I need an IM coach. But how can I afford one?

[Jose Anajero]

There is so much to learn in internet marketing and beginners are well advised to hire a coach.

But how can beginners, who need coach the most, afford one when they're still not yet earning?

Thanks for sharing.


Jose

[TheMagicShow]

Originally Posted by Jose Anajero

There is so much to learn in internet marketing and beginners are well advised to hire a coach.

But how can beginners, who need coach the most, afford one when they're still not yet earning?

Thanks for sharing.


Jose

You will want a coach that has been there and done that and has had tons of success, you could possibly look at the WSO section and see if a respected /successful warrior is offering coaching, just do remember that your coach will not make you a success, only you can make yourself a success by being dedicated and following the plan and lessons he/she provides for you.

Cheers,
Magic

[Charles Harper]

Get someone who can help you monetize while you learn so that you use the proceeds to pay the fee.

C

[OnlineMasterMind]

Find an affiliate product to promote and then market it on a popular marketing forum with your signature link.

Maybe you can even work out a deal with the owner of the product you're promoting.

Originally Posted by Jose Anajero

But how can beginners, who need coach the most, afford one when they're still not yet earning?

It's smart of you to realize the value in coaching. You should beg, borrow, scrape, and do whatever you can to afford a good consultant/coach.

If you can't afford a coach, you'll just have to work around the fact. If you want success badly enough you'll pull it off regardless of whether or not you can get a mentor right away.

Read as many books/ebooks as you can. And listen to as many audio courses as possible.

And don't just look for products in the IM arena. Go to a regular bookstore and pick up business and marketing titles by entrepreneurs from the traditional sector as well.

There are lots of places you can find knowledge. Just be diligent in your search, and don't hesitate to ask people questions.

Hell send your favorite guru an email full of questions if you want. The worst they can do is ignore you and quite frankly you might get an answer or two out of the deal.

[kellyryan028]

There is the free 30 day challenges out there too. Also, see if you can offer to be an intern so you can help them out with their busy schedule while learning too. Look for a way to create a win-win. Also, look into becoming an affiliate or creating content(articles) through the sites that offer compensation.

[Scott Million]

The best way to get free coaching (and get paid for it) is to do joint ventures - specifically, interviewing experts. You get to talk to them before and after the interview, you both make money, you build a big buyer list by leveraging their's, and you'll often be able to network with their contacts as well.

That's what I do

Scott

[valerieSONORA]

You can learn a lot for free by reading the forum.

Some coaching is very, very expensive.

You may be able to barter for some mentoring.

You may need to get a regular job for a while and then find someone who will mentor you for a low cost. Not so much for the money, but to help someone out.

[Christie Love]

Hi Jose,

You might want to try searching on the Warrior Special Offer forum. There are actually quite a few reasonably priced mentors willing to give newbies a helping hand. Just do a search for "mentor" and you'll be surprised at what you see.

I would advise that you get a feel for which area of IM you want to work with before hiring a mentor. But, the right mentor will ensure that you are on the right track.

[Kevin Riley]

I need an IM coach. But how can I afford one?

How can you afford not to have one?

A good coach can have you up and making money quickly, so I'd be scraping together cash in any way possible. Have a part time job just to pay for the coaching. It's an investment that is well worth working hard for.

[JJOrana]

Kabayan!

You need a coach:

1. If you don't know what to do.
2. You know what to do but not doing it.

So it's really knowledge and action. You can knowledge here in the forum and take action on it.

[lakshaybehl]

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

How can you afford not to have one?

A good coach can have you up and making money quickly, so I'd be scraping together cash in any way possible. Have a part time job just to pay for the coaching. It's an investment that is well worth working hard for.

Exactly... Having a coach is paramount. As simple as that. Just make sure you have someone who knows what they are teaching. And did I say its paramount? Again, it's paramount.

[Kneb Knebaih]

1. Rich Schefren is THE coah, in case you wanted a name


2. Then go and do the necessary to get the money needed to any of his programs.


3. Of course, in the meantime, you can apply to some (more affordable) niche blogging coahing from fellow Warriors (there are 3 really good options here).


4. Get back to point #1.

[ados67]

E-mail many people who seems successful, asking to assist them for no real charge (at least, not for a serious amount of profit) - and start learning from them in the process. Be sure to mention you're doing that to acquire experience and learn from them, of course

Adi Friedman
Two Believers.

[lordkadda]

hi,

if you think it is expensive to find a coach, there is alternative for you. maybe you can download free ebook about IM. you will get a lot of information there.

[Bryan Zimmerman]

If you feel that finding a coach is that much of a necessity then you will find a way to get the money to pay for it.

Write some articles for people
offer to do blog commenting
build squidoo and hub pages for people
rewrite articles for people
Write articles and sell them for PLR

All of those things people right here on this forum will pay money to have done for them.

If you want something bad enough, you will find a way to make it happen.

[Jason Pereira]

You don't need a coach at all when starting out. In fact as a pure beginner, getting a coach is a bad idea since you won't know about many simple things that will waste time (and money) explaining.

Read forums, this is a good one, as well as blogs - there is enough free information out there to get you to $1,000+ per month easily if not much more than that. Once you attain that figure, and can sustain it, then I'd advise going in for a specific coaching program if you still feel you need it, one that can help you take your efforts to the next level.

[Charles Harper]

Debbie Songster (Warrior) gives sound advice, and I doubt if she will charge you a guru price for coaching.

Charles

[daddyg]

Intern programs where you exchange your labour in return for learning business and marketing systems is one possibility as they are free. James Brausch has one and Lee McIntyre did (not sure if it's still running).

Bear in mind you are building their business rather than yours though. Still if you are starting out, they are probably a very good way of learning how to generate traffic, write copy etc from an expert.

Hope that helps,

Cheers...Graham

[attitudes]

The best answer is ring 10 internet coaches and ask that very question

1) you will get some great tips from them ( for free)

2) you will get 10 coaching sessions for free

3) you will have 10 great contacts on your data base, worth having

4) They might just come up with a solution after all they are coaches

5) Ask them straight out, would they give you a free coaching session

6) learn to ask for what you want in life and just handle the No's until you get a yes

7) Wisdom from scripture says, "ask and you will receive"
"seek and you will find" knock and the door will be opened

8) guess what I might even be a coach--hmmm

(and you look like a smart young man, figure it out)

What have you got to offer" think of some joint venture --if you cannot think of any, ask the 10 coaches

hope this helps --give me a call or email me and tell me how you went

[Patrice Le Vexier]

Originally Posted by Jose Anajero

There is so much to learn in internet marketing and beginners are well advised to hire a coach.

But how can beginners, who need coach the most, afford one when they're still not yet earning?

Thanks for sharing.


Jose

Why don't you wait 30 days and use those $7,230.95!

[brseminars]

I am a big fan of coaching and have been involved in coaching programs either as a student or as a coach pretty much my whole working life. Sure, you can do everything on your own, but a good coach is a huge asset in your business. Aside from the obvious benefit of keeping you on track,acting as a sounding board and implementing a plan, having a coach has some other benefits that some people might not think of when deciding whether or not hiring a coach is a good idea such as:

1. Built in R & D - A good coach can be your entire research team. They will know the trends, sites, people and methods that are already working in whatever niche or industry you are working.

2. JV Broker - Most, not all coaches will help partner you with other players in your industry to do JV deals just because you are in their coaching program and of course have something they see potential in. Some coaches will even JV with you themselves. I have a former coach that I hired to help me years ago to help me with some website development stuff, he is now my full time technical support manager.

3. Free resources - Kind of goes back to R & D but almost every good coach will have an extensive list of resources you can tap into, saving you time and money.

4. Networking with other coaching students. Even if you are in a one-on-one coaching program I would still ask for a list of former or current students. With this list you can not only get references before hiring the coach, these are great people to develop relationships with because you obviously were on the same page in your thinking.

There are may other benefits but these are a few that I have found to be great benefits of several coaches I have worked with as well as benefits I provide my coaching students (Real Estate Agents).

Last, you have to choose someone you are comfortable with and has your best interests first, even ahead of theirs. If they are running a coaching program because the thought of having 2,000 people paying them $700 a month or whatever is their only reason for doing it, they will be a piss poor coach. Their coaching "program" may be good but you are not hiring a coaching program you are hiring a coach. Don't get caught up in the hype around you, find someone or some company you can believe in and feel comfortable with.

Many of the best coaches that I know are not well known in their industry but they are damn good coaches because they actually like doing it. Although a much smaller number, there are also some incredible coaches that are well known in your industry/niche that truly enjoy running a coaching program. Just because somebody can do some unbelievable numbers in whatever industry they are in, doesn't make them a good teacher or coach and delivery of a coaching program is very important.

Last, how do you determine if a coach or coaching program is right for you? You use your natural given instincts and always, always, always follow this rule:

Do Not ever hire a coach/coaching company until and unless you are able to speak, on the phone, directly with the owner or person responsible for developing the coaching program"

If you are unable to get the top person on the phone or they say that it doesn't work that way, well, you have your answer.

Once on the phone with the coach, ask questions about the items above and use your natural instincts to make a decision, you will know if this is the right person/company.

Hope this helps a bit.

[Jose Anajero]

Thanks so much Magic, Charles, OnlineMasterMind, Tim, kellyryan028, Scott, valerieSONORA, Christie Love, Kevin, kabayan JJorana, lakshaybehi, KnebKnebaih, ados67, lordhadda, Bryan, Jason, daddyg, attitudes, techymasters and brseminars for taking the time to share your experiences and insights.

As I synthesize everything you said, am getting some ideas how to proceed further.

Thanks too for the insulting comments from one or two. You "stand out" because the rest gave valuable advice.

Am a beginner but I think there were some advice which may further stuck beginners in learning mode. I think that when somebody has already realized the need for THE right coach, that means he is past that stage when he devours "free ebooks". He very well know that many of these "free" ebooks are very expensive! That's a word of caution to my fellow beginners.

Thanks especially to berseminars who said:

Originally Posted by brseminars

Last, you have to choose someone you are comfortable with and has your best interests first, even ahead of theirs. If they are running a coaching program because the thought of having 2,000 people paying them $700 a month or whatever is their only reason for doing it, they will be a piss poor coach. Their coaching "program" may be good but you are not hiring a coaching program you are hiring a coach. Don't get caught up in the hype around you, find someone or some company you can believe in and feel comfortable with.

Many of the best coaches that I know are not well known in their industry but they are damn good coaches because they actually like doing it. Although a much smaller number, there are also some incredible coaches that are well known in your industry/niche that truly enjoy running a coaching program. Just because somebody can do some unbelievable numbers in whatever industry they are in, doesn't make them a good teacher or coach and delivery of a coaching program is very important.

There are many valuable things he said from his post and beginners are, I think, well advised to consider them.

Again, thanks so much for sharing your time and wisdom

Jose

[napoleonfirst]

Of course you can afford a coach. You can use the coaching program of Jeremy Kelsall in the WSO section of this forum at $24/month. Also you can get coaching from Amy Bass at Thenicheblogger.com at $39/month.

[P_Cerrito]

Originally Posted by Jose Anajero

There is so much to learn in internet marketing and beginners are well advised to hire a coach.

But how can beginners, who need coach the most, afford one when they're still not yet earning?

Thanks for sharing.


Jose

How can you not afford one? This was a classic catch 22 for me too.

I don't know how I can contribute any more than what was already mentioned above so I'll just add something from my days.

>> Please anyone new to IM be careful downloading every ebook on the internet you can find.

It can distract someone in too many different directions and a new person sometimes doesn't know the difference between what is important(and should be emphasized and bolded and elaborated on) and what is not.

Many amateur written ebooks I have read in the past breezed over the most important parts and blabbed on and on about things that are not the focus.

I don't have all the answers but I have used some of the methods mentioned in above posts to trim years off the learning curve.

Some info products I have bought in the past were worth their weight in gold and some were useless.

The forums are full of people who recommend products and coaches that worked for them with successful results.

PS_ I'm sorry if I may appear like a know it all sometimes because I'm really not. There are only a few things I know very well. Cheers

[dean_holland]

Hey

I have a coach... Alex Jeffreys

He has a coach... Mike Filsaime

He has a coach .... Rich Shefren

He has a coach... Jay Abraham

Who no doubt has a coach !!.. Get one bro !!

The results Im having a few short weeks proves that !!

JDI.. Just Do It

It will be the best decision you make bro

Dean

[luckystar]

Hello,
MY question as regard coaching is what make an effective coach? Because making money is not all it takes to measure success online. making money could be by chance so who really is a couch.

From all your response it seems you all are couches. so who is the couch?

[Todd Lamb]

Originally Posted by luckystar

Hello,
MY question as regard coaching is what make an effective coach? Because making money is not all it takes to measure success online. making money could be by chance so who really is a couch.

From all your response it seems you all are couches. so who is the couch?

I think you would want to look for things like diversity, availability and when you speak with one perhaps you would get the feel for their ability to convey a particular message in a manner that is appealing to you.

Todd

[TheMagicShow]

Originally Posted by Kneb Knebaih

1. Rich Schefren is THE coah, in case you wanted a name


2. Then go and do the necessary to get the money needed to any of his programs.


3. Of course, in the meantime, you can apply to some (more affordable) niche blogging coahing from fellow Warriors (there are 3 really good options here).


4. Get back to point #1.

Rich gets my vote as well, the man has been the mentor to many of the top marketers and his information can really transform your business .

[sylviad]

I agree with Jason. Before getting a coach, at least get the basics down. Take a look at all the things you will need to be able to work online:

1. what programs do you need? (ie: web design, product editing software) depending on the type of business you want to start.
2. what are auto responders and how do they work - Which are best?
3. where can you find products to sell?
4. how does affiliate marketing work?
5. how do you set up a basic web site?
6. how do you promote a web site - study each of the methods you find? (article marketing, social media, joint ventures, link exchanges, etc.)
7. how can you use blogs for your site (these are becoming increasingly popular)? Which blog service is best? The top ones are Blogger and Wordpress... and then Squidoo, Hubpages, etc.
8. how does everything work - from setting up your business to getting paid.
9. How does Adsense work? Don't worry about AdWords until you know what you're doing, as it can get extremely expensive.
10. what goes into producing and selling your own product or service?
11. Which niche would you be most happy working? Make it something you really like, otherwise you'll end up hating your job.

So basically, you want to decide exactly what you want to do online - sell your own or affiliate products or services, and in what niche.

You can get a lot of answers here on the Forum by searching for your topic. There's a ton of free info on the Internet - just search Google for keywords based on what you want to know.

Make note of all the great resources you find, because you'll want to go back to them numerous times.

Read all the FAQ sections on the sites that provide you with services, like auto responders and social media sites - Squidoo, for example, gives you ideas on what to do next after you build your "Lens" (web site).

There's so much you can learn for free before you hire a coach.

I've used a business coach and, to be honest, I feel I threw away $3,000 - or most of it, because there was just way too much to learn before I could ask the right questions. Had I known exactly what to ask, I could have gained far more benefit from his coaching. By the way, that coaching was for 6 weeks, 45-minute sessions twice a week.

Get your feet wet first and then find a coach if you still think you need one.

Sylvia

[Dan.Thies]

Rich has my vote too, the experience was worth every penny. Not sure if BGS would be the best choice for a newbie, but if you've got an internet marketing business and you want to grow it, heck yeah.

Just a suggestion - if you're willing to trade time for money, there are a lot of successful marketers who could use apprentices and interns, and that can be the best deal in the business right there. You need to bring something to the table yourself, of course.

[sylviad]

I agree with Dan. What are you good at? Article writing? Programming? Script writing?

Hire yourself out or swap your services with a coach (but again, get your basic training down first before looking to spend money on a coach). You can sell your services on sites like Elance, Rent-a-Coder, Scriptlance and others. Or offer your services right here on the WSO section. Take a look at those sites and see what people are offering and how much they're charging.

Many marketers don't have time for some basic marketing tasks, like submitting their sites to directories, posting to other people's blogs, getting backlinks through social media and other sites, etc. These are tasks anyone can do. They do not require any skill other than how to submit to those sites. And you can learn that in 5 minutes.

Knowledgeable marketers would be glad to swap with someone who can do that for them.

Just ask. They can only say no -=- or Yes!

Sylvia

[ShayRockhold]

Having a mentor is a fantastic idea. One can learn faster and make money sooner.

But I agree with what has been said here - you need to learn the basics before you find a mentor.

You also need to find out what area you want to focus on before you seek out a mentor.

Read this forum. Ask questions. Then find a mentor.

[tomw]

Originally Posted by ShayRockhold

Having a mentor is a fantastic idea. One can learn faster and make money sooner.

But I agree with what has been said here - you need to learn the basics before you find a mentor.

You also need to find out what area you want to focus on before you seek out a mentor.

Read this forum. Ask questions. Then find a mentor.

Spoken like a true mentor!



Thomas

[imamrktr]

Jose,

You have a good question. As an Internet marketing coach I offer this to you:

You can help yourself before even looking for a coach by doing your research.

1. Establish your personal goals and define what is driving your desire to learn. In other words identify what motivates you and how important it is to you.

2. Identify your niche. Easier said than done sometimes but here are some tips on identifying your niche. Explore your personal interest, experience and talents. What knowledge do you have that others would want?

3. Explore niche profitability potential. Exploring niche profitability is in fact researching sites that are in that desired niche.

a. Visit such sites as Google adwords to find value of keywords.
b. Visit Google Suggest lab to find out what keywords that fit your niche are being searched for and visit sites with those keywords.
c. Visit SEObook dot com and take use of the free keyword search tool they offer.

If you are finding through your keyword searches that there is a demand then you can be relatively sure of profit potential.

4. Sharpen your research skills even further by understanding your competitors - what are they offering?
Product price point?
What are their benefits?
What are their shortcomings?

5. When you settle on the niche you wish to go into - get a squeeze page up quickly. Add Google Analytic to your squeeze page and drive some traffic to it to start building a list.

That should get you started.

Sometimes I find people do not have the confidence to do any of those steps. If that is the case then get yourself in a mastermind group and find a mentor but only if you are 100% in the game of learning and then taking action.

Otherwise hiring a mentor (money or no money) it is a waste.

[imamrktr]

Now on the thoughts of how to hire a coach/mentor with no money. One of your earlier posts indicated offer to help an established marketer.

Time is sometime none of have enough of. Here is a list of goodies that most marketers would love to have help with and more often than not willing to coach you in exchange for extra hands at their business:

1. Support
2. Creating videos
3. Blogging
4. Article writing
5. Forum posting
6. programming

If you have one of those skills and can offer them I am sure you can find a coach willing to take you on.

[Jose Anajero]

Thanks so much napoleonfirst, P. Cerrito, Ngmedia 805, dean_holland, Dean, luckystar, Todd, MagicMel, Sylvia, Dan, ShayRockhold, tomw, Mari_Quint and virtualp for all your kind help. Am so grateful for all of your contributions. I wish other beginners get to read this thread.

Am looking from a perspective of a beginner as am a beginner myself and I love reaching out to fellow beginners, so I asked myself- There is so much that's given here (and they are all valuable) but how can a beginner digest everything that is said.

I looked for a particular post and I think ShayRockhold did a marvelous job of digesting everything for the beginner when she said:

Originally Posted by ShayRockhold

Having a mentor is a fantastic idea. One can learn faster and make money sooner.

But I agree with what has been said here - you need to learn the basics before you find a mentor.

You also need to find out what area you want to focus on before you seek out a mentor.

Read this forum. Ask questions. Then find a mentor.

This has been another interesting and helpful discussion I participated in here in Warrior Forum so far. Am all the more encouraged to participate further, to learn and pay it forward...

Thanks so much.

Jose

[sylviad]

Originally Posted by Jose Anajero

...Am looking from a perspective of a beginner as am a beginner myself and I love reaching out to fellow beginners, so I asked myself- There is so much that's given here (and they are all valuable) but how can a beginner digest everything that is said...
Jose

Jose,

That is one huge stumbling block for many if not all beginners... too much information. You can't possibly absorb everything at once. It helps to have a starting point and a path to follow.

Take it slowly - don't allow yourself to become overwhelmed.

As has been mentioned, your first step is to study the markets to decide exactly what you want to do, what market you want to be in, and what skills you possess that enable you to do well in your chosen niche. Will you sell affiliate products or your own product or a combination of the two?

Once you know that, take the rest one step at a time and learn it as you go. What do you need to get going?

1) some way to present your offer: (sell affiliate products by putting a product review on your own site or just promote your affiliate link). This will determine whether you need a web site or not. A blog is one of the easiest. Start with a free one and expand as your business grows.

2) a way to build a list of names so you can make offers to them later on

3) creating content for your blog/site/auto responder

4) different ways to market your offer

5) finding more products to promote to your list

6) find more ways to promote

That's about it in a nutshell, pretty much in that order. Create a good plan of action. Learn each step as you need to learn it rather than trying to learn it all at once.

Before long, you will know tons of stuff about internet marketing.

Sylvia

[Jose Anajero]

Thanks Sylvia!

They are right! Warrior Forum is kinda addicting (in a good way ). It's Sunday morning here in the Philippines and I didn't know you are there in front of your PC. In few minutes, I will be going to worship service. How I wish I could still spend more time with you in this conversation. But then as Sylvia said take things slowly

Bye for now...

Jose

[Peter "Paul" Williams]

I was in the same situation. After some research, I settled on Amy Bass' Niche Blogger and signed up yesterday.

There are a lot of Warriors in her program that only have good things to say about it. She takes you by the hand and tells you exactly what to do step by step. Check it out, you'll do yourself a huge favor.

I asked for some reviews of her program on this forum. You can read the thread here Has anyone used Amy Bass' Nitche Blogger

Comming from someone in your shoes, I STRONGLY SUGGEST you grab it.

Oh yeah, before I forget, Amy is a great person too. She's not like others that forgot what it's like to be new.

I have had coaches in my past career as a real estate sales person, they have taken me to the next level. Even if you can't afford it right now, arrange your finances to accomidate it.

Amy doesn't charge an arm and a leg. She's very affordable.

[Jose Anajero]

I would like to put a postscript to this discussion that we just had.

A kind soul got to read this discussion and he PMed me offering his coaching!

What a precious Christmas present for me!

Indeed, when the student is ready, the teacher appears

Once again, thanks so much to all of you my fellow Warriors.

Jose

[hanleo46]

Originally Posted by Jose Anajero

There is so much to learn in internet marketing and beginners are well advised to hire a coach.

But how can beginners, who need coach the most, afford one when they're still not yet earning?

Thanks for sharing.


Jose

Hello Jose

I sent you a private message

Hope it helps

[Jose Anajero]

Less than 2 months ago, I started this thread and it's from this thread that I met the IM coach who is now helping me breakthrough. He is a low-profile internet entrepreneur but he has a genuine heart for helping aspiring entrepreneurs like me.

If you are interested in the same kind of coaching experience I receive from my new-found coach, please don't hesitate to PM me.

Thanks.


Jose

[rafaelapolinario]

There's a lot you could lean about IM by joining forums like warriors, taking about IM and SEO. You can also ask questions regarding any topic relating IM that you happen to encounter. Good luck!

[Kim Standerline]

Isn't he the person who lets his "minions" do the actual coaching?

If I was paying for coaching, I'd want the person who took my money to be the person who was actually doing it.

Originally Posted by Kneb Knebaih

1. Rich Schefren is THE coah, in case you wanted a name

2. Then go and do the necessary to get the money needed to any of his programs.

3. Of course, in the meantime, you can apply to some (more affordable) niche blogging coahing from fellow Warriors (there are 3 really good options here).

4. Get back to point #1.

BTW there is a lot of scammy type coaching out there, people who don't have a clue are happy and willing to take your money and either not give anything in return, or (to put it bluntly) give you crap all.

I'd be careful if you pick anything up from the WSO section, do your due diligence before you part with any money.

Finally you also have to do your part, you would be amazed at the amount of people who pay for this type of thing, do absolutely nothing with it, then complain because it doesn't work.

Cheers
Kim

[Kim Standerline]

And this is the type of crappy advice you need to stay away from

Kim

Originally Posted by lordkadda

hi,

if you think it is expensive to find a coach, there is alternative for you. maybe you can download free ebook about IM. you will get a lot of information there.

[Robert Herrie]

What is a 30 day challenge

[lburrell]

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

How can you afford not to have one?

A good coach can have you up and making money quickly, so I'd be scraping together cash in any way possible. Have a part time job just to pay for the coaching. It's an investment that is well worth working hard for.

Agreed. I recently joined Justin's coaching program for $197. Some people scoff at the idea of spending money for coaches. Those are the people who are still struggling while those who sucked it up to pay for the knowledge (and kick in the pants) and earned 5x their money back.

Some can't see the forest through the trees...

[Sonni]

If you google 30 Day Challenge you will get all the info you need. It is a newbie program that is FREE and it's very good. You will be in the good hands of Ed Dale an accomplished IMer and nice guy.
Sonni

[ptmueller]

Wow, I never thought of an IM coach. I guess I should have some years ago when I started all of this. It probably would have saved me some grief, well a lot of grief.

I think I should have gotten here a long time ago and my learning curve would have had a different shape to it.

Paul