourself.
What do you mean you can take action yourself?

I don't remember seeing a ban function in DL guard...not to mention that DL Guard kicks in AFTER payment is received? How could it prevent a purchase?

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I report them and clickbank has banned every one on the spot.

Sometimes I report people who buy my ebook with an affilliate link and refund it within an hour, then never send another hop to my site.

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I know that Karma drives a big truck and it's got faulty brakes
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Clickbank told me they did take action, but I've yet to see any proof.
I also haven't seen proof, but I do believe them on this point, myself: it would make no sense for them not to. Not doing so would cost them money, as well as great inconvenience.

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I was so ****ed a couple of days ago, someone made me $150 commission on Seolinkvine. Refunded two days later.

Of course, there is no way on earth to evaluate a blog network in 2 days and come to a conclusion its not worth the money.

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What do you mean you can take action yourself?

I don't remember seeing a ban function in DL guard...not to mention that DL Guard kicks in AFTER payment is received? How could it prevent a purchase?

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That feature is available to you in DLG...look for it, it's there...

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lol well I'll be damned, I logged into my old installation of DLG and there it is!

I wonder how it works tho? Technically payment would still go through paypal -- they just get denied access to the download? (and then you'd just have to refund their payment?)

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How can serial refunding me a form of fraud?

Has it occured to you that maybe the sales pages are so full of hype and ouright lies that when the buyer gets his or her product they're extremely disappointed and request a refund?

And then they buy the next product hoping it will be better..and so on?

The seller is the one commiting fraud, not the one refunding.
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I couldn't agree more. I think 80% of the products they are offer are pure crap. I'm diabetic, so when I saw an ebook they offer that claims they can cure diabetes, it left a real bad taste in my mouth. It doesn't seem there's any sort of screening process for the products submitted to Clickbank.
Of course some buyers do seem to be unbelievably gullible....

Just my two cents..

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I don't think buyers are gullible, clickbank buyers anyways. I think they know they can request a refund if the product sucks, so they purchase it and give it a shot.

If these sellers were selling the product on their own site, without clickbank guarantees, they wouldn't have nearly as many sales. Clickbank's easy return policy helps them....unless their product is total garbage.


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I was so ****ed a couple of days ago, someone made me $150 commission on Seolinkvine. Refunded two days later.

Of course, there is no way on earth to evaluate a blog network in 2 days and come to a conclusion its not worth the money.
Dude, are you kidding me??????

That's not getting ripped off. Someone tried a link network, didn't like the looks of it, and asked for a refund. Immediately after they asked for the refund, they were banned from the network.

Just because you lost a commission, it doesn't mean the buyer is ripping anyone off. There was a guarantee and they exercised it. End of story.
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Their policy regarding serial refunders is actually very clearly outlined on their site:

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If these sellers were selling the product on their own site, without clickbank guarantees, they wouldn't have nearly as many sales. Clickbank's easy return policy helps them....unless their product is total garbage.
Really? You'd perhaps be surprised how many emails I routinely get from people on my lists saying "Please can I buy this from you directly, instead of through these 'Clickbank' people I've never heard of?" (And sometimes even saying "... and hadn't heard of but now see online have such a questionable reputation").

Some vendors would sell more copies without Clickbank's imprimatur on their sales and/or order-page. But they wouldn't get Clickbank's other facilities, of course - the affiliate network, payment processing, and all the other things for which they're paying their 9% transaction charges.

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From memory, I have purchased 3 products(Maybe 4) over the last couple of years and refunded every single one of them. Does that make me a serial refunder?

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Hmmm, can you explain a little bit? I am not using DL guard and my product is PDF with a short video. It is not controlled by some activation code or something.... thanks
In DLGuard....it's done via email and IP address.

Here's the sales page for the product:

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What do you mean you can take action yourself?

I don't remember seeing a ban function in DL guard...not to mention that DL Guard kicks in AFTER payment is received? How could it prevent a purchase?

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There is a ban fuction in DL Guard, and it's been there all along.

The idea is to ban them after they refund, so they don't purchase any of your other products....if you are so inclined.

Look around, you'll find it.
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Really? You'd perhaps be surprised how many emails I routinely get from people on my lists saying "Please can I buy this from you directly, instead of through these 'Clickbank' people I've never heard of?" (And sometimes even saying "... and hadn't heard of but now see online have such a questionable reputation").

Some vendors would sell more copies without Clickbank's imprimatur on their sales and/or order-page. But they wouldn't get Clickbank's other facilities, of course - the affiliate network, payment processing, and all the other things for which they're paying their 9% transaction charges.
You're right. It makes total sense that people would ask to buy from an individual they don't know over a large well-known company. I'm sure that happens all the time. :rolleyes:

If you don't Clickbank's policies, then just leave them. If you feel you're getting less by participating in Clickbank's network, then you should leave.
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Clickbank simply stops a person who requests too many refunds from purchasing. I don't know how they identify the person - whether it's by credit card details, address or some other factor/s.

In some cases it might be thought of as fraud but my experience of the quality of many Clickbank products is that it is little wonder that there are so many refund requests.

More than likely ip tracking, when i first came accross clickbank way way back i remember thinking how easy it would be to simply buy loads of products and then get a refund, thats why i was put off selling products there and only have 2 on there.

Click banks a great help and automates everything, but if you have a high
quality product and no how to get the traffic just sell it on its own.

There are still way to many refunds on clickbank and they dont seem to do as much as they should about this, in my opinion its to easy to be scammed by these serial refunders 60 day money back guarantee is something i doubt they will ever budge with since its became some what of a trade mark to them.
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There is a ban fuction in DL Guard, and it's been there all along.

The idea is to ban them after they refund, so they don't purchase any of your other products....if you are so inclined.

Look around, you'll find it.

Yea dlguard has an ip banning feature, go to your import export customers list and the options there.
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How can serial refunding me a form of fraud?

Has it occured to you that maybe the sales pages are so full of hype and ouright lies that when the buyer gets his or her product they're extremely disappointed and request a refund?

And then they buy the next product hoping it will be better..and so on?

The seller is the one commiting fraud, not the one refunding.
I have to agree with this there are so many garbage over the top hyped up products on clickbank that have fraud written all over them, so you have to wonder how the hell some of these products even get approved.

Then again you pay $37 for a system that guarantees riches and expect to do no work, that just sounds like a gullable buyer to me.
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I know there are many people who just love to refund the product, and after getting a fun they just share it at various sharing sites (I just don't want to name those)

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Yea dlguard has an ip banning feature, go to your import export customers list and the options there.
This does not make sense because I don't think a refunder would try to request the same product from the same seller again...



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You're right. It makes total sense that people would ask to buy from an individual they don't know over a large well-known company. I'm sure that happens all the time. :rolleyes:

If you don't Clickbank's policies, then just leave them. If you feel you're getting less by participating in Clickbank's network, then you should leave.
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Do you honestly think the average potential customer (outside of the IM / make money online niche) has heard of Clickbank - much less know who the heck they are, how big they are, or what they do?

Think like a customer - not like a marketer.

And then think about who it is who's been sending them free, valuable content via email on a regular basis for the past X days/weeks/months - gradually building trust and recognition. Hint: it isn't Clickbank.

It doesn't take a wild stretch of the imagination to understand why some customers would rather send a payment directly to an affiliate/vendor, rather than some company they've never before dealt with, barely/never heard of or from, and know exactly zilch about.

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I was so ****ed a couple of days ago, someone made me $150 commission on Seolinkvine. Refunded two days later.

Of course, there is no way on earth to evaluate a blog network in 2 days and come to a conclusion its not worth the money.
Ever heard of buyer's remorse?

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You're right. It makes total sense that people would ask to buy from an individual they don't know over a large well-known company. I'm sure that happens all the time. :rolleyes:
Clickbank a major well known processor? bwahahahahahaahaha

I am willing to hazard a bet that I could walk down the main shopping strip where I live and ask 100 people if they know what Clickbank is and they won't.

Odds are at least 1 should know right?

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I have bought dozens of CB products, but request refund for few.

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Clickbank is known only to people like us and I think that comprises as little as 05% of total Internet Users - or even lower.



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How can serial refunding me a form of fraud?

Has it occured to you that maybe the sales pages are so full of hype and ouright lies that when the buyer gets his or her product they're extremely disappointed and request a refund?

And then they buy the next product hoping it will be better..and so on?

The seller is the one commiting fraud, not the one refunding.
This is probably one of the main reasons why Clickbank maintains such a generous refund policy. While such a refund policy may result in more refunds, it is also typically balanced out by many more buyers who would not have bought had it not been for Clickbank's liberal refund policy.

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In regard to over-hyped sales letters: I recently purchased a product with a really enticing sales letter and refunded the next day. The kicker was that it was blind sales copy, and the only way to find out what the heck was being sold was to buy the product. If I had known what it was I never would have purchased it.

I will admit it was not an especially well thought out purchase. I was tired and acting impulsively, but even in that mental state I never would have purchased if there had not been a well publicized "no questions asked" guarantee right above the buy button.

In that case the return policy had the hoped for result.

All that said, I am not a serial refunder, but I'm guessing they are a cost of doing business.
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Dave,

Do you honestly think the average potential customer (outside of the IM / make money online niche) has heard of Clickbank - much less know who the heck they are, how big they are, or what they do?

Think like a customer - not like a marketer.

And then think about who it is who's been sending them free, valuable content via email on a regular basis for the past X days/weeks/months - gradually building trust and recognition. Hint: it isn't Clickbank.

It doesn't take a wild stretch of the imagination to understand why some customers would rather send a payment directly to an affiliate/vendor, rather than some company they've never before dealt with, barely/never heard of or from, and know exactly zilch about.
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Clickbank a major well known processor? bwahahahahahaahaha

I am willing to hazard a bet that I could walk down the main shopping strip where I live and ask 100 people if they know what Clickbank is and they won't.

Odds are at least 1 should know right?

Chris

Both of you go back and read my post. People aren't stupid. They may not have heard of Clickbank, but just a look at the site and the signals are there that you are dealing with a relatively large site.

But the point wasn't even about Clickbank or how trustworthy it is/isn't. The post was in response to Alexa's claim. Sorry, I find it hard to believe that someone concerned about security would NOT want to buy from Clickbank, but they're ok buying directly from Alexa. And that this happens "routinely"? Seriously?

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From memory, I have purchased 3 products(Maybe 4) over the last couple of years and refunded every single one of them. Does that make me a serial refunder?

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No it makes you someone who wants value for his money and clickbank is obviously not offering value with there crappy products. I requested a refund myself as well for a product I thought might be okay but obviously it was not.

Purchasing 3-4 products and refunding each of them does make you a little naief though I am 99% sure I won't order a clickbank product again, I thought about promoting them but it go's against my moral, while my moral isn't of that high standards btw, so imagine lol
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That's not a knock on her or her site.
Curious - I'd have thought that actually that's exactly what it is. You listed one of my one-page sites to compare (adversely, as you made clear you see it) with something else. If that isn't a precisely "a knock on my site", what was it? Just entirely randomized unprofessional/insulting behavior purely for its own sake, perhaps?

As will already be obvious to the others who were openly laughing at your earlier post above, you're completely missing the point: the reason those people would prefer to buy directly from me rather than through an outfit they've never heard of and/or quickly find negative information about is the relationship I've built with them through my autoresponder series, not their impression of a one-page site. :rolleyes:

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I find it hard to believe that someone concerned about security would NOT want to buy from Clickbank, but they're ok buying directly from Alexa.
Gee, thanks very much for the compliment. And have a nice day yourself, too.

One of two things (albeit both pretty difficult to believe?) appears to follow from that "conclusion": either I'm an outright liar or you understand even less about what you're talking about than was immediately apparent.

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Here's an idea, maybe someone needs to provide an alternative to Clickbank and review every product that is submitted before putting it out for sale. Make the site trusted for having good products.
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Yes, i agree that serial refunder must be taken action.

It's not fair to them who sell their product honestly in clickbank.

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Just entirely randomized unprofessional/insulting behavior purely for its own sake, perhaps?

As will already be obvious to the others who were openly laughing at your earlier post above,
Is returning one perceived insult with one of your own actually the best way to get your point across?
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Both of you go back and read my post. People aren't stupid. They may not have heard of Clickbank, but just a look at the site and the signals are there that you are dealing with a relatively large site.

But the point wasn't even about Clickbank or how trustworthy it is/isn't. The post was in response to Alexa's claim. Sorry, I find it hard to believe that someone concerned about security would NOT want to buy from Clickbank, but they're ok buying directly from Alexa. And that this happens "routinely"? Seriously?

That's not a knock on her or her site. But you don't feel comfortable with this site?

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Chill out dude

It's actually true, in niches where Clickbank isn't well known many people do want to buy through PayPal etc directly from the person sending the e-mails whom they feel comfortable with.

I've experienced this many times.

Regarding your earlier post about getting more sales with Clickbank because of their guarantee, I've tested PayPal v Clickbank many times and PayPal has always generated more sales regardless of the niche.

I've tested this about a dozen times, and not once has Clickbank generated more sales.

I'm not saying selling via PayPal without Clickbank's guarantee will always convert better than Clickbank, the 10 to 15 tests I've done isn't enough evidence.

Another thing I should add is I provided conditional guarantees when selling through PayPal, if buyers don't get certain results then they are entitled to a refund.

When testing PayPal + conditional guarantee v Clickbank + 8 week guarantee, the former always came out on top.

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Beyond a shadow of a doubt, I'd feel more comfortable purchasing from the former site rather than the latter. For one thing, I can read the terms of service for a potential purchase there.
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Beyond a shadow of a doubt, I'd feel more comfortable purchasing from the former site rather than the latter.
There isn't a choice, Alexander. One site isn't a site from which one can buy. Dave was not comparing like with like - just trying to make a cheap, irrelevant and critical point at another marketer's expense. :rolleyes:

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Chill out dude

It's actually true, in niches where Clickbank isn't well known many people do want to buy through PayPal etc directly from the person sending the e-mails whom they feel comfortable with.

I've experienced this many times.

Regarding your earlier post about getting more sales with Clickbank because of their guarantee, I've tested PayPal v Clickbank many times and PayPal has always generated more sales regardless of the niche.

I've tested this about a dozen times, and not once has Clickbank generated more sales.

I'm not saying selling via PayPal without Clickbank's guarantee will always convert better than Clickbank, the 10 to 15 tests I've done isn't enough evidence.

Another thing I should add is I provided conditional guarantees when selling through PayPal, if buyers don't get certain results then they are entitled to a refund.

When testing PayPal + conditional guarantee v Clickbank + 8 week guarantee, the former always came out on top.
Ah yes. The old "Let's end the argument because I've tested this multiple times" excuse. That IS ALWAYS an old standby.

My argument really had nothing to do with Alexa's site. It could've been anyone's site. The idea that people uncomfortable with ClickBank would be comfortable with some random person's site is kinda funny. Regardless of whether or not they signed up for an autoresponder series.

So....Clickbank (with it's Press, Executive Bios, Terms of Service, Blog, & Security Seals) looks a little fly by night. But ABC Site looks ok because the owner sent me a few emails through an autoresponder.

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There isn't a choice, Alexander. One site isn't a site from which one can buy. Dave was not comparing like with like - just trying to make a cheap, irrelevant and critical point at another marketer's expense. :rolleyes:
Like I said, it has nothing to do with your site. Take ANY site from the warriorforum.com, digitalpoint, etc and put them against Clickbank. Clickbank would win the Trustworthy test to an unsuspecting visitor every time.
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For one thing, I can read the terms of service for a potential purchase there.
Given that she's not selling and taking payments directly through her own site right now, she doesn't need to have published the same policies as what Clickbank and others do, who actually handle the payments, and with whom the the customer engages in the contract of sale.

This is why Dave was wrong to try comparing Alexa's site with Clickbank's to "prove his point".

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Like I said, it has nothing to do with your site.
That isn't remotely "like you said". In fact you said exactly the opposite of that.

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That isn't remotely "like you said". In fact you said exactly the opposite of that.
Actually, in the post above that I said that it had nothing to do with your site.
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Given that she's not selling and taking payments directly through her own site right now, she doesn't need to have published the same policies as what Clickbank and others do, who actually handle the payments, and with whom the the customer engages in the contract of sale.

This is why Dave was wrong to try comparing Alexa's site with Clickbank's to "prove his point".
No, I wasn't wrong at all. Because if she did (or anyone for that matter) post the page where they accepted payments, I'm quite sure that Clickbank would win the trustworthiness blind test.
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