Aweber charges $792 for 100k subscribers

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So I've been reading up on the best autoresponder to go with, and most people say to go with aweber.

I remember a few years back, before they added analytics, only charging $20 for the initial 10k subscribers and $10 for each additional 10k. Now it starts from $19 up too 500, then $792 once you've reached 100k!

Now I know they have private label sites, but they charge close to awebers prices - same deal with getresponse (2nd best). I know there are other alternatives i.e. TrafficWave (flat rate / unlimited subscribers) but most marketers say to stick with aweber.

I've never owned a list before, and curious to ask big list owners (in non MMO niches) whether you're making much more versus without a list. How many offers could you promote each month?

(Most of my subscribers would probably come from opting into a free mini-course of some sort)
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  • Profile picture of the author nerrutis
    Icontact charges my 750 for the same.
    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author nerrutis
      Originally Posted by nerrutis View Post

      Icontact charges my 750 for the same.
      Thanks
      In addition i should say, that the biggest mistake internet marketer (especially beginner) can make - is not to build a list.

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Jake Gray
        Originally Posted by nerrutis View Post

        In addition i should say, that the biggest mistake internet marketer (especially beginner) can make - is not to build a list.

        Thanks!
        Big time.

        If people start early, it only gets easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
    Originally Posted by gabby6480 View Post

    So I've been reading up on the best autoresponder to go with, and most people say to go with aweber.

    I remember a few years back, before they added analytics, only charging $20 for the initial 10k subscribers and $10 for each additional 10k. Now it starts from $19 up too 500, then $792 once you've reached 100k!

    Now I know they have private label sites, but they charge close to awebers prices - same deal with getresponse (2nd best). I know there are other alternatives i.e. TrafficWave (flat rate / unlimited subscribers) but most marketers say to stick with aweber.

    I've never owned a list before, and curious to ask big list owners (in non MMO niches) whether you're making much more versus without a list. How many offers could you promote each month?

    (Most of my subscribers would probably come from opting into a free mini-course of some sort)
    You've got this all wrong tbh. If you got a list and treated them right then they'll buy from you and the cost to run your list is going to be a fraction of your returns. Infact you could retire on a list of 100,000 active people.

    Rich
    ps. I'll say your list will be one of the most if not your most valueable business asset.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      I've been using Auto Response Plus for many years. Currently it's a one time cost of $197, and you can have unlimited subscribers (I have over 600,000 spread out in dozens of niches)

      It also has many more advanced features than what is offered by either aweber or getresponse. Check with your hosting provider, though; a dedicated server is usually required.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sparklesperson
      Originally Posted by Richard Tunnah View Post

      You've got this all wrong tbh. If you got a list and treated them right then they'll buy from you and the cost to run your list is going to be a fraction of your returns. Infact you could retire on a list of 100,000 active people.

      Rich
      ps. I'll say your list will be one of the most if not your most valueable business asset.
      I know people who could retire with a list of much less. I have one friend who did a launch that pulled in $140K - from a list of 862. Now her list is much, MUCH larger...
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Burton
      Originally Posted by Carol_A View Post

      It's all about list quality, not list quantity...

      ...and customer retention not acquisition.

      Loving my list right about now!

      Originally Posted by Richard Tunnah View Post

      You've got this all wrong tbh. If you got a list and treated them right then they'll buy from you and the cost to run your list is going to be a fraction of your returns. Infact you could retire on a list of 100,000 active people.

      Rich
      ps. I'll say your list will be one of the most if not your most valueable business asset.

      I think these two pretty much say it all.

      If you have a DECENT list of 100,000 subscribers (read that again, a DECENT list, not a good list, great list or awesome list), and you send them one offer with DECENT sales copy that calls for them to pay just $5 for your new widget deluxe (and widget is whatever your list is built around). Most likely you'll have at LEAST a 0.2% buy. That's 100,000 x 0.2% = 200 buyers x $5 = $1,000 = $208 more than aweber is costing that month.

      More likely if you've been doing things right, your list is going to be more responsive, and if your sales copy, you can turn that 200 subscriber on a 10,000 member list if not on a 5,000 subscriber list.

      If you have a list of 100,000 BUYERS (not free subscribers, but they've actually bought from you something in the widget niche), you're probably going to be looking at a minimum of 1% purchases from your decent sales copy to your list. 1% of 100,000 = 1,000 buyers = $5,000.
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  • Profile picture of the author aminur
    i don't know why people put the list building as a last option when it comes to IM. This is the fastest and easiest way to make money. You just gona have to make sure you treat them right by giving them enough help to make money online. That's all it takes.
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    • Originally Posted by aminur View Post

      i don't know why people put the list building as a last option when it comes to IM.

      I think most people are intimidated because:

      -They don't know which software to use
      -Don't know how the hell they will get content to send to the people
      -By the time the trial subscriptions end, (aweber $1 first month) you still have no one on your list
      -Sounds complicated to keep up with the different categories of lists example: bought, hasn't bought, and so forth.

      I created websites, learned wordpress, and did a lot of other difficult things, just because I didn't KNOW HOW TO build a list. Anyways, I am learning how to do it now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    Well if you aren't making atleast $792 with a list of 100k subscribers then you are doing something wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author Carol_A
      It's all about list quality, not list quantity...

      ...and customer retention not acquisition.

      Loving my list right about now!

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    • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
      Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

      Well if you aren't making atleast $792 with a list of 100k subscribers then you are doing something wrong.
      Great point.

      To OP.

      If you are beginning with list marketing, I suggest you go for MailChimp free account.
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    • Profile picture of the author kyhell
      Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

      Well if you aren't making atleast $792 with a list of 100k subscribers then you are doing something wrong.
      I totally just spit my coffee all over my keyboard when i read this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    I have a client who pays us over $900 a month because they have 100k subscribers...

    They have made $2.3 million dollars in the last 12 months using our platform and our services have increased their conversion rate by 100%

    They love us and happily pay.

    I know it can be hard to imagine paying hundreds of dollars a month when you are not making much money online...

    But once you actually have the problem of having 100k subscribers your perspective will probably change
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    • Profile picture of the author Adnimated
      Does nanacast also include an autoresponder? Because I thought it was more like management. But if you guys have an autoresponder, too... i'd like to inform about some prices for my list. As I am seriously considering switching to nanacast anyway for all my other needs.

      Originally Posted by Josh Anderson View Post

      I have a client who pays us over $900 a month because they have 100k subscribers...

      They have made $2.3 million dollars in the last 12 months using our platform and our services have increased their conversion rate by 100%

      They love us and happily pay.

      I know it can be hard to imagine paying hundreds of dollars a month when you are not making much money online...

      But once you actually have the problem of having 100k subscribers your perspective will probably change
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Richardson
      Right on the money Josh!
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
    $792 a month to email and manage 100k subscribers is absolutely dirt cheap.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimbowman
    I can see why you might be concerned about the price, but the truth is that you should be able to earn much more than that with a list that big.

    Other than using services like Aweber, you can install scripts like Auto Response Plus on your own server, which will only cost you a one time fee.

    I have done this in the past, and have run a very profitable list with this software, but there are a few issues you need to be aware of.

    First of all, it can put a big drain on your server to send out emails to a big list, so you need to make sure that you have the resources. Also, if you don't have a dedicated server, then you may well get your account shut down as the script slows the shared server down.

    The next concern is deliverability. If your emails are blocked by mail filters, nobody will ever read them. The filters can get very suspicious if they start seeing a large number of emails coming from a single ip address or ip block, particularly if it has not been sending large numbers of emails in the past.

    So your server might mistakenly get blacklisted by these filters. And that means that often, the email won't even be sent to the spam folder.

    With a managed service like Aweber, they have already done the work of getting their IP addresses white-listed. They also check the contents of your emails, and warn you if the content triggers spam filters, and as this is done for all their clients, they have established a good reputation with the email filters and the major email service providers.

    This can make a huge difference to your business, so I would recommend using a hosted service, especially when you're starting out
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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    Profollow (which is a reseller of Aweber) would charge you $110/mo for the same amount of subscribers. There are a few other services just like it.

    EDIT: Nevermind, now their site just redirects to Aweber's. Looks like Aweber is getting greedy. Or just too popular for their own good.

    At any rate, $800 a month for 100k subscribers is just tiny compared to how much you could be making with that list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam J Wagner
    Don't cheap out on your list- focus on getting those 100k subs before you worry about how much it will cost to manage them... Once you have a 100k+ opt-in list, that $800 won't be a big deal.
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  • Profile picture of the author ruch1v
    There are still aweber private labels out there on the old pricing, I got in with profollow over a year ago on the old pricing, they recently changed it to the new one back in December, but I bet if you did a thorough search you can find some

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  • Profile picture of the author Trieu
    Originally Posted by ruch1v View Post

    There are still aweber private labels out there on the old pricing, I got in with profollow over a year ago on the old pricing, they recently changed it to the new one back in December, but I bet if you did a thorough search you can find some

    Ruchi
    I did a search for all private label sellers, and they all have the new Aweber pricing now.

    Besides, If you have 100k people opening and reading your mails, you'll make your money back quite quick. So my advice is delete the subscribers who are not interested in reading your emails.
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  • Profile picture of the author webapex
    The last time I looked at a Comparison of Autoresponder Prices, there seemed to be no dramatic differences, except perhaps for the perpetual free 1000 subscriber lists MailChimp provides for beginners working only in non aggressive vanilla marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coby
    One solo ad to a list of 100K would more than pay for the monthly autoresponder rate.

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    Yes, the costs can add up, but as has already been pointed
    out, many businesses consider their databases their most
    important business asset.

    Actually, it's probably relationships with that database, which
    is why account practices sometimes carry "goodwill" on a
    company's books.

    Here's one of my six autoresponder accounts:
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    I have 1 with Aweber and 5 with 1SC.

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  • Profile picture of the author Deric Yin
    I'm glad that I'm still on old pricing with AWeber.

    Having said that, paying $800 for 100k list is one hell of a bargain.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
    That's a small amount compared to 100k. But the quality of subscribers should be a good one. If some can't earn much with 100k, you should send another optin to filter unwanted contacts.

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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Originally Posted by gabby6480 View Post

    Now I know they have private label sites, but they charge close to awebers prices
    Actually, the private label versions were recently updated to the same pricing schedule as the main Aweber website.

    If you are worrying about paying $792 per month to keep a list of 100,000 people then you are doing something very wrong. You should be able to make multiple times that money from those subscribers - but then again, it all comes down to how you built that list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Giani
    If you have grown this list, then you should be extremely happy to pay about 0.8 cents per subscriber per month. Many would be ready to you much more than that to share your list.

    Are you interested?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dann Vicker
    I agree it may seem pricey at first glance but i believe a well nurtured 100k list is worth much more. Just assume you are making a measly 10cents per month per subscriber, and it adds up.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    I agree with dan.

    Sometimes it doesnt matter what you are being charged for a big list.

    IF you have nurtured you list you will find that the rewards and money it brings in far outweighs the costs.

    Just saying !
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    I agree with dan.

    Sometimes it doesnt matter what you are being charged for a big list.

    IF you have nurtured you list you will find that the rewards and money it brings in far outweighs the costs.

    Just saying !
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  • Profile picture of the author haymanpl
    What i have decided to do is cancel my aweber account and build a wed form using a wordpress plugin that can be put on your site as a static web form or pop up using another wordpress plugin.

    I will connect all this to feedburner RSS

    Why? Because RSS gets a 100% Deliveribility rate compared to 20-30% for aweber and its free. Its also getting better with more features and better tracking
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    • Profile picture of the author Trieu
      Originally Posted by haymanpl View Post

      What i have decided to do is cancel my aweber account and build a wed form using a wordpress plugin that can be put on your site as a static web form or pop up using another wordpress plugin.

      I will connect all this to feedburner RSS

      Why? Because RSS gets a 100% Deliveribility rate compared to 20-30% for aweber and its free. Its also getting better with more features and better tracking

      Don't get me wrong, aweber have their place and they are the best email service. My problem is not with, its with the open and inbox rates plus its free once you own the wordpress web form plugin to make the forms which is the same price as 1-2 months of awebers charges
      Do you have more information about this? With this method you can't do Autoresponders or broadcast message just like Aweber, can you?
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by haymanpl View Post

      What i have decided to do is cancel my aweber account and build a wed form using a wordpress plugin that can be put on your site as a static web form or pop up using another wordpress plugin.

      I will connect all this to feedburner RSS

      Why? Because RSS gets a 100% Deliveribility rate compared to 20-30% for aweber and its free. Its also getting better with more features and better tracking

      Don't get me wrong, aweber have their place and they are the best email service. My problem is not with, its with the open and inbox rates plus its free once you own the wordpress web form plugin to make the forms which is the same price as 1-2 months of awebers charges
      First of all I don't know where you are getting your stats about Awebers delivery rate. It certainly is nowhere near 20%. And RSS does not get 100% deliverability - I'm not sure where you are getting those figures from either. Nothing will get you 100% deliverability.

      And building a list of RSS subscribers is a LOT different to building a list of email subscribers. It seems to me you are very confused on the subject.
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  • Profile picture of the author Victor Edson
    Aweber is also only $1 for your first month, and if by chance you shoot yourself up to 100k subscribers this month... don't worry.. you'll have cash on demand with a list that size and the price won't even be an issue.

    Most well run lists can bring in $1 or more per subscriber each month.
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  • Profile picture of the author seospecialist
    Just remember the money is in the responsiveness of the list and not the quantity, you always want buyers and to an extent everyone is a buyer you just have to meet all their needs and requirements and they have to be able to trust you before they will buy.

    A good technique to get buyers is to charge even the most minimal amount for a product you create that you were going to give away free at first for like $3, this will distinguish between the people who are actually going to buy and dont mind paying a measley $3 or the ones that are gona waste your time.
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  • Profile picture of the author stodog77
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  • Profile picture of the author wbakhos
    Hmmm... I'll tell you what... I'll do you a favor.. give me you 100k list and I'll carry the $792 monthly burden..

    Its ok.. i'll manage

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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by gabby6480 View Post

    How many offers could you promote each month?
    If you have 100,000 people on your list, and you promote ONE offer a month, and only 1% of your list buys, and you make exactly $1 from each sale...

    That's $1,000.

    Now, in all likelihood, you're going to promote six to eight offers a month... convert about 3% of your list with each offer... and make an average of $12 with each sale.

    That's $252,000.

    But chances are you're never going to have a 100k list in the first place. Most people never even make it to 10k. A 5k list is still more than enough to provide you with a six-figure income.
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  • Profile picture of the author BobbyFreiler
    I'll chime in and reiterate some of what I've read here. Even if your subscribers are opting in through a free offering, with a list of 100K, you could offer each of them a product for $1 and with at 20% conversion rate, the monthly fee is still minimal.

    For the most part, the services with advanced features are going to have similar rates. Of course, there are outliers to this rule.

    The money is in the list - you have to target and manage those subscribers well and make the most of the features and tools available. That way the monthly charges remain nominal in actual cost and opportunity costs.

    Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author trafficwave
    That's funny.

    "You should pay more because you can.".

    "If you can't pay that much, you must not be very good at marketing.".

    "Other people say to pay more so you should.".

    All of these answers are ... well ... just silly ... and show really poor math skills.

    Seriously? We should pay more simply because we can?!?!
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  • I just signed a contract with an autoresponder service for $30,000 a year. That covers me for 2.2 million emails (ecommerce).
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  • Profile picture of the author Clint Butler
    I have a suggestion if none of the other posts have convinced you that its a good price, give me your list of 100K and I'LL pay the 800 bucks a month HEHEHE

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  • Profile picture of the author lesterlim85
    It's interesting to go through this thread and see a diversity of opinions on Aweber and on the topic of list building. I have actually opened up a thread asking about opinions on iContact because they are offering free option with your 1st 500 subscribers.

    It seems like people are all steering towards Aweber and iContact doesn't get too many votes despite their features being more user-friendly (I have not used it but just heard about that).

    Back to the topic of this thread, I reckon none of the autoresponders can deliver up to a 100% rate. It's quite debatable which AR offers the best deliverability because i don't think there is any study so far to backup any claims. To say that Aweber has only 20-30% delivery rate is certainly untrue as far as I understand.

    Oh, and i would really love to have the headache of managing a 100k list and having to pay a "whopping" $800 to Aweber.

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author trafficwave
      Originally Posted by lesterlim85 View Post

      Back to the topic of this thread, I reckon none of the autoresponders can deliver up to a 100% rate. It's quite debatable which AR offers the best deliverability because i don't think there is any study so far to backup any claims. To say that Aweber has only 20-30% delivery rate is certainly untrue as far as I understand.
      Actually, there are quite a few 3rd party monitoring services out there that can verify or debunk deliverability claims made by any autoresponder service.
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    • Profile picture of the author haymanpl
      If your just starting out you can use mail chimp as its free for 12000 emails a month and free storage for 2000

      Aweber is the best but its not essential

      You could install your own autoresponder and send emails from your email address or use gravity forms addon with mail chimp

      Aweber users promote aweber because every email sent is from aweber on behalf of the customer

      search engine traffic converts better in my opinion

      RSS has a far better delivery rate and is more effective but not flexible

      Yes there's lots of affs promoting aweber but its not the only option
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
        Originally Posted by haymanpl View Post

        If your just starting out you can use mail chimp as its free for 12000 emails a month and free storage for 2000

        Aweber is the best but its not essential

        You could install your own autoresponder and send emails from your email address or use gravity forms addon with mail chimp

        Aweber users promote aweber because every email sent is from aweber on behalf of the customer

        search engine traffic converts better in my opinion

        RSS has a far better delivery rate and is more effective but not flexible

        Yes there's lots of affs promoting aweber but its not the only option
        Anyone thinking of using mailchimp needs to read their TOS very, very carefully. I think you'll find that many of internet marketing activities are specifically forbidden and can result in you losing service and more importantly any and all of your list!
        To me I'd rather trial a known service like aweber for $1 (first month)

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        • Profile picture of the author haymanpl
          Your information is misleading and you are clearly trying to discredit mailchimp.

          You have NO credibility whatsoever
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
            Originally Posted by haymanpl View Post

            Your information is misleading and you are clearly trying to discredit mailchimp.

            You have NO credibility whatsoever
            From Mailchimps TOS:-

            Prohibited Content and Industries


            Also, there are some industries that send certain types of content that result in higher than normal bounce rates and abuse complaints, which in turn jeopardize the deliverability of our entire system. No offense intended, but because we must ensure the highest delivery rates possible for all our customers, we do not allow businesses that offer these types of services, products, or content:

            Illegal goods or services
            Escort and dating services
            Pharmaceutical products
            Work from home, Internet Lead-gen, Make money on online opportunities, etc.
            Online trading, day trading tips, or stock market related content
            Gambling services, products or gambling education
            Multi-level marketing
            Affiliate marketing
            Credit repair, get-out-of-debt content
            Mortgages and/or Loans
            Real estate prospecting or listing
            Nutritional Supplements, Herbal Supplements or Vitamin Supplements
            Pornography or nudity in content
            Adult novelty items or references in content
            List brokers or List rental services
            Marketing or sending commercial email without proper permission


            Rich
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            • Profile picture of the author paulie888
              Originally Posted by Richard Tunnah View Post

              From Mailchimps TOS:-

              Prohibited Content and Industries


              Also, there are some industries that send certain types of content that result in higher than normal bounce rates and abuse complaints, which in turn jeopardize the deliverability of our entire system. No offense intended, but because we must ensure the highest delivery rates possible for all our customers, we do not allow businesses that offer these types of services, products, or content:

              Illegal goods or services
              Escort and dating services
              Pharmaceutical products
              Work from home, Internet Lead-gen, Make money on online opportunities, etc.
              Online trading, day trading tips, or stock market related content
              Gambling services, products or gambling education
              Multi-level marketing
              Affiliate marketing
              Credit repair, get-out-of-debt content
              Mortgages and/or Loans
              Real estate prospecting or listing
              Nutritional Supplements, Herbal Supplements or Vitamin Supplements
              Pornography or nudity in content
              Adult novelty items or references in content
              List brokers or List rental services
              Marketing or sending commercial email without proper permission


              Rich

              It's a shame that many people want to take the free route, and naively believe that it's every bit as capable and powerful as a paid autoresponder. There is no free lunch, and if you use something free you're only going to handicap yourself, especially farther on down the road.

              If you're really building a business on the internet, there's truly no way you can justify not using a good autoresponder that does not have the inherent compromises found within the free solutions out there.

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          Gravity forms provides an addon for mailchimp as well but not for aweber
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    • Profile picture of the author Clint Butler
      You can use your stats in AWeber to tell if you getting value out of your list, here is what I suggest. Select a very targeted product to promote to your list. Sent three emails spread out over over a three day period. Dump your subscribers who don't respond or even bother to open your ad. Then look at the open rate of the email you got. Take that open rate and compare it to your sales.

      So lets say you have a list of 100 people, you marketed a product that made you 500 bucks on clickbank

      500 / 100 = 5 So each member on your list is worth $5 bucks.

      Lets get a bit bigger

      250k in sales / 100,000 subscribers = Each subscriber is worth $2.5 bucks

      Its a simple calculation you should do every once in while to make sure your marketing to your list properly and taking advantage of having it at all.

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      Originally Posted by Clint Faber View Post

      tell me about our make sure I'm bringing in enough revenue to support that list. I recently had a drop some of my list subscribers that were not bringing in any revenue.
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      • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
        well for a list of that size its perfectly normal and nearly 800 is absolutely nothing and for what i recall icontact also charges the same amoun
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  • Profile picture of the author RhondaG
    If you have 100,000 subscribers on your list, then paying the $750 should not be a problem. You can also hire someone to write you a program that will possibly do the same thing and own it for yourself.

    Personally I am not anywhere near the 100,000 point yet, but when I am I am certain that $750 will be easy to manage.
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  • Profile picture of the author anthony2
    Originally Posted by gabby6480 View Post

    So I've been reading up on the best autoresponder to go with, and most people say to go with aweber.

    I remember a few years back, before they added analytics, only charging $20 for the initial 10k subscribers and $10 for each additional 10k. Now it starts from $19 up too 500, then $792 once you've reached 100k!

    Now I know they have private label sites, but they charge close to awebers prices - same deal with getresponse (2nd best). I know there are other alternatives i.e. TrafficWave (flat rate / unlimited subscribers) but most marketers say to stick with aweber.

    I've never owned a list before, and curious to ask big list owners (in non MMO niches) whether you're making much more versus without a list. How many offers could you promote each month?

    (Most of my subscribers would probably come from opting into a free mini-course of some sort)



    i am curious you mentioned you never had a list before
    so why are you worried about having a subscriber base of 100k.
    you need to worry about getting your first subscriber.

    when that day comes when you have a list of a 100k then you
    won't be worried about paying aweber $800.00.

    when you start to build your list and if you do it right then you should
    make a dollar off each subscriber....Yes a dollar off each subscriber.

    so do you think $800 will break the bank? it will be just pennies.
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    • Profile picture of the author newton
      Originally Posted by anthony2 View Post

      i am curious you mentioned you never had a list before
      so why are you worried about having a subscriber base of 100k.
      you need to worry about getting your first subscriber.

      when that day comes when you have a list of a 100k then you
      won't be worried about paying aweber $800.00.

      when you start to build your list and if you do it right then you should
      make a dollar off each subscriber....Yes a dollar off each subscriber.

      so do you think $800 will break the bank? it will be just pennies.
      Actually that's the exact question I was going to ask.

      If you're looking at making money online for example, would your first question be "How much tax would I pay on a $1M a year?".

      If you're taking up mountain climbing, would your first instinct be "What happens after I reach the top of Everest?".

      The journey starts with the first step, you can worry about the rest if or when it happens.

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  • Profile picture of the author CheapTrafficDude
    I LOVE TrafficWave!!! Thank Mr. Rooney

    With TrafficWave, you don't have to worry about garbage leads because your leads are actually interested in what you are selling and your niche. Why would anyone want leads like a[AT]hotmail.com or john[AT]doe.com just so they can get your free gift and pay for it the Aweber way. I recently joined TrafficWave and since then canceled my aWeber account.

    Sure, Aweber might have "pretty" forms but would you buy a car that's pretty but costs more in gas than the purchase price? Hey!! If you anyone wants help building kick ass webforms, send me a PM!!

    PS: If your delivered/open rate is too low with Aweber, guess what happens?? Aweber won't give you the option to use single opt-in anymore. Just my wooden nickel XD
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Pollina
    I totally 100% agree. Aweber is the cadilac of auto responders. I've been a beta tester with them when they added the analytics and get a discount, but I'd pay full price just for the deliverability. you truly do get what you pay for.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maayan Gordon
    I think the people who have 100k lists can probably afford that, but my list is much smaller so i wouldnt know
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Aweber's risk goes up, as your list size goes up. It takes a mammoth effort on their part to stay off of the spam blacklists. All it takes is one bad broadcast to a list of that size to put their entire company at jeopardy. You're getting off cheap in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    If you have a mailing list of only 1,000 you should make more than $792 per month.

    If you are making less that $1 per subscriber per months with your list you should go back to the drawing board.
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    • Profile picture of the author haymanpl
      I recently read that a so called top affiliate is getting 7000 unique visitors a day to his site and making $7000 a month

      This is really not the best figures

      1000 subscribers could make you anywhere from 100 -10,000 a month depending on many factors

      The general rule of thumb is that you should make a dollar for each subscriber per month. And i agree you shoudl make at least that or you should have a second look at your strategy
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  • Profile picture of the author Rough Outline
    $792 is only $0.00792 per lead, per month. If you can't make more than per lead on average per month, then the problem doesn't lie with Aweber's pricing.
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  • Aweber is simply the best. Don't be cheap with your mailing list: it's by far your business' number one asset.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Sussman
    Why don't you have a look at the prices at Imnica Mail. Its owned by a fellow warrior Richelo Killian.

    Over the past few months I have seen a number of big time marketers move over to Imnica.

    Below are some threads you may find interesting.
    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...r-service.html
    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ure-added.html
    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ure-added.html

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    • Profile picture of the author James Sides
      So first, I agree with everyone that said a list of 100k is going to pay for itself again and again. Really, if you're list is that big you practically have a license to print money (especially if its a buyer's list and not just freebie)

      Second, getting lost in the details can really be harmful to your business. Don't think so far ahead..worry about getting your first 100 subs before sweating the cost of 100k.

      Last, for those wanting to use free options...this (in my humble opinion) is exactly the mindset that sinks businesses. Stop treating this as a hobby and be prepared to invest a little. You think the guy opening a new franchise would make it if he were afraid to invest?

      All in all a informative thread.

      Cheers!

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  • Profile picture of the author briankoz
    If you have 100,000 people on your list, and you promote ONE offer a month, and only 1% of your list buys, and you make exactly $1 from each sale...

    That's $1,000.
    The above statement is probably one of the number one problems I see people thinking. The "if only 1% of my list buys" issue -- in reality, that will probably never happen for most people.

    You'd be lucky if 1% to 2% of the total CLICKS buy.

    And here's the reality:

    * A 10% open rate could be argued to be fairly normal (sure, some can be much higher, and some can be much lower). So out of 100k subscribers, that's only 10k opening it.

    * Of the 10% that open it, a third of them clicking your link in your e-mail could also be argued to be fairly normal (again, can be much higher or much lower). All of a sudden of those 10k opening your e-mail, only 3,333 are clicking that link.

    * Of the 33% of those who opened it, if 1% buy (which isn't as low as people think), that's 33 sales for $33 using the stated example instead of $1,000. Now, most prices are usually higher than $1, but even at $30 (which would be $15 if you mail for an affiliate and get 50%), that'd still only be a few to several hundred dollars for that low price point.

    * And here's the part that's also not mentioned much. 3,333 clicks from 100,000 subscribers, even with the stats above, often times would be considered extremely high. Of all the marketers I know with 100,000 subscribers or more, the norm between them seems to be in the 700 to 2,000 clicks per mailing (2,000 being for the better leads).

    But having said that, there's obviously a ton of money in your list if you do it right, but I wanted to point out that the common "if only 1% of your list buys" in reality will probably never happen even though it's repeated all the time.

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    • Profile picture of the author ShaunAllen
      Originally Posted by briankoz View Post

      The above statement is probably one of the number one problems I see people thinking. The "if only 1% of my list buys" issue -- in reality, that will probably never happen for most people.

      You'd be lucky if 1% to 2% of the total CLICKS buy.

      And here's the reality:

      * A 10% open rate could be argued to be fairly normal (sure, some can be much higher, and some can be much lower). So out of 100k subscribers, that's only 10k opening it.

      * Of the 10% that open it, a third of them clicking your link in your e-mail could also be argued to be fairly normal (again, can be much higher or much lower). All of a sudden of those 10k opening your e-mail, only 3,333 are clicking that link.

      * Of the 33% of those who opened it, if 1% buy (which isn't as low as people think), that's 33 sales for $33 using the stated example instead of $1,000. Now, most prices are usually higher than $1, but even at $30 (which would be $15 if you mail for an affiliate and get 50%), that'd still only be a few to several hundred dollars for that low price point.

      * And here's the part that's also not mentioned much. 3,333 clicks from 100,000 subscribers, even with the stats above, often times would be considered extremely high. Of all the marketers I know with 100,000 subscribers or more, the norm between them seems to be in the 700 to 2,000 clicks per mailing (2,000 being for the better leads).

      But having said that, there's obviously a ton of money in your list if you do it right, but I wanted to point out that the common "if only 1% of your list buys" in reality will probably never happen even though it's repeated all the time.

      - Brian
      This is a great post and it portrays more often
      than not, the reality of marketing.

      However, as Josh Anderson pointed out, he has
      a client that had 100,000 people on their list and
      made over $2 million or nearly $2 per subscriber
      per month.

      So anything is possible, but I would start off more
      realistic like Brian posted above.

      What you really need to do is create 10,000-20,000
      raving fans that will buy any damn product you create.
      Even if you're creating 1-2 per month that could be
      hundreds of thousands per month depending on your
      price point.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
      Originally Posted by briankoz View Post

      But having said that, there's obviously a ton of money in your list if you do it right, but I wanted to point out that the common "if only 1% of your list buys" in reality will probably never happen even though it's repeated all the time.

      - Brian
      Great post, Brian. But doesn't that just highlight the importance of segmenting and ... umm I can't think of the word... getting rid of the dead wood and tyre kickers before your list grows to a 1% click through rate.

      I guess there is no need to grow your list to 100K subscribers if the conversion rate isn't at the 1% mark - or whatever your acceptable cut-off is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chazzer
    Originally Posted by gabby6480 View Post

    So I've been reading up on the best autoresponder to go with, and most people say to go with aweber.

    I've never owned a list before, and curious to ask big list owners (in non MMO niches) whether you're making much more versus without a list. How many offers could you promote each month?

    C'mon ppl...give Gabby a break. She stated that she's never had a list before and she's asked some legitimate questions.

    Gabby, first of all, it might take a bit of time for you to get to the 100,000 -- and when you do, you need to promise to buy all those on WF who've answered your question a Starbucks.

    Now, if you signup at GetResponse, in the pricing page they allow you up to 100 subscribers and 500 emails for free. That should get you started. ConstantContact has a free 60 day trial, and you might consider that also. I also read somewhere on the forum that they're offering (I think) up to 250 subscribers for free so you might look at that offer.

    I would make sure that whatever autoresponder you choose that you do a double opt-in. I feel that this is more important in some niches than others (but that's just my opinion.)

    If you're going to go with a trial, I'd wait until the last minute to sign up and put in your autoresponder into your website as you want to squeeze as much time as you can from it. (For instance, if you signed up and your site hit a snag and didn't go live for 3 weeks, you'd have wasted a huge portion of your trial.)

    Also, write your autoresponder messages prior to signing up and then sit down and do a cut and paste all in one shot. This saves you time, energy and money.

    You've asked how many offers to promote a month. Answer: I think this depends on your niche and list. Here are my list building/promotion recommendations...none of which are new.

    1. The most important thing in listbuilding is to create a tremendous amount of value. Give away a lot of great information and most importantly, don't insult the intelligence of your list by promoting trash. I've created an extremely loyal following in a non-IM niche by maybe promoting one offer a week. I usually send out a short email about 4-5 times a week. Honestly, sometimes it's just a short blast recommending that they watch a funny YouTube video (my last recommendation was that crazy Brit milk commercial that I myself watched at least 2 dozen times.) I've heard from people on my list that they consider me a friend, even though I've never met them. YAHOO!!! What a compliment.

    2. Create value. I love to create short Special Reports in my niches. Often it's just about following the basics. For instance, if your niche is quilting, then you might want to create a special report about some new thread or quilting technique that you've discovered. Or call up a quilter you admire and do a very short interview on (I dunno...) crazy quilts or something. Then send out your email WITH A LINK TO YOUR WEBSITE...to download. (can we say...driving traffic?) Encourage people to send the report viral. When people see the value of the report, they'll visit your site and sign up.

    3. The following suggestions are a few of my pet peeves...Have a legitimate reply to address. If people can't reply to you and give you extremely valuable feedback, then they will not only unsubscribe but they'll go away ticked off. Allow them to be able to contact you. This provides an extra level of customer service for you. Oh, and if you feel comfortable with it...provide your phone number. I just received an email from someone who sent his phone number when i signed up for his list and I thought "WOW!! i'm gonna start doing that."

    4. Provide a way that they can change their email address easily. People DO change their email addresses and it's frustrating if they can't easily change it. They'll probably just unsubscribe. Even better, let them know that you can change it for them and they'll probably appreciate that added little service.

    5. If you're going to promote something...TRY IT OUT FIRST!! I'm so sick and tired of people who promote products without knowing if they work or if the offer is legitimate. But what value added customer service if you send out a review for a product you're promoting and why. Both pros and cons. Back to our quilting example...Say you're promoting a new kind of thread. Try it yourself so you can explain in detail why they should purchase it and how it doesn't tangle or whatever (I'm not a quilter so not sure what thread actually does...).

    6. Promoting something - part B. If you're going to promote something and you're joining a bunch of others, then for heaven sakes, sit down and write your own email. I recently received a product launch letter from about 10 different marketers...all the same letter and all the same grammatical errors. Sure you can take some phrases and ideas from the email, but here's a great concept...DARE TO BE DIFFERENT!!! Since you've (hopefully) already tried out the product, then you can write from a different point of view.

    7. Double check your email first. I have a list with about a dozen different emails on it...that are all me. Different addresses and different names. Gmail, aol, yahoo, etc. Prior to sending out anything, i just slip the email into that list and blast it out to myself. I double check to make sure that it isn't flagged and doesn't hit any spam folders. I also make sure that the personalization works. There's nothing sillier than receiving a poorly written, grammatically incorrect email addressed to "Dear {Firstname}" and followed up with "your going to love this..." (If you don't know why the second example is wrong, then please revisit 4th grade.) AND if you're bad at grammar or English isn't your first language, just ask someone for help. Make a friend here at WF and ask them to take 3 minutes and read your copy.

    8. (Geez Chazz...aren't you done yet???? -- ok...last one, I promise...) Swipe files. I love them. I created a special address for all my list emails so I can swipe ideas and concepts and even the occasional phrase. It's a gmail account so I can receive unlimited emails. I've created folders: "OMG-GREAT", "Good" and a hall of shame called "WTF". (Most of the $37 dollar promotional emails go in the "WTF" file.)

    OK...I'm sorry that I probably over-answered this question. :::shrugs::: oh well...too much coffee today so my fingers are refusing to stay still.


    Best of luck Gabby on your list building and finding an autoresponder.



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    • Profile picture of the author RichMag
      Originally Posted by Chazzer View Post

      5. If you're going to promote something...TRY IT OUT FIRST!! I'm so sick and tired of people who promote products without knowing if they work or if the offer is legitimate. But what value added customer service if you send out a review for a product you're promoting and why. Both pros and cons. Back to our quilting example...Say you're promoting a new kind of thread. Try it yourself so you can explain in detail why they should purchase it and how it doesn't tangle or whatever (I'm not a quilter so not sure what thread actually does...).
      You hit on my biggest pet peeve Chaz.

      I know that with my list, I actually buy the product and read/watch/try it. A lot of my members are newbies so I tend to buy stuff that is more "Step by Step" programs. If I feel it is worth the moeny, Ill tell them. If not, Ill tell them that as well.

      At least once every other week Ill get a member who asks about a certain product. If it isnt too expensive, Ill buy it and review it for them and pass it along to my other list members.

      My list is no where near the numbers we are talking about but it really is all about building trust. Heck, I have a few members who will buy anything that I promote to them because I have did my work and built trust. Because of these folks (who spend their hard earn money on what I am promoting) I MUST try the product out first. It would be irresponsible not to.

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  • I am really not sure why anyone didn't mention it, but you should definitely look into Interspire for large 100k + lists as it costs considerably less for larger blasts.

    But it is also a good idea as others have suggested to evaluate your list, and see if you really have buyers on it or a low quality list that you are keeping around for no real good benefit. But definitely look at both options and then decide what is the course.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    I don't care if Aweber would charge more because their service is very reliable. I hope you don't think $792 for 100k subscribers is too much.

    Even at 1% conversion, which is 1000 subscribers. that will be enough for me to retire!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by gabby6480 View Post

      I've never owned a list before, and curious to ask big list owners (in non MMO niches) whether you're making much more versus without a list. How many offers could you promote each month?

      (Most of my subscribers would probably come from opting into a free mini-course of some sort)
      It's not the size of the list, but what you do with it.

      (Insert Caliban Darklocks "that's what she said" here)

      And you are asking a question that is "how long is a piece of string."

      Depends a lot on what that non MMO niche is. How many offers someone else can promote a month is not the same as how many you could promote enough without pi$$ing off your customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    This thread seems very familiar. Maybe because exactly the same subject seems to pop up so frequently.

    Here's my take for what it's worth.

    Aweber is clearly both the most popular and most expensive option when analysing the autoresponder market.

    I can kind of understand some of the reasons why people love Aweber.

    It appears to have a good deliverability record (but the same can be said of most of the professional services like GetResponse, TrafficWave, Imnicamail et al so not really a unique selling point).

    It has extensive analytics functions (but the same can be said of most of the professional services like GetResponse, TrafficWave, Imnicamail et. al., so, again, not really a unique selling point).

    It has easy integration. Hey, I know I would find something fairly unique as I went down the list. Because of Aweber's popularity, every plug-in, template, theme or software which requires autoresponder integration makes it very easy for Aweber customers to add their code. But still, the same could be said certainly for GetResponse and a couple of others. There are also more pre-made opt-in form options in Aweber for people who either lack the skills, time or imagination to make their own.

    Loads of people tell you that you simply must choose Aweber. Possibly, many Aweber customers would love to be with an equally efficient but lower priced service but are now locked in to their decision as it would be difficult to import a list elsewhere without another forced opt-in. These people will always then feel the need to re-justify their decision to go with Aweber both to others and to themselves at any given opportunity.

    But here's what I think is pure nonsense.

    All of what I would call the 'serious players' in this market offer the exact same thing. They all enable you to collate, manage and correspond to a list. They all have the systems and protocols in place to ensure that this happens with the maximum efficiency and dependability. Some have more bells and whistles than others. Some dashboards look prettier than others but, at the end of the day, they pretty much offer the same deal.

    My business experience tells me to maximise profits as a priority. Managing costs is part of that process and just to go with the most expensive option because you can afford it is stupid thinking.

    Going back to Briankoz's post a few up from this one. If those 33 sales were $15 each then that's $495. If there are 3 campaigns a month then we are talking $1500. If your list was with Aweber then you would have made about $700. If it was with TrafficWave, for example, then you would have made $1480 or so. Regardless of opening rates, click rates and sales (a lot of which depends, not on the autoresponder service, but on the e-mail, e-mail subject, content and offer) and regardless of how much money is being made the business with TrafficWave will always make $775 or so a month more bottom line profit.

    I agree that if you believe the shortfall in efficiency and sales would be greater than the saving made by choosing a lower-priced service, then fine, you should disregard the price differential.

    I just personally doubt that there is so much difference between the pro services to justify the cost.
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  • Profile picture of the author kcgeorge
    Yep,i agree if you are not making money paying over 700 bucks for autoresponder service seems crazy but for those who have quality list they don't have to worry about it. Building a list is very important in this business, i made the mistake when i started without building a list first, but it's not late, you can always build your list. Start today.
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  • Profile picture of the author calfred
    I think you gotta be careful if you wanna go the 100,000 subscribers route.

    Cause your e-mail server can crash.

    This is what I've heard.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
      Originally Posted by calfred View Post

      I think you gotta be careful if you wanna go the 100,000 subscribers route.

      Cause your e-mail server can crash.

      This is what I've heard.
      Sorry but that's not true as professional services run on dedicated servers. Sure if you are trying to do it yourself with a self hosted option it's possible unless you are set up right.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tum
    Originally Posted by mysteryleaves View Post

    It seems a lot of money unless you are making money
    To start out with why dont you try a free plugin for your list ? or doesnt this work very well ?

    WP Autoresponder - Email Newsletter And Autoresponder Plugin For WordPress

    I found this free plugin, but havent tried it yet !

    From reading the info, it seems to do exactly the same as the paid services.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
      Originally Posted by Tum View Post

      To start out with why dont you try a free plugin for your list ? or doesnt this work very well ?

      WP Autoresponder - Email Newsletter And Autoresponder Plugin For WordPress

      I found this free plugin, but havent tried it yet !

      From reading the info, it seems to do exactly the same as the paid services.
      Sorry but the wordpress plugin doesn't manage your list in any way or shape. Trying to run 100,000 list via a plugin would be sheer madness.

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      • Profile picture of the author Tum
        Originally Posted by Richard Tunnah View Post

        Sorry but the wordpress plugin doesn't manage your list in any way or shape. Trying to run 100,000 list via a plugin would be sheer madness.

        Rich
        Didnt say for a 100,000 list ! Was just saying to start out with while you dont have a list !
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    For sure you will start to run into problems with your (shared) hosting company if you start to make what they term 'mass mailing' through their servers. Even if you choke the send rate right down. Even if everyone double opted-in. Triple oped-in if you like, makes no difference.

    I know from experience using phpList.

    A list of few hundred or even a couple of thousand will go under the radar but over that and you will raise flags.

    No. If you are serious about building a worthwhile list, then you would need a dedicated server and, to be honest, its a lot cheaper and easier to let Imnicamail or TrafficWave do the job for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Wilson
    If you have 100k subscribers you don't worry about $792 because you'll be making 10 times of that.

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    • Profile picture of the author Adnimated
      Originally Posted by Daniel Wilson View Post

      If you have 100k subscribers you don't worry about $792 because you'll be making 10 times of that.

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      10 times? Make that 50 to 150 times that per month and it's more accurate.

      Btw: I know this is an old topic. My excuses if I brought it back up again. But I found it in Google when I was doing some research on Nanacast. Hence the reason for my question for Josh.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pierce
    When I first signed up with GetResponse I was bummed about having to pay a monthly fee but now that I have a decent sized responsive list I dont even think about that anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author shane_k
    Originally Posted by gabby6480 View Post

    So I've been reading up on the best autoresponder to go with, and most people say to go with aweber.
    Originally Posted by gabby6480 View Post


    I remember a few years back, before they added analytics, only charging $20 for the initial 10k subscribers and $10 for each additional 10k. Now it starts from $19 up too 500, then $792 once you've reached 100k!

    Now I know they have private label sites, but they charge close to awebers prices - same deal with getresponse (2nd best). I know there are other alternatives i.e. TrafficWave (flat rate / unlimited subscribers) but most marketers say to stick with aweber.

    I've never owned a list before, and curious to ask big list owners (in non MMO niches) whether you're making much more versus without a list. How many offers could you promote each month?

    (Most of my subscribers would probably come from opting into a free mini-course of some sort)



    The real problem that I see here is you are focusing way too much on the $792 price for 100k subscribers.


    As a beginner you are probably not going to be building a list of 100k subscribers anytime soon. Which means you will not be having to pay Aweber $792 anytime soon either.

    And focusing on the $792, when you have never built an email list before, nevermind not knowing how to profit from that list, will have your mind spinning on how are you ever going to be able to pay that $792.

    So, let's change your focus.

    The cheapest deal that Aweber has is $19/month for a 500 subscriber list. Now, $19/month doesn't seem so scary does it? I am sure you feel you can make at least $20/month selling something right?

    Of course!

    Now, let's say that you go onto Clickbank and you were able to find a product that you can promote that will pay you say a commission of $35.

    And, let's say that you put that product in front of 500 people. Do you think you "gabby6480" can convince 2 people, just 2 out of those 500 people to buy what you are selling, so you make $70?

    And looking at it like that, where you pay $19/month to make $51 do lists seem so scary now?

    In fact with a $35 commission all you need to do is to make 1 measly sale a month to cover your $19/month costs, and you will still profit $16/month. Obviously you have bigger goals than that.

    What you want to do is take baby steps, start off with Aweber's $19 account and you will learn to build a list, learn what works in selling to that list, and how to build relationships with the people on that list, then you will move up a step, and continue learning as you go along building skills and knowledge the whole time, and then by the time you do get to 100k subscribers you will already have the skills under your belt that you won't be worrying about $792 at all.

    So setup your $19/month account, and come back here and read what you can about lists and then take action to start building the skills to make a profit off of that $19 list.

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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    This thread made me laugh.

    To some people, the idea of spending any money-despite the fact that they can make 10 times as much (or more)- is just crazy!

    So let's see-

    If I send out just one email the whole month and get a poor open rate of 5%, I get 5000 opens.

    Let's say 10% of them click through to the offer, so that's 500 clicks.

    Let's say the offer has an EPC of $2, so you make $1,000.

    Not bad considering that was for just one email.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    I'm going to make this short, but sweet.

    An average (generally speaking) conversion rate online is 2%.

    100k x 2% = 2000 sales.

    Let's say your shilling something that only cost $2 to these 2000 customers.

    $2 x 2000 = $4000 - $792 = $3208

    Again generally speaking here. There will be some hefty CC processing fees, but that's beside the point here.

    But hey if your willing to turn down $3000+ profit, be my guest!
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    • Profile picture of the author trafficwave
      Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

      I'm going to make this short, but sweet.

      An average (generally speaking) conversion rate online is 2%.

      100k x 2% = 2000 sales.

      Let's say your shilling something that only cost $2 to these 2000 customers.

      $2 x 2000 = $4000 - $792 = $3208

      Again generally speaking here. There will be some hefty CC processing fees, but that's beside the point here.

      But hey if your willing to turn down $3000+ profit, be my guest!

      $4,000.00 - $17.95 = $3,982.05

      So I will say:

      If you want to spend an extra $774.05 just because "you should be able to afford it" ... well ... you know.

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  • Profile picture of the author becanada
    to run your own service ; would be $200 a month for a GOOD dedicated server plus the mailing software [one time fee].

    The question is ; is it worth it to save about $600 / month ?
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Don't know if i'm reading the OP wrong but she never said she has a 100K List. Where are you guys seeing that?

    I've never owned a list before, and curious to ask big list owners (in non MMO niches) whether you're making much more versus without a list. How many offers could you promote each month?
    She is asking for advice as to Autoresponders and list building...
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    It really depends on how much of your subscribers regularly purchase your products to deem if it's worth it
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  • Profile picture of the author JCorp
    As per OP, having a list is important. I don't necessarily make more from having a list than from not having one, but having a list opens up other venues and opportunities for profit. If you treat them right, you can continually benefit from them, and vise versa. They're like a congregation, give them good messages, help them improve their lives, lead them in the right direction and you're sure to have a faithful following...
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  • Profile picture of the author thekaver
    As long as you treat you list right you will make that back ten fold on a monthly basis
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  • Profile picture of the author Profolegy
    Mailchimp is great to get you started.

    Others.
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    Atomic Email Studio
    Autoresponse Plus
    Email Aces
    Get Response
    Infusionsoft.
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    List Mail Pro
    Lyris - email List Manager

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  • Profile picture of the author Praveen Kumar
    Hey ,

    You thought that aweber charge $792 100K and you know you can just earn 10x of the $792 but this is important building a huge list doesn't matter though how you are building relationship with the list does matter ,so this point means to be earning $1000 from 1k list with good relationship and earning $100 from a 100k list so , First you really need to understand , WHAT YOU'RE REALLY DOING!
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  • Profile picture of the author Debtkiller
    $792 once you've reached 100k!

    Hummm...with 100k subscribers you should be makin soooo much money you can afford $1000 Tips at the Country Club.
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  • Profile picture of the author Viramara
    if you have 100.000 subs and 50% open rate, sell them a $17 product and 2% buys, you already have $17,000 cash in hand and with $792 fee you still have $16,208 to keep.

    if you're still worry about the fee maybe you'd want to delete several people on your list who's no longer read your emails for more than 3 months?
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  • Profile picture of the author tampaprogrammer
    Here's a deal for you...

    You get 100k quality subscriber and I will PAY your Aweber monthly fee.

    All I ask is if I can send just one email per week to your list.

    Deal?
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    • Profile picture of the author igrowyourbiz
      Originally Posted by tampaprogrammer View Post

      Here's a deal for you...

      You get 100k quality subscriber and I will PAY your Aweber monthly fee.

      All I ask is if I can send just one email per week to your list.

      Deal?
      I will beat that deal

      I will pay your aweber account and pay you $500 cash per month to be able to send to them 1-3 times per week
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  • Profile picture of the author xlfutur1
    Yea, still on old pricing and only pay $29 bucks for about 15,000 subscribers to various lists. Another reason to make sure people on your list want to be there and will respond to offers you send them.
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