Create More Products - Some Simple Advice Hardly Anyone Follows

by Zeus66
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I do some private mentoring on how to break into the IM product creation business, and I wanted to pass on something that I tell my clients...

You know the biggest "mistake" I see in IM in terms of info products? Actually, there are two of them:
  1. Trying to cover way too much ground in one product.
  2. Too much about theory and not enough about specific, step-by-step actions.
#1 seems counter-intuitive, but if you think about it from a customer's standpoint it makes more sense. Customers want something they can easily digest. They will get overwhelmed if you hand them a 300-page monster full of everything you can possibly think of. Know what I mean? Small chunks of tightly focused information leave more of your customers feeling satisfied and that they can do what you've laid out.

#2 is, I think, probably easier for all of us to grasp. Some amount of concept/theory explanation is necessary in most IM info products, but a lot of creators overdo this big-time. Your buyers want actionable information a lot more than they want the theories behind it all.

Of course, you have to price accordingly, but this comes down to what your long-term goals are (or should be). What will you do if you give it all up in one big product? Where will you go next? These are questions you must answer before you post your first WSO.

So, the 'win-win' answer here - where both you and your customers walk away happy - is to break things down to manageable chunks in each product. For example, I'm working on a keyword product right now. I've spent 2-3 days now just outlining what I want to cover and what I can leave out. I don't mean leaving out important steps or details that my customers will need to implement what I'm teaching! Please don't misunderstand me here on that point. I just mean figuring out what must be included to get my readers from A to Z in the shortest possible path and without a lot of spreading out into tangents they don't need. It's harder than it sounds, but you can definitely learn how to do this.

So, by the time I'm done I'll have an info product with a nice, tight focus. I'm only trying to accomplish one big goal in it. Not a bunch of stuff.

Here's why this is such a good thing for everyone (win-win)...

You (the product creator) now have somewhere to go in your next product. You didn't give everything away in a full system and essentially put yourself in the corner with no exit. Your buyer wins because they get a really focused, useful tutorial with simple steps to follow. They know going in that you're going to show them vital things about just one (or at most two) critical things they need to know how to do to make money.

I pay close attention to the feedback I get from my buyers. I can tell you without any doubt that when you follow this method you get more happy customers. They don't feel overwhelmed. They feel confident and empowered when they finish that they can actually do what you just taught them. All because you took the time to keep things tightly focused and gave them everything in a very step-by-step fashion. Trust me, buyers CRAVE that! Give it to them and you'll win a customer for life.

And of course, as I mentioned, you win too because now you have some material left for your next product. You didn't shoot your wad in one big monster product. And best of all, all those buyers of your first product will look forward to everything else you put out.

See? Everybody wins!

Hope that helps a bit if you've been struggling with creating products or wondering what the best approach is.

John
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  • Profile picture of the author ReachOneMedia
    You know the biggest "mistake" I see in IM in terms of info products? Actually, there are two of them:
    1. Trying to cover way too much ground in one product.

    Have we met before? It's like you know me for years. I do like to put more stuff in my product than it actually requires. Relevant stuff of course.

    But it's time consuming!
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  • Profile picture of the author calfred
    Good post John.

    The money is in product creation.

    This is really true.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      The debil is in the details though. I always find myself asking, "but what if they don't know how to set up a Wordpress blog" or "what if they don't know how to buy a domain" and off I go down a rabbit trail... the 50 steps BEFORE the work really starts that I sort of take for granted that I know that a new marketer might not know.

      But on the other hand, I don't want to bore the snot out of someone that DOES know these things with my mindless chatter that might be misconstrued as "fluff"
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      • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
        Originally Posted by bretski View Post

        The debil is in the details though. I always find myself asking, "but what if they don't know how to set up a Wordpress blog" or "what if they don't know how to buy a domain" and off I go down a rabbit trail... the 50 steps BEFORE the work really starts that I sort of take for granted that I know that a new marketer might not know.

        But on the other hand, I don't want to bore the snot out of someone that DOES know these things with my mindless chatter that might be misconstrued as "fluff"
        That's actually what I'm talking about! You do a product just about setting up a WP blog - installing, picking theme, essential plugins. See? That's your tightly focused info product! The next one can be about what you can do with your new WP blog to make money... pick one method, like CB or Amazon or Adsense.

        Not only do you now have multiple products, but each one is laser focused and in a nice bite-size chunk that anyone can digest. Trust me, buyers want that! They don't want the huge novels that take them hours to read and days to implement. Everybody wins.

        John
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          Ok... shaddap... you're giving away too many secrets. This secret in itself is worth it's weight in gold you Evil Genius.
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        • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
          Very timely post, John.

          I have been just bashing my head on the wall creating a product simply because I was trying to make it cover everything about the subject. I just need to back it off and keep to the idea I had in mind from the beginning.

          The earlier chapters of the book cover different subjects. Guess I have a couple of products done already.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Absolutely. I can see how this advice would apply just as well for non-IM products.
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  • Profile picture of the author shuvo
    Thanks for sharing.I hope this will help us to create more converting products.
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

    I do some private mentoring on how to break into the IM product creation business, and I wanted to pass on something that I tell my clients...

    You know the biggest "mistake" I see in IM in terms of info products? Actually, there are two of them:
    1. Trying to cover way too much ground in one product.
    2. Too much about theory and not enough about specific, step-by-step actions.
    #1 seems counter-intuitive, but if you think about it from a customer's standpoint it makes more sense. Customers want something they can easily digest. They will get overwhelmed if you hand them a 300-page monster full of everything you can possibly think of. Know what I mean? Small chunks of tightly focused information leave more of your customers feeling satisfied and that they can do what you've laid out.

    #2 is, I think, probably easier for all of us to grasp. Some amount of concept/theory explanation is necessary in most IM info products, but a lot of creators overdo this big-time. Your buyers want actionable information a lot more than they want the theories behind it all.

    Of course, you have to price accordingly, but this comes down to what your long-term goals are (or should be). What will you do if you give it all up in one big product? Where will you go next? These are questions you must answer before you post your first WSO.

    So, the 'win-win' answer here - where both you and your customers walk away happy - is to break things down to manageable chunks in each product. For example, I'm working on a keyword product right now. I've spent 2-3 days now just outlining what I want to cover and what I can leave out. I don't mean leaving out important steps or details that my customers will need to implement what I'm teaching! Please don't misunderstand me here on that point. I just mean figuring out what must be included to get my readers from A to Z in the shortest possible path and without a lot of spreading out into tangents they don't need. It's harder than it sounds, but you can definitely learn how to do this.

    So, by the time I'm done I'll have an info product with a nice, tight focus. I'm only trying to accomplish one big goal in it. Not a bunch of stuff.

    Here's why this is such a good thing for everyone (win-win)...

    You (the product creator) now have somewhere to go in your next product. You didn't give everything away in a full system and essentially put yourself in the corner with no exit. Your buyer wins because they get a really focused, useful tutorial with simple steps to follow. They know going in that you're going to show them vital things about just one (or at most two) critical things they need to know how to do to make money.

    I pay close attention to the feedback I get from my buyers. I can tell you without any doubt that when you follow this method you get more happy customers. They don't feel overwhelmed. They feel confident and empowered when they finish that they can actually do what you just taught them. All because you took the time to keep things tightly focused and gave them everything in a very step-by-step fashion. Trust me, buyers CRAVE that! Give it to them and you'll win a customer for life.

    And of course, as I mentioned, you win too because now you have some material left for your next product. You didn't shoot your wad in one big monster product. And best of all, all those buyers of your first product will look forward to everything else you put out.

    See? Everybody wins!

    Hope that helps a bit if you've been struggling with creating products or wondering what the best approach is.

    John
    Great post John! I think this not only goes for the IM niche market but for all markets. I think most people who are looking for information to purchase don't necessarily want to read a 300 page monster as you put it. And it's a good idea to plan your products before you even start with the creating of them. Thanks again for posting this!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    John,



    You raise some great points here. Especially number 1.
    1. Trying to cover way too much ground in one product.
    I think some of the smartest marketing decisions, especially when it comes to product creation is to ask yourself during the development phase .....

    "Can I split this one $147 product into 5 or more $67 products?"

    It really is quite amazing when you take the time to actually stop and think about how to really maximise the earnings potential of your products by doing this.

    Question - How would you deliver a 300+ page ebook to customers using your strategy of "breaking down the content?"
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Question - How would you deliver a 300+ page ebook to customers using your strategy of "breaking down the content?"
      I think if I had something that really could not be broken up, then it's going to be something pretty advanced. So I would use something of that length and depth as an upsell. You want the people who buy your shorter, more focused stuff to come along on a journey with you, if you follow my meaning. You want them to advance and progress as you put more stuff out that probably gets more and more advanced itself. Lead up to the more involved systems that a 300-page product would entail.

      I mean, you could start right off and target that market, but there aren't a lot of marketers who can jump right in as unknowns and sell to an audience that a 300-page ebook would cater to. All of this assumes, of course, that you are not filling your ebooks with fluff just to pump up the page count (or having lots of white space or using a huge font size, etc.).

      I think this is mostly about planning your info product business as a long-term thing, not just a way to make a buck here and there. Plan ahead and think where you want to take your buyers as they (hopefully) stick with you and buy everything you put out. I can usually tell when someone hasn't done that because their products try to tackle every detail and go down every avenue they can think of. Those kinds of products almost always lose their way and end up being confusing and disjointed. The creator ends up leaving out crucial details in their zeal to cover all possible ground.

      The hardest part for me of creating an info product isn't writing it. That's actually pretty easy, relatively speaking. It's outlining it and refining things down to where I have a nice tight focus. It's hard to do! There are just so many little tangents that lure you down a side path constantly if you aren't disciplined and laser focused.

      I guess what I'm saying is that I would not necessarily break down a long product that covers a lot - if your goal at the outset was to provide more advanced buyers something like that. But the pool of advanced buyers in most niches is not nearly as large as that of newer and intermediate buyers. Those are the people who will buy the most and who want simpler, shorter, more focused and step-by-step stuff from products they buy. Save the longer, in-depth, adavanced stuff for later on when those early buyers have "matured" and can handle it and be happy with it.

      John
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    great advice...learning to put more products and more free stuff out there.

    IT is interesting that putting free stuff out there actually makes more money for me.

    But it is about the content you put in your ebook and links *aff link* and other things that gets peopel clicking and buying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maayan Gordon
    I think people just want something they can understand and that is easy to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    You're right about not putting an overwhelming amount of detail in it, but at the same time you have to make the product simple enough for a novice to understand and involved enough for an advanced marketer to get through.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
      Originally Posted by O0o0O View Post

      You're right about not putting an overwhelming amount of detail in it, but at the same time you have to make the product simple enough for a novice to understand and involved enough for an advanced marketer to get through.
      I don't agree, at least not in all cases. I think this is a common misconception. You should target a specific audience in terms of their experience level (at least in the IM niche this is true). I almost listed a third mistake in my OP: shooting over your audience's head by assuming knowledge they don't have. And I think that is a common problem. And so I think to your point that we should try to make a product understandable to the novice and save the advanced stuff for another product for people that constitute that more advanced market. Separate them. Just be clear in your sales copy so you don't get dissatisfied buyers.

      I see a big part of my job as a product creator to bring my buyers along on a journey with me. I like to have themed products and have a loosely "beginner," "intermediate," and "advanced" option. It's not that cut-and-dried, but that's my guiding principle. Again, this is win-win. You get to sell more stuff to repeat buyers, and they feel accomplished and don't get confused as they progress up the chain.
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      • Profile picture of the author truesouth
        John, this is a great contribution. Thanks.

        When you mean the outline of the product, how you do it? I usually review books through Amazon, and their tables of contents.

        Can you tell us more about that?
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        • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
          Originally Posted by truesouth View Post

          John, this is a great contribution. Thanks.

          When you mean the outline of the product, how you do it? I usually review books through Amazon, and their tables of contents.

          Can you tell us more about that?
          I mean creating an outline of the product you plan to write. I do this every time because it helps me organize things in a step-by-step manner, and also it helps me sift out the stuff that really does not belong in this product. In other words, it helps me narrow the focus and avoid the "fluff."

          With a good outline (and I sometimes will spend 2-3 days just on the outline), the writing is the easy part. You just use the outline and flesh it out in paragraph form in the actual ebook. It keeps me on target and prevents running off on a tangent or losing my place and drifting as I write.

          John
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          • Profile picture of the author James Clark
            John,

            Agree with you a 100%. As a matter of fact my life is set-up the exact way that you talk about in the post. I do this on a day to day basis, but sometimes change things around.

            Lets be for real here, if you have been coming to WF for a couple of months and you don't know the basics, then I don't think you are serious about making money. I'm talking about basic stuff, like squeeze pages, auto responders, market research, and back-end stuff etc.

            But keep in mind, you can go into detail about everything that I mention above and get better at each step.

            Lastly, based on my experience I think people want a system that get results, and earn while you learn. When I was a little guy one of my Uncles taught me a valuable lesson about this business of selling. He was a land Salesman in the Carolinas.

            He taught me to develop a system of selling that will not leave you emotional drained at the end of the day, or you won't last too long.
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    • Profile picture of the author ohohdon
      Originally Posted by O0o0O View Post

      You're right about not putting an overwhelming amount of detail in it, but at the same time you have to make the product simple enough for a novice to understand and involved enough for an advanced marketer to get through.
      Do you really? If you're trying to do that, you might be targeting too broad a niche. Why not focus your efforts into creating a more detailed step-by-step product designed for just novice users or create a product that is more general, yet specific to advanced users.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    #1 is very true. I remember reading an affiliate marketing guide that was over 200 pages. I was literally pulling my hair.
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior Markets
    Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

    You didn't shoot your wad in one big monster product.
    John
    It really is how you tell 'em...
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    • Profile picture of the author Rashell
      I was thinking about this the other day. Only I was thinking it's like creating a curriculum.

      If you can remember back to preschool or 1st grade you learned letters and their sounds before they began to teach you the concept of reading. 1+1=2 came before .01(4-2)=.02

      You went through the 1st grade curriculum, then 2nd, etc. etc till the 12th grade and on if you decided to continue your education.

      In college you have to take course 101 as a prerequisite before you can even consider 201. All so you won't be asking course 101 basic questions in an advanced course 201 class. It keeps the "system" of education running along smoothly.

      And for each course you, your parents (or the townspeople through taxes) pay to progress with your education.

      You were never given all the information of the universe at once. And you were expected to have a decent understanding of the basics before you went to the next lesson.

      Even at a job you'll find at least 1 day training to run you through the details of how to get that job done. Still, you'd never have made it to that job's training course if you didn't pre-qualify for it.

      It's all modules of education built upon modules of education all interwoven to build comprehension.

      As you say it is more difficult on the educator but...

      It makes the learning a lot easier.

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  • Profile picture of the author kyhell
    John, once again you nailed it great thread and fantastic insights
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  • Profile picture of the author IdeaLady
    Of course, the biggest mistake is not creating a product at all. That also seems to be the most common one.
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  • Profile picture of the author ganesh
    Thank you very much John. I picked up some great tips from this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author millan879
    Hello,

    its becomes easy to create a product but for sales it will become little bit difficult it also depends on the product.

    thanks!!
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  • Profile picture of the author NateRivers
    To go along with product creation, most people also stress out about creating content for a membership site. You don't need to re-create wikipedia for your niche for people to join and keep paying you month after month.

    Just jump into it and start one, and fix your problems as you go because most people never end up actually starting a membership site or releasing a product because they're paranoid about "what people might think". -- The market will tell you if your stuff sucks or not, and then you just adjust.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Frei
    Luckily, the technology allows us to play with content as we want.

    A big "300-page moster" can be broken down into modules and served via email autoresponder with weekly/monthly subscription.

    I believe, the #1 mistake is beginners mistake. The person is not sure if "that's good enough product" and want to add more and more. And then some more. And when everything is done, there's something more to be added.
    The way to check if the product is good enough is to ask yourself: "does my product deliver the result I will promise?"
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  • Profile picture of the author paul wolfe
    John

    Great post. Great info.

    I'm working on outlines at the moment - intrigued as to how you do your outline. Do you have a formal system? Mindmaps? Brain dumps? Not looking for the process, if you could sketch some thoughts that would be appreciated.



    Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohsin Rasool
    Hi John,

    You have said it rightly!

    I see i have got my projects delayed also when I tried to get evertying covered.
    And I also can test that when followed this approach of focused jam-packed short
    product, i got my project completed on time, and got good results!

    Thanks for the good reminder!

    Mohsin
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