by tjc348
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Ok, so I have found a good system that I am going to put to work. But my first step is obviously finding the right product to sell.

I am well aware of what to look for when it comes to gravity and I know how I am going to do keyword research, but right now I am stuck on finding the right niche.

I am going to be writing a lot of articles (2-3 a day) and not only do I need to find a good niche, but it also needs to be something that i'm going to be able to write 30 different articles on.

If anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it!

I am making more progress today than yesterday, and I find that to be an awesome thing. So I appreciate all of the help people are giving me in this forum.

-Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author tjc348
    btw, I was leaning towards GREEN products, such as solar energy guides and such. let me know what ya guys think.
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    • Profile picture of the author magnates
      Glad that you are taking the initiative and executing . Nice .

      Personally , unless you are building backlinks , article marketing has never worked for me.

      The process is :

      Peoples problem---> Product/Service Solution---> Sales Page That converts--> Traffic and relationships---->$$

      More important than doing the work yourself is getting to know key players in the niche you are interested in . You don't need to know anything about it anything in the niche , only get to know the people that are passionate and work with them

      Hope that helps in some way
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      • Profile picture of the author David McKee
        Originally Posted by magnates View Post

        You don't need to know anything about it anything in the niche , only get to know the people that are passionate and work with them...
        I disagree with half of this statement. To be passionate enough about a niche so that you can write convincing articles with real, meaty content...you must be passionate about the niche. That implies knowledge.

        The fact that you also said "get to know the people that are passionate about the niche" is the saving grace, as that is essential as well - and doing so will allow you to learn and then get passionate about that niche.

        Content is king, and content requires knowledge.

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  • Profile picture of the author alfeathea
    Green products are a good idea. I'm considering their Money and Employment section,
    with so many people looking to make ends meet these days, put promote what you're comfortable with.
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  • Profile picture of the author robbeh
    Typically we look for the niche before the product. If you are looking for green - brainstorm everything green...use your favorite keyword tool and check the niche out with exact matches..

    THEN I would look for a product to match the niche. If you are really set up on just picking a product then head over to CBengine and look for a product with a steady trend over half a year plus. Then we know it converts.

    Hope that helps,
    Robbeh
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  • Profile picture of the author tjc348
    Thanks guys, and yes I am going to set up a lot of backlinks, writing a lot of articles that link to my landing page(blogs).

    I am interested in the GREEN market, personally because I believe that it is what a lot of people are turning to these days. It's all about saving money and helping the environment.because Many people are looking for alternatives to saving money, and in my opinion this is a great way. This is just my opinion. I just wanted to know if anyone else thinks it is a good niche to market.

    I've written a few papers on eco-friendly products and how they benefit the environement, so I am a little bit familiar with this niche.

    I also feel like there is a lot of information on solar energy and other GREEN products which will make it somewhat easier for me to write numerous articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author tjc348
      Anyone have any opinions? The reason I am so eager to hear feedback is because this is basically going to be the first niche I promote with a campaign. I just want to know if it is a good market
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      • Profile picture of the author bretski
        Have at it if that's where your heart lies but nobody is running around searching desperately for information on how to conserve energy in an environmentally friendly way.

        While "green products" might be a great niche to get into if that's a passion of yours or something that you know a lot about it's probably not going to make you much money if you're just starting out. I'm just sayin'... not trying to be a downer here.
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  • Profile picture of the author tjc348
    It's no problem, I'm open for any opinions. What is a good niche that is not overly saturated or too competitive?
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      Originally Posted by tjc348 View Post

      It's no problem, I'm open for any opinions. What is a good niche that is not overly saturated or too competitive?
      No such animal. If there is money to be made there are people competing for that money. You don't want the whole pie... you just want your piece of that sweet, filling and delectable pie.

      Think about your own life... has there ever been a time when you were in such pain or such need that you turned to the internet to search for an answer?... that your life was turned upside down and you couldn't think of anything else until you resolved this problem? Maybe it was a divorce, or impending foreclosure of your home or you needed some quick cash or you absolutely had to know how to seduce that hot barista at Starbucks... or maybe you had thrown out your back and the pain pills just weren't cutting it... or you had a ringing in your ears that wouldn't stop... or you were tired of having man boobs.

      It makes it easier in the beginning to write about stuff that you have experience with. It tends to come out in your writing, if you're doing article marketing. You come across as more genuine and believable. Not sure why that it but it just does in my experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nigel Greaves
    While the green market is huge and profitable you might find that the solar energy sub-niche is getting quite crowded. Personally I got out of it a couple of years ago for just that reason but hey you might be more successful.

    Good luck with whatever you decide on.

    Nigel
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  • Profile picture of the author NateRivers
    Originally Posted by tjc348 View Post

    Ok, so I have found a good system that I am going to put to work. But my first step is obviously finding the right product to sell.

    I am well aware of what to look for when it comes to gravity and I know how I am going to do keyword research, but right now I am stuck on finding the right niche.

    I am going to be writing a lot of articles (2-3 a day) and not only do I need to find a good niche, but it also needs to be something that i'm going to be able to write 30 different articles on.

    If anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it!

    I am making more progress today than yesterday, and I find that to be an awesome thing. So I appreciate all of the help people are giving me in this forum.

    -Tim
    Tim,

    Long tail fitness keyword phrases are never-ending, and it's about as hungry a market as you can get. If you're really going to churn out 2-3 articles a day, having a couple hundred ranked pages for phrases getting searched 200-500 times a month really adds up.

    But, you could do this with a lot of niches, such as your green energy niche.

    Maybe choose something that you know enough general info about that you can just sit down and pound out the articles without having to think too hard about.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by tjc348 View Post

    I am well aware of what to look for when it comes to gravity
    Gravity's quite easy (as long as you ignore the misinformation that a lot of the "guidebooks" offer ).

    There's a summary of "how gravity really works" in this post, though it sounds like you may not need it.

    (A thought or two in this post might also be relevant in this context.)

    Originally Posted by tjc348 View Post

    If anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it!
    If it helps at all, my own 10-point checklist for selecting Clickbank products is in this post.

    Good luck, Tim.
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    • Profile picture of the author tjc348
      Thanks Alexa, your post really helped me determine what and what not to look for when chosing a product, but I am still have a difficult time finding the right niche.

      One nich that I am familiar with is automotive, such as painting a car yourself or prepping a car for a paint job, because I have had experiences with this. But, I do not see any products on CB that relate to this.

      I was looking at the health niche and found a something that looks like a quality product. It is called moles, wart, and skin tag removal. The gravity is neither too high or too low, and from looking at the sales page it is pretty convincing and does not have anything that I personally would question. I know what it is like to have a mole or some sort that you really wish was not there! And most of the time people are willing to try anything besides spending hundreds of dollars at the dermatologist.

      Has anyone had experience with health/skin care niche?

      I searched through yahoo answers and found many people asking questions about moles, warts, and skin tags. They all seem to be looking for a home remedy to solve their problem. Also, I do not see many other people trying to promote products on yahoo answers in this niche.

      Does anyone think this is worth promoting?

      The reason I ask is because once I chose a good product, I am going to build an entire campaign around it. I don't to waste three to four weeks of hard work to find out that it is not going to sell. Then again, I guess this is part of the game.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by tjc348 View Post

        One nich that I am familiar with is automotive, such as painting a car yourself or prepping a car for a paint job, because I have had experiences with this. But, I do not see any products on CB that relate to this.
        Start writing, then - yours will be the first (and that does, actually, sound like a potentially good niche, to me).

        Originally Posted by tjc348 View Post

        most of the time people are willing to try anything besides spending hundreds of dollars at the dermatologist.
        I hear you. I don't, myself, promote anything that might ever "keep people away from the doctor", and might be concerned about "moles", specifically, because changes in colour/size/texture of longstanding moles can be an indication of malignancy ... :confused:

        Originally Posted by tjc348 View Post

        Has anyone had experience with health/skin care niche?
        It's a huge niche. Really a "market", not so much a "niche". There'll be huge numbers of people here with experience of promoting "Clickbank skin e-books", but many are reulctant to join such conversations and disclose their niches ...

        Originally Posted by tjc348 View Post

        I don't to waste three to four weeks of hard work to find out that it is not going to sell. Then again, I guess this is part of the game.
        Well, it's also part of the game to try to minimise it. It's my firm belief that most "quick testing" people do in this area (and especially the idea of direct-linking from article directories in an attempt to "test" :rolleyes doesn't actually tell them what they need to know to judge whether or not it's worth building a list and taking seriously. I do think judging by the sales page and the product itself is really fundamental, and in the long run repays the enormous amount of time and effort that goes into it. Product selection really is a huge factor in determining whether or not you end up making a living from it.

        I know you're asking about niche selection, really, and I have very little help to offer on that subject other than (of course) my observations in the post linked to above about firmly avoiding any niches in which some of the targeted customers are themselves Clickbank affiliates; those, I'm convinced, are - by comparison with others - a potential disaster area and a minefield.
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  • Profile picture of the author tjc348
    Does anyone know if there is a good way of finding out the demand for a product like this as far as research, numbers, stats?
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  • Profile picture of the author tjc348
    Thanks, you are completely right about keeping people away from the doctor. This could be tragic in some cases, because well frankly, moles can be cancerous and people should get professional advice for that. I don't want to be that kind of person just to make money lol.

    Maybe to test some products I will try writing some articles or answering some questions in yahoo answers with a direct link to the product.

    Another product in the skin care niche I was interested in is Acne solutions/remedies.

    I was looking at Ezine article site and looking at different niches and sub niches. I am looking at the "most viewed articles for the last 60 days" and seeing how many views they've had. One of the Articles on Acne has had over 4,500 views since march 11th.

    Since I am new to affiliate marketing, I am not sure if that means it is a good niche to shoot for or a bad one. Seems to me if you can get that many views in a month and a half, with some good SEO and backlinking etc, I don't see why I couldn't rank up there on google with a relative product/article.
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  • Profile picture of the author Valuable Solos
    Choosing a CB product that can sell, that is not already in a saturated niche is really hard. Have you decided on a product yet?
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  • Profile picture of the author tjc348
    I've been looking for a good product to promote for about three hours now lol.. At this point I am starting to lean towards acne remedy/solution.
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    Whatever niche you choose, make sure you pick articles with keywords that can rank well. This will get you the traffic. It's very easy to write a general article about "weight loss" and you will get zero traffic because everyone's content ranks higher than yours. Pick some long tail keywords with good traffic and you will be well on your road to getting some good sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author tjc348
      I'm going off of the newbie workbook. Basically, it tells me to gather keywords from articles that have been viewed the most in the past 60 days from ezinearticles(in my niche/topic). Then, I am to take those long tailed keywords and put them into a keyword research tool such as Word Track( what I am using). It says to pick long tail keywords that have atleast 30 or more searches per day, but Word Tracker does not show me the daily amount of searchs for keywords. It only shows me the amount that keyword has been searched in the past thirty days, which is high numbers like 250k and such. These words are obviously too high for me to compete with because ill never rank on google with such keywords.

      I am then supposed to type those longtailed keywords into google to see if there are any free sites ranked on the first page, along with the number of search results.

      It says that if the number of results for a keyword is less than 20,000 then I have a good chance of ranking for that keyword.

      I am having a very difficult time using the research keyword tool (word tracker) in order to find the best long tail keywords.

      Btw, I am trying to find good keywords for an acne product. But it seems that there is way too many keywords that are flooded with results and such. Is that a sign that I should not try promoting such a over saturated niche?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by tjc348 View Post

        It says that if the number of results for a keyword is less than 20,000 then I have a good chance of ranking for that keyword.
        You can work out for yourself that there's no logic there, Tim.

        The number of "competing sites" (and any other parameter derived from measuring that) has in itself absolutely no relevance to how competitive a keyword is for the purpose of deciding whether or not to compete.

        Simple question: what would you rather compete with - a keyword which has 10,000,000 sites listed but the front page includes directory articles, nothing above PR-1 and nothing special at all, or a keyword which has 10,000 sites listed of which the first 10 sites (first page SERP's) are all age-old high-PR authority sites with 100,000 backlinks each from other age-old high-PR authority sites?

        It's a real no-brainer, isn't it?

        Realisitically, you are competing with the top 5 sites in the SERP's in either case.

        Who cares whether those 5 are followed by 9,995 others or 9,999,995 others? :confused:

        "Competition", like so many other parameters involved in internet marketing, has almost nothing to do with quantity at all: it's all about quality (in this case SEO quality of the first-page SERP's sites).
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        • Profile picture of the author tjc348
          The question, it's really a no brainer, isn't it? Has me kind of stumped. lol

          I'm pretty much confused at this point. I understand what you mean when you say no matter what the numer of results, I am still competing with whoever is on the first page. but I am more likely to successfully compete with the top fives pages being free sources like youtube, article sites, and blogs rather than being able to compete with Authority sites. Right?

          I am going to be writing all of my articles and linking them to a blog, so does that make a difference?

          What are the key areas I should focus on when I am doing keyword research?

          Thanks for everyones help, i'm really trying to figure the keyword thing out because I know how crucial it is. If im not using the right keywords then im not going to get traffic or sales.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by tjc348 View Post

            I understand what you mean when you say no matter what the numer of results, I am still competing with whoever is on the first page. but I am more likely to successfully compete with the top fives pages being free sources like youtube, article sites, and blogs rather than being able to compete with Authority sites. Right?
            Right.

            In general.

            Usually, seeing article directory articles among the first page results in the SERP's is a pretty good sign. But "in general" doesn't really cut the mustard. What one needs is "specific", not "general" - and specifically the SEO-quality of the top 5 (or top 4, if you like) results. Those are one's realistic competitors.

            Originally Posted by tjc348 View Post

            I am going to be writing all of my articles and linking them to a blog, so does that make a difference?
            Not really. That's what I do, anyway.

            I publish them all on my own blog/site first, of course (always do this!) and have them indexed there. Then I submit them to article directories and more importantly to other, better places, with links to that blog/site's landing-page. (Not to the original copies of the articles concerned, of course).

            Originally Posted by tjc348 View Post

            What are the key areas I should focus on when I am doing keyword research?
            You need people who do much more keyword research than I do, to answer this one.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by tjc348 View Post

        ...Btw, I am trying to find good keywords for an acne product. But it seems that there is way too many keywords that are flooded with results and such. Is that a sign that I should not try promoting such a over saturated niche?
        SERPs are not any indication that the niche is over saturated at all. On the contrary, the level of competition is generally more of a very good indication of how lucrative it is. Take a look at the amount of money that is being spent on the keyword PPC ads.

        Btw, that's the type of competition I like best!
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  • Profile picture of the author mr.gaurabborah
    I would suggest you to get MARKET SAMURAI. It is a great tool to find low competetion high traffic keywords. You can rank easily within less time for these keywords and wat else you get a lot of free traffic and money.
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  • Profile picture of the author tjc348
    Alexa, you say that you do article writing and you drive traffic to a blog. Just curious, if you don't mind me asking, how profitable is this technique?

    If I have good keywords and a quality product. If I write 2-3 articles a day with links to my blog and I properly publish and index to my blogs, what is a reasonable expectation as far as sales? How much a week atleast can I pull in from sales?
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  • Profile picture of the author tjc348
    btw, I have found some good tutorials and examples of keyword research. I think that i'll be able to find good keywords to work with now.
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