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Free WSOs are the way forward

by steveshills
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With so much junk thats being sold online, its great to see fellow warriors giving away wsos to get themselfs noticed, lets face it, most of the products released via clickbank and here at the warrior forum are most of the time rehash junk.

Ok i'm not saying that all products are crap, but what your find is that most methods are already well known about such has bum markietng, you tube methods, website flipping and off course building wordpress affiliate websites.

I read a free wso the other day from go getta, the method was priceless, and i would have payed for this method because it was unique and different that anything that i've seen before.

All i can say to the guys and girls that are writing free ebooks and course's, is keep up the hard work, and when you do sell your first wso that's going to have to be payed for, keep up the quailty, because the days of people buying crap rehased products, and why produce a great freebie, to then realease something of less quailty.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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    Originally Posted by steveshills View Post

    With so much junk thats being sold online, its great to see fellow warriors giving away wsos to get themselfs noticed, lets face it, most of the products released via clickbank and here at the warrior forum are most of the time rehash junk.

    Ok i'm not saying that all products are crap, but what your find is that most methods are already well known about such has bum markietng, you tube methods, website flipping and off course building wordpress affiliate websites.

    I read a free wso the other day from go getta, the method was priceless, and i would have payed for this method because it was unique and different that anything that i've seen before.

    All i can say to the guys and girls that are writing free ebooks and course's, is keep up the hard work, and when you do sell your first wso that's going to have to be payed for, keep up the quailty, because the days of people buying crap rehased products, and why produce a great freebie, to then realease something of less quailty.

    If you are going to give away free wso products, you better have your sales funnel nailed down before doing so.

    Otherwise the person can forget about how great your product was and will be off to another free wso.

    That won't make you any sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

      If you are going to give away free wso products, you better have your sales funnel nailed down before doing that.

      Otherwise the person can forget about how great your product was and will be off to another free wso.

      That won't make you any sales.
      Not necessarily. For someone just starting out they could still build a small list from the free WSO and then promote other WSO's to that same list (as an affiliate through WarriorPlus).
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        Not necessarily. For someone just starting out they could still build a small list from the free WSO and then promote other WSO's to that same list (as an affiliate through WarriorPlus).
        I would consider that a part of a sales funnel, Will.

        Building a list without knowing what you will do with it will just waste your money.

        Waiting too long and people will forget how great you are and unsubscribe when you do attempt to contact them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        Not necessarily. For someone just starting out they could still build a small list from the free WSO and then promote other WSO's to that same list (as an affiliate through WarriorPlus).
        But just how profitable are "freebie seekers"? I mean that ain't gonna convert like a "buyer list". Right? Please enlighten me on that.

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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

          But just how profitable are "freebie seekers"? I mean that ain't gonna convert like a "buyer list". Right? Please enlighten me on that.

          Karan

          Your job is to take the freebie seekers and convert them into buyers. Most of your money will be made from your buyers list.

          That is why I said to have your sales funnel ready before you start giving away stuff.

          The rest of the freebie seekers probably won't buy anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

      If you are going to give away free wso products, you better have your sales funnel nailed down before doing so.

      Otherwise the person can forget about how great your product was and will be off to another free wso.

      That won't make you any sales.
      i agree. If you want to make sales from a free wso you must have a good plan in place.
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  • Profile picture of the author MissLizzie
    Hey Steve - Would definitely echo your view about all of the free WSOs that are cropping up recently. As someone that's fairly new to internet marketing, it's a great way to get an insight into different businesses, niches and ideas without spending huge amounts of money!

    What's more, if you like the free WSOs, you'd probably benefit from joining the War Room too. There's so much great information inside the forum that sometimes it's difficult to leave.
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  • Profile picture of the author Filter
    OK, a bit of a rant here on this subject.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there is some great info out there for newbies in free WSOs, but the whole problem is the reason they are free is to get the sales out of the list, which is where a lot of the newbies get stung - big time.

    And I know personally of a few current programs that are telling their "students" to give away free WSOs on WF to build these list, and then sell their asses off, so to me, it's actually a very worrying phenomenon.

    It wouldn't be so bad if the people giving away these WSOs actually knew what the hell they were talking about, but I'm sorry, the majority are newbies themselves who also have no real idea about IM and have been pulled in by these courses to "sell" free WSOs.

    Sorry for the rant but I personally think this is a very worrying trend.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by Filter View Post

      And I know of at least 6 current programs that are telling their "students" to give away free WSOs on WF to build these list, and then sell there asses off, so to me, it's actually a very worrying phenomenon.

      Hey Stu,

      What is the problem with them selling to their lists?
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      • Profile picture of the author Filter
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        Hey Stu,

        What is the problem with them selling to their lists?

        I've absolutley no problem with people selling to their lists, that's what they're there for. I guess I have a moral and ethical problem of newbies trying to sell newbies on things they have no idea about in IM. But I guess that's each to their own. I sleep just fine at night, hope they do too.
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        • Profile picture of the author WillR
          Originally Posted by Filter View Post

          I've absolutley no problem with people selling to their lists, that's what they're there for. I guess I have a moral and ethical problem of newbies trying to sell newbies on things they have no idea about in IM. But I guess that's each to their own. I sleep just fine at night, hope they do too.
          IMO it doesn't take long to realize that the person whose list you are on does not really know what they are talking about... it's happened to me several times. I just unsubscribe and move on.

          But I do hear what you are saying.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by WillR View Post

            IMO it doesn't take long to realize that the person whose list you are on does not really know what they are talking about... it's happened to me several times. I just unsubscribe and move on. But I do hear what you are saying.

            So that is why you unsubscribed from my list.
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          • Profile picture of the author Filter
            Originally Posted by WillR View Post

            IMO it doesn't take long to realize that the person whose list you are on does not really know what they are talking about... it's happened to me several times. I just unsubscribe and move on. But I do hear what you are saying.
            Totally agree Will, but think back to when you were fresh and new and not on too many lists. Basically anything your new "guru" tells you is gold!

            I just hear too many sob stories every day of people who have been ripped off to the tune of $1000+ that it's really starting to pi$$ me off beyond belief.
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            • Profile picture of the author WillR
              Originally Posted by Filter View Post

              I just hear too many sob stories every day of people who have been ripped off to the tune of $1000+ that it's really starting to pi$$ me off beyond belief.
              Agreed but as the poster above mentioned, this happens just as often nowadays with 'well-known' marketers promoting rubbish to their lists. It's not just confined to newbies.

              Either way I still think this is a good lesson to be learnt by beginners. Sure, it sucks to buy a product and feel ripped off. But one thing this does do is make you a lot more skeptical with any future products you come across.
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            • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
              Originally Posted by Filter View Post

              I just hear too many sob stories every day of people who have been ripped off to the tune of $1000+
              Hmmmmm....By buying one product or many products? I'm betting you mean many products.

              I hate to break it to you, but if they are repeat buyers it does not mean they are being ripped off, they are choosing to continue buying products instead of putting something into action. No matter how much they spend it will always be "I was ripped off" if they keep sitting on their hands.

              This sounds like self-inflicted wounds, not gunshots from unscrupulous sellers.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissLizzie
          Originally Posted by Filter View Post

          I've absolutley no problem with people selling to their lists, that's what they're there for. I guess I have a moral and ethical problem of newbies trying to sell newbies on things they have no idea about in IM. But I guess that's each to their own. I sleep just fine at night, hope they do too.
          Hey Stu - I agree with what you're saying, but at the moment, even some experienced marketers are selling some really dud stuff to their lists. You just have to look at the thread about Stripped Down Profits...

          For me, what's important is whether the mailing list actually gives you any value and that's what will keep me on there. If you are constantly mailing me with dubious affiliate offers and information, I'm going to press the unsubscribe button.
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          • Profile picture of the author Filter
            Originally Posted by MissLizzie View Post

            Hey Stu - I agree with what you're saying, but at the moment, even some experienced marketers are selling some really dud stuff to their lists. You just have to look at the thread about Stripped Down Profits...
            Hey Lizzy

            Totally agree. I think the "gurus" are getting more out of hand recently than any newbie IMers. I must be on 100+ "guru" lists and the **** they're pushing recently is simply unbelievable. The same canned emails for the same **** products - just take a look over at the reviews section of this forum to see how many others are as pissed as I am.

            But at least we can "smell the difference". It's the new guys and gals coming into IM that I really feel for. The majority of so called gurus of IM are turning out to be nothing more than used car salesmen / ambulance chasers and it truley sickens me.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
              Originally Posted by Filter View Post

              Hey Lizzy

              Totally agree. I think the "gurus" are getting more out of hand recently than any newbie IMers. I must be on 100+ "guru" lists and the **** they're pushing recently is simply unbelievable. The same canned emails for the same **** products - just take a look over at the reviews section of this forum to see how many others are as pissed as I am.

              But at least we can "smell the difference". It's the new guys and gals coming into IM that I really feel for. The majority of so called gurus of IM are turning out to be nothing more than used car salesmen / ambulance chasers and it truley sickens me.
              No wonder you're a bit jaded and email burnt, you're on 100+ lists! Why? If you're not getting something out of it then unsubscribe.
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              • Profile picture of the author Filter
                Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

                No wonder you're a bit jaded and email burnt, you're on 100+ lists! Why? If you're not getting something out of it then unsubscribe.
                Call me paranoid - to keep an eye on what they're all doing It just never ceases to amaze me how the same canned emails come out of these gurus literally on a daily basis. Sorry I know I'm ranting now, time for bed.
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  • Profile picture of the author ConnorMcCreesh
    Hey Guys,

    Just want to throw my personal experience in here. Now I know that a lot of people (and even several big rollers that I know) will tell you to give away WSO's for free, but I do think there are several problems with this.

    What I propose, and what in my experience works better is $1 WSO's, let me elaborate ;

    If you sell your WSO for $1 and mention this in the title, you will more often then not get a huge rush of visitors to your site. But why don't you get this is you advertise a free wso? The mentality is that with a Free WSO, you are just trying to build a list (after all who would pay $40 just to give a product away?), this is why you will often convert better if you sell your wso instead of giving it away. You can even bring scarecity in and say the $1 is just an intro price and it will rise (it doesn't have to). The bottom line is that most people look at the WSO forum when they want to buy, not join a list where they will be promoted to. (You can use WSO pro with a $1 wso to automatically add people to your list).


    The second benefit is that because you can use WSO pro to add people to your list, you do not need to pay for a website domain and hosting.

    The third benefit is that by charging $1 you know you have a buyers list. Now perhaps not the buyers list in the traditional sense where you know they are all hungry to pay lots for your products. They will be buyers in the sense that you 100% know that the people on your list have the potential to buy, e.g. they have a card hooked up to a computer. With a freebie list you may build a list of 12 year olds that are not allowed paypal accounts (so essentially useless to you). You can always build a deeper sales funnel and have a list builder after each step to segment your list more (highly suggested).

    The final benefit of a $1 WSO vs a free one is that you start to make back your investment of $40 straight away. I have not got any recent examples of this but when the forums charged $20 for a WSO post, I had a $1 WSO that was making 40-60 sales per bump. (with paypal charges I was making about $0.66 per sale so I was still covering my losses!)

    Hope this helps spark discussion.... in fact I may just start a thread...


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  • Profile picture of the author MissLizzie
    I know what you mean Stu - the IM world would be a much worse place without the Reviews section of the Warrior Forum!

    It's certainly made me think twice about buying a couple of products, and it'll make me think twice about buying products in the future from certain marketers that have promoted dubious offers to there list, all for a short term gain.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aarron
    Totally agree, and it let's the buyers see what the potential of future wso's are too. Think it should be mandatory to post one free wso before selling any ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author PabloVTB
    Originally Posted by ConnorMcCreesh View Post

    Hey Guys,

    Just want to throw my personal experience in here. Now I know that a lot of people (and even several big rollers that I know) will tell you to give away WSO's for free, but I do think there are several problems with this.

    What I propose, and what in my experience works better is $1 WSO's, let me elaborate ;

    If you sell your WSO for $1 and mention this in the title, you will more often then not get a huge rush of visitors to your site. But why don't you get this is you advertise a free wso? The mentality is that with a Free WSO, you are just trying to build a list (after all who would pay $40 just to give a product away?), this is why you will often convert better if you sell your wso instead of giving it away. You can even bring scarecity in and say the $1 is just an intro price and it will rise (it doesn't have to). The bottom line is that most people look at the WSO forum when they want to buy, not join a list where they will be promoted to. (You can use WSO pro with a $1 wso to automatically add people to your list).


    The second benefit is that because you can use WSO pro to add people to your list, you do not need to pay for a website domain and hosting.

    The third benefit is that by charging $1 you know you have a buyers list. Now perhaps not the buyers list in the traditional sense where you know they are all hungry to pay lots for your products. They will be buyers in the sense that you 100% know that the people on your list have the potential to buy, e.g. they have a card hooked up to a computer. With a freebie list you may build a list of 12 year olds that are not allowed paypal accounts (so essentially useless to you). You can always build a deeper sales funnel and have a list builder after each step to segment your list more (highly suggested).

    The final benefit of a $1 WSO vs a free one is that you start to make back your investment of $40 straight away. I have not got any recent examples of this but when the forums charged $20 for a WSO post, I had a $1 WSO that was making 40-60 sales per bump. (with paypal charges I was making about $0.66 per sale so I was still covering my losses!)

    Hope this helps spark discussion.... in fact I may just start a thread...


    Kind Regards,
    Connor
    Cool.. I do find that a good idea, I may try it out soon.

    Originally Posted by steveshills View Post

    With so much junk thats being sold online, its great to see fellow warriors giving away wsos to get themselfs noticed, lets face it, most of the products released via clickbank and here at the warrior forum are most of the time rehash junk.

    Ok i'm not saying that all products are crap, but what your find is that most methods are already well known about such has bum markietng, you tube methods, website flipping and off course building wordpress affiliate websites.

    I read a free wso the other day from go getta, the method was priceless, and i would have payed for this method because it was unique and different that anything that i've seen before.

    All i can say to the guys and girls that are writing free ebooks and course's, is keep up the hard work, and when you do sell your first wso that's going to have to be payed for, keep up the quailty, because the days of people buying crap rehased products, and why produce a great freebie, to then realease something of less quailty.
    Glad you like this approach. I believe giving away free stuff is an amazing way to gain reputation if you ever sell something of your own later.
    People need to see value first before they even consider buying from you, and that's why I'm giving away free WSO's myself. And it's great to be receiving really good reviews about them, that's a plus
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    • Profile picture of the author steveshills
      Point i'm trying to make is that when you first start off here at the warrior forum, and are a newbie info seller, what the hell knowledge have you got when your looking for ways to make money.

      Build yourself as a brand is a hard task these days, i've seen people here at the WF with great reps, realease a product here at the warrior forum, to then a year later release a version 2 which is horse crap.

      Gurus have been ripping people off for ages, look at the trend now of all the automated type product being sold.

      People always talk about creating your own products as a stream of income, so if product creation is your thing, then do what needs to be done to make your dreams happen, ok everyone has there thoughts as to how best to do it, i say nothing is set in stone, so if building as list for make money products is your thing, then do it.

      There will always be freebie seekers, but you known what's worse, is when you sell crap, then you product gets shared around the net with ease, and most of the time is because the product was crap.

      Turn the freebie seekers into buyers, get reviews from so called WF gurus types, and then realise a product that you wont have to sell for as low as $7, free today, cash in next month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I just don't like the term, rehash. What is rehashed material? Is it something you've read before? Is it common knowledge IF you are educated in your market?

    I guarantee that what a good many people think is rehashed garbage is an education to someone else. If you're finding too much rehashed material you're not the marketer's target market ... don't knock it, just quit shopping in that market. Maybe it's a sign it's time for you to back off studying that subject and start taking action.

    Just because someone is selling something you know, that doesn't make it garbage. Maybe it just means you need to learn to be more selective and discerning.

    Just because there's one pizza joint in town doesn't mean a second pizza joint serves rehashed garbage because they also sell the same product. If the market will support two, three or more pizza joints, then good for them all. The market will determine when it's too saturated by the sales volume each experiences.

    Just because someone is selling something you know doesn't mean they shouldn't be selling that. People will determine when the market for that product is too saturated as well, when the sales volume ceases to be sufficiently profitable.
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      What is rehashed material?
      You wanna know what is rehashed material? I'll tell you what it is.

      Math is rehashed. God I am so pissed of at these college books of mine. From first grade all the way to college it's the same damn stuff. I mean, it's been like 14 years since I first read 1 + 1 equals 2 and according to my college book it still does.

      What the heck?

      I mean, the author didn't even take the time to come up with something original but he rehashed from a kindergarten book. Seriously, what the heck?

      Rehashing sucks
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    • Profile picture of the author steveshills
      I agree with you to some point, but when the product offers real no value, then its plan crap, and sorry guys but i for one am fed up when looking for new methods to making money online.

      I never buy products unless there going to help my business, clue to crap products, I Made $4000 in 4 days, Come on guys.
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      • Profile picture of the author csemprie
        I couldn't agree with you more! It's pretty frustrating as a newbie who is trying to find a real and honest opportunity for new methods to making money online quickly.

        These days interpreting marketing tactics are rather tricky and it's becoming more difficult to tell which products are crappy and which ones are real - though $4000 in 4 days/hours/minutes (from the vendor) is a good indicator.


        Originally Posted by steveshills View Post

        I agree with you to some point, but when the product offers real no value, then its plan crap, and sorry guys but i for one am fed up when looking for new methods to making money online.

        I never buy products unless there going to help my business, clue to crap products, I Made $4000 in 4 days, Come on guys.
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    • Profile picture of the author hatchcrane
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      I just don't like the term, rehash. What is rehashed material? Is it something you've read before? Is it common knowledge IF you are educated in your market?

      I guarantee that what a good many people think is rehashed garbage is an education to someone else. If you're finding too much rehashed material you're not the marketer's target market ... don't knock it, just quit shopping in that market. Maybe it's a sign it's time for you to back off studying that subject and start taking action.

      Just because someone is selling something you know, that doesn't make it garbage. Maybe it just means you need to learn to be more selective and discerning.

      Just because there's one pizza joint in town doesn't mean a second pizza joint serves rehashed garbage because they also sell the same product. If the market will support two, three or more pizza joints, then good for them all. The market will determine when it's too saturated by the sales volume each experiences.

      Just because someone is selling something you know doesn't mean they shouldn't be selling that. People will determine when the market for that product is too saturated as well, when the sales volume ceases to be sufficiently profitable.
      You're pretty smart Dennis! Must have something to do with the "water" in Wisconsin.

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      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      I just don't like the term, rehash. What is rehashed material? Is it something you've read before? Is it common knowledge IF you are educated in your market?

      I guarantee that what a good many people think is rehashed garbage is an education to someone else. If you're finding too much rehashed material you're not the marketer's target market ... don't knock it, just quit shopping in that market. Maybe it's a sign it's time for you to back off studying that subject and start taking action.

      Just because someone is selling something you know, that doesn't make it garbage. Maybe it just means you need to learn to be more selective and discerning.

      Just because there's one pizza joint in town doesn't mean a second pizza joint serves rehashed garbage because they also sell the same product. If the market will support two, three or more pizza joints, then good for them all. The market will determine when it's too saturated by the sales volume each experiences.

      Just because someone is selling something you know doesn't mean they shouldn't be selling that. People will determine when the market for that product is too saturated as well, when the sales volume ceases to be sufficiently profitable.
      Rehashed material to me would be teaching an old method without adding any new value to it.

      I noticed recently with an WSO that some people were complaining that it was 'just another X-factor niche site' WSO, when in reality that 'X-factor' model is still fundamentally sound if you stay on top of the recent changes and build on the framework. Isn't that how most of advances have come about? Sure, once in a while someone hits the jackpot with a revolutionary idea, but building on what is already there and making it better is how progress usually happens. So in that way, rehashed content is a good thing.

      What isn't a good thing imo, is putting a nice wrapper with all the bells and whistles on a method that worked years ago but has since evolved or leaving out important steps.
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      • Profile picture of the author steveshills
        Problem is that too many rehash products offer no value, and the reason for this is the over hype of making money online quick.

        How the hell can one learn anything from a product creator whos releasing new products every week.

        Again the x factor model update was great, john x factor built bigger sites, with updated methods that he's using, the one thing that we all must learn is that you can only learn from people that are using the methods, if i release a product, i'm for hell sure going to be using it, why? because then people will release that i'm an expert on the metod that i've created, and not again some bs artist.

        Only we can decide as to what to buy or not buy, and for me, giving something of value for free is a great way to build trust, and build your brand so people wont think twice about buying from you again.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
          Originally Posted by steveshills View Post

          Problem is that too many rehash products offer no value, and the reason for this is the over hype of making money online quick.

          How the hell can one learn anything from a product creator whos releasing new products every week.

          Again the x factor model update was great, john x factor built bigger sites, with updated methods that he's using, the one thing that we all must learn is that you can only learn from people that are using the methods, if i release a product, i'm for hell sure going to be using it, why? because then people will release that i'm an expert on the metod that i've created, and not again some bs artist.

          Only we can decide as to what to buy or not buy, and for me, giving something of value for free is a great way to build trust, and build your brand so people wont think twice about buying from you again.
          I agree... I mean if you get something for free once from someone and you like it, then why not go ahead and buy from them? Good stuff...
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  • Profile picture of the author alwaysthinking09
    i would have to agree with you 100%. i also read a free ebook the other day that had some great information worth paying for in it
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Just because some method being sold isn't new to you, doesn't mean it isn't to others.

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    Good stuff in free WSO, good stuff that actually works, this is what thousands of users are waiting for, and will be faithful list members for those who give good knowledge in free WSOs
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