Just been scammed and need some help please

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Hi Warriors

For a few months i have been looking at different sites trying to find a good website with good earnings that i could build upon. After much searching i found a site which sold autoblogs. Whilsti do not have huge knowledge on how to create these autoblogs, everything was suppose to be automated.

It seemed a simple enough website to run and i had some great ideas. Unfortunately the seller has transferred everything to me but when you someone goes to buy and they pay, no files are sent to them. I do not have the expertise in this area, i believe all files may exist on my control panel but do not know how to automate it or send them to the customer.

Anyone who could help or point me in the right direction it would be great, with out it i am stuck with a site that i can not promote and out of pocket a lot of money. I have tried to contact the seller for three weeks to no avail.
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  • Profile picture of the author ciel
    I hope you are talking about setting up a site or membership site & selling PLR materials. If you are not able to contact the seller & unable to understand what you are doing, a few more details from you will help us to help you out.
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  • Profile picture of the author VegasGreg
    Just because you don't know how to do something or set something up in YOUR business does NOT constitute being scammed.

    Maybe you should change your post title or repost in the 'I need help' section.
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  • Profile picture of the author gotti3636
    I don't mean to be taking sides here but you have not really been scammed as suggested in the thread title. If you have been provided with everything that was said in the sales letter then the seller has done everything he needs to...It is not the seller's fault if you don't know how to work the websites that he has sold you.

    If no after-sale support program was specified with the sale then the seller does not need to spend any time helping you if he does not want to.

    I think this is just more a case of you not knowing how to operate something that you bought. I would help you if I could but I usually outsource all of my website related business. I suggest going to the Warriors For Hire section and finding someone who can help you out

    In any case, we will need more details if you want us to help!
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    • Profile picture of the author donkey097
      i will check out the warriors for hire section thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        If it is a scam, why would you think the files you need to send to your customers even exist?
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  • Profile picture of the author donkey097
    i have been scammed, the seller is not returning any phone calls or emails for three weeks and has not delivered on the training as promised - plus i have now seen he is selling exactly the same site with a different URL with the same claimed financials as the ad i bought from, that sounds like scam to me. The email list given of the buyers, they never bought.

    I just need help finding the files that i am meant to send to the customer
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by donkey097 View Post

      i have been scammed, the seller is not returning any phone calls or emails for three weeks and has not delivered on the training as promised - plus i have now seen he is selling exactly the same site with a different URL with the same claimed financials as the ad i bought from, that sounds like scam to me. The email list given of the buyers, they never bought.

      I just need help finding the files that i am meant to send to the customer
      Sounds like you got ripped from a seller on Flippa who sells the same sites over and over again. You really need to do better due diligence before buying sites. A look at his profile, if it was one of those d-bags on Flippa would have shown you that he sells the same sites over and over again.

      If it is Flippa, go to your sale communication area and file a dispute. If it's not Flippa, don't know what to tell you, except to figure out how to accept payment and deliver the products (DLGuard is great for this, or ejunkie) and get it set up and hope you can make some sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author brendan9971
    I think maybe we need a bit of clear, concise information from you about what exactly happened. It seems like your story is already changing from one post to the next. If the seller did not send you something that was part of the package, that is one thing. But if you simply aren't sure how to set up (or even locate) your programs, that sounds like it is more an issue on your end rather than that of the seller.
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    • Profile picture of the author No1here
      OP, could you please go step by step and let us know what the seller was offering and what he delivered.

      For example:

      1. All files neccesary to install website on your server.
      2. Instruction manual on installing the files to your server.
      3. The seller promised one on one support with setup./The seller did not promise one on one support with the setup process.
      4. Seller stated that "Widget 101" would be included but he did not deliver upon the completion of our fiduciary agreement.

      You see, from the information you've provided so far it sounds more like you bought something that you don't know how to install/setup on your web host and that isn't the Sellers fault.

      So if you could, please clarify how the seller scammed you?
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  • Profile picture of the author donkey097
    i was promised the site with all files, one hour training session on how to send the files to the customer if it did not work properly and lessons on how to install the customers websites for them on hostgator. The reason i think i may have the files is because the site has demo sites and they are all working well so clearly there are files somewhere. i have the site working, its just when a customer buys a blog i need to send them files for it and show them how to upload it, this is what im missing and just need someone point out where i can find this information

    Im not arguing with the fact that i have no experience with it, thats why i wanted the training, but the fact that he is selling the same site with the same claimed financials makes me think it is a scam.

    Im hoping to find a warrior for hire who can look for me, im not after sympathy or anything, im just asking for people to point me in the right direction on how i can resolve this
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    • Profile picture of the author Christian Little
      Originally Posted by donkey097 View Post

      i was promised the site with all files, one hour training session on how to send the files to the customer if it did not work properly and lessons on how to install the customers websites for them on hostgator. The reason i think i may have the files is because the site has demo sites and they are all working well so clearly there are files somewhere. i have the site working, its just when a customer buys a blog i need to send them files for it and show them how to upload it, this is what im missing and just need someone point out where i can find this information
      For the part in bold - did that happen? Did he show you how to setup the product for you customers?

      If not, that should have been a big red flag right after you bought the site.

      Did you pay by paypal? If so, file a dispute. You can file a dispute up the 30 days from sending the money.
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  • Profile picture of the author donkey097
    also, i am saying he scammed me because the emails he gave me for current customers who bought do not exist and he is selling the same site just a slightly different URL as the site he sold me - claiming the same financial - $2500 a month profit as the site he sold me, its exactly the same ad, that sounds like a scam to me
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  • Profile picture of the author Always-A-Warrior
    why do you have two threads opened?. http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...some-help.html

    If you're just starting out then of course you're going to think everything that doesn't work your way is a scam. I've seen tons of these he scammed me and blah blah blah ... if you didn't get what you paid for then simply open a dispute with the payment company. If you used western union then forget it. lol

    Stop thinking scam and think positive on how to solve this issue. Screaming scam all over the forum will not get you anywhere so go back to when you started to deal with the seller and work yourself slowly to you know ... when you got you know. what's that word?.
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  • Profile picture of the author donkey097
    whats wrong with people, i cant open a dipsute and i used escrow and it was the first time and wasnt aware to ask for a longer inspection period. i have contacted them to no avail.
    Always-a-warrior - all im asking is for someone to point me in the right direction of someone who can help. When the seller promises training and i made it a big part of the sale then it is a scam, its been 3 weeks with no answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author donkey097
    im not bad mouthing anyone, i have mentioned no names, im just after some help to see if i can get the site going. i cant see how people cant think its a scam when the financial he claimed are wrong and he is selling the same site again with those exact financials
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  • Profile picture of the author donkey097
    i have only since found out today that it was, 4 weeks ago it looked legit, clearly i wouldnt have bought it if it was,

    Gees - all i wanted was for someone to point me in the right direction or recommend someone who i could hire to show me whats wrong
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  • Profile picture of the author donkey097
    thanks sbucciarel, it was websitebroker that i bought it through and the site uses ejunkie, i am going to go the the warriors for hire section to see if someone can help, just wanted to know if anyone recommended anyone in particular
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  • Profile picture of the author currenz
    I think you should locate all files (look for folder such as download, sites, etc) and make sure that they are working properly (you may want to installed them on a test site one by one. I use e-junkie.com for digital product delivery. You can check it out and see if it helps.

    I think you should hire a freelancer to help you with this.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Originally Posted by donkey097 View Post

    Hi Warriors

    For a few months i have been looking at different sites trying to find a good website with good earnings that i could build upon. After much searching i found a site which sold autoblogs. Whilsti do not have huge knowledge on how to create these autoblogs, everything was suppose to be automated.

    It seemed a simple enough website to run and i had some great ideas. Unfortunately the seller has transferred everything to me but when you someone goes to buy and they pay, no files are sent to them. I do not have the expertise in this area, i believe all files may exist on my control panel but do not know how to automate it or send them to the customer.

    Anyone who could help or point me in the right direction it would be great, with out it i am stuck with a site that i can not promote and out of pocket a lot of money. I have tried to contact the seller for three weeks to no avail.
    Ok fair enough,

    but do you really think autoblogs are a viable long term business.

    I mean sit down with yourself and ask if it is.

    NOt sure if these things will be round in a year or so.
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  • Profile picture of the author theimdude
    bottom line donkey097, I send you a pm with my email and I will see if I can help you with your problem as I think this is the answer you want to hear.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    It sounds like you're the one pulling the scam if you're the one collecting the cash and not delivering a product. If so you should take down your payment buttons asap until you get things sorted out.
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    • Profile picture of the author theimdude
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      It sounds like you're the one pulling the scam if you're the one collecting the cash and not delivering a product. If so you should take down your payment buttons asap until you get things sorted out.
      how can you accuse him of pulling a scam if he is asking for help to rectify the problem
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      • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
        Originally Posted by theimdude View Post

        how can you accuse him of pulling a scam if he is asking for help to rectify the problem
        Quite easily actually. If you collect cash from customers and do not deliver the product then yes that would go down as being a scam in my book. Do you think the customers are going to blame him or the vendor he bought the site from when they realize the product they just paid him for is not going to be delivered?
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        • Profile picture of the author theimdude
          Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

          Quite easily actually. If you collect cash from customers and do not deliver the product then yes that would go down as being a scam in my book. Do you think the customers are going to blame him or the vendor he bought the site from when they realize the product they just paid him for is not going to be delivered?
          I think you are being to hard on the guy as if he was a "scammer" why would he ask for help. The situation is out of his control as he mentioned he is not technically capable to rectify the problem.

          As warriors we should help those in need not accuse them of being a scammer as that is not very nice.

          So in you book when you arrive at a site, do a purchase and dlgaurd or paypal failed to deliver the product the seller becomes a scammer.

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          • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
            Originally Posted by theimdude View Post

            I think you are being to hard on the guy as if he was a "scammer" why would he ask for help. The situation is out of his control as he mentioned he is not technically capable to rectify the problem.

            As warriors we should help those in need not accuse them of being a scammer as that is not very nice.

            So in you book when you arrive at a site, do a purchase and dlgaurd or paypal failed to deliver the product the seller becomes a scammer.

            We learn every day
            Bottom line is this...if you collect money from others and do not deliver the product it is the fault of the person collecting the money. I am pretty sure the courts would view it the same way too.

            What if I am hired to paint someone's house and they pay me ahead of time for it and I go and pay money to a subcontractor to perform the work for me. Who is the one legally responsible if the subcontractors take my money and run?

            I would be for sure.

            Though I may have my own case against the subcontractors the person who paid me would have a case against me.

            The fact that the op is looking for a solution means he has a heart and is trying to rectify the problem. Which is telling for sure. But he should call his web host immediately and ask them to cancel the hosting on the site until he can get things squared away. Because the courts are not going to give a rip if he has a heart or not if a case is brought before them.
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            • Profile picture of the author David Allen
              Still doesn't make him a scammer, maybe someone out of their depths but not a scammer.

              By the same token, the very fact that he is getting sales possibly means that he was not scammed either - he purchased a business which he is making sales for but some of the machinery sounds like it has broken - he is looking for help to get it fixed.

              Agree that maybe the PayPal button should be disabled until then but not a scammer in my book.

              Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

              Bottom line is this...if you collect money from others and do not deliver the product it is the fault of the person collecting the money. I am pretty sure the courts would view it the same way too.

              What if I am hired to paint someone's house and they pay me ahead of time for it and I go and pay money to a subcontractor to perform the work for me. Who is the one legally responsible if the subcontractors take my money and run?

              I would be for sure.

              Though I may have my own case against the subcontractors the person who paid me would have a case against me.

              The fact that the op is looking for a solution means he has a heart and is trying to rectify the problem. Which is telling for sure. But he should call his web host immediately and ask them to cancel the hosting on the site until he can get things squared away. Because the courts are not going to give a rip if he has a heart or not if a case is brought before them.
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            • Profile picture of the author sylviad
              Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

              Bottom line is this...if you collect money from others and do not deliver the product it is the fault of the person collecting the money. I am pretty sure the courts would view it the same way too.

              What if I am hired to paint someone's house and they pay me ahead of time for it and I go and pay money to a subcontractor to perform the work for me. Who is the one legally responsible if the subcontractors take my money and run?

              I would be for sure.

              Though I may have my own case against the subcontractors the person who paid me would have a case against me.

              The fact that the op is looking for a solution means he has a heart and is trying to rectify the problem. Which is telling for sure. But he should call his web host immediately and ask them to cancel the hosting on the site until he can get things squared away. Because the courts are not going to give a rip if he has a heart or not if a case is brought before them.
              While courts can be harsh, they also do have guidelines. The moment a sale defaults through non-delivery, the seller has a set period of time to rectify the problem and deliver the product. As David Allen and others have said, a delivery problem does not constitute a scammer.

              A scammer is someone who takes deliberate steps to steal from people. If your interpretation were correct, many marketers could be accused of being scammers, me included, when their delivery systems failed for one reason or another.

              donkey097...

              It doesn't really sound like your guy is a scammer in the full sense of the word. He might not be completely honest, but you don't really know that. If it is perfectly legitimate for him to sell the same system repeatedly, and that system is an exact duplicate for everyone, then he is not a scammer - (unless he told you everyone gets something different.)

              This is especially true since you did get what you purchased. The only problem seems to be that you cannot locate everything and don't know what to do with it even if you did find it all.

              As far as profit potential from the system goes, no one can guarantee you will make a set amount. Most likely, if you look really closely, there is a disclaimer on his sales page to this effect. If not, then he is in default, because it is illegal to make such claims.

              If you still want to contact him, might I suggest you locate his host company and tell them your story. Ask them how you can contact the person who owns that domain. They should be able to help you.

              If you want a refund, you might have success by contacting the payment service used for this transaction, ie: PayPal or whatever.

              It seems that you are getting it sorted slowly but surely. I would guess that the missing download files are probably on some delivery service as has already been suggested. There are several out there, but you still need the right access codes to get to them, which he should have supplied.

              If the seller put all the files on your host account, they most likely are in one of the folders for the domain you are using for this system. You can access those through your Control Panel / File Manager area. Of course, if they are on a separate site that provides safe download services, they won't likely be in your domain folders as well, but they could be.

              Hope this helps.

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  • Profile picture of the author David Allen
    Hi donkey097 (???)

    It looks like you purchased a promising looking site, set up for you to promote and earn from - the seller is now rinsing and repeating what is a good business model for him - although it seems like his claims about earnings may not be legit if he is using the same figures, tesitmonials etc as for the site he sold to you.

    I too purchased sites like this from eBay, many years ago and before I knew any better - "too good to be true" BizOps usually are just that but hey ho!

    The good news is that it might possibly be a simple fix to get it up and running again. Not sure whether you can message me here - PM me if you can and I will take a look to see where the problem might lie. If it's a simple fix I will fix it for you, if it's going to take some work I will point you in the right direction.

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  • Profile picture of the author donkey097
    mattaclear - for your information i have collected no money whatsoever, i am no scammer. why would i do that, i run a legitimate business. Warrior Forum is suppose to help people no accuse them, be careful what you say i dont appreciate it.

    David Allen - i have not received nay sales, i will not promote anything until it is correct, i used my fiancee paypal account for testing and it did not work. I als suggest you know all the facts - all i wanted was some help but people clearly are not seeing that.

    Thanks to those who have helped, so far i have been able to locate 12 out of the 21 files needed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Burton
      Originally Posted by donkey097 View Post

      i have been scammed, the seller is not returning any phone calls or emails for three weeks and has not delivered on the training as promised - plus i have now seen he is selling exactly the same site with a different URL with the same claimed financials as the ad i bought from, that sounds like scam to me. The email list given of the buyers, they never bought.

      I just need help finding the files that i am meant to send to the customer
      Something I don't think anyone has addressed in this is you should look at the original text of what the offer was. There are 'turnkey' sites, i.e. ones that you can buy that are IDENTICAL to one that makes the money amounts described. Though they usually are not sold including a domain name.


      Originally Posted by donkey097 View Post

      It seemed a simple enough website to run and i had some great ideas. Unfortunately the seller has transferred everything to me but when you someone goes to buy and they pay, no files are sent to them. I do not have the expertise in this area, i believe all files may exist on my control panel but do not know how to automate it or send them to the customer.
      According to the original post, you made it sound as though people are buying, hence the misunderstanding, as you clarified below.

      Originally Posted by donkey097 View Post

      mattaclear - for your information i have collected no money whatsoever, i am no scammer. why would i do that, i run a legitimate business. Warrior Forum is suppose to help people no accuse them, be careful what you say i dont appreciate it.

      David Allen - i have not received nay sales, i will not promote anything until it is correct, i used my fiancee paypal account for testing and it did not work. I als suggest you know all the facts - all i wanted was some help but people clearly are not seeing that.

      Thanks to those who have helped, so far i have been able to locate 12 out of the 21 files needed.
      Honestly, when I first read your original post, I was alarmed that it said people would buy and nothing got sent to them, and you didn't know where to find the files to send. It sounded like you were going to get into trouble with angry customers.

      That he is selling an identical site with the same financials strictly speaking does not mean scam, as I mentioned above. Without knowing the exact offer that was made (and I mean EXACT, as in the actual sales letter, agreement, etc) we can't be sure whether it was a misunderstanding about what he was selling or not.

      But if he included training and support with his offer, and this was part of the agreement of the sale, and he hasn't followed through, then I can see that component being a breach.

      Sadly, I don't think there's a lot I can do to help, because I don't know anything about what delivery methods are in use, and I don't know what files you're looking for. Though if you would like to PM with more information I will also be happy to look into it for you as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Allen
      Originally Posted by donkey097 View Post

      David Allen - i have not received nay sales, i will not promote anything until it is correct, i used my fiancee paypal account for testing and it did not work. I als suggest you know all the facts - all i wanted was some help but people clearly are not seeing that.
      I have already offered to help - please see my prvious message.

      It's obvious that you have purchased a turnkey system that is not unique - if that's what the original claim is then you may have a case for dispute - does the site you purchased from have a dispute process?

      As I said before - PM me after you've read my earlier reply properly.

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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    Did I get it correctly? - You bought something that you have no idea how it works and you are planning to sell and install it for others?

    In other words: if they sold you something that they are selling to others, too... it's scam. That you want to sell the same stuff to others, that would be fine if you could figure out where those files are.

    Is this the story in a nutshell?
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    It's a site that sells PLR autoblogs. I've seen these guys on Flippa and they sell the plr blogs, the traffic, the movies websites over and over and over again with promises that the buyer will make huge profits. It's probably the same guy on websitebroker that is on Flippa doing this.

    I bought one of the blogs because it was my blog and he had no right to sell it. I paid the money but there was no download. It took me a week to get the download only to verify that it was my site he was selling.

    They're thieves and ripoff artists and they prey on newbies who are looking for a good website investment that may bring them sales. If anyone here has never gotten taken once in their life, good for them, but it's not uncommon.

    He probably will never see his money back since escrow was used. He now has to try to get it working and connected to actually deliver the sites when someone purchases. Don't know if the sites are actually even there. They may or may not be. Took me a long time and a lot of threats to get "my" site.
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  • Profile picture of the author donkey097
    unfortunately i used escrow and it was my first time and wasnt aware to have a longer inspection period.
    Big thanks to those who offered to help, with the help given i have been able to locate 20 out of the 21 files, so i can begin to market the site. Unfortunately the 21st does not exist which is not ideal but im a lot better off than i was two days ago. Also, someone has kindly sent me the instructions i was after from the original seller so i can run the site effectively.
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  • Profile picture of the author donkey097
    also - i am very sad with the website i bought the site through (it wasnt flippa) as i have told them and they have seen the duplicate ads and false revenue claims but are still showing the person listing, hopefully no one else gets caught out.

    I bought the site for a lot of money because of the claimed financials, but there has actually been no sales - that is the reason i thought it was a scam
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    • Profile picture of the author Bozigian
      Originally Posted by donkey097 View Post

      also - i am very sad with the website i bought the site through (it wasnt flippa) as i have told them and they have seen the duplicate ads and false revenue claims but are still showing the person listing, hopefully no one else gets caught out.

      I bought the site for a lot of money because of the claimed financials, but there has actually been no sales - that is the reason i thought it was a scam
      Hey not trying to attack you but it seems like you are new to IM.
      Many people selling their things claims that you will make money in months.

      If you havent made money in IM on your own then I think buying a site because of the claimed financials was a bad idea.

      I only pay 10 bucks a month for hosting and make around 40-250 dollars now monthly, all this on my own. You dont need to buy a website, you just need to make one your own
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    • Profile picture of the author Zaney
      Originally Posted by donkey097 View Post

      also - i am very sad with the website i bought the site through (it wasnt flippa) as i have told them and they have seen the duplicate ads and false revenue claims but are still showing the person listing, hopefully no one else gets caught out.

      I bought the site for a lot of money because of the claimed financials, but there has actually been no sales - that is the reason i thought it was a scam

      HEy man i can help you out, i have a funny feeling that i know which site you bought, and possible the guy who sold you the site is on this exact forum and i did business with him.... and he is no good. lol....

      PM me the site URL and i will confirm and or help you out.
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