List Building Test From PTC Traffic Source....Results!

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Well, i have been an idiot.

But, you learn from mistakes. Thats what i would put it as.

I went to Neobux, ordered 5000 clicks = $80.

Setup a squeeze page, and the works.

Over 24hr period, 5000 views, 66 subscriptions onto my list, 0 sales.

So, if you ever think about it, don't!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kvn
    Originally Posted by Clubland View Post

    Well, i have been an idiot.

    But, you learn from mistakes. Thats what i would put it as.

    I went to Neobux, ordered 5000 clicks = $80.

    Setup a squeeze page, and the works.

    Over 24hr period, 5000 views, 66 subscriptions onto my list, 0 sales.

    So, if you ever think about it, don't!
    But those people are looking for ways to make money online. That's why they have joined for such "get paid to click" sites. Why not lead them to other ways of making money online.

    CPA, clickbank make money online products, other survey sites are just examples. Just my opinion!
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    • Profile picture of the author Clubland
      Originally Posted by graphicswarrior View Post

      But those people are looking for ways to make money online. That's why they have joined for such "get paid to click" sites. Why not lead them to other ways of making money online.

      CPA, clickbank make money online products, other survey sites are just examples. Just my opinion!
      I did lead them to other ways, but didn't convert
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  • Profile picture of the author John A Goodwin
    Thanks for sharing your results with us Clubland.

    Few years ago I tried advertising on one of those PTC sites (I'm not sure if it was Neobux or some other), and sent them to a squeeze page. I remember I got few optins, 0 sales, so it wasn't worth it for me.

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  • Profile picture of the author Hugh
    Think about it. If they knew how to get 5000 targeted names, they would send
    their own offer. At 2 or 3 % they would get 125 or so takers - with only a $10
    each profit they would make $1250, not $80 from you.

    Hugh
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingPro11
    Hi Clubland,
    PTC traffic is one of the worst kind of traffic you can get online.Sure these people are looking to make some money online but they are freebie seekers.

    One more thing,not all the hits you get from these sites are real hits.In most of the cases,The PTC owners mix bot hits with real traffic.

    There is virtually no use of this crap traffic except may be when you go for selling your site and want to appear your traffic stats look more attractive.
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    • Profile picture of the author woody821
      Yeah thanks for sharing this I know now to stay away from those kind of sites and work on improving my organic traffic methods. PPC works the same way sometimes you get a ton of clicks and no conversions and with the cost of ppc on some keywords it is just not worth it. Anyways I wish you luck on finding a way to drive more traffic to your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author CraigRC
    Originally Posted by Clubland View Post

    Well, i have been an idiot.

    But, you learn from mistakes. Thats what i would put it as.

    I went to Neobux, ordered 5000 clicks = $80.

    Setup a squeeze page, and the works.

    Over 24hr period, 5000 views, 66 subscriptions onto my list, 0 sales.

    So, if you ever think about it, don't!
    Sorry to hear your story, thanks for sharing it for the benefit of those who don't understand why they should avoid paid traffic.

    There's a WSO up right now about this specific traffic source, and it's being peddled to the sheep as if it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. :rolleyes:

    Neobux, or any PTC-based advertising, is usually a waste of money and time. These pitches prey on our laziness as a core sales point..."just set it and forget it!"

    Real PPC takes testing, research, tremendous analysis, and a bullet-proof funnel to even begin to see profits. Never be tempted by shortcuts that seem to be too good to be true.
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  • Profile picture of the author alamest
    Thanks for updating that my friend...I was going to do that in future...but you helped me not to go for it..

    Alam
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I suspect that you are thinking of this in the wrong way...

    Consider this:

    66 subscribers from 5000 visitors is a conversion rate of 1.32%.

    Your cost per new subscriber was $1.21.

    They say the average mailing list if effectively marketed will earn $1 per subscriber per month.

    So your promotion should pay for itself in 5 weeks.

    But it looks like you are only looking at today to determine the value of your subscriber.

    Since these people just met you, your chances of a quick sale are diminished. But if you give people time to get to know you, you may find that those same people who are not spending money today may spend a ton of money tomorrow.

    Additionally, according to Yanik Silver, something like 89% of people will convert somewhere between the 2nd and 8th contact.

    Yet, you are judging the value earned based on your first contact only?

    People make a ton of money doing exactly what you have suggested here to be a waste of your money...

    But the ball is in your court... If you don't take advantage of the opportunity you have been given, you will never see profits from the money you invested for your test...

    If you fail to take advantage of this opportunity, it was not Neobux that failed you, but it will be you that failed you...
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    • Profile picture of the author jc123
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      I suspect that you are thinking of this in the wrong way...

      Consider this:

      66 subscribers from 5000 visitors is a conversion rate of 1.32%.

      Your cost per new subscriber was $1.21.

      They say the average mailing list if effectively marketed will earn $1 per subscriber per month.

      So your promotion should pay for itself in 5 weeks.

      But it looks like you are only looking at today to determine the value of your subscriber.

      Since these people just met you, your chances of a quick sale are diminished. But if you give people time to get to know you, you may find that those same people who are not spending money today may spend a ton of money tomorrow.

      Additionally, according to Yanik Silver, something like 89% of people will convert somewhere between the 2nd and 8th contact.

      Yet, you are judging the value earned based on your first contact only?

      People make a ton of money doing exactly what you have suggested here to be a waste of your money...

      But the ball is in your court... If you don't take advantage of the opportunity you have been given, you will never see profits from the money you invested for your test...

      If you fail to take advantage of this opportunity, it was not Neobux that failed you, but it will be you that failed you...
      Yeah but it's very poor quality traffic. You won't make sales as the people using that site clicking links for 1 cent have no money to buy any products.
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      • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
        Originally Posted by jc123 View Post

        Yeah but it's very poor quality traffic. You won't make sales as the people using that site clicking links for 1 cent have no money to buy any products.
        This is unfortunately true. I built quite a nice list using PTC a few years back. I never managed to sell them anything, though others would buy my offers. I dropped the list as worthless after some serious testing.

        I tried to set up a mini-forum to receive feedback from the emails I was sending, so I could get an idea of what was going on. They were all opening the emails, they would jump on anything that was free...but buy nothing. This was really irritating me and and I asked them why they wouldn't buy anything. I know it seems a little extreme, but if you don't ask you don't know.

        Anyway, after I asked them their main problem, I discovered it was simply that they did not have PayPal accounts and couldn't get them. Also the price of a $7 ebook would have fed some of them for a week.

        That is the traffic you are getting there, and the reason it will not result in sales. Yes they do want to know how to make money online, but in most cases they have no money, PayPal accounts, or a hope in hell of getting them.

        Sorry if this sounds negative but I have built a list this way and then talked to them. Anyone trying to sell you the idea that there are a load of rich people clicking for possible pennies, tell them where to go.

        Cheers,
        Colin Palfrey
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      • Profile picture of the author vitadon
        CPA submits is the answer - nothing to buy or pay for - just enter their mobile phone number = $$$
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  • Profile picture of the author Murlu
    I played with Neobux for about a month just on my off time (takes 2 mins or so) and I could reinforce the fact that people are less likely to buy simply on the premise that when you're doing this kind of program you basically click the ad and then jump over to another tab in your browser, wait a minute and then close the ad.

    In all, most people NEVER look at your ad.

    I'd say avoid it at all costs; much better ways out there to create opt-in's.

    Thanks for sharing your experience Clubland.
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  • Profile picture of the author fated82
    Sorry to hear that. $80 is alot of money consider how much more targeted it would be if you only do PPC with it. I guess most people who just started out will want to see the subscriber's list grow...regardless of where it comes from...

    I suggest the next time you do a campaign, focus on channels that brings in targeted traffic. The list you own will be more valuable...Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author petelta
    You should split your poor traffic sources and high quality traffic sources into different lists.

    Anytime I pay for traffic, be it a PPC, solo ad, banner, etc, that traffic will go to a list of paid traffic sources. This list gets promoted to a little more often and includes a one time offer right after they confirm. I want to transfer as many of these paid subscribers into buyers as soon as possible. It may convert less, but if you had a OTO for those 60 subscribers, you might of seen your investment back right away.

    For my high quality traffic from places like forums, article marketing, joint ventures, etc, they go to a list with other high quality subscribers. There is no OTO after subscription and I slow sell my products.

    The content is mostly the same quality in both lists though...the paid traffic sources is expected to be more freebie seekers/etc.

    This also helps when you set up joint ventures. You don't want to email blast a crappy list you've built from only paid sources. You will get a horrible click thru rate for your venture partner. If you sent the venture email to the high quality traffic, the response is always better. This makes you look better to your partner and will open more venture opportunities easier. If everyone was on the same list, your conversions would be hurting do to the poor traffic sources.
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    • Profile picture of the author Clubland
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      I suspect that you are thinking of this in the wrong way...

      Consider this:

      66 subscribers from 5000 visitors is a conversion rate of 1.32%.

      Your cost per new subscriber was $1.21.

      They say the average mailing list if effectively marketed will earn $1 per subscriber per month.

      So your promotion should pay for itself in 5 weeks.

      But it looks like you are only looking at today to determine the value of your subscriber.

      Since these people just met you, your chances of a quick sale are diminished. But if you give people time to get to know you, you may find that those same people who are not spending money today may spend a ton of money tomorrow.

      Additionally, according to Yanik Silver, something like 89% of people will convert somewhere between the 2nd and 8th contact.

      Yet, you are judging the value earned based on your first contact only?

      People make a ton of money doing exactly what you have suggested here to be a waste of your money...

      But the ball is in your court... If you don't take advantage of the opportunity you have been given, you will never see profits from the money you invested for your test...

      If you fail to take advantage of this opportunity, it was not Neobux that failed you, but it will be you that failed you...
      I have been email marketing for years, so i know the score. I was just doing the numbers on first contact, also the fact i had a OTO. I am a firm beliver of OTO's and giving something away that is worth a lot. But, i do see where you are coming from. I do still have this list, and still sending messages to them. So, like you explained, only time will tell.

      Originally Posted by fated82 View Post

      Sorry to hear that. $80 is alot of money consider how much more targeted it would be if you only do PPC with it. I guess most people who just started out will want to see the subscriber's list grow...regardless of where it comes from...

      I suggest the next time you do a campaign, focus on channels that brings in targeted traffic. The list you own will be more valuable...Cheers!
      Please correct me if i am wrong. But, you are assuming i am new to email marketing, aren't you?

      Basically, there is hype going around that this form of paid traffic is the bees knees. I just wanted to show my initial results from this kind of traffic.

      Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

      This is unfortunately true. I built quite a nice list using PTC a few years back. I never managed to sell them anything, though others would buy my offers. I dropped the list as worthless after some serious testing.

      I tried to set up a mini-forum to receive feedback from the emails I was sending, so I could get an idea of what was going on. They were all opening the emails, they would jump on anything that was free...but buy nothing. This was really irritating me and and I asked them why they wouldn't buy anything. I know it seems a little extreme, but if you don't ask you don't know.

      Anyway, after I asked them their main problem, I discovered it was simply that they did not have PayPal accounts and couldn't get them. Also the price of a $7 ebook would have fed some of them for a week.

      That is the traffic you are getting there, and the reason it will not result in sales. Yes they do want to know how to make money online, but in most cases they have no money, PayPal accounts, or a hope in hell of getting them.

      Sorry if this sounds negative but I have built a list this way and then talked to them. Anyone trying to sell you the idea that there are a load of rich people clicking for possible pennies, tell them where to go.

      Cheers,
      Colin Palfrey
      Would love to see your results, if you kept a record. How long did you keep emailing to them, before you scrapped the list?

      Originally Posted by petelta View Post

      You should split your poor traffic sources and high quality traffic sources into different lists.

      Anytime I pay for traffic, be it a PPC, solo ad, banner, etc, that traffic will go to a list of paid traffic sources. This list gets promoted to a little more often and includes a one time offer right after they confirm. I want to transfer as many of these paid subscribers into buyers as soon as possible. It may convert less, but if you had a OTO for those 60 subscribers, you might of seen your investment back right away.

      For my high quality traffic from places like forums, article marketing, joint ventures, etc, they go to a list with other high quality subscribers. There is no OTO after subscription and I slow sell my products.

      The content is mostly the same quality in both lists though...the paid traffic sources is expected to be more freebie seekers/etc.

      This also helps when you set up joint ventures. You don't want to email blast a crappy list you've built from only paid sources. You will get a horrible click thru rate for your venture partner. If you sent the venture email to the high quality traffic, the response is always better. This makes you look better to your partner and will open more venture opportunities easier. If everyone was on the same list, your conversions would be hurting do to the poor traffic sources.
      You note very good points here. Especially about JV's, but i did put up a OTO, and no one brought a $3 product. Because i have been testing the $7, $17, $27, basically pricing with 7's at the end, and i see 3's working better. However, this isn't so with PTC traffic.
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      • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
        Originally Posted by Clubland View Post

        Would love to see your results, if you kept a record. How long did you keep emailing to them, before you scrapped the list?
        Unfortunately I don't even have the domain name it was attached to. I had actually emailed them for nearly 7 months, as I recall. It was a long time ago, though.

        I had believed all the rubbish about PTC, and had built a pretty huge list which I was getting to join different PTC websites, supposedly to build my down-lines. Yup, I was a newbie then.

        Of course none of the places paid-out, so I tried to help the people on my list get off the PTC bandwagon, and into real traffic generation methods, and real businesses.

        At the time that I realized it was all a con, I had built up this big list of people that I had accidentally encouraged to further waste their time. Not cool!

        I was extremely unhappy and expressed my contempt for the companies behind these PTC scams in many ways that I shouldn't have.

        I did try to explain the problem and sell other products, and to give away traffic generation guides to my list, but the readers just didn't bite. If it was free they were all over it, charge 1c and throw in a bonus house - no way!

        Following that I decided to ask them the problem. After I found out they didn't have the resources to buy anything, and the fact they couldn't get PayPal, I apologized for wasting their time and closed the Aweber account. I suspect they continued to waste their time chasing PTC money, but they cannot say they weren't warned.

        This was all before I seriously got into I.M., and one of the main reasons I chose ghostwriting. For a long time I simply didn't want to sell anything on the internet, purely because I associated it with those PTC sites.

        Luckily I eventually got over that, but would never promote anything that hasn't actually paid me money (not just claimed I've earned it) ever again.

        Cheers,
        Colin Palfrey
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  • Profile picture of the author petelta
    Yea, if you had no buyers then that traffic source is crap. I wouldn't waste time or money for any subscribers from them.

    That's another big reason I put OTOs up for paid traffic sources...you instantly know if you are getting any buyers even from a crappy traffic source.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clubland
    Colin,

    Good to know you have long enough experience with this.

    I just wanted to know for myself, what kind of results i get. Because there just seems like there is more hype over this traffic converting and getting hundreds on your list.

    Well, we all learn the hard way, also i have the opportunity to show my results i got from this, and my recommendations for it.

    Which is, don't do it!
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  • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
    You could have got 4-10 times targetted traffic if you invested the same amount of money in warrior forum!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lee Murray
    I just purchased 2500 clicks for $5 as per someone's suggestion, claiming that you can get 100 subs or more. Thought I'd just try it out for s & g. Maybe I'll just keep sending them to Adsense pages or something.
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    • Profile picture of the author Coby
      Originally Posted by Lee Murray View Post

      I just purchased 2500 clicks for $5 as per someone's suggestion, claiming that you can get 100 subs or more. Thought I'd just try it out for s & g. Maybe I'll just keep sending them to Adsense pages or something.
      don't do that, adwords will ban your account...

      PTC sites have their places - 66 subs for $80 is not a total loss - but could have been better results had you spent that on a 250 click solo ad - probably could of got 100 plus subs...

      But you never know until you test, and you have so now you won't have to wonder 'what if'...

      Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimmy101
    i think incentivized traffic wouldn't just cut it, the motivation would not be there.
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  • Profile picture of the author StevenJones
    Seems like my you acted upon my FREE WSO. Anyway I am explaining what you have to there. Unlike the OP I got some great success. Just find the correct monetize and free offer to get them to sign up.

    Just play around with this technique and you will get some really nice profit out of this technique.
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  • Thank you for sharing this info. There are alot of factors that can come into play when doing this though. I'm sure some people have had great success. I think everyone wants to piggy back off of what works for another . but everyone's biz is not setup the same way and does not offer the same info. How can you compare your success to anothers unless you are aselling the exact same thing. Can't compare apples to oranges here.

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  • Profile picture of the author theplugindude
    Originally Posted by Clubland View Post

    Well, i have been an idiot.

    But, you learn from mistakes. Thats what i would put it as.

    I went to Neobux, ordered 5000 clicks = $80.

    Setup a squeeze page, and the works.

    Over 24hr period, 5000 views, 66 subscriptions onto my list, 0 sales.

    So, if you ever think about it, don't!
    Let me give you another idea, try the warriorforum instead!

    Use the banner feature, you can get a gaurenteed number of 300 optins minimum.

    Or post a WSO..this is where the money is when it comes to IM!

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    • Profile picture of the author carlamae
      Originally Posted by theplugindude View Post

      Let me give you another idea, try the warriorforum instead!

      Use the banner feature, you can get a gaurenteed number of 300 optins minimum.

      Or post a WSO..this is where the money is when it comes to IM!

      This is golden advice!
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  • Profile picture of the author go2girl
    Hi, I'm new to all this what is a squeeze page? Sorry to about spending money on something that didn't work.
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