The Internet shuts down..now what do you guys do?

by jony09
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Hi guys,
Ok this might seem a little off topic (and alarmist) here but I think it concerns us Internet Marketers probably more than most people. I just read this article about a potentially lethal solar flare that could disrupt all electronic devices ranging from satellites to computers etc. A huge solar storm is expected in 2013 and worst case scenario is that it could simply shut down the net completely among other equally if not more important things..what do you guys think is the best way to be prepared for such a disaster??? I prolly sound paranoid but remember only the paranoid survive

Here are the articles:

Could a solar storm send us back to the Stone Age? - CSMonitor.com

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Nasa Warns Of Super Solar Storm 2012 « Socio-Economics History Blog

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...h-in-2013.html

Looking forward to hearing your views

Regards

EDIT: Its worth mentioning that such an event has already occurred...in 1859 the biggest solar storm in recorded history had struck Earth and overwhelmed its Magnetosphere...telegraph cables in Europe and America were burnt because of this, everything electrical actually...however no major effects were felt as nothing was based on electricity...which is what everything now is based on, so the effects will be that many times more devastating
#downnow #guys #internet #shuts
  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Create my own network and sell it to people. LOL.

    I don't see this happening, and if it does, it is going to come back rather quickly. If not, I still have a lawn care company on auto pilot.

    ***EDIT

    Could you imagine though? That would REALLY change things entirely, for a LOT of people. Mark Zuckerberg would be wishing he sold facebook years ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Even if this occurs, since this is something that has been anticipated well in advance, I doubt that the momentary interruption would be anything to worry about.

    Just 11-12 years ago, there were the paranoid and alarmist people who claimed that Y2K would shut down all the offices and governments all over the world, and be potentially catastrophic, but of course we know how that turned out - the transition was smooth and pretty much painless, unlike what they were trying to make you believe.
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    • Profile picture of the author jony09
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Even if this occurs, since this is something that has been anticipated well in advance, I doubt that the momentary interruption would be anything to worry about.

      Just 11-12 years ago, there were the paranoid and alarmist people who claimed that Y2K would shut down all the offices and governments all over the world, and be potentially catastrophic, but of course we know how that turned out - the transition was smooth and painless, unlike what they were trying to make you believe.
      Dude, this is entirely different...the y2k was just a hypothetical problem...this one has actually already shown what it can do on a small scale...google out the superstorm of 1859...I am not sure if measures for preventing widespread disaster are in place as of now as many very learned people seem to be a little worried...even now solar storms routinely interrupt satellite and radio communication...it is not too much to imagine what might happen if they simply intensified as they are expected to.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Even if this occurs, since this is something that has been anticipated well in advance, I doubt that the momentary interruption would be anything to worry about.

      Just 11-12 years ago, there were the paranoid and alarmist people who claimed that Y2K would shut down all the offices and governments all over the world, and be potentially catastrophic, but of course we know how that turned out - the transition was smooth and pretty painless, unlike what they were trying to make you believe.
      Yeah, and I really don't think we would have major downtime because of how prepared we are. Well, I don't even know if we are really prepared. It is something well anticipated but that doesn't really mean much!

      Imagine no phone lines, no internet, no television, cell phones... In a way, I have always been interested in living like they did back in the day. I think it would be a nice vacation, LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author erichammer
    Any solar storm powerful enough to destroy the Internet completely will do much more than just destroy the Internet. It will destroy our way of life as we know it. Cars won't operate, electric grids will be down. In essence, we'd be reduced to living in the 18th century so I would think that I and everyone else would have much bigger worries than the fact that the Internet is down.
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  • Profile picture of the author William King
    I am just fed up of such rumors and don't give them any attention. We heard about Y2K but what happened. I have my one philosophy which is inspired by kung fu panda. Tomorrow is a mystery so why should I bother about it. Today is a gift thats why it is known as present so we should enjoy it all full.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I'm going to reinvent the wheel & put my name on the new patent.

    I called dibs!
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  • Profile picture of the author stesnees
    The Intenet shutting down!!!! Oh No! That means I'll have to talk to the Mrs!!
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    I guess I'll be out looting wal-mart with everyone else.

    Isn't that what we are supposed to do when tragedy strikes?
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  • Profile picture of the author theimdude
    Wow, no internet, no cell phone, NO BANK, NO ACCOUNTS, NO DEBT only me and my wife fishing and farming for a living .............can't wait

    When did you say this is going to happen?
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    • Profile picture of the author jony09
      Originally Posted by theimdude View Post

      Wow, no internet, no cell phone, NO BANK, NO ACCOUNTS, NO DEBT only me and my wife fishing and farming for a living .............can't wait

      When did you say this is going to happen?
      this really cannot be predicted....its the sun after all, but we do have a history to go by and it teaches us that such events can and will happen NASA is saying that some major solar activity is to be expected in 2013...whether or not it will match or exceed the one in 1859 is anyone's guess :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    You might want to stop copying and pasting from other people's posts if you're hoping to stay around in this forum for a while....lol.
    It's a spammer, he's doing it in every post. I've already reported it but the more reports and the faster the guy is banned.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by christopher jon View Post

      It's a spammer, he's doing it in every post. I've already reported it but the more reports and the faster the guy is banned.
      I've noticed it too, just putting the rest on alert in case they haven't realized it yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasbales
    Take a look at my profile picture. Except the Disney Pirate hat, that's authentic period garb (S.C.A. all the way!). I'm not afraid to go Medieval. Actually, I probably wouldn't go full Medieval. Never go Full Medieval. You never come back from Full Medieval. But Money Python with a touch of Mad Max... I could do that.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by jasbales View Post

      Take a look at my profile picture. Except the Disney Pirate hat, that's authentic period garb (S.C.A. all the way!). I'm not afraid to go Medieval. Actually, I probably wouldn't go full Medieval. Never go Full Medieval. You never come back from Full Medieval. But Money Python with a touch of Mad Max... I could do that.
      At least you didn't go all colonial!

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  • Profile picture of the author Jake Gray
    The internet shutting down?

    It's simply not going to happen. It'd effect every type of business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Frei
      Originally Posted by Jake Gray View Post

      It's simply not going to happen. It'd effect every type of business.
      Except for, maybe, farmers in Mongolia
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    • Profile picture of the author KabirC
      Originally Posted by Jake Gray View Post

      The internet shutting down?

      It's simply not going to happen. It'd effect every type of business.
      LOL, who will stop it?
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      • Profile picture of the author jony09
        just in case it does...lets all invest our IM earnings and buy shielded bunkers and fill them up with canned beans and bottled water
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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by jony09 View Post

          just in case it does...lets all invest our IM earnings and buy shielded bunkers and fill them up with canned beans and bottled water
          I really don't see any need for that, even if we experience disruptions in our power and the internet. While it may be handy to have a nice retreat out in the country, you sound like you're preparing for a nuclear or natural disaster of epic proportion.
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        • Profile picture of the author naijanetwarrior
          If it happens, I believe it will be just a challenge on scientist to find another great solution to a universal problem. So I do not think there is anything to be worry about.
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          • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
            lol, the value of sales done online is massive, if this was going to happen then companies like amazon and google would be investing billions in redundancy systems..

            Millenium Bug... anyone
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            • Profile picture of the author paulie888
              Originally Posted by M Thompson View Post

              lol, the value of sales done online is massive, if this was going to happen then companies like amazon and google would be investing billions in redundancy systems..

              Millenium Bug... anyone
              This is what I pointed out above. There'd at least be several hours of warning before this solar flare occurs, and there'd be some time to implement precautionary measures in case this ever happens.
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              • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
                Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                This is what I pointed out above. There'd at least be several hours of warning before this solar flare occurs, and there'd be some time to implement precautionary measures in case this ever happens.
                It would take years to fit the necessary lead shielding on even a tiny portion of our infrastructure.

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                • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                  Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

                  It would take years to fit the necessary lead shielding on even a tiny portion of our infrastructure.

                  Cheers,
                  Colin Palfrey
                  Since we've already been aware of this phenomenon for a while, I'm sure that at least some work has begun on shielding critical infrastructure, so that we won't experience a complete blackout and disruption of electronic/computer activity if and when this occurs within the next 2 years.
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            • Profile picture of the author jony09
              Originally Posted by M Thompson View Post

              lol, the value of sales done online is massive, if this was going to happen then companies like amazon and google would be investing billions in redundancy systems..

              Millenium Bug... anyone
              I think shielding existing systems will be a better solution...redundancy systems while sounding safe will become redundant very quickly if they are not shielded properly against electrical surges.
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              • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                Hi,

                I'm sure anything like this could be catastrophic.

                One thing I don't quite understand though.

                It says this happens every one - five hundred years. The last one was in 1859.

                The first article even says...

                but scientists today have no means to predict them only observe them hours before
                So if the scientists have no way of knowing when it is and it could occur anytime in the next 350 years, why is everyone banging on about 2012?

                ...or is this because an ancient civilisations calendar runs out in 2012 and the doom and gloom mob have cottoned on?

                Here are some other predictions for 2012..

                The Mayan calendar ends on Dec 21, 2012. Some people believe this date will mark "the end of time."

                • Some scientists along with other theorists and groups believe that there will be a galactic alignment in the year 2012 that will cause catastrophic events.

                • Many Christians believe that 2012 may be the year that Jesus Christ returns.

                • Some people believe that 2012 will be the year that the human species kills ourselves with nuclear weapons and technology.
                Question is, whose right? Or are any of them right?
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                • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                  Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                  Hi,

                  I'm sure anything like this could be catastrophic.

                  One thing I don't quite understand though.

                  It says this happens every one - five hundred years. The last one was in 1859.

                  The first article even says...

                  So if the scientists have no way of knowing when it is and it could occur anytime in the next 350 years, why is everyone banging on about 2012?

                  ...or is this because an ancient civilisations calendar runs out in 2012 and the doom and gloom mob have cottoned on?

                  Here are some other predictions for 2012..

                  Question is, whose right? Or are any of them right?
                  Very valid points, Richard. A lot of this is speculation, and no one really knows if and when a catastrophic event is going to occur circa 2012. Of course, it doesn't help the public's perception of this when the movie industry is pushing out disaster movies like '2012' that paint a very bleak outcome of the end of the Mayan calendar.
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                • Profile picture of the author jony09
                  Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                  Hi,

                  I'm sure anything like this could be catastrophic.

                  One thing I don't quite understand though.

                  It says this happens every one - five hundred years. The last one was in 1859.

                  The first article even says...

                  So if the scientists have no way of knowing when it is and it could occur anytime in the next 350 years, why is everyone banging on about 2012?

                  ...or is this because an ancient civilisations calendar runs out in 2012 and the doom and gloom mob have cottoned on?

                  Here are some other predictions for 2012..

                  Question is, whose right? Or are any of them right?
                  its 2013 because this year marks the end of the 11 year solar cycle where really increased solar activity and emissions will be seen. I think the reason why the guys up at NASA are worried is because there has been no major solar activity recently which might mean greater emissions when this cycle ends - probably a calm before the storm of sorts. It might not mean an end of the world sort of thing - but will leave the world in a crippled state which could take years to recover from.

                  As far as the Mayan thing is concerned, thats just a conspiracy theory to the best of my knowledge, Why the Earth hasnt aligned with the galactic center already a few thousand times since this "prediction" was made without any repurcussions is beyond me.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                    Originally Posted by jony09 View Post

                    its 2013 because this year marks the end of the 11 year solar cycle where really increased solar activity and emissions will be seen. I think the reason why the guys up at NASA are worried is because there has been no major solar activity recently which might mean greater emissions when this cycle ends - probably a calm before the storm of sorts.
                    Thanks, that betters my understanding of the matter.

                    I wasn't aware of the NASA input. Makes a bit more sense now.

                    You may want to explain that side of things to Kenji...

                    Kenji - There is no way the internet will shut-down, unless it is political.
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                  • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
                    Originally Posted by jony09 View Post

                    its 2013 because this year marks the end of the 11 year solar cycle where really increased solar activity and emissions will be seen. I think the reason why the guys up at NASA are worried is because there has been no major solar activity recently which might mean greater emissions when this cycle ends - probably a calm before the storm of sorts. It might not mean an end of the world sort of thing - but will leave the world in a crippled state which could take years to recover from.
                    So, based on the 11 year cycle, we would have experienced higher emissions about 11 years ago.... which would have been when the internet was already in full swing. I may of missed it but didn't see any massive life changing destruction of the internet.

                    Is it possible that because they are experiencing less sun flare activity right now it could mean that 2013 might be completely unremarkable sun flare wise. Probably wouldn't have made as good headlines :

                    NEWSFLASH: There will be less sun flare activity in 2013. No danger to electonics, or indeed anything whatsoever. Read on for the full story.

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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    When the next one hits...it will fry anything with a circuit board in it. That is what happens when a huge EMP pulse washes over an area, regardless of whether that area is the whole of earth.

    The problem is, we have only been operating on high tech systems for a very small amount of time, so things that wouldn't have affected us before, will now.

    It should be remembered that while a solar flare would wipe out the internet (computers/servers), the larger problem would be the loss of the control systems in manufacturing facilities. By losing those, you take away the ability to rebuild quickly.

    On the other hand, most government facilities have their important information stored behind lead shields, and have done since the cold war.

    You should also remember that the next solar storm may not hit for 1000 years, so not an immediate concern. Of course, it could hit tomorrow but it's unlikely.

    If this happens while I am alive, I would have a printing press set up within a few days. Knowing that in a suddenly information-deprived world, a writer with a printing press will have it all his own way.

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  • Profile picture of the author rammonster
    Umm marketing will still be the same. Salesmanship always comes handy. I'll create my own product and tout it. If we can do it online...Why not replicate the same tactics of basic entrepreneurship offline. I'm sure there ll be a demand for something or the other. Just find the demand and feed it.

    That is how boardwalk pitchmen did it.

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    I've thought about it some more.

    I'd write a book "The Internet Has Fallen...Your Business Can Still Flourish".
    Set up my own litho press and start printing it. Next I would get it in the shops and start advertising through magazines.

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Nail Yener
      Although I don't want to think about such a disaster happening, it is true that something like that could happen any time. But there is no guarantee for anything in our lives. You could have an offline business and it might get struck by a meteor.

      You could do one thing though in order to make you feel more secure. If you are earning enough to make offline investments, then go for it.

      Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

      I've thought about it some more.

      I'd write a book "The Internet Has Fallen...Your Business Can Still Flourish".
      Set up my own litho press and start printing it. Next I would get it in the shops and start advertising through magazines.

      Cheers,
      Colin Palfrey
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  • Profile picture of the author imfusa
    Originally Posted by jony09 View Post

    Hi guys,
    Ok this might seem a little off topic (and alarmist) here but I think it concerns us Internet Marketers probably more than most people. I just read this article about a potentially lethal solar flare that could disrupt all electronic devices ranging from satellites to computers etc. A huge solar storm is expected in 2013 and worst case scenario is that it could simply shut down the net completely among other equally if not more important things..what do you guys think is the best way to be prepared for such a disaster??? I prolly sound paranoid but remember only the paranoid survive

    Here are the articles:

    Could a solar storm send us back to the Stone Age? - CSMonitor.com

    &

    Nasa Warns Of Super Solar Storm 2012 « Socio-Economics History Blog

    &

    Solar flare to &lsquo;paralyse Earth&rsquo; in 2013 | The Sun |News

    Looking forward to hearing your views

    Regards

    EDIT: Its worth mentioning that such an event has already occurred...in 1859 the biggest solar storm in recorded history had struck Earth and overwhelmed its Magnetosphere...telegraph cables in Europe and America were burnt because of this, everything electrical actually...however no major effects were felt as nothing was based on electricity...which is what everything now is based on, so the effects will be that many times more devastating
    Don't want to think what could happened if the internet would go down for even 1 hours in the hole world. This would be like the end of the world.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenji
    There is no way the internet will shut-down, unless it is political.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Kenji View Post

      There is no way the internet will shut-down, unless it is political.
      Really, crikey. Well if you say so, that ends that arguement again.

      Can you explain why or do you just think that?
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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
      Originally Posted by Kenji View Post

      There is no way the internet will shut-down, unless it is political.
      King Cnut anyone? :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Henry White
    We've already had experience with these worst case scenarios - and the infotainment
    media just love to scare the hell out of everybody partly because they're elitists and smugly believe they will be immune, most to increase ratings and ad revenues. It wasn't pretty, but we survived.

    Theoretically, and global EMT pulse would overload the electrical grid and literally fry electronic devices. It would take decades to replace all the transformers at substations so we could turn on the lights again - decades because all of them would blow and require replacement. The strategic emergency is to channel what few spare transformers we have to where they are needed to build more.

    Our stocks of batteries won't last long when they are the only source for radio and flashlights, etc. So how will people react they there are no lights at home or the gas station (been there, done that, remember?), when there is no refrigeration anywhere and everyone is force to go without meat and dairy products and the fruits and vegetables are strictly seasonal and mostly local?

    I don't put that much stock in my fellow human beings to be rational, and all the evidence seems to confirm that cynicism.

    Fortunately, the chance of it happening are so infinitesimally small it approaches zero. Most stars large enough to produce a super-nova and gamma-ray burst are simply too far away. Even better, it would have to be tremendously large, and close enough, and the poles perfectly aligned for their pulse to focus directly at us. The universe is a really big place, and the requirement for all those conditions to affect us, so I'm not worried about it at all.

    Anyone here remember the infamous Morris worm Novermber 2, 1988? That was the last time the Internet went almost completely dark, and that was primarily because admins pulled the plug. This was something completely new, completely outside anything they knew or thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author sirtiman
    The Big Players don't want this happened. Just let they take care the rest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dubois
    I personally don't care much about it, I don't have much to lose, for me personally and much like me would be score. But, imagine people with millions dollars, billions even. Stuck in banks with no way to retrieve it. Crime would go incredibly high. America would be cut off in it's Continent with no way to communicate with it's troupe anywhere, agents of CIA would be stuck with his operation braking countries apart etc. Only good stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Dubois View Post

      I personally don't care much about it, I don't have much to lose, for me personally and much like me would be score. But, imagine people with millions dollars, billions even. Stuck in banks with no way to retrieve it. Crime would go incredibly high. America would be cut off in it's Continent with no way to communicate with it's troupe anywhere, agents of CIA would be stuck with his operation braking countries apart etc. Only good stuff.
      That's a sort of contradiction in itself really.

      I don't have much to lose
      But...

      Crime would go incredibly high
      Or am I right in thinking you're not American?

      Either way whatever you're political views are, as the main rule of the forum suggests, keep them to yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ian Varnava
    First of all, the gurus won't allow a solar storm like that. They will divert it to another planet (they will outsource the work on oDesk of course).

    Second, that just means you need to make enough money before 2013 so even if it does happen, you can live happily ever after.
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    I got my computer protected by an uninterruptable power supply...so if one does hit, that is one thing I can guarantee will survive.

    If the internet does shut down, it's going to be quite interesting. Short answer: if the internet goes down, the only thing you will be able to do is rub two sticks together to make a fire.

    Short list of what you won't have:
    • power
    • water
    • heat
    • phone
    • cable tv
    • 911
    • any access to bank accounts
    Now, will this scenario happen due to a solar flare? Probably not, mostly because all critical infrastructure is (at least it had better be) protected via some kind of surge supression....so the worst that will happen is a boatload of stuff will kick off line and need to be reset...so you might experience an extended outage of several hours while that happens.

    So, the best thing to do is go take a walk to pass the time until everything gets restored. Or if you're asleep...keep on sleeping.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
    Amazing how many people think "they wouldn't let it happen". This is basic economics, the time and cost of preparing for such an event would be enormous. Who do you think's going to pay for it? Things like this are weighed up between cost and probability.

    Does anyone really think that what's just happened in Japan was never considered a possibilty. When a disaster has a low probability, things change only after disaster strikes. Unless it becomes iminent, it's not likely we will ever be prepared for a solar event like this. The probability is very low but the possibility is still there.
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  • Profile picture of the author snovakor
    that will be something very dangerously for complete World ! I hope that we'll all have luck. But ,after this in Japan, I can't be so sure what will be with Earth... look just Yellowstone .... if this explodes will be end of everything !

    So, we must not be to much pessimistic !!
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