I've Just _______ An _. Is That Ethical?

by Steven Fullman

Posted: 15 years ago 19 replies

INTERNET MARKETING

FYI - If you doubt your actions enough to ask whether they're ethical or otherwise, the chances are:

1. No, they're not
2. You're new here

Either way, it's your conscience, so whadda we care?

Unless you're new...in which case, why not say so, and ask for a little direction?

Warriors don't bite. (Except for Myers, but only when you run out of logic...like I just have)

Don't try the old shock-to-impress trick. There's a new one every day...and it's normally better wriiten than yours.

Happy Xmas,
Steve

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zerofill 15 years ago

Either way, it's your conscience, so whadda we care?

LOL...your losing it this week aren't ya?
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- Steven Fullman 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by zerofill
  
  LOL...your losing it this week aren't ya?
  
  Don,
  
  I don't know what you're talking about.
  
  Steve
  
  Lol
  
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  Steven Carl Kelly 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Fullman
  
  I don't know what you're talking about.
  
  I don't know what anyone is talking about.
  
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  Steven Fullman 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by faxinator
  
  I don't know what anyone is talking about.
  
  That makes 12 of us. Jeez, who authorizes these stupid threads anyway?
  
  You guys...there's an OT forum you know!
  
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  impact-productions 15 years ago
  
  I disagree. In my mind ethics is incredibly important in business. I've known several people first-hand do unethical things (and I guess here I'm talking undebatable criminal activities) to get ahead in the short term, but in the long term it comes back to bite them. The downside is that one of these guys paid off his mortgage, so even being shunned he's well ahead of where he should be at this stage of the game.
  
  Of course, saying that I read the other recent 'ethics' thread with shock, where people seemed to be being berated for employing overseas workers on pay and conditions substantially better than they would be used to (I know of friends of friends in China working 80 hour weeks in sweatshop conditions, and am sure that conditions in many other countries are not dramatically different). It only takes reading a bit of non-fiction from the early 19th Century to give UK or US comparable conditions. Even worse, there were some bringing religious arguments into this. This is something which could be considered highly offensive by anyone of another religion, and which I would certainly considered unethical.
  
  Conscience and direction are both important things, but in a global marketplace we must consider that our own cultures are only a tiny part of that, and decisions should be made with all conditions, opinions, peoples and beliefs in mind.
  
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richfit 15 years ago

Not much, lol!
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indexphp 15 years ago

wOw.

-I probably shouldn't say what I think about this thread-
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- Steven Fullman 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Garrett Aren
  
  wOw.
  
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  Oh, go on.
  
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- zerofill 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Garrett Aren
  
  wOw.
  
  -I probably shouldn't say what I think about this thread-
  
  Probably not...if you haven't read between the lines...
  
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DougBarger

15 years ago

Good point Steven. Some may think it doesn't have any merit as
being internet marketing per se.

However, what you're talking about could be crucial.

We've seen a number of stories about people who for whatever reason

failed to listen to that small voice asking if a particular method,

strategy, technique or practice was ethical or what not

and then had seen it come back to bite them in the butt

and ruin their reps and businesses.

So it has a lot to do with im, just as a pre-emptive to make sure
you don't fall prey to the dollar signs clouding the vision
on what could otherwise be a solid business plan.

Let's give an example to further illustrate Steven's point.
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A new marketer gets a hold of 100,000 "hot leads" who have freshly

opted in to someone's opt in form from the opportunity seekers niche

after reading an offer on a salespage that they have not been mailed

more than once and will never be shared with more than 2 marketers

to ensure they are still quality leads and have been obtained either in

real time or the last few hours.

The dollar signs flash fast for the little to no effort coup that begins dangling in front of the said marketer's eyes like a carrot in front of a starving jackrabbit.

He bites and decides to use the bulk emailer app that mails it from his
server to offer his get rich quick scheme for only

$3000.

He figures converting at even 0.1% it's a sure shot for

$300,000 from the 100 out of the 100,000 who take him

up on the offer for $3000.

So he's done all the math and has all the bases covered.

He has listened to every possible scenario and

goes for it.

Or so he thought.

The one base he left uncovered, was his (as you so eloquently stated in your thread title) ______________

when he decided to smother the still small voice asking if it would

be ethical if he just _________ an _________.

Now as he goes to sleep with visions of notifications of payment received

dancing in his head and finally being able to play in all the reindeer games

with the others he tells that still small voice to shut up one more time.

He wakes up and rushes to his email account...

and sure enough! It's an email!

Wait a minute, that's odd....

It doesn't say "notification of payment received"

It's not from paypal at all or any other payment processor.

What's going on here and why is the place where that still small voice was

earlier now feelilng terrible before even seeing what's next?

Oh, okay, it's from his hosting company.

His sites have now been shut down by his hosting company

and his isp has shut him down too.

Turns out the still small voice knew what he was talking about afterall

and he got nailed for spam complaints from those "hungry for opportunity seekers" he just knew would love his life saving $3000 opportunity.
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So good idea Steven. A nice little intervention of sorts for those
who may be new to the game and wondering if it was

ethical to just _____ an_____.

Cause the only _____ they would be _______ is their own.

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Steven Fullman

15 years ago

Originally Posted by DougBarger

Good point Steven. Some may think it doesn't have any merit as
being internet marketing per se.

However, what you're talking about could be crucial.

We've seen a number of stories about people who for whatever reason

failed to listen to that small voice asking if a particular method,

strategy, technique or practice was ethical or what not

and then seen it come back to bite them in the butt

and ruin their reps and businesses.

So it has a lot to do with im, just as a pre-emptive to make sure
you don't fall prey to the dollar signs clouding the vision
on what could otherwise be a solid business plan.

Ok, don't know if that redeemed it or not yet,
so let's give an example.

A new marketer gets a hold of 100,000 "hot leads" who have freshly

opted in to someone's opt in form from the opportunity seekers niche

after reading an offer on a salespage that they have not been mailed

more than once and will never be shared with more than 2 marketers

to ensure they are still quality leads and have been obtained either in

real time or the last few hours.

The dollar signs fast for little to no effort begin dangling in front of the said marketer's eyes like a carrot in front of a starving jackrabbit.

He bites and decides to use the bulk emailer app that mails it from his
hosting account to offer his get rich quick scheme for only

$3000.

He figures converting at even 0.1% it's a sure shot for

$300,000 from the 100 out of the 100,000 who take him

up on the offer for $3000.

So he's done all the math and has all the bases covered.

He has listened to every possible scenario and

goes for it.

Or so he thought.

The one base he left uncovered, was his (as you so eloquently stated in your thread title) ______________

when he decided to smother the still small voice asking if it would

be ethical if he just _________ an _________.

Now as he goes to sleep with visions of payments of notification received

dancing in his head and finally being able to play in all the reindeer games

with the others he tells that still small voice to shut up one more time.

He wakes up and rushes to his email account...

and sure enough! It's an email!

Wait a minute, that's odd....

It doesn't say "payment of notification received"

It's not from paypal at all or any other payment processor.

What's going on here and why is the place where that still small voice was

earlier now feelilng terrible before even seeing what's next?

Oh, okay, it's from his hosting company.

His sites have now been shut down by his hosting company

and his isp has shut him down too.

Turns out the still small voice knew what he was talking about afterall

and he got nailed for spam complaints from those "hungry for opportunity seekers" he just knew would love his life saving $3000 opportunity.

So good idea Steven. A nice little intervention of sorts for those
who may be new to the game and wondering if it was

ethical to just _____ an_____.

Cause the only _____ they would be _______ is their own.

Precisely, Doug.

Thanks for re-railing this train crash so eloquently.

Steve

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zerofill

15 years ago

I got it the first time...I was just picking on you LOL...
But apparently some didn't "get it" hehe...

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Steven Fullman

15 years ago

Originally Posted by zerofill

I got it the first time...I was just picking on you LOL...
But apparently some didn't "get it" hehe...

Don - idea for a sitcom...a killer, yes?

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Steven Wagenheim 15 years ago

Steve's been smokin that funny stuff this week.

All I know is, today I discovered a new pain...trying to get a lead guitar
part down right and forgetting that I don't have the callouses that I did
when I was a kid.

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zerofill

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Fullman

Don - idea for a sitcom...a killer, yes?

"The Boolean Negative: How Two Men Became Friends Despite There Being No Easy Way To Redefine A Constant In PHP"

PHP: runkit_constant_redefine - Manual

LOL dunno that I would recommend it though

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

All too often there is another element at play: The poster doesn't care if it's ethical, they just want people to agree with them so they can justify their own bad behavior.

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adamv

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

All too often there is another element at play: The poster doesn't care if it's ethical, they just want people to agree with them so they can justify their own bad behavior.

Ding, ding, ding... We have a winner.

I totally agree with you. I also agree with the OP in that, if you have to ask if something is ethical then you know that you probably shouldn't be doing it. But why do people ask anyway? Because they are looking for justification. You make a great point and I think you hit the nail on the head.

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ptone 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Fullman

(Except for Myers, but only when you run out of logic...like I just have)

Steve, you are losing it...Myers NEVER runs out of logic (unless you mean a Myers other than Paul).
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Bev Clement 15 years ago

Steven do we blame it on the weather there in London, or the water, or Christmas or just ...............................
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Cash Blasters Online 15 years ago

We all know right from wrong, think about it.
No one's perfect and we are in hard times, and I see good people online pushing so hard to make ends meet they some times cheat a little.
BUt most people are good people, life can be hard.
Sometimes forgiving people and say we said in our old school days........................give someone a Do-over. It's better than banning them from our hearts and life forever.
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