I'm so sick of the "gurus" and the crap they sell

I agree with you, John, but in today's world venting is almost required to maintain your sanity. The problem is where and how you do it. There are too many crazies out there to take the risk. To paraphrase what someone entioned in another thread recently, it takes a long time and lot of hard work to develop a reputation, but you can completely blow it in an instant.

If you channel this into a running text file on your hard drive, not only do you avoid immediate consequences for losing control, you can actual learn from it. I'm thinking WSO. Beats the hell out of all the alternatives.

I agree with John. There is so much crap out there, you'd be whining all day long and not getting anything done at all.

As has been mentioned, but bears repeating... Education, personal education (yours) is the most important thing you can do to combat the garbage out there.

"A big name and huge response to a launch does not a good product make." I can think of more than a few of the so called gurus that I wouldn't believe anything they say, because of the methods they use and the products I've seen from them. My education wasn't quick, nor was it cheap.

So how do they get such big sales for such poor products? Immense lists, and "serial purchasers". A serial purchaser is one that will buy the next product, even when the last one didn't work, in the hope that the new hype is actually true...

The truth is, there really ARE some great products and vendors out there, but sometimes it is difficult to figure out who they are without buying some of the crap from the bad guys along the way. [sigh]

I think we are all sick of the hype and jive that some marketers use to sell poor products, and the fact that there are other marketers with good products that think they need to use similar tactics to make sales, which further confuses the issue, but it is what we have to deal with right now. Perhaps someday it will settle down and we will see more rational and truthful marketing claims.

On the other hand, looking back in history, there have always been con men and "snake oil salesmen" that tainted the markting arena, and given human nature, there probably always will be. You just have to examine the copy, and ask yourself: "Is this too good to be true?" If it is, it is probably a poor product being sold under the guise of an emotional appeal... Making money selling anything takes work and effort, and anyone promising otherwise should probably be looked at with suspicion.

I like to mark them as spam. That way I can occasionally go to my spam folder and read some of the junk they send me. It puts a smug, but knowing, smile on my face.

It would require some type of hardware device to be connected to the other person's computer. I think the device is called a USB pimp hand.

Great franchise opportunity: Dystopia-R-Us! Get your private nukes now! Before someone vaporizes you first!

There's a simple solution to the problem...

People who BUY things on the internet are NOT internet marketers. But many of them think they are.

It's only when you SELL on the internet are you ever going to acheive success as an internet marketer.

So the solution is to become a SELLER, and not a BUYER of things. (Unless you buy them with the sole purpose of reselling them such as an ecommerce store would, of course.)

If you're inviting people to sell you stuff it's a self-inflicted wound to complain about it.

People that are actively engaged in making money on the internet never seem to have the time to complain about guru crap. I wonder why that is...

~Bill