It's just plain going too far........

by HeySal
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Last night I got a folder of PLR articles I am rewriting for someone. I clicked on a few of the articles and my blood ran cold.
It is the most unbelievable collection of semi-literate trash I have ever seen. If this guy weren't a close colleague of mine I would have sent it back and canceled on the assignment as it's going to be much more work than I expected. The content is almost void of any information, the syntax is so trashed that the sentences don't even make sense at many points, the wording is stuck-record repetitive. Who wrote this crap? How much did my colleague pay for this crap? What if someone had purchased this package thinking they could just post it on their site in the form in which they purchased it?

I am assuming this package of unadulterated verbal diarrhea was twenty bucks or less for the package. The problem here is that the person writing this package has no business at ANY price offering writing services because that person CAN'T WRITE. How often I am hearing, "You want how much? Hell, I can get that for two bucks."
Oh no you can't - you can get what I just opened up to repair, but you can't get what I produce for two bucks. Sorry.

Yes work can be outsourced and purchased cheaper from some sources than from others. Such outsourcing has been the downfall of many very fine writers in the US and other more spendy countries. We can't all be competitive at 2 bucks a pop.
From what I have seen, we shouldn't need to. 99% of non-native speakers of any language can't compete with the writers who are native speakers of that language - and that is ALL languages, not just a few. If you need an article in German, you don't want an Italian writer - you want one who has German as a native language. Only they will understand the more obscure semantic constructions of that language. Someone from another language may be able to string words together correctly, but they will miss many of the native semantic and constructional idiosyncrasies that will make the work sound natural to the native speaker. That, I repeat, is a truth for any language, and I do have the credentials to say that.
If you are outsourcing writing, you need to outsource to whom can make it work for you best - and that is not a non-native speaker of the language you want the piece read in no matter what price you are offered.

Outsourcing cheap writing has also opened up the market to many who couldn't write with someone else's pen. Everyone and anyone thinks they can write and will sell complete vapid, ill constructed, and useless crap now. The person who wrote what I just saw should be getting refund requests up the ying. They might even be considered a fraud by some. If you can afford to spring the 20 bucks and not have to get a refund if it's trash, you are just facilitating incompetence if you just ignore the "theft". If you can't really afford to waste 20, you are getting screwed and I hope you can get a refund when you demand one. You might not, surprisingly, be able to contact the trash distributor to get a refund once you see what you bought. A person that would charge for such excrement probably doesn't have the brains or morality to understand they should give you one. You are stuck with jibrish that will just ruin your site and reputation if you post it.

I guess my point in all of this ranting is that the cheap outsourcing market has allowed too many to sell in markets they are not qualified to be in at all. If enough of you who can't write continue to sell, you are going to crash the market you are polluting. You are going to either have to return funds or you will end up run out of the market you are posing in. You will eventually get your butt boycotted anyway - word of mouth spreads fast.

Too many people are also fooled believing that adequate, or even good, specialized material can be purchased for a song and are getting ripped. You are going to end up either chasing refunds or re-doing work that you didn't have the time or skill to do in the first place - or worse, as my client is doing now, paying to have it redone into usable form. Each time you buy material from unqualified trash dealers, you are putting those who could have actually done the work adequately out of business. It is not only you that the unqualified sellers are hurting. A higher price is sometimes a much wiser buy.

If you are buying writing from someone, ask to see samples of their material. If they are truly writers, they will either have articles on submissions sites, salespages, or blogs to show you. If they can't produce samples - don't buy from them. Even a beginner can whip up a few articles to post on blogs or submission sites to serve as samples...if they can write in the first place, that is. A qualified beginner knows to do that. Outsourcing is one issue; having the market flooded by idiots who charge for something they can't do just to get some quick cash is another.

I feel in a forum such as this one, it is everyone's duty to keep trash out of the market, to protect our own from scammers and keep our community free of them. We need to disallow the mental deficiencies of trash dealers from lowering the reputation of the forum. Report scams, post refund requests and complaints in the WSO or ad you found it in if the offer is trash - and always ask for samples, whether you found the offer in a WSO, classified ad, or via networking with others.

By protecting yourself, you can protect the rest of your community, including the careers of those who are actually skilled performers in their chosen field.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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    Sal, are you sure it wasn't a article spinner that created it.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I'm not sure what created them - but if it was a spinner it was one being used to sell plr packages in here. The rant still applies.
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    Well it probably came from one of those ads: "I want 30 articles a day for $1 an article" So some dude in X country who barely can speak a sentence of English throws together a bunch of articles for $1 an article. Just a guess.

    Oh, nice seeing Sal up here in these parts too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lambert Klein
    I have to reject quite a few articles from my article directory. There's no doubt that a human had nothing to do with writing them..

    It's a shame..
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  • Profile picture of the author esr
    What exactly is an "article spinner." Is it a software program?

    I ask because I, also, just bought some PLR articles and they're so back I probably would have saved more time if I'd just written them myself. I even had the thought while reading them over that they're barely human, but I didn't know there was a software to write an article, if in fact there is.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Iklien - yeah it's rampant. You might be able to expect that someone using software to create writing would be smart enough to know to read it to see if it makes sense before trying to distribute it? To me that is just plain fraud. Let em put the crap on their own sites and pay retribution from the google gods - but don't try to pass it off as articles and sell them.

    BTW - I was just in Clarkston for a few weeks. We could have had coffee if I'd known you were out there. I find out everything a day late, I swear.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lambert Klein
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Iklien - yeah it's rampant. You might be able to expect that someone using software to create writing would be smart enough to know to read it to see if it makes sense before trying to distribute it? To me that is just plain fraud. Let em put the crap on their own sites and pay retribution from the google gods - but don't try to pass it off as articles and sell them.

      BTW - I was just in Clarkston for a few weeks. We could have had coffee if I'd known you were out there. I find out everything a day late, I swear.
      Yeah, that would of been neat. I live in Marion TWP betwwen Howell and Pinckney. Been here a year now.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Sal,

        I think a large part of the problem, is that, quite often, those commissioning the writing wouldn't recognize good writing themselves.

        I've recently had to outsource some articles for a project and when I mentioned a few corrections I'd had to make, the "writers" responded as though no-one had ever previously questioned their work.

        The obvious answer to your OP re. PLR is due diligence on the part of the purchaser; but, sadly, it seems that overall standards are so low that many writers are getting away with sub-standard work.

        Either that, or the quality of writing isn't always the most important factor when considering the intended use of the finished article.


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  • Profile picture of the author freudianslip27
    It seems like this problem is only going to get worse. The crazy thing is that you can find great writers for $2 a pop, but you really do have to put time into it.

    I wonder what the internet will be like in 5 years, how we will even find what we want?!?!?!

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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    Esr-try out an article spinner just for fun to see what they are. I put in one article out of curiosity and the most awful jibberish came out and not one half of a sentence made any sense. And the strangest words too.
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    I have just spun an article for people to see how it works:

    Here is the original article from my blogger blog:

    Growing up poor on a farm in the 30's and 40's, it's pretty obvious my grandmother and her family were not eating shrimp, steak, lobster, or any restaurant food.

    One of the most common meals they had was pinto beans aka soup beans and cornbread. Sometimes the cornbread was baked and sometimes it was fried.

    This was one of the most common meals and out of nostalgia many who grew up on this food still love it today. The soup beans are actually very healthy for you, plus it's a vegetarian and a cheap meal.

    I don't like pinto beans myself but I know a lot of people who will order soup beans and cornbread at Southern restaurants and Cracker Barrel. They also love onions in the soup beans. And some people love to put ketchup and mustard in their soup beans.

    For a snack it was common for children to take left over cornbread and crumble it up in milk and eat it with a spoon.

    Needless to say, people back then were a lot healthier than we are now and obesity was never a problem for poor rural folk.


    Here is the spun article:

    Growing up slummy on a farm in the 30's and 40's, it's pretty obvious my grandmother and her family were not intake shrimp, steak, lobster, or any restaurant food.

    One of the most ordinary meals they had was pinto beans aka soup beans and cornbread. Sometimes the cornbread was baked and sometimes it was fried.

    This was one of the most ordinary meals and out of nostalgia many who grew up on this matter still love it today. The soup beans are actually rattling healthy for you, plus it's a vegetarian and a cheap meal.

    I don't like pinto beans myself but I know a aggregation of grouping who will order soup beans and cornbread at Southern restaurants and Cracker Barrel. They also love onions in the soup beans. And some grouping love to put ketchup and mustard in their soup beans.

    For a snack it was ordinary for children to take left over cornbread and collapse it up in milk and eat it with a spoon.

    Needless to say, grouping back then were a aggregation better than we are now and blubber was never a problem for slummy rural folk.


    Some sentences are word for word. A few are quite humorous. I'll remove the original article soon so Google doesn't see it as duplicate content.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Reading the spun article (loved the "Growing up slummy")

      I began to wonder if some posts here are spun posts

      Expecting a simple program to be able to write like a real person is a joke - the only spinner I've seen that produced anything usable (can't remember the name of it) required so much setup time it would be easier to rewrite a few times yourself. Basically, that's what you were doing with that one.

      Sal, I hope you didn't quote cheap on those rewrites! You might as well offer to write completely new ghost articles at a slightly higher fee - might take less time.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by annoyedgirl View Post

      The soup beans are actually rattling healthy for you
      Hmmm... I love the sound of beans rattling in my stomach... everyone around me hears that and knows I'm eating healthy!

      The spinner didn't actually change very many words... can you set it at different levels to change more or less?
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    • Profile picture of the author esr
      Originally Posted by annoyedgirl View Post

      I have just spun an article for people to see how it works:

      Here is the original article from my blogger blog:

      Growing up poor on a farm in the 30's and 40's, it's pretty obvious my grandmother and her family were not eating shrimp, steak, lobster, or any restaurant food.

      One of the most common meals they had was pinto beans aka soup beans and cornbread. Sometimes the cornbread was baked and sometimes it was fried.

      This was one of the most common meals and out of nostalgia many who grew up on this food still love it today. The soup beans are actually very healthy for you, plus it's a vegetarian and a cheap meal.

      I don't like pinto beans myself but I know a lot of people who will order soup beans and cornbread at Southern restaurants and Cracker Barrel. They also love onions in the soup beans. And some people love to put ketchup and mustard in their soup beans.

      For a snack it was common for children to take left over cornbread and crumble it up in milk and eat it with a spoon.

      Needless to say, people back then were a lot healthier than we are now and obesity was never a problem for poor rural folk.


      Here is the spun article:

      Growing up slummy on a farm in the 30's and 40's, it's pretty obvious my grandmother and her family were not intake shrimp, steak, lobster, or any restaurant food.

      One of the most ordinary meals they had was pinto beans aka soup beans and cornbread. Sometimes the cornbread was baked and sometimes it was fried.

      This was one of the most ordinary meals and out of nostalgia many who grew up on this matter still love it today. The soup beans are actually rattling healthy for you, plus it's a vegetarian and a cheap meal.

      I don't like pinto beans myself but I know a aggregation of grouping who will order soup beans and cornbread at Southern restaurants and Cracker Barrel. They also love onions in the soup beans. And some grouping love to put ketchup and mustard in their soup beans.

      For a snack it was ordinary for children to take left over cornbread and collapse it up in milk and eat it with a spoon.

      Needless to say, grouping back then were a aggregation better than we are now and blubber was never a problem for slummy rural folk.


      Some sentences are word for word. A few are quite humorous. I'll remove the original article soon so Google doesn't see it as duplicate content.


      OMG!!!! As soon as I saw the word "aggregate" in your second article, I knew I'd been had. LMAO

      I purchased 50 articles the other day for the sum total of $3.98 and they all look just like your spun article.

      I am so naive (sp?). All I could think was that whoever wrote them didn't speak english very well.

      ROFLMAO. It's so funny to me that these PLR sellers will actually deliver these absurd articles to their customers as a finished product. JEEZ!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        At 8 cents an article - you're lucky there was writing on the page

        I've seen a lot of PLR (cheap PLR, that is) where the person just thinks rambling on for a few paragraph about the general topic is good enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    lol I also liked this sentence: grouping back then were a aggregation better than we are now and blubber was never a problem for slummy rural folk.

    Blubber was never a problem for slummy rural folk lmao

    Sal, just use a spinner for the rewrites, I'm sure they'll be very interesting
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    LOL Kay - yep, he's getting a bargain this time. That's okay this time though considering it is a friend as well as client. The other client has ordered just fresh copy so the price was actually according to original writing. His order is actually being easier to fill, LOL.

    When I said jibrish, it wasn't as bad as the spun stuff AG just posted. It just has no real information to switch around or reword in the first place. The word "business" is repeated about 7 times in the first 4 lines. And there are a lot of syntax mistakes, but the semantics fit - It's human writing - but it's writing I would have flunked a 7th grade student for turning in.

    I realize that many that have no clue how to write think that they are experts. I used to teach and all of my students thought they were experts, too. That was school - this is the business market. Whoever said that maybe some people don't care as long as it serves their purposes - how could crap serve a purpose, it's not fertilizer. With search engines getting fussier all the time, just throwing out anything that has keywords on it isn't going to cut it much longer, if it does at all even now. And what about customers? Who the hell is going to click to a site when the literature coming from the site makes it obvious the owner is clueless?

    It's all good - once people get fed up enough with purchasing trash and once the inept have to refund or run and hide the market will shed them. It just floors me that someone would have so little pride and integrity to get into a market they are not suited for. If you think you can write and would like to try, it's very easy to write something and send it to an actual expert and have them tell you honestly and non-partially where you stand.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurieslegends
    Sal,

    I feel what you are saying. It seems to rewrite plr is often times more difficult that writing the same topic from scratch.

    Laurie
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Well, let's just hope that an aggregation of grouping will take this thread to heart and buck their ideas up!



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