EzineArticles Rejects God, Abraham Lincoln, etc.

tpw

13 years ago

LOL

Your subject line made it sound like they are a bunch of god-hating cretins...

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bretski 13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

LOL

Your subject line made it sound like they are a bunch of god-hating cretins...

They're the debil, I tell ya!

Funny thread though!
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- Chri5123 13 years ago
  
  Please tell me that the "God, The 10 Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17)" wasn't flagged with "Not enough unique and informative content!"
  
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InternetSuccess001 13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

LOL

Your subject line made it sound like they are a bunch of god-hating cretins...

he's a marketer... wants to write an 'attention grabbing' headline...
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- tpw 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001
  
  he's a marketer... wants to write an 'attention grabbing' headline...
  
  Oh, I know...
  
  I don't fault him for it... I have certainly been known to take liberty with my subject lines for the same reasons also... :p
  
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TimG 13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

LOL

Your subject line made it sound like they are a bunch of god-hating cretins...

I thought he was going to say that his account had just been suspended and that his subject line was the start of his rant.

Heard some rumblings that people are seeing their accounts suspended at EZA now.....that appears to be another quality control method they are employing.

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kindsvater

13 years ago

Also - many of us with business degrees are trained to keep word counts to a minimum. To hack and slash unnecessary words.

Is "quality" reflected by increasing word counts? Or by decreasing words? Personally, I think neither by itself is the key.

Maybe EZA should hire English teachers wanting to moonlight for extra cash.

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

Also - many of us with business degrees are trained to keep word counts to a minimum. To hack and slash unnecessary words.

Is "quality" reflected by increasing word counts? Or by decreasing words? Personally, I think neither by itself is the key.

Maybe EZA should hire English teachers wanting to moonlight for extra cash.

You know how it is when someone takes a knee-jerk reaction to bad news...

They often toss the baby with the bath water, because it is easier to count words than to rely on a bunch of trained monkeys to observe quality...

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Martin Luxton 13 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

Maybe EZA should hire English teachers wanting to moonlight for extra cash.

TEFL teachers targeting IELTS and TOEFL exams focus on a target of 250 words so they'd all have to be retrained.

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Black Hat Cat

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

Also - many of us with business degrees are trained to keep word counts to a minimum. To hack and slash unnecessary words.

Is "quality" reflected by increasing word counts? Or by decreasing words? Personally, I think neither by itself is the key.

Maybe EZA should hire English teachers wanting to moonlight for extra cash.

Well, it's not like EA doesn't have a history of making stupid decisions. I think it's a requirement over there.

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Alan Petersen

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

Also - many of us with business degrees are trained to keep word counts to a minimum. To hack and slash unnecessary words.

Is "quality" reflected by increasing word counts? Or by decreasing words? Personally, I think neither by itself is the key.

Maybe EZA should hire English teachers wanting to moonlight for extra cash.

Yep, William Strunk is rolling over in his grave.

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zac2 Banned 13 years ago

I emailed God telling him about this. Here's my email and his reply.

Hey God!

Apparently Ezinearticles doesn't think your ten commandments contain enough words and aren't considered quality content. What are your thoughts on this?

Zach

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Hi Zach,

Thank you for your email. I'm in the process of revising my ten commandments so they meet the new Ezinearticles guidelines.

Regards,

God
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JordanFrancis

13 years ago

I'm confident I could take 80% of the 400 word articles on EZA, and convey every detail more clearly in 250 words.

Implementing a 400 word minimum rule as a means to raise quality is idiotic. All it does is raise the number of words, not the quality (said with my Captain obvious hat on.)

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Caleb Spilchen

13 years ago

They prefer quantity of words, over quality... {Or maybe there just trying to have a better word:ad ratio...}

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Mike Hlatky

13 years ago

The Gettysburg Address was overrated anyway.

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Bill Farnham 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Hlatky

The Gettysburg Address was overrated anyway.

You had to be there...
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- Mike Hlatky 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Bill Farnham
  
  You had to be there...
  
  I was. Feels like only 4 score and 7 years ago..........
  
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rising_sun

Banned 13 years ago

Actually I did not get the point exactly that he denoting; but yeah EZA "quality matters", which means a 400 word count minimum. Therefore the condition allows to reject the articles bellow 400 words.

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Mike McAleer

13 years ago

I guess it is more that they want quantity than they want quality

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seasoned

13 years ago

Yeah, quantity often DOESN'T mean quality. It is like those comedies where a teacher asks for 1000 words, and the student writes something inane, and often repetitive, to get to 1000 words.

HECK, as shakespeare said, "Brevity is the soul of wit". After all, if you wanted me to give you info on almost any subject, I could probably find a few million words and thousands of thousands of pages, but you probably wouldn't like it and would likely find it worthless. A short, honest, and direct text would be best.

Steve

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x3xsolxdierx3x

13 years ago

Yes, this is why site's SHOULD have human editorial/quality control processes in place.

Wow...my opinion seems to be different than most opinions in this thread so far...

I personally think longer articles should be incentivized.

Which do you think are more prone to abuse, long or short articles?

Even if they are abusing, longer articles still require more time and effort to create...plus, with a viable human quality control process, these articles can be weeded out easily.

How many of those short article writers do you really think are producing content comparable to God or Abraham Lincoln?

One is MORE prone to abuse, IMHO.

Originally Posted by seasoned

Yeah, quantity often DOESN'T mean quality. It is like those comedies where a teacher asks for 1000 words, and the student writes something inane, and often repetitive, to get to 1000 words.

HECK, as shakespeare said, "Brevity is the soul of wit". After all, if you wanted me to give you info on almost any subject, I could probably find a few million words and thousands of thousands of pages, but you probably wouldn't like it and would likely find it worthless. A short, honest, and direct text would be best.

Steve

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BrianTubbs 13 years ago

Very clever headline. :-) And I agree with the point. EZA's 400 word minimum requirement, in NO way, assures quality. Lincoln's Gettysburg Address was about 2-3 minutes, whereas the main speaker that day spoke for 2 hours. And only history geeks like me know who that main speaker was. :-) Everyone remember Lincoln.

p.s. Oh, the main Gettysburg dedication speaker was Edward Everett. :-)
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Fraggler 13 years ago

Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x

Which do you think are more prone to abuse, long or short articles?

I agree. Surely there will be some 'fasle negatives' but if they are struggling with resources then boosting the word count is probably the simplest way to cut out a lot of the rot.

If they spend less time focusing on the pile that is more than likely bad, and more time on the pile that is more than likely good, surely the end result will be more quality articles approved quicker.

I doubt they are out there to produce an adward winning resource. They are after AdSense clicks so have to do the least amount of work to keep their traffic source flowing.
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tpw 13 years ago

Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x

Which do you think are more prone to abuse, long or short articles?

One is MORE prone to abuse, IMHO.

Definitely, the shorter is more prone to abuse...

And yet some of the best writers on the planet write short articles...

Tough choice...

Improving quality means weeding out the trash content...

And to keep from throwing the baby out with the bath water, they will need to teach their editors to scan for comprehension, before making a decision on the validity of an article.
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- merlincat 13 years ago
  
  Maybe God could apply for Diamond Author status!
  
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  Ernie Mitchell 13 years ago
  
  I don't care for EZA's new 400 minimum word rule nor for all the chatter about having to write longer articles --- like in the 800 to 1,00 word range to be competitive. :confused:
  
  I predict with everybody writing longer articles the price of font will go sky high!
  
  This afternoon I ran out of dots for the "J"s and crosses for the "T"s and had to drive all over town to find a font store that sold both. I got home only to discover that I had mistakenly purchased dots for "I"s instead of "j"s (the two don't interchange) and had to go back and search for more dots! They are already expensive enough.
  
  Brace yourself for higher prices and possibly even a world wide font shortage when everybody starts writing longer articles
  
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Rach72

13 years ago

Yup - like we were all taught.

Make your 3 or 5 points (cause that's what the punter likes - odd numbered lists) and fluff the rest

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Michelle Strait

13 years ago

When did EZA make this change? I admit it's been a loooong time since I read the guidelines. The last time I looked the minimum word requirement was 250 words.

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TimG

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michelle Strait

When did EZA make this change? I admit it's been a loooong time since I read the guidelines. The last time I looked the minimum word requirement was 250 words.

They made that change about a week ago following the recent Google algortithm change which hurt EZA's search engine rankings.

Head over to their blog as there are several updates that explain everything in more detail.

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clever7

13 years ago

Forgive me for disagreeing, but the truth is that only an excellent writer is able to write a substantial 250 words article, or even a substantial 400 – 500 words article.

250 words articles are merely an introduction to the subject.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by clever7

Forgive me for disagreeing, but the truth is that only an excellent writer is able to write a substantial 250 words article, or even a substantial 400 - 500 words article.

250 words articles are merely an introduction to the subject.

Actually, they're an introduction to the link in the resource box.

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jamesrich1

13 years ago

I never have a problem getting articles approved at Ezine. They sometimes approve them same day or at most 1-2 days. What doesn't get you approved is bad grammar, not delivering what you promised in the title, or spelling. Which one have you had problems with?

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terrapurus

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

For EZA "quality matters", which means a 400 word count minimum.

Rejects:

God, The 10 Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17): about 315 words.

It just sounds as though EZA is rejecting fiction.

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iStealSushi

13 years ago

I know this is a joke thread but didn't the changes list say that certain users who have proven to dish out quality articles get special exemptions to write shorter articles?

I think Honest Abe would fit that criteria

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Terry Hatfield

13 years ago

Hi,

I don't see the problem.

Add 2 or 3 new commandments to the 10 that is there and resubmit to EZA.
And can't you add some filler words like (the, a, and) to Lincoln's speech?

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Michael Mayo

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Terry Hatfield

Hi,

I don't see the problem.

Add 2 or 3 new commandments to the 10 that is there and resubmit to EZA.
And can't you add some filler words like (the, a, and) to Lincoln's speech?

I like George's ideal of shorting the 10 Commandments better...lol

YouTube - George Carlin on the Ten Commandments

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Anup Mahajan

13 years ago

LOL that was so funny..Now even God can't publish his content on EZA

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profitsforall

13 years ago

You know, every bible I've ever seen has never had God as the author.

I'm pretty sure his writing career ended after chiselling 10 stone tablets - after that I believe all his writing was outsourced....

Besides, he preferred multimedia presentations like burning bushes, angels of death and parting of seas.

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eppingvonryan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by profitsforall

You know, every bible I've ever seen has never had God as the author.

I'm pretty sure his writing career ended after chiselling 10 stone tablets - after that I believe all his writing was outsourced....

Besides, he preferred multimedia presentations like burning bushes, angels of death and parting of seas.

I think that was Moses on the chisel there!! he was taking dictation i think!!!

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lacraiger

13 years ago

thats funny...

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Peter Gehr

13 years ago

God and Lincoln weren't writing for approval.

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ratracegrad

13 years ago

Ezinearticles would approve the 3rd version of the 10 commandments which starts with "Remember the feast of the unleaven bread." Exodus 34.

Ezinearticles would accept the "squeeze page" version if you were selling copies of the Gettysburg Address.

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totalprocessing.net

13 years ago

It would seem to me that the more words in an article the less it will be read. Time is a big factore in what I read. I prefer stuff that gets to the point quickly.

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x3xsolxdierx3x

13 years ago

Here's the thing though...

If you write a long article AND it's of high quality, people will naturally stay on site longer...leading to a low bounce rate...

As far as I can see, Google sees value in a site that can keep people around longer.

Of course, there are a million and one "grey areas". What if people click a interesting Google Ad on a long article and leave after 10 seconds, rather than staying for 20 minutes to read the entire article?

...and, just people stay to read an article for 20 minutes because its long and its engaging, does that necessarily mean that it is accurate?

As mentioned before, I do think that shorter articles are more inclined to be abused.

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TimG

13 years ago

Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x

Here's the thing though...

If you write a long article AND it's of high quality, people will naturally stay on site longer...leading to a low bounce rate...

As far as I can see, Google sees value in a site that can keep people around longer.

Of course, there are a million and one "grey areas". What if people click a interesting Google Ad on a long article and leave after 10 seconds, rather than staying for 20 minutes to read the entire article?

...and, just people stay to read an article for 20 minutes because its long and its engaging, does that necessarily mean that it is accurate?

As mentioned before, I do think that shorter articles are more inclined to be abused.

Howie,
That's a great point. Today I read a blog posting by Jim Morris over at his NicheBot blog that was very long, very informative and extremely valuable concerning Google's "Farmer" update.

It kept me on his site for a good amount of time and the content was so engaging I didn't even notice anything else on his blog.

In my opinion, that is what the perfect article for syndication would look like because it did it's job by providing value and keeping me engaged.

If you have a chance to see the article there is also a lot of comments on his blog which means folks are reading his stuf and than taking the time to actually comment on it.

These comments are not the garbage spam comments but well thought out postings which again provides tangible proof in the value of his original post.

I also saw his post mentioned in a private forum so he is also receiving viral activity from it.

That form of proof really validates in my eyes the type of content that should be getting published but unfortunately many marketers are not taking the time to do so in support of their online business.

Here is the link to the article in case you want to see what I am talking about - Google Algorithm Change Shift ‘N Update 2011 – Were you hit by the Farmer?

It is a great read.

Respectfully,
Tim

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zac2

Banned 13 years ago

If EZA want to improve things the first thing they need to do is stop making their directory looking like a MFA site.

There's ads everywhere you look.

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tremayne

13 years ago

Oh well! I'm long-winded anyhow!

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