Is there any guru who shows live how he made money?

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we have read ebooks, listened to mp3s, watched powerpoint presentations. I wonder is there any course, where so called guru do everything live? Its fairly easy to come up with ebooks or powerpoint presentations, but very hard to share your computer screen with world. You just cant fake step by step live presentation of what you do.

I have heard a guy named rob does that on mediabuyingmonthly.com, where he buy $30k worth of traffic right infront of you (no, i am not related with him).

ANy other guy/guru?
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Motion
    Mark Acutt did a live case study showing his whole process step by step.

    Was pretty impressive, and really did show how much detail expert marketers like him go to make a campaign profitable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin2010
    Just be aware that even though you think it'll be live that some people are very good at editing.

    There's not people who would do this live as you simply don't know what's going to happen.

    People only want you to see what they want you to see and no-one is going to show you them failing are they?
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  • Profile picture of the author Toby Lewis
    Every time you watch a webinar you are seeing live how they make their money. All gurus make their money by pitching you, and then you buy their stuff

    It happens right in front of your eyes, LIVE.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin2010
      Originally Posted by Toby Lewis View Post

      Every time you watch a webinar you are seeing live how they make their money. All gurus make their money by pitching you, and then you buy their stuff

      It happens right in front of your eyes, LIVE.
      I beg to differ.

      There a few little tricks of the trade whereas the webinar is recorded for your pleasure and you think it's live. I can't go into details but let's just say that no everything you see and here is always what it seems.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
        Originally Posted by Martin2010 View Post

        I beg to differ.

        There a few little tricks of the trade whereas the webinar is recorded for your pleasure and you think it's live. I can't go into details but let's just say that no everything you see and here is always what it seems.
        Can't go into details? I used a service that did this so I can speak about my experience and how I did it. First I recorded a webinar but never mentioned any specific times or dates. Then I uploaded the video and created a schedule for it to start on which days and times. Then I sent emails to my lists about a webinar scheduled to start at the time I programmed into the software. It started and stopped on time. It seemed as though it was a live webinar but in fact it was a pre-recorded live webinar.

        Lots of marketers use this today and it should really be no big deal. It's not some huge secret. Some marketers say come to my live webinar but they fail to mention that it's Live pre-recorded.

        If you happen to miss the webinar or could not make it for some reason you will get an email saying something like "I see you were unable to make the live webinar but due to the overwhelming response I am going to do the webinar again tonight".

        The advantage of this is you can schedule different time slots and different days to see what days and times your audience is on the call. This information comes in handy when you are sending out your broadcast emails to promote your products because when you send out your emails you want to catch them while they are sitting right in front of their computers.

        Have you ever wondered why you needed to subscribe again to the list when you want to participate in a specific date and time webinar? It's because the marketer now knows when you are most likely to be available at your computer so he can send his emails or correspondence in the furture.
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by Martin2010 View Post

        I beg to differ.

        There a few little tricks of the trade whereas the webinar is recorded for your pleasure and you think it's live. I can't go into details but let's just say that no everything you see and here is always what it seems.
        I'm listening to one right now by Jeff Vacek and Ken Preuss. It's the same "live" and "exclusive" webinar I've heard 2-3 different times now.

        And folks....if you believe kensgoutcure.com is making $30,000 per month like they claim, I have a bridge in NY you can buy cheap.
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        • Profile picture of the author Martin2010
          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          I'm listening to one right now by Jeff Vacek and Ken Preuss. It's the same "live" and "exclusive" webinar I've heard 2-3 different times now.

          And folks....if you believe kensgoutcure.com is making $30,000 per month like they claim, I have a bridge in NY you can buy cheap.
          It's very scary that most people are being lead to believe that all these so called webinars are live which scares me more to think that they are going to make money in this way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by Toby Lewis View Post

      Every time you watch a webinar you are seeing live how they make their money. All gurus make their money by pitching you, and then you buy their stuff

      It happens right in front of your eyes, LIVE.
      Hey Toby

      Sorry to say there is script you can use to show your Webinar and even though it looks live it is not , the best way is next time you go to one see if they asked for questions! BTW at the moment I cant for the life of me remember the name :rolleyes: lack of sleep maybe been driving all day need zzzz

      Will PM if I remember'

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    • Profile picture of the author JRCarson
      Originally Posted by Toby Lewis View Post

      Every time you watch a webinar you are seeing live how they make their money. All gurus make their money by pitching you, and then you buy their stuff

      It happens right in front of your eyes, LIVE.
      I get what you are saying... and that's the problem with all those crap over-priced guru products.
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      • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
        Originally Posted by JRCarson View Post

        I get what you are saying... and that's the problem with all those crap over-priced guru products.
        A product is "worth" what someone is willing to pay for it, OR
        what the merchant is willing to pay to hang on to it.

        I do agree that there is a lot of crap out there. However,
        I own an ebook that was $997 and have seen training that
        was $100k (I think that's what Bill Bartmann charged for
        his Billionaire University training)... and the information in
        both was worth that much to someone who bought it and
        put it to use.

        To the person who doesn't use it, even the best information
        is worth nothing.

        I would never pay more than I felt something was worth...
        and I'm not above asking for a discount, etc., but certain
        info products are worth a premium price.

        The disconnect that I often see in the online world is that we
        want some things so bad that we get upset because the
        price is out of range. When I got ready go to college, I wanted
        to go to an Ivy League school, however I went to a state
        (land grant) university that cost 1/20th as much. I didn't feel
        that the other universities were over-priced even though some
        of them taught the exact same curriculum.

        Value is a tricky thing...

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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Motion
    The reason someone would do it, I think, is because there are an almost unlimited amount of niches. He picked a niche randomly - did some live research - that one didn't work out so well - picked another niche.. then decided to roll with it.

    Imagine the live case study is priced at $249. Which in my opinion is a fair price for a complete step by step tour on how an expert attacks a niche.. all he has to do is sell 500 and he has made $125,000 just showing people how he does things.
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    Originally Posted by ankur sharma View Post

    rob does that on mediabuyingmonthly.com, where he buy $30k worth of traffic right infront of you .
    Well no wonder he makes money right in front of your eyes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tyson Faulkner
      I just read a great free report from Terry Dean that shared something he did at a live workshop. He sent an email at the beginning of it on Friday I think, in front of everyone.

      Then on Sunday at the end of the conference he checked his stats and he made over $90,000 through the weekend with that one email. (pretty sure I have the story straight)

      Doesn't get anymore "Live" than that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Raydal
        Originally Posted by Tyson Faulkner View Post

        I just read a great free report from Terry Dean that shared something he did at a live workshop. He sent an email at the beginning of it on Friday I think, in front of everyone.

        Then on Sunday at the end of the conference he checked his stats and he made over $90,000 through the weekend with that one email. (pretty sure I have the story straight)

        Doesn't get anymore "Live" than that.
        This was the same example that came to mind as well. I don't know
        of many people who have done this but it takes a lot of guts
        because you can never really predict how a campaign will turn out.

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    The owner of this forum is making money live right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author darren13
    Hi Ankur
    I was following a course awhile ago called "full frontal marketing". It wasnt live but was only one day out. They recorded what they where doing and released the videos the next day. The course was done by Bryan Zimmerman and Jeremy Kelsall. I thought it was good. BTW im not an affiliate of the course.
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    Actually, I don't see what difference it makes whether
    it's live or not, although I guess that could make it
    appear more credible.

    At the last Niche Affiliate Marketing System (NAMS)
    Workshop, we created a product... live on-stage. We just
    took questions from the audience on a topic, had an
    expert panel answer them, recorded that, put together
    a website with an affiliate program, gave attendees
    affiliate links, and ask them to tell their contacts
    (via email, Twitter, etc.).

    The purpose of the demonstration was not to show how
    much money you could make but to let many people in the
    room see what it felt like to make their very FIRST
    sale... and many did :-)

    I have been at seminars where a "guru" demonstrated
    how MUCH money he could make in say 24 hours (and that
    email marketing works) by sending an email out and
    tracking sales over a 24 hour period... maybe even
    giving all of the money to a charity or one of the
    attendees.

    Sometimes other partners also sent emails to generate
    more sales.

    That DID demonstrate the power of email marketing to
    a room full of people who had never seen it.

    At the same time, there were some "artificialities"
    at play... such as the fact that the guru's list already
    had a "relationship" with that marketer... so response
    rates were probably higher than it would be for a
    newbie... who hadn't developed "the halo effect" yet.

    Also, the marketer sometimes emailed his list the
    day before and told them to be watching for a special
    offer. Not really an artificiality as much as the
    fact that some in the room may have thought that just
    ONE email was responsible for the results when it may
    have been several.

    What is there not to believe? If you offer what
    people want, they will buy it!

    of course, figuring out exactly what they want can
    be a challenge.

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    • Profile picture of the author Martin2010
      Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

      Actually, I don't see what difference it makes whether
      it's live or not, although I guess that could make it
      appear more credible.

      At the last Niche Affiliate Marketing System (NAMS)
      Workshop, we created a product... live on-stage. We just
      took questions from the audience on a topic, had an
      expert panel answer them, recorded that, put together
      a website with an affiliate program, gave attendees
      affiliate links, and ask them to tell their contacts
      (via email, Twitter, etc.).

      The purpose of the demonstration was not to show how
      much money you could make but to let many people in the
      room see what it felt like to make their very FIRST
      sale... and many did :-)

      I have been at seminars where a "guru" demonstrated
      how MUCH money he could make in say 24 hours (and that
      email marketing works) by sending an email out and
      tracking sales over a 24 hour period... maybe even
      giving all of the money to a charity or one of the
      attendees.

      Sometimes other partners also sent emails to generate
      more sales.

      That DID demonstrate the power of email marketing to
      a room full of people who had never seen it.

      At the same time, there were some "artificialities"
      at play... such as the fact that the guru's list already
      had a "relationship" with that marketer... so response
      rates were probably higher than it would be for a
      newbie... who hadn't developed "the halo effect" yet.

      Also, the marketer sometimes emailed his list the
      day before and told them to be watching for a special
      offer. Not really an artificiality as much as the
      fact that some in the room may have thought that just
      ONE email was responsible for the results when it may
      have been several.

      What is there not to believe? If you offer what
      people want, they will buy it!

      of course, figuring out exactly what they want can
      be a challenge.

      Willie
      Unfortunately, i do see why this is a problem, these so called gurus advertise that these webinars are live and sometimes they aren't which to me is deceitful. Do you see why this is a problem? If they market like this then what else are they hiding from their punters?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by Martin2010 View Post

        Unfortunately, i do see why this is a problem, these so called gurus advertise that these webinars are live and sometimes they aren't which to me is deceitful. Do you see why this is a problem? If they market like this then what else are they hiding from their punters?
        You're too jaded, Dude....

        Back to the original question...

        My partner and I did a "live" deal where we actually showed people sales being made live and did a little over 1K in a week via article marketing. it was completely transparent in the sense that anyone that was watching had our article titles, knew where they were posted, and what product(s) was/were being promoted.
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      • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
        Originally Posted by Martin2010 View Post

        Unfortunately, i do see why this is a problem, these so called gurus advertise that these webinars are live and sometimes they aren't which to me is deceitful. Do you see why this is a problem? If they market like this then what else are they hiding from their punters?

        "What else are they hiding?"

        Great question... but

        You actually addressed a totally different issue than
        the one I was addressing, but it IS a good topic.

        You're talking about sending visitors to a pre-recorded
        webinar where someone might be led to believe that it's
        live. I was talking about an actual live demonstration
        where conditions may have been engineered.

        However, with the pre-recorded webinars you have to
        distinguish between the need for transparency and the
        goal of the webinar.

        Yes, if someone says that an event is live, when it's
        not, then that's dishonest, and I don't see that many
        people doing that... although I have seen it implied.

        To "practice" a webinar and get the close down to where
        it's working, and then to NOT change it, and risk screwing
        up, only makes perfect marketing sense. That's why
        professinoal sales people role play as a part of their
        training.

        We do the same thing with our salespages... we test
        and tweak until we get something that's working, and
        then the rule is NOT to change it except to seek
        something that works better.

        All marketing is, in my opinion, what Dr. Cialdini
        referred to as a "compliance art" which says that you
        use techniques to get people to comply with your wishes.

        That's what all sales people do... whether it's the
        cashier at McDonalds suggesting you super-size your
        order, or the grocer who places candy near the cash
        register because he knows that the child will nag
        the waiting parent into buying it, or the online
        marketer who shows you a solution to a problem via a
        webinar, and then leads you to the conclusion that
        it suits your needs.

        It's no more manipulative than a clothing sales person
        selling you an expensive suit, and only after you agree
        to buy the suit, suggesting the $75 designer tie... because
        he knows that at that point you probably will give
        little thought to how much the tie costs.

        Getting back to the "goal" of the webinar, it should be
        to get the customer to buy a product that can honestly
        improve their lives... and solve the problem that
        got them to tune in to the webinar in the first place.

        As has been pointed out on several recent threads, much
        of what we marketers do IS manipulative... testing font
        colors, images, the wording of guarantees, price testing...
        all of that is manupulative... and practicing "the
        compliance art" but as long as it's done ethically, I
        see nothing wrong with it.

        ETHICS is the one thing that I can't and won't try to
        define for you. What is ethical in one culture, society,
        or group, is often totally unacceptable to someone outside
        that group.... AND we often define what is ethical
        based upon our own purposes. We often throw about the
        very term ethics in an attempt to be manipulative

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  • Profile picture of the author ankur sharma
    I seriously do not think , i will mind failure. If someone record stuff, shows you the whole thing, that is really powerful. Now, if you are true entrepreneur , you wont mind him failing several times. Thats part of our job. But this seriously increase credibility.

    This can be stretched over a month or 2 months. I dont mind if he later on sell the whole stuff. But if you want to teach me email marketing. Start completely fresh in new market , show me how you enter, show me how you build relationship, when noone cares about you in the new market. Show me what emails you sent to other marketers, how you create relationship. Just let me see everything step by step on your computer.

    I wont mind paying $1k for it. Atleast, then everything will be crystal clear and i will be sure, its no hype stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author SamuelFreeman
    I would love to see a seminar where a guru actually does everything right in front of the audience showing them it work. "Now I'm going to hit the send button. Tomorrow morning we will see how many orders have been placed..."
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    Now I'm stuck on the recorded webinar because they
    remind me of the personalized autoresponders.

    Practically everyone in internet marketing knows
    that just because a message has their name in it,
    that doesn't make it personal. If we want to know
    if it's really personal, we scroll to the bottom
    and look for the unsubscribe link.

    I have numerous sites outside of IM where people
    don't all understand that though. One is a cooking
    sites where I often use personalization tags in
    autoresponders, and people DO respond as if I'm
    talking directly to them. I do feel a little like
    responding with "no need to thank me" or pointing
    out that the message really wasn't written just to
    them.

    Are personalized autoresponders deceptive, in that
    they ARE designed to make emails feel more personal.
    Yet, we don't start the email out with "Dear Joe,
    this wasn't really written just for you."

    Perhaps comparing apples to apples... and maybe I
    just need stronger medications

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