I was conned by someone on WF!

13 years ago

Well... sometimes you need to hit the wall, isn't it? Happens to all of us.

Regarding the backlinks:

If you bought profile backlinks, you should have known better. These profile links are basically SPAM and yes, they get deleted by webmasters worldwide. Why shouldn't they, right? What do they offer to forum owner/community?

Nothing.

Hopefully you'll realize the time and money you invested in dumb techniques can be used in white hat techniques... say, blogs in different IP's...?

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Sarah S

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

If you bought profile backlinks, you should have known better.

Hopefully you'll realize the time and money you invested in dumb techniques can be used in white hat techniques...

She may not have know where the backlinks would come from when she purchased them; she mentioned that the WF member sent her a report that she used to check on her links afterwards. I've seen several WSO's where people don't specify what sort of backlinks they will be creating, and they attract newbies with promises of getting tons of links, rather than getting good links, and many newbies simply don't know any better yet.

Of course, that's why it's always important to clarify this kind of information with the person creating the links, to be assured that they will be worth the money. It's unfortunate to have to learn this the hard way though. Try not to let it discourage you too much; just consider it a learning experience and keep on truckin'!

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oneplusone 13 years ago

The mods are probably going to delete this thread.

But I'd recommend Matt LaClear for SEO work, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out who can deliver the results and who can't on here — especially with "services".

Just read the reviews, look for people who talk about actual results in their reviews.

Not "friendly seller", "interesting concept", "great value" or some other BS.

Did the product/service produce RESULTS for any buyers?

That's what I always look for and that's why almost all the money I spend on here as a buyer is well invested.
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- edakehurst 13 years ago
  
  I agree with Fernando on this - I do not use a service, I do them myself or have someone on my team do them for me per my instructions. They all have anchor text and are all on relevant pages/blogs, not profiles or unrelated pages.
  
  One good quality link is worth dozens of garbage links, and the garbage links (as you found out) can actually hurt you instead of help you.
  
  It's a tough lesson, but one we all get at some point. Look at it this way: you paid not for links, but for the education on what not to do in the future. Sometimes that can be more valuable.
  
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- Clojo 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by oneplusone
  
  The mods are probably going to delete this thread.
  
  How come they will delete it?
  
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13 years ago

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Clojo

13 years ago

Thanks for the advice Fernando.

I have certainly learnt the hard way and won't be doing it again. I am relatively new to all this.

What would you recommend as being the best backlinking service?

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Fernando Veloso

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Clojo

Thanks for the advice Fernando.

I have certainly learnt the hard way and won't be doing it again. I am relatively new to all this.

What would you recommend as being the best backlinking service?

No problem, we ALL live and learn.

I don't use backlink services - I create them as per my needs. But assuming people pay 50$ per month to join a BL service, I'd rather invest it in new hosting plans and do my thing: create backlinks I own, in same niche, different IP's, etc etc.

Lot's of different stuff you can do if you have time and pocket money to spend every month.

All the best!

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DireStraits

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Clojo

Thanks for the advice Fernando.

I have certainly learnt the hard way and won't be doing it again. I am relatively new to all this.

What would you recommend as being the best backlinking service?

I can't recommend a specific service, but I can recommend a specific type of backlinking: blog commenting on high-PR, relevant blog posts.

A backlink from a comment on a blog post page that has already amassed a measurable PageRank can - depending on its PageRank value, of course - be worth hundreds, thousands or tens of thousands (or more!) the value of a single "profile backlink".

But don't expect to see much success with this, either, if the service is very low-cost. Firstly, it takes time to find such backlinking opportunities. And once you find them, your comments will seldom be approved unless they're genuinely helpful and relevant. So you might be better off doing this yourself ... or expect to pay a "premium" for it, especially relative to what little you'd expect to pay for profile backlinks.

Beyond that, "link-wheels" can be a reasonably effective way of increasing the value of otherwise poor quality links, but you'd have to find someone who knows what they're doing: backlinking structures of this type, that are easily discernible by Google or other search-engines, will quickly be devalued.

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13 years ago

I also recommend Matt LaClear for SEO work. I am currently watching my site jump quickly through the rankings. He gets results!

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Caleb Spilchen

13 years ago

How is it being conned to purchase a back link package, and use it - and be sand boxed. What the heck does the product author have to do with your website being sandboxed?

I'm not sure how you call that "being conned"

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Clojo

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen

How is it being conned to purchase a back link package, and use it - and be sand boxed. What the heck does the product author have to do with your website being sandboxed?

I'm not sure how you call that "being conned"

Caleb

I didn't say that the sandboxing was relevant, if you read my post. I questioned whether it did have any relevance? The point I was making is the package was worthless since most of the links do not exist anymore after just a month. In which case what is the point in providing the service in the first place? I would say simply to make a quick buck out of people who don't know any better.

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Caleb Spilchen

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Clojo

I didn't say that the sandboxing was relevant, if you read my post. I questioned whether it did have any relevance? The point I was making is the package was worthless since most of the links do not exist anymore after just a month. In which case what is the point in providing the service in the first place? I would say simply to make a quick buck out of people who don't know any better.

My reading skills must have broke. I saw backlink package and in my reading, didn't notice that you had purchased the service.

Here's the thing, a lot of websites that these providers will use, are going to delete there profiles, its inevitable. So it may not be there fault. However, normally a good provider will make it up by creating more links on different sites. Have you confronted the person about this?

They don't own the site, so they have no control over what the site owner does.. And it's essentially spam to the owner, so they're going to delete it.. You can't blame them can you?

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Clojo

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen

My reading skills must have broke. I saw backlink package and in my reading, didn't notice that you had purchased the service.

Here's the thing, a lot of websites that these providers will use, are going to delete there profiles, its inevitable. So it may not be there fault. However, normally a good provider will make it up by creating more links on different sites. Have you confronted the person about this?

They don't own the site, so they have no control over what the site owner does.. And it's essentially spam to the owner, so they're going to delete it.. You can't blame them can you?

Caleb

I can't confront them about it unfortunately as he is no longer on this forum which makes me more annoyed, else I would have just gone to him directly.

I completely agree about the site owner deleting the profiles, I would if I were them! I won't be buying anymore profile backlinking that is for sure!

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Tina Golden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Clojo

I can't confront them about it unfortunately as he is no longer on this forum which makes me more annoyed, else I would have just gone to him directly.

I completely agree about the site owner deleting the profiles, I would if I were them! I won't be buying anymore profile backlinking that is for sure!

Surely you had other contact with him then strictly through the forum? An email or Skype?

If you used PayPal, you at least have his contact information from there.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Clojo

The point I was making is the package was worthless since most of the links do not exist anymore after just a month. In which case what is the point in providing the service in the first place? I would say simply to make a quick buck out of people who don't know any better.

people chasing bright shiny objects are open to fraudsters and tricksters, nothing new or old, but just more of the same ol same ol. You basically funded a spammer to spam links, it cost you and its cost the forum owners countless wasted hours of time, the middle man runs with the $.

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Clojo

13 years ago

Originally Posted by tryinhere

people chasing bright shiny objects are open to fraudsters and tricksters, nothing new or old, but just more of the same ol same ol. You basically funded a spammer to spam links, it cost you and its cost the forum owners countless wasted hours of time, the middle man runs with the $.

Fool's Gold - A gold-colored mineral that is often mistaken for real gold. Also known as Iron Pyrite.

During historical periods of gold rushes, many less-than-knowledgeable miners would frequently believe that they hit the motherload upon finding a huge cache of fool's gold. Unfortunately, unlike the real stuff, fool's gold is relatively worthless.

You are right. And you always learn by experience.

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theplugindude

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen

I'm not sure how you call that "being conned"

Caleb

Exactly!!

Ok...Think of it in this way..

What if YOU were the service provider providing backlinks in the forum?

Would you have any control over the profile backlinks you build on other forums..?

Let me tell you this - Profile backlinks are just a part of the equation while doing SEO.

People do use Xrumer and go blast the forums...I agree...BUT...the person DOES NOT have any control over the backlinks he or she generates..You just need to live with that!

Well, I am not offending you or anything - I am just saying that profile links getting deleted is completely normal and a person should not be blamed if they are deleted..

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Clojo

13 years ago

Originally Posted by prats2992

Exactly!!

Ok...Think of it in this way..

What if YOU were the service provider providing backlinks in the forum?

Would you have any control over the profile backlinks you build on other forums..?

Let me tell you this - Profile backlinks are just a part of the equation while doing SEO.

People do use Xrumer and go blast the forums...I agree...BUT...the person DOES NOT have any control over the backlinks he or she generates..You just need to live with that!

Well, I am not offending you or anything - I am just saying that profile links getting deleted is completely normal and a person should not be blamed if they are deleted..

This is My honest opinion...Thanks!

This is all a steep learning curve for me, so now I know. The thing is I kind of think what is the point in providing a service if the links will be deleted?

What is it they say - buy cheap buy twice...never a truer word!

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DireStraits

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Clojo

This is all a steep learning curve for me, so now I know. The thing is I kind of think what is the point in providing a service if the links will be deleted?

What is it they say - buy cheap buy twice...never a truer word!

Well, backlinks are backlinks. They can and do help ... despite the fact these sorts of links, in terms of stickiness, are a bit hit-and-miss and typically of infinitesimal SEO value.

Services like this exist for the same reason as many other products/services of questionable stature: there is a demand for them. So long as there's demand, there will be supply to satisfy it.

Not to mention that such services are typically very low-cost, the backlinks are promised and delivered in large numbers (which is superficially attractive to many who don't quite appreciate that quality usually wins out, or indeed what constitutes a quality backlink at all) even if they don't stick for that long, and - in some cases - they're even falsely advertised as being "high-PR backlinks" (which they're not at all).

All of these things makes them attractive; attractive and in great demand, but not particularly useful.

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Clojo

13 years ago

Thanks everyone. All this info is really helpful! You guys are the Warriors that I love and why this forum is so ace! Thanks.

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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Clojo

I checked the report that I was sent by the person and found that most of my backlinks have been removed on profiles etc. Or the profiles don't even exist anymore!

Let me make sure I understand you.

You hired someone to make backlinks.

They gave you a list of all the places they put the backlinks.

This, to my understanding, is what you hired them to do.

And you checked that list and saw that you indeed had all those backlinks.

Right?

If not, then surely the individual you hired would not have given you a report that would have shown you the backlinks weren't there - so we can assume that when you received the list, each link on it did in fact contain what you paid for it to contain.

Because you've got absolutely no logical reason to say otherwise. It's not even a he-said/she-said situation, because you can't say. And your backlink provider will, of course, smile broadly and claim that he did indeed give you an accurate and honest list which could have been verified 100% when you received it.

So we'll just go ahead and pretend he's telling the truth, and you'll file away in your memory that you should always verify the report. That's what the report is for.

Later, Bad Things happened to you on Google, so you went back through the list and found your backlinks were now missing. Now, obviously, there are two possible reasons for this.

1. The person you hired did it.

2. Someone else did it.

Now, if you want to know whether the person you hired did it, there's a very simple way to figure that out.

Why would he do it?

Have your links been replaced by someone else's links, or are they just removed?

From what you've said, it seems like they've just been removed.

So your hypothesis is that you hired someone to create a valuable asset for you, and once they got paid for creating it, they went out and knocked it down.

WTF? Why would anyone do that? Why would anyone do all the work to put those links out there, and then - after being paid - go out and do just as much work to take them down?

That would be a scam, certainly, but it's a completely stupid one. Scammers want more money for less work, so instead of taking your money and then doing more work, they would take the money and just bugger off.

So, clearly, the person you hired didn't do it. (Unless, of course, your position is that you hired an incredibly stupid person to do your backlinks... which begs the question of why exactly you would do such an incredibly stupid thing.)

And that means someone else did it.

Well, there's nothing to be done about that. The world is full of all these other people, who have a tendency to do things. Many of these things are things you do not like, such as outranking you on Google, or selling more products than you do, or just plain not clicking on your AdSense ads. And if nobody is doing that to you, well, you're out there doing it to someone else.

But from what you've told us, it looks to me like you paid for exactly what you got. It's just that what you got isn't what you wanted, which isn't really your backlink provider's fault.

It's very easy to find a few dozen or even a few hundred sites where you can put backlinks and they'll stay up for a week or two. What's not very easy is to find sites where those backlinks will stay up for months or years without getting you sandboxed. So when you see someone with low-cost backlinks, remember that any moron can get you backlinked for a week.

Personally, I don't care much for backlinking and would recommend you don't buy backlink packages. But that's a personal decision that I'm not going to push in your face and demand you accept it.

And since he's been brought up already, I also think Matt LaClear is an awesome SEO guy. Even though I don't like or use the variety of SEO he does, the man knows his stuff, and it works.

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DireStraits

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

That would be a scam, certainly, but it's a completely stupid one. Scammers want more money for less work, so instead of taking your money and then doing more work, they would take the money and just bugger off.

+1 for an American who uses the phrase "bugger off". Now that's cool.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

And since he's been brought up already, I also think Matt LaClear is an awesome SEO guy. Even though I don't like or use the variety of SEO he does, the man knows his stuff, and it works.

I love your posts man. I regard most of them as pure genius. This one is certainly no exception.

Rock on bro.

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Trapped

13 years ago

The beauty of profile and comment backlinks..isn't it that what you ordered? And no you were not scammed, you just ordered something..and you were not aware of what that was and how would that affect your site.

However, now you just have to ... get 2x more links then the crap ones you just bought, probably spend more money...and you will be good.

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Caleb Spilchen

13 years ago

Also I don't think you can be sandboxed for off page stuff. Otherwise, wouldn't the guy get links for all his competitors to get them out of the rankings as well?

I believe its only on page stuff now... Maybe someone can correct me.
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Clojo

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen

Also I don't think you can be sandboxed for off page stuff. Otherwise, wouldn't the guy get links for all his competitors to get them out of the rankings as well?

I believe its only on page stuff now... Maybe someone can correct me.
Caleb

I am not sure about this too? My on page stuff for that site wasn't spammy at all. A genuine blog, optimised for a certain keyword.

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theplugindude

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen

Also I don't think you can be sandboxed for off page stuff. Otherwise, wouldn't the guy get links for all his competitors to get them out of the rankings as well?

I believe its only on page stuff now... Maybe someone can correct me.
Caleb

Well Caleb...IMHO - Onpage factors wont affect the site..

It is the link velocity which affects sites..

Suppose You blast 100000 profile backlinks in one day, ping them and FORGET about it completely..then your site WILL fall in the sandbox..

You need to build backlinks continously..

Even if you blast 1000 per day, make sure you maintain atleast 500 backlinks per day...

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Trapped

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen

Also I don't think you can be sandboxed for off page stuff. Otherwise, wouldn't the guy get links for all his competitors to get them out of the rankings as well?

I believe its only on page stuff now... Maybe someone can correct me.
Caleb

Emm, a new site, no exposure, no popularity...that suddenly gets links from "easily" filtered profile links or even worst from blogs that have thousands of comments (and a nice amount of them are on off topic pages, with loads of external links to p0rn, drugs, medicine etc..), all same type of link profile for your site.. ... well to me it does sound like you can actually be sandboxed (ok...not that it sounds, I actually tested it and based on my result on 2 new sites i tested .. both sites were sandboxed).

The same does not apply for example to an established site, that has a good backlink profile from quality and relevant resources and has gained a certain authority.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen

Also I don't think you can be sandboxed for off page stuff. Otherwise, wouldn't the guy get links for all his competitors to get them out of the rankings as well?

I believe its only on page stuff now... Maybe someone can correct me.
Caleb

You are right Caleb. For starters there isn't even a sandbox. Worst can happen is you get your questionable links deindexed because G found them too quickly.

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colie3188

13 years ago

Hey,

Really SORRY that there are Warrior's out there constantly giving Internet Marketing such a BAD name for their short term gains.

There should be a name and shame section on WF so we can all shy away from them and they can no longer get any business here or anywhere else for that matter.

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razorhound

13 years ago

Just be careful next time, there are some service providers who guaranteed link replacement within certain period, you just gotta find the right one. Just curious how much did you pay for that package?

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jackheape

13 years ago

What kind of site was it? I have found that many times it is the site itself that causes you to get "sandboxed". My way of doing things is that I build a site, put some really good content on it and then build links slowly for a month or so. The you can juice it with lots of keyword specific backlinks. That is a more natural progression.

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theplugindude

13 years ago

Dont worry..your site will comeback!

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Michael Meaney

13 years ago

That's the risk you run when doing black hat SEO.

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Tina Golden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SEOpsychic

software like M**ketS*murai, *genSE*, etc always rip people of their money. some tools are good for research and just a couple of things but are not worth all the hype. also there are some services around everywhere that are real BlueFart. you'll realise a 2hr rusult only to find out later that your site is deindexed and your efforts wasted. whitehat seo is always the method to go, do everything manually that way you know you're doing and can monitor what you do in a qualitative way and not quantitative (spamming) techniques.

The "psychic" part of your handle must not be accurate or you'd know that shameless self-promotional links within a post are not a good idea.

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Gail_Curran 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tina Golden

The "psychic" part of your handle must not be accurate or you'd know that shameless self-promotional links within a post are not a good idea.

Nice catch, Tina. Reported.
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alcymart

13 years ago

I stay away from Backlinks packages. I wear a White Hat. Sorry to hear about your issues. The seller should of known better than building too quickly!

You know what? I am listed in top 10 of all SERP's for my main keyword. The Big G is now picking up a lot more going on...and I call all to prudence.

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mattlaclear 13 years ago

Originally Posted by alcymart

I stay away from Backlinks packages. Sorry to hear about your issues. The seller should of known better than building too fast!

Bernard

What makes you think the vendor sent them out too fast? Were they pinged?
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Lady Carole

13 years ago

I'm so sorry that you had a bad experience on the Warrior Forum. I've learned that when you keep adding tons of good content, back links will come to you as people like your site. Please don't give up on the Warrior Forum as there are many, many talented and compassionate folks here, who are willing to encourage and support you as you learn.

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