They opt in after 6 pages, but don't open the emails?

Did you offer a freebie at the end?

Your actual open rates will be higher than the 6% figure
quoted because some people don't allow the open tracking
images to be activated in their e-mail client.

However...

If your open rates are low, here's a few things to look at:

1. Subject Line

Are you using subject lines that make people want to open
your e-mails and see what's inside?

2. Reputation

Have you established your reputation and authority so that
people actually want to listen to what you have to say and
read your e-mails?

3. Relevance of Content and Offers

Make sure that you deliver relevant content and offers inside
so that people are not disappointed when they do open your
e-mails.

Dedicated to mutual success,

Shaun

I'm finding alot of marketers experiencing similar results or generally getting less than 10% clickthrus. I'm beginning to believe it is a result of one being subscribed to too many sites etc or getting too many emails in their inbox making their attention span even shorter to messages recieved.

I also agree with Shaun above these results could be due to those 3 points he made.

@Mike

Yeah. I offer a free report at the end. The weird thing is that they do OPT-IN.
Just don't open the emails. Even the first one.

Isn't it strange?

I mean, why would they opt in if they don't want the report?

Bah. I'm freakin cluless here!

@shaun

Thanks for checkin in bro.

Yeah I took that into account.
But 6% is freakin low even with it!

The subject lines (in my opinion) are enticing.

That's debatable.

But.

The fact is. I give them 6 pages of pure content.

Then I say:

Ok. You want more?

Put your email in this form. Get the rest of the story + the free report.

After they opt in I send them instructions on how to open
the email, how it looks like.

All that with a photoshop thingie with arrows and stuff.

Thanks for the help guys!

Still wondering...

Anymore ideas anyone?

Let's get to the bottom of this!@

How do you know that they aren't opening the emails?

Tracking devices to determine open rates don't work very often (as Mike stated earlier) with current/popular email configurations.

If you use a download link for the report you are giving away in the email instead of attaching it to the email, that would be easier to track and you could confirm your theory.

@Matt
Kodus for the link, bro.
I just started at this niche so reputation will take a while to establish

The ones who DO read my stuff, say it's awesome. So I got that going on for me

@VegasGreg
The report is not attached
it's a link

I just bought conversion prophet 2.
Heard it's the best in the industry.

Will install it soon.

Thanks for the tip!

Anyone else?

Aweber has good tracking. Its your subject lines and credibility with the people. You haven't really helped them is how they feel. Plus the combination of inboxes having literally thousands of notes. Building the list is great but it needs to be a bigger and bigger list or you really are going to have to over deliver on really helping the people to keep them engaged.

Eventually, It all boils down to the fact that marketing (emails and all) is a game of numbers

@James
I use aweber. Always has.

I don't want a big-no-relationship-mega-list like the "gurus" have.

I want a tight crowd. People who know, like, and trust me.

Maybe I'll switch to a low-barrier entry.

Like a 7$ manifesto or something to enter.

I'll test this for another week or so before I'll switch.

Will update here with the results.

Thanks bro.

Anyone else?
Does anyone actually got in my site?

masteronlinedating.com

Thanks yall!

Even the largest email marketing firms on Earth, who provide millions of emails daily across the entire spectrum of niches and demographic targets barely achieve 10%.

In IM you have a lot of so-called "gurus" lecturing you on what your open rate "should" be. But in reality even with a perfectly crafted headline you'll be lucky to get over that figure reliably.

Also, the open-rate is notoriously difficult to actually track even with fantastic tech, Aweber and GetResponse certainly do their best but it's a losing game to focus too much on it.

Instead focus on your actual clicks, which really is the point of the entire campaign (and is more accurate in tracking). If it's a more crowded evergreen niche like IM, Dating/Seduction, Weight-Loss, etc, I try to maintain a CTR of 5%, which is 5% of the total emails sent versus clicked.

So if 20,000 emails went out that day, I expect to see around 1,000 clicks in total.

The open rate will vary, play with your headlines as others have suggested, but again it's the clicks that I prize as that data is extremely accurate.

@Craig

anyone who opens the emails click the link.

My open/click ratio is 100%

But 5% it's freakin low man.

I aspire way higher

The way you have the site set up where they keep clicking from page to page, by the time they get to the last page a lot of these people are probably entering their email just because of the smaller commitments they have already made on previous pages - not because they actually want to opt in.

There are probably others who are expecting to enter their email and be taken straight to the next page with more free information on it. When they see they need to confirm they cannot be bothered.

I would test putting all the information on one page instead and see what sort of results you get. Also make it clearer around the optin box that the information they receive will be sent to their email address - thus eliminating a lot of the bogus email addresses that get entered.

I would also maybe give away less content before you ask for the optin. You may be giving people enough information before the optin that they don't feel the need to get the rest of your information.

@Willr
They don't need to confirm
It's a single optin

And I ask them loud and clear to put their
best email adress their.

I might split test what you're saying
about putting it all in one page

Thing is,
I like this method of MAKING them
read ALL the content.

Or at least Skim all of it.

But again,
testing is a good option.

Will do that later on.

Thanks bro!

@Adam Aweber forces the person to confirm even if you have the option checked out. I learned this through signing up and testing over periods of time. Do a test by signing up with one of your emails to see if this is true. If you have a way of getting the first message to show without that then I need your help on that.

To get a higher open rate the subject should arouse curiosity along with having an indication that it will be very rewarding and it can be strange or shocking sometimes. You just have to test and its good to do broadcasts to test that.

That is great that you have 100% open rates. I went to your website and wondered what type of conversion rates are you getting with like 5 or 6 steps to email. I have to show the headline, 2-4 bullets and opt in above the fold to get 25% up to 40% on mine.

Its definitely the subject headlines that play the biggest part in open rates for the emails. Credibility and likability next. Do some broadcast tests and arose that curiosity also throwing in some what's in it language to get the people to open. Test, test, test some more.

I went and tested your page. The people do have to confirm because I went to my yahoo mail and looked for your first email. Waited a couple minutes pressing refresh every 30 seconds and still at minute 7 no email with the free gift. Look at your spam feature and redo the follow up and test your email to make it immediate.

Also I see mixed methods with some marketers giving the gift on the thank you page so you avoid people getting disappointed waiting for it or having to switch websites. Also the people that give fake emails will still have the chance to click on affiliate links which is still potential money.

i would say you need a higher volume of people just my 2 cents

@Jamesrich

The spam indicator for my emails is 0.
No reason for that to go into spam. Although you never know these days...

About the single optin,
Aweber don't force you to confirm.

BUT, if you try to sign up from the same ip
more than once or twice,

than you're hit with a confirmation email.
Part of their anti-spam policy.

They don't force you to confirm huh?

Your initial email has still yet to be delivered 20min later, where is my FREE GIFT!? Just playing but that might have something to do why you have low percentage open rate. If you can't fix it then just give them the free gift on the thank you page.

Me and some of my friends signed up for my lists
from several different accounts and didn't got this.

I think it's because your ip is signing up to a lot of aweber forms,
so they "tagged" you or something.

I don't know much about these stuff but I think it's how they work

Thanks for the heads up though

why should they open your emails. Do you mention yourself on the sales page? It could be that they signed up to the site but then start receiving emails from you and aren't sure who you are.

Are you giving them anything free? A course? Tips? Give them a reason to open your messages. Build up a rapport with them so they want to read your messages

Ensure your messages aren't going to spam.

If I am tagged then so many others are. I still havent got your gift and its been almost 40 minutes.

I am a test on a different IP address and you wonder why there is a low open, its because they either #1 Don't know who you are to open email #2 Forget about the email because of delay time I am getting and it gets pushed down the list becoming invisible when it finally gets delivered. #3 Subject title not enticing enough

You should of gave me the gift on the thank you page.

OK

I need to clear something up here.

Although I appreciate any GENERAL list building advice,
it's not what I'm after here.

Please only respond to this thread if you went through my site.

Don't read the whole thing,
but skim quickly through. especially the last two pages.

masteronlinedating.com/however
masteronlinedating.com/insider

Thanks in advance for all the help!

@James
Don't get upset dude.
We're all friends in here

I'm not getting upset I went through your page and have put myself in the position of the visitor. You started this thread to get some help and I am telling you that Aweber forces you to confirm, go test it with yourself.

Also told you that almost 1 hour later no gift. I just opted in to test I don't actually want the gift. Why would you not want people to give you list building skills when your open rate is 6%.

And the last suggestion is that you give the free gift on the thank you page which is what many marketers do with success. Your response was that I was probably tagged with Aweber, and then to suggest that people do not give you list building tips.

I am never upset on here and just trying to learn and help where I can.

Hey Adam,

6% is not a bad conversion rate at all. I know you want to
have 99% or 100% but that's not possible.

Anyway here's my tip.. In your thankyou page try to put a
video explaining clearly why the need the report right now
and what to do.

This can increase your conversion rate a lot.

You have to test different approaches, don't think that the
thankyou page you actually have is the best you can do. It
can be great for you but not for your prospects...

So, go ahead and start testing different things.

Thanks,
^PV Reymond

1. Your subject lines probably suck.

2. Most email clients will display a preview of a message before it's opened, so your content might also suck.

3. Your subscribers clearly do not have any incentive to open your messages. What's in it for them?