What's your opinion? Chaos to come...

13 years ago

Wait...what?

What's wrong with numbers? This is like when people started wearing their pants around their knees, all over again. I just don't get the modern world.

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TheBrainteacher

13 years ago

Hi Oxbloom,

The USA is going backwards in math standards compared to other countries.
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U.S. Teens Lag as China Soars on International Test

What I've created over the last 28 years may help reverse that trend.

People used to say, "What's wrong with Roman Numerals?" In fact Arabic Numerals were banned in Europe at one point to force people to use the old number system.

What I've created will amaze people in the USA as it has while being tested in 70+ countries.

So people with kids aged 5+ should find their kids LOVE math the way it now works and is taught. After all, who doesn't like puppies?

Jonathan

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MarksWineClub

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TheBrainteacher

Hi Oxbloom,

The USA is going backwards in math standards compared to other countries.
Search on
U.S. Teens Lag as China Soars on International Test

What I've created over the last 28 years may help reverse that trend.

People used to say, "What's wrong with Roman Numerals?" In fact Arabic Numerals were banned in Europe at one point to force people to use the old number system.

What I've created will amaze people in the USA as it has while being tested in 70+ countries.

So people with kids aged 5+ should find their kids LOVE math the way it now works and is taught. After all, who doesn't like puppies?

Jonathan

Unfortunately, I think anyone involved in education knows there is one serious flaw when comparing scores from one country to another....who is tested! We test 100% of our kids who show up to school in the United States, other countries test significantly less (Japan famously tests only around 10%).

Show me a statistic, I can show you bias. Anything to do with kids are inherently biased

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TheBrainteacher 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MarksWineClub

Show me a statistic, I can show you bias. Anything to do with kids are inherently biased

Four out of three kids find fractions hard.

Yep I agree. My grandfather wrote a book called, 'The use and abuse of statistics.'

There are lots of international tests out there. One thing they tend to have in common is that Asian kids are better at math than western kids. Yet how to do separate out teaching vs parental discipline? There may well be both correlation and causality about the use of illogical words such eleven and twelve used in the west vs the Asian principle of ten-one and ten-two where the logic is transparent. Put an Asian child with caring parents in with a Western child with caring parents, teach them the same way and my guess is they'd both perform pretty much the same on tests.

In Australia some schools have been caught out letting 'non-academic kids' stay home on testing days to rort the stats and go up the rankings. My guess is that happens whenever funding is tied to performance.

(Once I get to 50 posts all non-marketing comments will be via PM to keep this on the marketing topic.)
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Alex Barboza

13 years ago

This is interesting indeed. I will keep an eye on this thread

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Tom E 13 years ago

Sounds like a more right brain approach to math, am I right?
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TheBrainteacher

13 years ago

The media release in my signature has much more info. It's a whole brain 'integer system' I started developing after I broke a world record for brainpower over 20 years ago. The Slideshare link has the entire first e-book with 125 slides. The entire 2nd e-book is there as well at the moment. My approach is to create a super hero out of a stupid dyslexic puppy that kids will relate to. The puppy is the power brand (based on my real life puppy) and my idea is that kids will enjoy the picture story book while the math system gets embedded along the way. So gr8tocre8 it's MUCH more than simple visualisation which I did in the 1980s. Back then I taught the current math system to kids while they had their eyes closed. In one lesson they could do stuff teachers couldn't. Yet the teachers effectively banned my lessons even though they are all based 10 algebraic systems taught in a different way. Hence the 'chaos to come' comment in the subject. I can also provide interactive PowerPoint slideshows so you get to understand a bit more. There will be heaps of resources on the CDs when they go on sale next month in India - the home of modern math! So yes, this is interesting and potentially explosive stuff. After coming up with my core innovation in my dreams in 2008, I was in a state of shock for over a year. The media release link has typical reactions from people to my math lessons. However what I'm doing now is much cooler then my old lessons. So check out the links in my signature and I will answer any questions here as best I can. All I ask is you don't share this info outside this forum at the moment. Thanks. Jonathan

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Tom E 13 years ago

That's actually what I meant by a right brain method. It sounds fascinating, and if pursued the right way, I can see this making you millions, and changing millions of lives in the process.

Is there any way of getting a PDF of the scribd version of your book? I don't have time to read it in one sitting, and it gets frustrating trying to find the page I was on for each time I come back. But I would love to read it, as this is really fascinating to me.

Btw, if you really don't want this spread outside of this forum, you should remove that Scribd link altogether. Firstly, there is always unethical, money-hungry warriors around, and secondly, this thread is indexed by google, and can easily be found by anyone if they happen to hit the right keyword.
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- theemperor 13 years ago
  
  Jonathan,
  
  This is very interesting. I like people who challenge the norms!
  
  I'd miss the numbers we have now though...
  
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- TheBrainteacher 13 years ago
  
  Thank you to those who are interested! CDarklock you remind me of every school teacher I've met! I expect 99.5% to be cynical, yet there's no way around that apart from letting people make up their own minds.
  
  The first eBook with 150 pages of slides can be downloaded from my site with index2 dot html rather than index dot html
  
  The second eBook with 70+ pages can be downloaded there as well. Just watch one of the trailers and the landing page appears straight after with a feedback form at the bottom.
  
  All I request is your feedback. No email optins or anything. If you leave a comment after reading the downloadable PDF I'll put you on the priority list for a free interactive version which is where more of the learning will occur.
  
  I know this sounds like a scam. Except I'd be the dumbest guy in the world to devote himself for 28 years just to give away an eBook. Yet that's my point of asking this question in this forum.
  
  Maybe just have a look at what I have no strings attached and no optin anything. Then maybe you'll be able to give me some ideas on what to do next. I've written to the education minister of Australia who referred me to every seperate state and territory education department. The prime minister of Australia did the same!
  
  That's why I'm launching Australian Numerals and Podometic in India. They love mathematics and created what we use now.
  
  Anyway I'm feeling a little flat at the moment. It's like I've used 90% of what's in my tank to get to this point.
  
  TheEmperor, relax, everything you know has just been upgraded. Australian Numerals has twice as many squiggles to learn yet once you know it will take you less than 5 minutes to teach a friend.
  
  Thank you.
  Jonathan
  P.S. For some reason I can't post the link here, yet this should get you the eBooks.
  
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Originally Posted by TheBrainteacher

All I ask is you don't share this info outside this forum at the moment. Thanks. Jonathan

You do realize that the whole world can see this, don't you?
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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TheBrainteacher

The last time a new number system came along was when Arabic Numerals knocked off Roman Numerals.

Am I the only person who interprets this as a "back away slowly and don't make any sudden movements" warning?

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Grommeman 13 years ago

Yeah not sure about that, people don't simply decide to take a different approach online on how they market, it is mostly following what methods are put in place and how to manipulate them or amaze people.
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TheBrainteacher

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Am I the only person who interprets this as a "back away slowly and don't make any sudden movements" warning?

Hi,

I don't know your name, yet this is a Catch 22 situation. If I just say what I have is a bit better people will freak out when they realise I teach kids stuff in a couple of hours that takes them past what you learn about number systems after 7 years.

Kids suffer from ADD because they get bored learning math the same way it's been taught for centuries. Imagine if your brain had to operate in text base DOS rather than a groovy iPhone/iPad type experience?

If I say that what I've done is create for first major innovation in basic mathematics for 1400 years people will think I'm going to offer you $1 million next from a Nigerian inheritance in return for sending me just $10!

THAT is my dilemma! And THAT is why I need help knowing what the best options are. The Australian Numerals website information is and will always be all Creative Commons 3.0. However I want the right at least to sell my story books and videos that explain how to 'Play Podo' as I put it.

Maybe I just need to focus on the world's top 100 cynics first!

I can't upload the eBook here, so enter my web address following by 1 dot pdf and you should get it direct without even visiting my internet page. Do the same for the second (draft) eBook with a 2.

After 28 years, I built a better mousetrap so the world is now meant to beat a path to my door!

Thank you for at least having the courage to declare yourself a cynic. Most people don't even get as far as you've travelled already...

I taught an 8 year old Downs Syndrome child. After 45 minutes she was doing stuff her teacher couldn't. Her mum was so pleased. Her daughter felt like a star! Then a week later lesson number 2 was cancelled. The little girl's teacher didn't think it was a good idea for the girl to learn math another way as she might get 'confused'. That was in the 1980's and perhaps just that one girl's life may have been totally different had that teacher not convinced the parent NOT to learn mathematics a different way.

I don't care if adults don't care about what I've done. Yet it simply MUST become popular with children, so like pester power McDonalds marketing, kids will demand to play with Podo the Puppy!

My thoughts were and are I need to create a 'Mickey Mouse' character that children 5 to 9 will relate to. That's why after coming up with the breakthrough in 2008 I've spent the last two years creating my stories...

If Harry Potter can be a global phenomena, then why not a series of books about a dyslexic stupid puppy that fails math, then changes the world? That after all, is my story...

I'm passionate about this. That's what everybody says makes you millions oon the internet. The problem is I don't want to make millions. I just want the world to be a better happier place for children when they start to learn (and master!) numbers.

Jonathan

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Martin Luxton

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TheBrainteacher

My thoughts were and are I need to create a 'Mickey Mouse' character that children 5 to 9 will relate to. That's why after coming up with the breakthrough in 2008 I've spent the last two years creating my stories...

Jonathan

Jonathan,

Interesting system. As regards getting it implemented, it could be difficult. Teachers have very little say over what gets adopted in the classroom - you need to influence the powers that be. Have you thought of applying to give a talk on TED: Ideas worth spreading ?

I have misgivings about the story and your target age group. We have talked to a child psychologist about death in the family and he was saying it's a problematic topic for children under 10 - they don't have the "cognitive reciprocity" necessary to handle it.

Dead animals, bones and gravedigging might lead to some behavioural problems.

Here's a discussion about the topic

Discussing Death With Children

Martin

BTW, I couldn't get the sound to work on slideshare.

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TheBrainteacher

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

Jonathan,

Interesting system. As regards getting it implemented, it could be difficult. Teachers have very little say over what gets adopted in the classroom - you need to influence the powers that be. Have you thought of applying to give a talk on TED?

Hi Martin,

Thanks for the idea about TED. I will definitely contact them. From their site it seems that their speakers are already famous though. I might need to wait a few months before I get sufficient momentum.

Many if not the majority of home schoolers seem to have strong faith. The bible stories of Jesus being nailed to a cross seem more violent then anything I write about. Nowhere in my stories will children see 'meat' or blood. So I am taking care not to offend. Certainly there are no scenes of violence which is everywhere in cartoons!

So yes, I have and will keep children's welfare in mind. However every culture will find something offensive about another culture. It's the way we are I suppose. The link you provided was interesting reading. While I'm not a psychologist, I have been a voluntary grief counsellor...

There is no multimedia in the SlideShare version as it simply the eBook as a slideshow. The CD versions will have music, games and much more.

Once I get more posts up I will be able to provide links which will make it a little easier to share info here!

Thank you,
Jonathan

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NicheMayhem 13 years ago

People fear change. Many of the most brilliant and influential people throughout history, were regarded as complete and utter loons while they were alive. So, just keep at it and 40 or 50 years after you die, everyone will realize you were a genius. lol j/k

Interesting stuff though and one thing to factor into your pitch is the power of anticipation. Just use tons of adjectives and exclamation without really telling anyone what the hell it is you are talking about. If the right people get ahold of something promising to change the world, all they need is it to stay vague enough as to not over extend their intelligence. Sad but true.
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Martin Luxton

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TheBrainteacher

Hi Martin,

Thanks for the idea about TED. I will definitely contact them. From their site it seems that their speakers are already famous though.
Jonathan

Jonathan,

Not necessarily.

If you look at the application form you will see that your system/story is tailor made for their application process.

TED | Speaker nomination

I think you've just missed the cutoff date for this season. As you said, that gives you time to get a bit of momentum. After 28 years I guess you are in it for the long term.

Martin

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TheBrainteacher

13 years ago

Hi Martin,

I will submit an application to be a TED Presenter on the world's new math systems for children.

Also, you were right and I was wrong. It's not necessary to use the word 'grave' in the story at all. So Podo is now simply a bone digger who buries bones. After all burying bones IS what dogs do, so it remains accurate and a little kinder to little minds.

Thank you for pointing that out. It has made the stories a little 'safer' for little kids.

A replacement PDF will be up shortly.

Jonathan

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Martin Luxton

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TheBrainteacher

Also, you were right and I was wrong. It's not necessary to use the word 'grave' in the story at all. So Podo is now simply a bone digger who buries bones. After all burying bones IS what dogs do, so it remains accurate and a little kinder to little minds.

Jonathan,

It isn't about right or wrong. I was just giving you a point to consider. Maybe it's better for kids to ask questions about death earlier - the problem could be the parents who have no idea how to handle it!

As with all advice on a forum, you have to ask yourself some questions

1. Is the advice self-serving for the person who posted it rather than altruistic?

2. How do I know this person has any idea what they are talking about?

3. Does the advice resonate with me?

4. If I implement the advice will the integrity of my system be maintained?

The list could go on, but you get the idea.

Martin

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TheBrainteacher

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

Jonathan,

It isn't about right or wrong. I was just giving you a point to consider. Maybe it's better for kids to ask questions about death earlier - the problem could be the parents who have no idea how to handle it!

As with all advice on a forum, you have to ask yourself some questions

1. Is the advice self-serving for the person who posted it rather than altruistic?

2. How do I know this person has any idea what they are talking about?

3. Does the advice resonate with me?

4. If I implement the advice will the integrity of my system be maintained?

The list could go on, but you get the idea.

Martin

Hi Martin,

You just made me laugh because now I'm right and you're wrong because you WERE right and I WAS wrong.

Your comments DID resonate with me which I why I'm making changes for the better.

I've also received fabulous feedback on all sorts of things and you know what?

It's all been really positive and constructive!

So I'm going to remove the eBook in its current form and give it a makeover with changed story themes.

Yes the changes are not being made in a reactionary way... The changes I will be making because of this forum are left-of-field reactions that I wasn't aware would be felt.

So for me, this forum thread has been priceless!

And thank you for playing your part!

Best wishes,
Jonathan Crabtree
P.S. What do you think of the movie trailer on my home page? It cost me $5.00.

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Torreylee

13 years ago

I am soooooo confused right now.... :confused:

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TheBrainteacher

13 years ago

Hi all,

I had an interview on ABC radio today, the national broadcaster in Australia.

Head over to my home page and you can download both the eBooks for free review I will be making into an affilliate product soon.

A new version will be available soon with more content too.

Jonathan

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Old Dog New Tricks

13 years ago

Originally Posted by cosmokid

Seriously, though, as long as you can continue to get buzz around what you're doing (and it sounds like you've already done lots of tests and have testimonials,) you could market this in tons of ways - from DVD's to audios to books, ebooks, course materials and more

Sounds to me like this could be a marketers dream.

Originally Posted by TheBrainteacher

If I say that what I've done is create for first major innovation in basic mathematics for 1400 years people will think I'm going to offer you $1 million next from a Nigerian inheritance in return for sending me just $10!

THAT is my dilemma! And THAT is why I need help knowing what the best options are.
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Maybe I just need to focus on the world's top 100 cynics first!
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After 28 years, I built a better mousetrap so the world is now meant to beat a path to my door!
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I'm passionate about this. That's what everybody says makes you millions oon the internet. The problem is I don't want to make millions. I just want the world to be a better happier place for children when they start to learn (and master!) numbers.

Jonathan, Keep your passion high. When people see that passion it will sell. Excitement sells. Excitement is catching. People like to be excited.

Skeptics and cynics will always abound and actually they are good for you. They help keep you reconfirming your own faith in what you are doing and this makes you stronger.

Just be careful you don't get your own fingers caught in your better mouse trap. Study history. Read about the man who was behind many of Thomas Edison's discoveries and patents. For example. He did make a lot of new mousetraps. He promoted AC electricity when even Edison said it wasn't practical. People laughed at him and he then harnessed Niagara Falls. There is a lot of mystery/fantasy about him all over the place. This is mostly fiction but based on facts. His name is Tesla. Find a good serious bio on him and read it. Some of his theories and machines are still waiting to see light and if they do our world could change dramatically. I only suggest because you will no doubt run into some of the same issues he did. Also the story behind Nobel is sort of the same way.

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Hi all,

I had an interview on ABC radio today, the national broadcaster in Australia.

Head over to my home page and you can download both the eBooks for free review I will be making into an affilliate product soon.

A new version will be available soon with more content too.

Jonathan

Hey your are doing many of the right things to promote yourself. However like most inventors who discover truly revolutionary things find out, the huge infrastructure out there likes the status quo. The metric system never really caught on big in the States because big industry was so heavily invested in the English tooling they had in place. To retool a nation would take trillions upon trillions of dollars. Even our current politicians couldn't spend that much money. (Well on the hand maybe.....) Your new system may find itself widely accepted some day but I sadly say you probably won't be around to see it if it does.

Not wanting to be dismal here I would say take it to the niche market of people who are always looking for new ways of doing things. That's still millions and millions of people. If that market likes it, it will keep you busy pushing all those wheel barrel loads of money to the bank. And you will still have an impact on many.

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TheBrainteacher 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Torreylee

I am soooooo confused right now.... :confused:

Ask away! What would you like to know?
Jonathan
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Nightengale 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Torreylee

I am soooooo confused right now.... :confused:

Color me confused, too! I really don't have the slightest idea what the OP is talking about.

First, he talks about switching to a different math/numbering system. But then he mentions the abysmal academic rankings American children hold in math (and ostensibly, he can correct it).

Sounds like two completely different topics to me. So which is it? (Or maybe it's neither and the point is something entirely different???)

Michelle
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Tom E

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TheBrainteacher

Hi Martin,

You just made me laugh because now I'm right and you're wrong because you WERE right and I WAS wrong.

Your comments DID resonate with me which I why I'm making changes for the better.

So I'm going to remove the eBook in its current form and give it a makeover with changed story themes.

Jonathan,
I told the director of my 4 year old son's pre-school about your book and she was dying to get a copy of it. She would potentially try it out at her school. I was going to send it to her this weekend, but will wait until your updated copy becomes available. Any idea when that will be?

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TheBrainteacher

13 years ago

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

Jonathan,
I told the director of my 4 year old son's pre-school about your book and she was dying to get a copy of it. She would potentially try it out at her school. I was going to send it to her this weekend, but will wait until your updated copy becomes available. Any idea when that will be?

Wow! Thank you gr8tocre8.

I intend giving away $1.7 billion worth of eBooks in India to start with.

As I'm doing this all from my son's bedroom, it's important I don't melt down my PC or the server behind it.

Therefore I believe I now have country domain blocks installed in China, Russia, Japan, Indonesia, United States, Brazil, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Mexico, Philippines, Egypt, Germany, France, United Kingdom, Italy and South Africa.

My launch website has changed to www dot podo dot in so every child in India (and Pakistan!) will be able to master up to 7 years of number theory and application in a few hours.

The eBook is almost finished. I just want to include a lot more practise pages for the ideas.

Can you please let me know if you are blocked from the download link at www DOT podometic DOT com? Hopefully you will be blocked at the moment as that means all the other countries will be blocked as I roll this out.

If the download link IS blocked (as I hope it is) you can PM me with your email address I'll send you a direct download link. It is a large download as it is 215 slides (430 pages if printed as a children's story book.)

Thanks for the offer to pass a review copy onto your friend.

Jonathan
P.S. Thank you to all those people who have contacted me with advice. It is appreciated. To those people who worry about my giving away 28 years of work on this mathematics project for free or wondering how they can make money as an affilliate - my 1st goal is first to change maths globally! My second goal is to help fund health care initiatives for the poor.

P.P.S. Everybody that grabs a free eBook "The Legend of Podo and the Secret Numbers" will also be able to upgrade to a Double CD Podo Power Pack which is where IMs can help out in a few weeks.

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eleary

13 years ago

Jonathon,
I haven't had time to review your material - and to be honest - math bores me! he! he! But I think it sounds like you have something interesting to offer to the educational world.
I have a master's in education so I have learned a little - I will add my two cents for what it's worth.

I think everything is about how you market it. So I will give you a few ideas.....
It doesn't say where you are from - but assuming that the US is your market...

Math and science are huge buzzwords in the US. You are correct that we are way behind the times in both. An interesting way to teach math would be exciting for some.

I think getting a contract with the government to put it in all the schools would be a little difficult!

So I would go another route. Have you ever heard of Mathnasium? It's a franchise that teaches innovative math. They may be a good place to market. Sylvan is also very big - they are more like a tutoring service.

Also, in the US we have charter schools - they are usually more innovative.
Depending on what your goal is, you can market it to one of these places. If you have enough data and financial backing, you could try starting something of your own (like a mathnasium).

There's a school in Atlanta, The Ron Clark Academy. He's famous - there was a movie about him...Mathew Perry (actor) used to be on the board of the school and the school is totally funded by local businesses. That school is pretty innovative too. I am sure there are more like that if you investigate.

So, it's all in the marketing - decide on a starting point, and be very very prepared!! Keep us posted - it sounds very exciting!

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TheBrainteacher

13 years ago

Originally Posted by eleary

Jonathon,
I haven't had time to review your material - and to be honest - math bores me!

Hi Eleary

Thank you for your info and suggestions. I will follow up with those organisations you mention.

I agree it's odd that the USA is the only country not to have gone metric. People say it's either arrogance or extreme stupidity... yet I stay clear of that debate.

My initial market is India. I am close to reaching agreement with a global NGO to leverage the rollout of the Podometic and Australian Numerals systems to raise monies to provide free medical care to people living in the world's largest mangrove swampland.

I hope that funds from the proceeds will be sufficient to provide mobile floating hospitals as these people are some of the most disadvantaged anywhere and they have almost no roads.

While you have the English version, the next written and spoken languages will be Hindi and Bengali. I am also sourcing Arabic, Spanish, French, German and Mandarin translation/narration services.

My goal is to cover 80+% of global languages by population within year one and then let sub-agents handle translation services into other markets.

The eBook is a bridge towards the animated CD towards a full length animation. In my dreams this wins an Academy Award for best short animation! Hey ya gotta have dreams!

As another wrote in this forum half joking, it may take 40-59 years for my creation to take off. Yet that's OK. I plant shade trees under which I know I will never sit. I do believe that what I have created out of adversity (I didn't actually WANT to learn or teach math) may eventually echo for eternity.

At the moment I like the idea of 'careware' where 1/3 the retail price gets donated direct to an NGO that fights extreme poverty. This is how things look like happening in India. If you think of the world's top three NGOs then it's likely you'll think of the one I have a agreement to proceed with.

I have thought about the monetisation through global franchises, yet that really isn't where my head or heart is.

However I will be making my digital products both affordable and also available via Clickbank and elsewhere. So Affiliates can mail links and make some money, yet I doubt I'll make anyone rich.

The Affiliate model is important in developing nations as it will provide a form of micro-business for people to learn and evangelise the math systems.

So that's kind of vision/mission stuff. In the meantime I will have to do marketing/promotion/distribution/ecommerce etc etc.

I guess I'm a bit all over the place at the moment. Yet the comments here are definitely helping! And yes, I will contact those organisations you suggest for their thoughts.

Bye for now,
Jonathan Crabtree
Geelong, Australia

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TheBrainteacher

All I ask is you don't share this info outside this forum at the moment. Thanks. Jonathan

Ha. Silly puppy. You have posted something on the internet.

Originally Posted by TheBrainteacher

I agree it's odd that the USA is the only country not to have gone metric. People say it's either arrogance or extreme stupidity... yet I stay clear of that debate.

My waistline is just fine where things are. The number is much lower in inches than it would be in centimeters. So, unless your system will make my waist appear even smaller I don't want anything to do with it. :p

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TheBrainteacher

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

My waistline is just fine where things are. The number is much lower in inches than it would be in centimeters. So, unless your system will make my waist appear even smaller I don't want anything to do with it. :p

All people with waist size 40 inches are size 1*. Maybe you're a size 0.6? Aaah the power of ten and decimals!

OK more marketing advice and less about waistlines or else this will drift too far from my original post wanting marketing advice for a non-niche.

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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TheBrainteacher

Thank you for at least having the courage to declare yourself a cynic. Most people don't even get as far as you've travelled already...

I'm not being cynical. I'm being skeptical. I've looked at your materials, and to be perfectly honest, I simply don't see what innovation you've created.

Fundamentally, it appears that your "Australian numerals" system can be described as "teach math by telling a story about a dog."

And then, as a parent, I have to react with some amount of shock and discomfort that the dog is being ridiculed throughout the story. Was it not enough to say "this dog is going to learn math" and be done with it?

I'm more than a little disturbed by the story behind the story: "if you don't learn math, people will call you names." The underlying lesson that it is natural and normal to ridicule one's peers for their shortcomings is certainly not one that I want my children taught. And the implied threat that you will be PUNISHED if you do not learn this is the wrong way to teach.

Children like to know how things work and why they work that way. But your system doesn't have any "why" in it at all. Instead of learning math because it's a good thing, you're learning it because not learning it is a bad thing. And the notion of a "ty" being ten times as large as a unit leads immediately to the question "why?" if your child is at all engaged in the process, but your system offers no answer.

In short, I find your system to be replete with all the same problems most math instruction has, and to rely every bit as much on rote memorisation of arbitrary rules and nomenclature as the existing systems. I fail to see how it is in any way revolutionary or inspirational. It is a story about a dog. While it would certainly make a cute children's book, I simply don't find any significant value beyond that.

I taught an 8 year old Downs Syndrome child. After 45 minutes she was doing stuff her teacher couldn't.

That is a rather extraordinary claim.

What exactly did you teach an eight-year-old child with Downs Syndrome in 45 minutes that an adult schoolteacher could not do?

I'm not necessarily saying you're full of crap, but if you expect me to believe that, you will need to be a LOT more specific.

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lonicera 13 years ago

I agree with Caliban, however wish you all the best with your system!
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TheBrainteacher

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

I'm not being cynical. I'm being skeptical. I've looked at your materials, and to be perfectly honest, I simply don't see what innovation you've created.
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Q. What exactly did you teach an eight-year-old child with Downs Syndrome in 45 minutes that an adult schoolteacher could not do?

A. Looking at additions and multiplications and knowing if they were right or wrong. The teacher would have learnt in a couple of minutes too. I taught the little girl to do a 'squash test' and 'ghost sum' which is the simple technique of casting out the nines. Plus she learnt many times tables on the spot via visualised Trachtenberg techniques. This was the old stuff though. She was one of the children being 'left behind' and most kids I taught were having problems with conventional instruction.

Q. Re innovation...
A. As I said on the ABC radio interview Aussie Numerals now work at the integer level meaning +ve and -ve are now part on the 'glyphs' themselves without needing descriptors.

A. More than 1 billion people use a 00,00,00,000 notation system while you use a 000,000,000,000 system. Podo has a place name for every place with a unique letter descriptor. So the game of lettumbers is teaching 6 year olds algebra without their even knowing it's meant to be hard. You have't seen this part yet as it's in the new edit I'm finishing off.

A. Kids can use whatever system they choose to 'bunch' numbers. The ideal is 00,00,00,00 as each cluster is a 'perfect square' when played with in an MAB, cuisenaire, Diennes block manner. This means children will understand the powers of ten as well and what each successive zero means in numbers.

Re: "I'm not necessarily saying you're full of crap, but if you expect me to believe that, you will need to be a LOT more specific."

Starting from a POV that I'm full of crap is OK! You're helping me because every interview I do for the rest of my life will start off assuming I'm full of crap.

Ultimately the purpose of life is to find happiness and to leave the world a better place for having been in it.

So what other people think of me is none of my business. I am truly happy, because I am at peace after having this 'self-imposed weight of expectation' on my shoulders for so long.

Many friends have thought I was a little 'odd' persevering so long. Even if I end up writing some fun books, kids will have learnt a different way of doing mathematics. My stuff is consistent with all axoims and all Podo's poems can be decoded back into algebra anyway. What I've done is make math fun at the start and intuitively spot on for kids as well. They won't need explanations because it is what it is.

In Australia we operate on a 'tall poppy' syndrome basis. We always attempt to prick someone's ego and bring people down to our expectations. That's OK, I get that. What I know is that 'animism' works at the age of little children. Just as we make medicine strawberry flavour, why not do the same for math to make it more digestible for littlies?

I HAVE been listening to people and getting many emails and messages. I AM disassociating myself from ego (as much as possible) to take on board all input as constructive. If I seem arrogant or 'full of carp' it's just that I am smiling all the time, and probably a little sleep deprived.

The 'Legend of Podo' is book one. The second book will help consolidate the ideas in the first, while introducing many more fun ways to play podo. Math no longer need be scary for kids - and kids are my target audience. So while it's important to get grown-ups on board, to some extent they will never get how much fun having AHA! moments of discovery can be.

I won't explain everything in a left-brain lecture mode. Others can do the de-construction. Yet much mor important, I want children to be explorers and to have their own moments of discovery!

Give me about another week for the illustrators to catch up and I'll be happy to PM you a download link.

Do you have children? If so, what are their ages?

Jonathan

Lastly to everyone else, I really need to focus for a bit, so if I don't reply personally to stuff just now, I'll get back to you soon.

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Well I haven't got the faintest idea what's going on.

This is the Warrior Forum isn't it :confused:
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  Originally Posted by Richard Van
  
  Well I haven't got the faintest idea what's going on.
  
  This is the Warrior Forum isn't it :confused:
  
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  I am with Richard. Where am I again?
  
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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TheBrainteacher

A. Looking at additions and multiplications and knowing if they were right or wrong. The teacher would have learnt in a couple of minutes too.

Sounds like basic speed math to me.

+ve and -ve are now part on the 'glyphs' themselves without needing descriptors.

Doesn't this imply that you're not allowed to mix glyphs in a single number?

I mean, let's say you have the number 123. That's naturally understood to be +123 unless you deliberately put the - in front of it.

But if the +/- state is part of the glyph, then you're now writing effectively "+1+2+3" or "-1-2-3" - right?

So what precisely does it mean if you write, say, "+1-2+3" instead? Is that still +123? Or is it -123? Or maybe +83 or +77?

Are half of your glyphs basically useless when dealing with the natural numbers children can intuitively understand?

More than 1 billion people use a 00,00,00,000 notation system

Digit grouping is not about math, it's about language. We group by threes because we have names for the threes: thousands, millions, billions. It's a convenient way to identify the scale of the number quickly and be able to name it. Grouping by twos is not going to work for the English-speaking world because it does not make any sense.

Furthermore, on my planet, Cuisenaire rods and other physical objects have three dimensions. It may be convenient that a 10 by 10 square has an area of 100 - but let's not forget that a 10 by 10 by 10 cube has a volume of 1,000.

So the game of lettumbers is teaching 6 year olds algebra without their even knowing it's meant to be hard.

Algebra is easier for children to learn in the first place. If you pay any attention at all to the way children learn, you can't help but notice that the proper first study of young children is not counting and sums, but elementary numeric theory.

What are digits, digit sequences, and precision? Armed with those three simple definitions, very young children intuitively grasp the tradeoff between longer digit sequences (more symbols to memorise) and shorter ones (writing out a number takes more time and space).

It also makes it very easy to teach arithmetic in arbitrary numeric bases. My seven year old is fond of base five, because he can count the digits off on one hand while the other holds a marker. I would never have thought of this.

I've taught him a number of shortcuts for converting base five to base ten, and now we're having to deal with the very real problem that in public school... he's causing the teacher much frustration. When asked to do a math problem on the board, he begins by converting to base 5, and ends by converting back to base ten.

She doesn't understand this, and is trying to force him into doing the entire problem in base ten... which is harder for him to work with, and is causing HIM frustration. That frustration leads to him being stressed and upset by math class, and by the time they get around to anything really useful, he's going to hate math just like everyone else.

Which is precisely why he wasn't supposed to go to public school in the first place. His ability to rapidly and easily perform complex mathematics is not as important to his teachers as using the same language and symbology they use. Similarly, they are far too concerned with whether he is reading appropriate books than whether he is reading books that interest and engage him.

His resistance to doing things their way, and lack of interest in the boring crap they want him to consume, has now become a diagnosis of some half-dozen "ilnesses" that effectively boil down to "he won't sit down and shut up and do as he's told." It can't possibly be that he's bored, the lessons aren't challenging, and the insistence on doing things the same way everyone else does frustrates him. He must have a disease.

What I know is that 'animism' works at the age of little children. Just as we make medicine strawberry flavour, why not do the same for math to make it more digestible for littlies?

Because math is already a game.

You don't have to make it more digestible. You just have to stop teaching it through endless rote memory drills about dry tables.

You had trouble learning math because people suck at teaching math.

You have to teach the system. You have to understand how digit sequences work. Any digit plus one becomes the digit to its right. Any digit minus one becomes the digit to its left. And armed with the single memory aid of "0123456789" most children can easily work through the system of adding and subtracting single digits.

All you have to teach is zero, plus one, and minus one. The rest they can figure out for themselves. It's fun for them. It's a game. You get to play.

But we don't teach math that way. We teach that math is horrible and nobody likes it but you must learn how to do it or else. The failure is not in the digit system, it is in the attitude.

Math no longer need be scary for kids

Math is not inherently scary. Math teachers are scary. The way we teach math is scary. We set children up to fail and then watch them fail over and over again. Math is a constant series of huge, complex rule-sets that must be memorised.

I won't explain everything in a left-brain lecture mode.

You can't teach logic and mathematics on the right side of the brain, because they happen on the left. You're forcing too many hemispherical context switches. That will confuse children. Especially boys, who are biologically less capable of rapid context-switching. There's a reason men tend to be better at single-minded focus while women tend to be better at multitasking.

Do you have children? If so, what are their ages?

I have a four year old and a seven year old. I don't see them very often, since the wife packed them up and left in '09. Educational theory is a large part of why that happened, because it's "confusing" to children if they don't conform to other people's expectations (as you've been told yourself). It's far more confusing to me why a parent would prefer to raise children who aren't as smart and capable as they can be.

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TheBrainteacher 13 years ago

To CDarklock

Aaaaarggghhh! I just wrote a loooong PM to you yet when I clicked send it vanished as I don't have permission to send PMs unless I get one first. So here's a mini post...

You make lots of great points and unfortunately the experience you have with your kids at school is far too common. And yes math is fun and it is a game. Yet too often after a year or two of school instruction, it becomes boring or disliked. Base 5 is fine if your children find it useful as a middle step. I suggest kids use fingers (digits) if they help. Once a teacher said using fingers weren't allowed. Her students were being taught to use a four function calculator instead. Those calculators must have been voice controlled! It's ok to tell a kid to press calculator buttons with fingers, yet not ok to use fingers which are always handy? ***SIGH***
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

And then, as a parent, I have to react with some amount of shock and discomfort that the dog is being ridiculed throughout the story. Was it not enough to say "this dog is going to learn math" and be done with it?

I'm more than a little disturbed by the story behind the story: "if you don't learn math, people will call you names." The underlying lesson that it is natural and normal to ridicule one's peers for their shortcomings is certainly not one that I want my children taught. And the implied threat that you will be PUNISHED if you do not learn this is the wrong way to teach.

Jonathan,
PM sent with e-mail address. I think CDarklock brings up a very good point here. Didn't see you addressing this in your reply to him - would love to hear what your thoughts are on this, and if you have plans of any subsequent edits. I think this point is especially important for an American audience.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

Jonathan,
PM sent with e-mail address. I think CDarklock brings up a very good point here. Didn't see you addressing this in your reply to him - would love to hear what your thoughts are on this, and if you have plans of any subsequent edits. I think this point is especially important for an American audience.

An underlyng moral is one of acceptance of differences and tolerance.
All the dingoes chant, "Stupid puppy! Stupid puppy!"
Then later all the dingoes chant, "Super puppy! Super puppy!"

Even the strict dingo that tied Podo to the tree talks demonstrates "character arc".

Podo asserts that little Mathew must not be bullied and saves him twice! (Girl power! good for developing nations where girls need empowering.)

The story has a narrative of animals coming to accept and love Podo even though she is different and maybe because she is different everybody is better off. So it starts off a 'dog eat dog world' and then softens.

Overall I think the story is quite tame compared to the implied violence of Little Red Riding Hood, Three little pigs etc. Kids will be able to write their own stories with the resources and invent multiple scenarios. Asking questions about ethics and morals is quite OK.

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I appreciate feedback and have made many improvements. Yet I suggest people now PM story opinions, so this thread remains about marketing.

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13 years ago

You go ahead and back away CDarklock, I'll stay here and poke it with a stick

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TheBrainteacher

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ncmedia

This is actually really cool OP I wish you best of luck with it. Don't worry about the money it will come if you stay passionate about it. ...you're doing a great thing and kudos on not making an MMO product

+1 dude (no pun).

Thanks for the kind words. It took me a while, yet I finally found out what MMO means! So my goal is now to lets kids know MMO means ModernMathOnline!

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13 years ago

Scott Flansburg "the human calculator" tried to revolutionize math in the late 80's. - and while it's true that anyone can quite easily learn to calculate massively complex math problems within seconds...none of these methods will ever be allowed by the us government to be integrated fully into the public school system. Same goes for the memory techniques (see world memory championships)..for the very same reason that no child left behind was activated even though the overwhelming majority of learning experts warned it was the exact opposite of what they had proposed to the government.

Governments simply don't want smart, critical thinkers in society because they are difficult to contol and deceive.

You can certainly attain ritches from your product with good marketing...but don't expect to revolutionize history.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Doran Peck

Scott Flansburg "the human calculator" tried to revolutionize math in the late 80's. - and while it's true that anyone can quite easily learn to calculate massively complex math problems within seconds...none of these methods will ever be allowed by the us government to be integrated fully into the public school system. Same goes for the memory techniques (see world memory championships)..for the very same reason that no child left behind was activated even though the overwhelming majority of learning experts warned it was the exact opposite of what they had proposed to the government.

Governments simply don't want smart, critical thinkers in society because they are difficult to contol and deceive.

You can certainly attain ritches from your product with good marketing...but don't expect to revolutionize history.

Hi Doran,

I used to teach the 'tricks' of speed math too back in the 1980's. I was on TV doing speed math stunts, yet it was unfair to expect people to be able to do the same as me. And yes I too played with memory stunts and one time broke the world record for memory. The thing that got me interested in memory was memorising all the short-cuts behind speed math! So I was into Vedic maths, Trachtenberg maths and all the others decades ago.

That's when I realised it had to be a NEW number system, not just the same old tricks re-hashed! In Australia there's a Brainetics DVD set advertised on TV. Guess what? It's mostly the same 'one-off' special case tricks people have known about for decades if not centuries. Teaching the 'tricks' does not help when the numbers aren't conveniently arranged for the demonstration!

Governments are by their nature conservative. They are risk-averse except when it comes to war, when there's votes to be won.

This time around, like ultimately what happened when Roman Numerals were superceded, it will be a groundswell. Parents will DEMAND to know why their expensive private school is teaching the old math that kids hate!

If ever there was a case study for Web 2.0 social media changing the world - this is it! This is not a bunch a math short-cuts dressed up as an expensive product to make someone rich.

This is the real deal... This WILL change the course of history. I just came off Elance having submitted jobs for translating my free eBook into:
- Spanish
- Mandarin
- French
- German
- Japanese
- Arabic
...and soon there will be more languages to come!

I've even had people wanting to translate my math into Tibetan!

I wrote to the world's most respected mathematicians and only one replied.

I have written to both the Australian Education Minister Peter Garrett and also our Prime Minister Julia Gillard. While I've received polite replies, it's basically "this is in the too hard basket".

Next year Australia will have a national math curriculum for the first time after a 30 year project! And whammo! Every parent in Australia will be wanting to know why their kids AREN'T learning Australian Numerals and playing Podo!

So I have a plan... It's simple. I have built a better mousetrap and I have stated that the current number system teachers keep 'repeating' is gone! It's history!

India and China will embrace the new math because they will be nimble enough to re-write their math curriculums accordingly.

Those governments that operate in bureaucratic swamplands will simply be left behind...

Podo is a puppy!
Playing Podo is fun!
Podo requires needs the mental skill of a 6 year old!
Podo is digital.
It's viral.
It's free (eBook)
It's cloud based.
It's soon to be available in every major language. What languages I don't pay to have trasnslated will be translated anyway.
It's 100% mashable! I'm giving children ALL the characters, voice bubbles, Australian Numerals fonts, image backgrounds, SVG graphics - the works - so all children who love playing on computers will simply make their own lessons and stories as play!

Unfortunately the egos of math experts may soon take a battering... Why did it take a former math failure with a smashed spine to come up with a better math???

The status quo is, "Tthe harder math is the more powerful I am if I teach it!"

Math books are an industry! We've just introduced math testing in Australia and the number of new math books just went through the roof!

Well guess what? Nobody in schools teaches kids what I teach.

Here's a question while my rant is on a red hot roll...

I was born in the sixties. My sister was born in the fifties. My first child was born in the eighties and my last child in the nineties.

So what is the name of the decade a child is born into NOW? Seriously a child born in 2011 is born is the "what" decade?

We don't have an answer after 1400 years? Crazy. This decade is the oneties. Simple.

It currently takes kids years to learn their times tables beyond the 6 up into 9 territory. In Australia the policy is basically give kids calculators and don't even start teaching the times tables. What a cop out!

Well soon kids will learn all the 'hard' times tables in 5 minutes. Soon all kids will be 'reading' numbers to know if the answer is right or wrong without even doing the calculation - that's an old trick, yet one I'll keep.

Our current basic math system belongs in the era of horse and carriage. All we've done in Australia is upgrade the 'carriage'. We've done all sort of cute things to the carriage, yet it's still a carriage.

Just as the best horse and carriage eventually got replaced by the car, our current basic math system has just been consigned to history. From this point on the world is simply on a free upgrade path!

Open source software is slowly killing the main software vendors, who find back via the clouds and 'membership sites' of their own.

In my case, my systems are free, clouds based and will constantly have the latest upgrade available free in all major languages.

By the year 2016 all chipsets may be modded to handle Australian Numeral data entry. If intel doesn't do it, then there will be hundreds if not thousands of people in the race to do it first.

Take excel plugins. Make an excel plugin to handle Australian Numerals then sell the plugin - make a fortune!

An entire network of value adding enterprise will start, blossum and thrive around a new number system. I own the rights to my characters and some words. Yet the world can do what it wants with the Australian Numerals and the new system itself. That's the point.

It will be fun to read this thread in a few years. Because this is it!

This is where the chaos will have started!
Jonathan

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LiamP 13 years ago

Hi Jonathan,

Firstly well done for creating your system and backing yourself, you're tilting at an awfully big windmill, but that doesn't mean it can't be knocked down.

In order to make it go quicker than 40 years as a slow grass roots thing, you might want to get some key influential people won over to speed things up. i.e. Top down rather than bottom up. I'd like to make the following suggestions:
- Who OTHER than politicians or government administrators who can move your case forward? If you can convert them they can open a lot of doors that you won't be able to yourself. e.g. Instead of going on TED, have a look on TED to see who has spoken there who might be interested and contact them. Get some influential champions for your system. Who can you leverage?
- Can your system be used to calculate something more quickly on a computer? You can't patent a formula but you can the software. If you can save a business money, you'll get a lot of interest and ability to spread your system.
- Tim Ferriss has made a career out of identifying key people and getting their help to advance his ideas. Check out his blog (fourhourworkweek.com) for posts on how he did it.
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TheBrainteacher

13 years ago

Hi Dog and Liam

Can my system compute more quickly than a computer? Possibly not, although the digits 6, 7, 8, and 9 are technically obsolete with my system. As long as you can add and count, that's kind of all you need. One thing though is that there may be half as many '+' and '-' signs used with my system as positive and negative are now within the numerals, which take 5 minutes to master guaranteed! (Probably 60 seconds as kids are pretty good at learning!)

I'll check out Tim Ferris and the Tesler guy. (Was his invention in that magician film???)

Yes I am passionate about this. I started when I was 21 and this month I'm 50! That's a loooong time to stick to an almost stupid nutso quest! So I may settle down soon and let others get infected by Podo the Puppy! The main reason I'm super excited is sheer and utter relief! I've finally been able to hand in my homework after 28 years and I know THIS TIME I've been able to fail math - rather than the other way around. Math deserves to be failed - give it a "F". It's been designed in an ad-hoc way over the centuries and been badly taught via the wrong half of our brain!

When we're born, we come pre-programmed for geometry. Our number sense is based on area and size not counting... From there we destroy our natural ability to perform visual math. That's why my objective is to let kids master the entire first 7 years of number theory and practice BEFORE they start school and teachers mess with their heads...

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13 years ago

I would recommend the phrase "Reclaim Your Child's Brain" or something similar instead of "reclaim your brain," which I saw in the introductory video. You are marketing to parents, after all.

have you investigated having a child educated with your system in some kind of competition with a 'mainstream' educated child in a "math bee" of some kind?

Good luck to you!

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drmani 13 years ago

Wow!

I ignored this thread when I first glanced at the title,
but am glad I've gone through it, and read the first manual.

Really interesting stuff.

And in a sense, I do believe it could simplify numbering and
math (though the comparison to Arabic and Roman numeral
systems sounds like a dollop of marketing hype!)

One question (as a doctor):

What about kids with color blindness?

One question (as a marketer):

Where's the VIRAL element? What makes someone want to
tell someone else about it?

As the star "Social Network" (the movie) says when his friend
asks how many people they can tell about Facebook:

"The real question is: How many people will THEY tell?"

Good luck with this effort.

All success
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- TheBrainteacher 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by drmani
  
  Wow!
  
  What about kids with color blindness?
  
  Where's the VIRAL element? What makes someone want to tell someone else about it?
  ...
  All success
  Dr.Mani
  
  Hi Dr Mani
  
  VIRAL?
  It's not viral yet. But suggesions will be great! I was thinking of having a tell-a-friend system built into the eBook with a courtesy thank you gift for sharing your copy of the eBook with others.As I'll begiving all the tools to people to make their own math stories, maybe others will start publishing too and distributing for free. Maybe a voting system on what should be included in the next eBook might help? Maybe I recommend YouTube videos of little kids (no names) counting to one million or showing off their math story boards... I think a cool vid would be a 5 or 6 year old explaining why negative times negative is positive. It would be a fun way to help adults understand.
  
  COLOUR BLINDNESS? (Thank you!!!)
  Multisensory imagination is important. That's why I use physical and auditory triggers as well. The rainbow sequence is a mnemonic device to accelerate learning. The goal is to anchor the base ten system. Yet once again a great question! I'm going to put tiny place value identifiers on the colour shapes so when "packed" the numbers will still be able to be perfectly sorted/sequenced.
  
  Thanks
  
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bettersocial

13 years ago

I'm not exactly sure what this new number system is all about, but I'm definitely intrigued.

I don't think it would be possible to retrain an adult to understand a new number system, but a child could definitely benefit from such innovations.

The problem with such innovations is that the entire infrastructure is based around the older system - which is quite efficient to begin with - so you'll have a very, very difficult job convincing people to change it.

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LauraJames

13 years ago

I do not, or least certainly hope not, believe numbers as we know them are going away. If I were a betting woman, I would place a bet on this. Interesting theory though, but I am not going to spend too much time dwelling on this. Another reason to keep learning and improving both personally and professionally.

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