Reality Check

[John Taylor]

A few observations and words of caution..

1. Forum posts are not necessarily factual or accurate.
2. Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one.
3. Unless you know the poster personally, you don't know the poster.
4. Post count is just a number it says nothing about quality or credibility.
5. You don't know the "state" of the person posting (Drugs, Alcohol, stupidity, insanity?)
6. You may not know the true intent behind the post.
7. This is not a customer support forum
8. If it's not about making money it shouldn't be in the main forum.
9. It's OK to question and challenge the content of a post.
10. Members have a responsibility to the forum.

John

[Ebbi]

Good stuff... I'm adding this to the newbie thread!
This is a good read for all the new members coming
in every day now!

Ebbi

[esr]

Good advice. Thanks for the reminder.

[Fabian Tan]

This is a reason why ebooks, manuals, and proper lessons will always have their place. Ebooks are (often) devoid of emotional clutter, as I call it.

I see people saying they spend all day learning on this forum and I get worried. I don't believe you can't learn everything from a forum.

You wouldn't take military lessons or web development lessons solely from a forum. For a computer game, maybe.

You need manuals, you need mentors and you need tools. This forum is only another tool.

Fabian

[Ebbi]

Originally Posted by Fabian Tan

This is a reason why ebooks, manuals, and proper lessons will always have their place. Ebooks are (often) devoid of emotional clutter, as I call it.

I see people saying they spend all day learning on this forum and I get worried. I don't believe you can't learn everything from a forum.

You wouldn't take military lessons or web development lessons solely from a forum.

You need manuals, you need mentors and you need tools. This forum is only another tool.

Fabian

I actually have to disagree here.
I believe the WF has bunch of methods people can study.
Taking action is something people just don't do!

I agree that you need manuals and a mentor can do wonders
for you. But saying that the WF is just another tool, I can't
agree to that because it's so much more.

People have actually started $20.000 to $30.000 businesses
just using the WF.

Ebbi

[Nick Brighton]

Originally Posted by John Taylor

A few observations and words of caution..

1. Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one.
2. It's OK to question and challenge the content of a post.
   

John

Great stuff John! These two are my peeves, as so many people get shot down in
flames for contributing here...from newbies who ask simply questions to veterens
who try and offer their opinions.

Seems often, just as real life, the middle man who struggles along with the pack
is the one that is "safest".

I am personally tired of people telling others they can and can't offer their opinionated
views on IM. That's what this forum is for, just like all groups based around freedom of
speech.

And boy, dare he who challenges a post or a poster for whatever reason...or, dare I
say it, challenge a "guru" about their product, views or comments, for he shall be
stricken down with wrath from the mighty hand of troll lord.

(tongue in cheek, don't moderate me please!).

[BIG Mike]

Originally Posted by Nick Brighton

Great stuff John! These two are my peeves, as so many people get shot down in
flames for contributing here...from newbies who ask simply questions to veterens
who try and offer their opinions.

Seems often, just as real life, the middle man who struggles along with the pack
is the one that is "safest".

I am personally tired of people telling others they can and can't offer their opinionated
views on IM. That's what this forum is for, just like all groups based around freedom of
speech.

And boy, dare he who challenges a post or a poster for whatever reason...or, dare I
say it, challenge a "guru" about their product, views or comments, for he shall be
stricken down with wrath from the mighty hand of troll lord.

(tongue in cheek, don't moderate me please!).

Get ready to be stricken down Nick... (J/K)

Ever since my ancestors came up with the concept of the forum, the goal was to exchange ideas, challenge opinions and "Facts" and to provide a mechanism for sharing knowledge.

Little has changed about forums since those times. I want to be challenged, I want to be corrected and I want to learn. Unfortunately, forums today also attract trolls and idiots who are not interested in those concepts - they cannot accept any conflicting viewpoints.

The big problem with these folks is that they cannot accept that there are no absolutes when it comes to business (except of course that their are no absolutes, LOL).

Forum participation requires an open mind, a certain amount of objectivity and a willingness to accept, respect and be tolerant of the beliefs of others.

[Neil Morgan]

Good post John - and you included my favourite!

1. Forum posts are not necessarily factual or accurate.

Cheers,

Neil

[Nick Brighton]

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

Get ready to be stricken down Nick... (J/K)

Ever since my ancestors came up with the concept of the forum, the goal was to exchange ideas, challenge opinions and "Facts" and to provide a mechanism for sharing knowledge.

Little has changed about forums since those times. I want to be challenged, I want to be corrected and I want to learn. Unfortunately, forums today also attract trolls and idiots who are not interested in those concepts - they cannot accept any conflicting viewpoints.

The big problem with these folks is that they cannot accept that there are no absolutes when it comes to business (except of course that their are no absolutes, LOL).

Forum participation requires an open mind, a certain amount of objectivity and a willingness to accept, respect and be tolerant of the beliefs of others.

I totally disagree. Who the hell are you anyway? I know best. You're wrong...

...there, happy now? [] JK.

[Ryan Dodson]

11. Another thing to remember is to not take this (or any other) forum too seriously

[joblythe]

Originally Posted by Ryan Dodson

11. Another thing to remember is to not take this (or any other) forum too seriously

You can not be serious!

Nice post, John

I particularly like Number 5, Parts A & B (in moderation!) j/k mother! (she would have been 110 this Xmas!)

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by John Taylor

1. Forum posts are not necessarily factual or accurate.

... but some are more factual and accurate than others.

[WinsonYeung]

Yes, you are correct !

Members have a responsibility for all the forum.

[borilbogoev]

Yes, the reality is different than our idea about it!

[TiffanyDow]

Great post my friend but I MUST use #9 about #7. This is the best support I've ever received in my 9 years of online marketing. This forum is a wonderful place for support

But I know what you mean...just messin with ya
Tiff

[naruq]

I agree that Internet marketers should not only use this forum for their education. However, I believe that Internet Marketers can benefit from information on the warrior Forum on different topics related to Internet Marketing. In addition, Internet marketers can invest in Products that are related to Internet Marketing. Internet Marketers can also develop a relationship with an Internet Marketer who will take the time to mentor him or her.

[John Taylor]

Bonus:

Just because you haven't seen the unwritten rules doesn't mean there aren't any.

John

[ZigZag]

13. You have to complain about other people's marketing (at least 5 times) to be a good Warrior.
14. Definitely support people because that's what makes a good community.

[Sean A McAlister]

John,

I think that this is one of the best posts that I have seen...really!

Sean

[ZigZag]

Actually I think this whole community is built on support. That's what makes it so great. I'd even say that this is a support forum. I see support from amazing people everywhere. I also think people should be less paranoiac. It's very important that we self-regulate and separate the "good fruit" from the "bad fruit." However from an outsider looking in all the squabbling that goes on in this community (Internet marketing) is kind of pathetic.

[John Taylor]

Originally Posted by ZigZag

Actually I think this whole community is built on support. That's what makes it so great. I'd even say that this is a support forum.

I totally agree, my comment about this not being a support
forum was about people asking for technical support here
rather than contacting the supplier of the product or service.

I guess that says a lot about the strength of this forum when
you can get an answer more quickly here than you can from
many people's help desks!

John

[mm365]

Originally Posted by John Taylor

A few observations and words of caution..

1. Forum posts are not necessarily factual or accurate.
2. Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one.
3. Unless you know the poster personally, you don't know the poster.
4. Post count is just a number it says nothing about quality or credibility.
5. You don't know the "state" of the person posting (Drugs, Alcohol, stupidity, insanity?)
6. You may not know the true intent behind the post.
7. This is not a support forum
8. If it's not about making money it shouldn't be in the main forum.
9. It's OK to question and challenge the content of a post.
10. Members have a responsibility to the forum.

John

I mostly agree with you here John,

However I would like to point out that I found it funny that you would post this thread (about observations of posts) in this forum (about making money) and then write as your #8:

"If it's not about making money it shouldn't be in the main forum."


Isn't that slightly hypocritical??

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by John Taylor

I totally agree, my comment about this not being a support
forum was about people asking for technical support here
rather than contacting the supplier of the product or service.

I guess that says a lot about the strength of this forum when
you can get an answer more quickly here than you can from
many people's help desks!

John

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Why is PayPal doing this to me?
Can I sell adult products at PayDotCom?
Why does Frank Kern do this?
Can someone get me in touch with...

You see them all the time.

Nice thread.

AL

[John Taylor]

Originally Posted by mm365

Isn't that slightly hypocritical??

So, you "got" #9 then. ;-)

John

[mm365]

Originally Posted by John Taylor

So, you "got" #9 then. ;-)

John

Haha - nice response.

It all seems to come naturally to me!