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Exit Pop Up in Clickbank

by GodFadr
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I am looking for a way to collect emails for a clickbank product I have (non-buyers) but want to be sure of two things.

1. I only want a pop up in the event the user goes to click the window (not buy) and

2. I want to be sure I protect the hoplink of the person that referred them.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks!
#clickbank #exit #pop
  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by GodFadr View Post

    I want to be sure I protect the hoplink of the person that referred them.
    Whatever steps you take to do that, GF, in effect your affiliates will have only your word that you're doing so (apart from maybe a few naive ones who imagine, mistakenly, that they can realistically try to verify that by opting in to it themselves!).

    Many affiliates won't mind, and having an exit pop-up with an opt-in may not automatically disqualify your product from selection for their purposes, but bear in mind that 90% of affiliate-referred sales, overall, are made by only 10% of the affiliates: I strongly suspect that the ones who will mind - the serious, professional affiliates - are typically in that 10% group.

    Originally Posted by GodFadr View Post

    Can anyone point me in the right direction?
    I think this thread is perhaps a good starting-point.
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    • Profile picture of the author GodFadr
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post


      Many affiliates won't mind, and having an exit pop-up with an opt-in may not automatically disqualify your product from selection for their purposes, but bear in mind that 90% of affiliate-referred sales, overall, are made by only 10% of the affiliates: I strongly suspect that the ones who will mind - the serious, professional affiliates - are typically in that 10% group.
      Yeah, it is a catch 22. I don't like it on the rare occasion that I promote someones product, but I totally get why to do it when you promote your own.

      I think the first part is know who you are dealing with...and always check. I want affiliates to get whatever they are due.
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    • Profile picture of the author Coby
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Whatever steps you take to do that, GF, in effect your affiliates will have only your word that you're doing so (apart from maybe a few naive ones who imagine, mistakenly, that they can realistically try to verify that by opting in to it themselves!).

      Many affiliates won't mind, and having an exit pop-up with an opt-in may not automatically disqualify your product from selection for their purposes, but bear in mind that 90% of affiliate-referred sales, overall, are made by only 10% of the affiliates: I strongly suspect that the ones who will mind - the serious, professional affiliates - are typically in that 10% group.



      I think this thread is perhaps a good starting-point.
      Good advice, but I don't think this answers his question...

      A great tool that does this for you is Mike Cowles Pop Up Magic (was recently a WSO for $7). Whats cool with Mike's tools is it literally takes a couple clicks and your set. Also, you can add audio...

      If you don't want to spend any money just do a search on google for "exit pop script" if you install the script manually you will have to add variables to the "safe" links...

      If you still can't find one on Google, send me a PM I have one on my hard drive somewhere...
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      • Profile picture of the author GodFadr
        Originally Posted by Coby View Post

        Good advice, but I don't think this answers his question...

        A great tool that does this for you is Mike Cowles Pop Up Magic (was recently a WSO for $7). Whats cool with Mike's tools is it literally takes a couple clicks and your set. Also, you can add audio...
        Thanks Coby. Yeah, I get that it is an ethical question (or at least a personal choice). There are some products I would never add the pop-up, but there are some that it makes sense for both me and the affiliate.
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        • Profile picture of the author Coby
          Originally Posted by GodFadr View Post

          Thanks Coby. Yeah, I get that it is an ethical question (or at least a personal choice). There are some products I would never add the pop-up, but there are some that it makes sense for both me and the affiliate.
          I sell on CB too, and I wouldn't consider not using a exit pop... With Mike's tool you can do it ethically and correctly. You are not distracting the customer from buying (like with a lightbox) and you aren't stripping their id either (by pushing the exit pop through your own ID).

          These are people that have decided not to buy, so you are actually do the affiliates a favor by capturing them, because they might get paid for a sale they would have likely missed otherwise...

          I personally don't mind sending affiliate traffic to a page set up like that, but I will not promote a product with an opt-in on the sales page or one that has a lightbox...
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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Many affiliates won't mind, and having an exit pop-up with an opt-in may not automatically disqualify your product from selection for their purposes, but bear in mind that 90% of affiliate-referred sales, overall, are made by only 10% of the affiliates: I strongly suspect that the ones who will mind - the serious, professional affiliates - are typically in that 10% group.
      An exit popup is one of the main things that are an immediate turn-off when I'm researching CB for new products to promote. Exit popup, or provide your email address for something free and I'm gone.

      The problem is, it's becoming more and more difficult these days to find a product without either.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Most of the vendor sales pages are turn-offs with not only just exit popups and lead capture forms, but also the very poor sales copy itself. What I do with otherwise good products is to bypass the vendor sales page completely. All of my promotions and modified sales copy have links directly to the order page, which considerably increases conversions and reduces the order page abandonment rate.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          Most of the vendor sales pages are turn-offs with not only just exit popups and lead capture forms, but also the very poor sales copy itself.
          Agreed. It's a very time-consuming business, finding products one's happy to promote. With over 14,000 currently active products on Clickbank, though, it can be done.

          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          What I do with otherwise good products is to bypass the vendor sales page completely. All of my promotions and modified sales copy have links directly to the order page, which considerably increases conversions and reduces the order page abandonment rate.
          I'm not willing to do that, myself, for a few reasons, the main one of which is that bypassing the vendor's sales page doesn't set an affiliate cookie on your prospective customers' computers - so, one's using Clickbank, but opting out of their affiliate cookie-tracking system, which isn't for me.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            ...I'm not willing to do that, myself, for a few reasons, the main one of which is that bypassing the vendor's sales page doesn't set an affiliate cookie on your prospective customers' computers - so, one's using Clickbank, but opting out of their affiliate cookie-tracking system, which isn't for me.
            I've been doing this for years, with no problems. Using this format, the order page sets a cookie:

            Code:
            http://prodnumber.affiliate_vendor.pay.clickbank.net
            Instead of just the vendor's code in the second position in the URL, the affiliate's code is prepended plus an underscore. For example, say that a vendor's payment link is:

            Code:
            http://2.mystupidebook.pay.clickbank.net
            And suppose that your affiliate code is iamsam.

            Then your affiliate payment link, which bypasses the vendor's sales page entirely, would be:

            Code:
            http://2.iamsam_mystupidebook.pay.clickbank.net
            You can generally find this information by using your mouse to hover over the order page link, unless the vendor is using a forwarding link.

            Try it. You will see your affiliate code at the bottom of the payment page, which means that a cookie is set and you do get credit for the sale.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Thanks, Paul ... now all I have to do is write 17 replacement sales pages for the 17 products I'm currently promoting (and get 17 vendors' permissions to do this, to comply with Clickbanks terms ... though I wouldn't think that part's too difficult, admittedly).
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              • Profile picture of the author myob
                LOL! (Psssst.... It's much easier to get forgiveness than permission. No one has ever said a word to me about it.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Diane S
    ClickBank recently added this feature. Look for "PitchPlus" info there.
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    • Profile picture of the author GodFadr
      Originally Posted by Diane S View Post

      ClickBank recently added this feature. Look for "PitchPlus" info there.
      I saw that. It appeared to be a an Upsell feature. I actually want to send non-buyers to some additional free videos and increase the affiliates chance at a sale (not leave them out of course). Not looking to "stack" products.
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    Be aware that Adwords doesn't like these pages, so encourage your affiliates to send prospects to a presell page first and then to the product sales page.
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    Whatever steps you take to do that, GF, in effect your affiliates will have only your word that you're doing so (apart from maybe a few naive ones who imagine, mistakenly, that they can realistically try to verify that by opting in to it themselves!).

    Many affiliates won't mind, and having an exit pop-up with an opt-in may not automatically disqualify your product from selection for their purposes, but bear in mind that 90% of affiliate-referred sales, overall, are made by only 10% of the affiliates: I strongly suspect that the ones who will mind - the serious, professional affiliates - are typically in that 10% group.
    I could not disagree more.

    Serious affiliates know that collecting leads for followup is only going to increase their conversions.

    CB will kick people out if they find them stripping leads. More commonly, after someone leaves the site they delete their cookies or later return through some other affiliate's links- that is where loss occurs.

    I've sent millions of clicks through CB and just don't buy into the optin paranoia that many people here have.

    Even if the vendor sends the prospect back through a "naked" link as they should the original cookie is still there unless the prospect deleted their cookies. In that case, nothing can be done anyway.

    Regardless, all affiliates should be building their own list before sending prospects off to the vendor. That way you are building your own business and not just funneling traffic to someone else.

    Sending visitors off to a vendor site without securing the lead is a long-term strategy for disaster.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      Serious affiliates know that collecting leads for followup is only going to increase their conversions.
      I completely agree.

      I wouldn't think anyone who knows much about it could possibly disagree with this assertion, could they?

      The difference is that serious affiliates want their prospects on their list, not on the vendor's list.

      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      CB will kick people out if they find them stripping leads.
      Good Heavens - you're totally mistaken about this, LB! I've never before seen you be so wrong about something, but I'm afraid you just have your facts wrong, here.

      Clickbank allows this. That's why it's such a problem! (They have to allow it, because they're powerless to prevent it, if you think about it?).

      In Clickbank's view, once someone opts in to the vendor's sales page, that lead then "belongs" to the vendor. This is what underlies the entire problem discussed here so regularly in dozens of threads like this one.

      I don't even blame Clickbank for having this attitude, myself, because they wouldn't be able to enforce anything different they decided to do, anyway: as they explain, it just wouldn't be realistic. With the best will in the world, you can't ask them to take responsibility for enforcing something that's totally outside their control.

      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      I've sent millions of clicks through CB and just don't buy into the optin paranoia that many people here have.
      You're perhaps unaware of the research I did in 2009, discussed here so extensively in many threads?

      85% of the vendors whose products-with-a-sales-page-opt-in I tested myself were sending out emails to those who opted in, at some point during the 60-day cookie-duration, giving them alternative affiliate links to buy the product. And they're allowed to do this.

      So please excuse me if I don't quite see it as "paranoia": I actually tested it myself.

      Sorry if that's all a bit inconvenient to your perspective.

      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      Sending visitors off to a vendor site without securing the lead is a long-term strategy for disaster.
      Clearly.

      Nobody's suggesting anything different.

      But, if you'll excuse me, when my skills, time, energy and effort have generated the lead, I want the lead on my list.

      Obviously, it's not about "whether they're on a list": it's about "whose list they're on".

      All vendors need to do (as so many do, these days) is simply to provide their affiliates with a choice of otherwise identical sales pages: one with an opt-in and one without.

      That way they can attract both the 10% of affiliates who make 90% of the affiliate-referred sales and the other 90% of the affiliates who collectively make only 10% of the affiliate-referred sales and (perhaps because they know no better) don't mind sales pages with a vendor's opt-in on them.
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    I have not seen vendors overwriting IDs in followups except once. I asked CB about it and they told me they contacted the vendor regarding it. This was about 2 years ago.

    As a vendor, CB has contacted me on occasion about concerns affiliates have had including followup messages, order tracking etc. I've never tried anything "funny" but CB certainly talked to me about it when there was a concern so we could clarify any possible issues.

    I'm really stunned you see 85% of vendors doing this...is this in the IM niche? Most of my traffic is outside "IM" and I never see this. If I did I would immediately call the vendor on it.

    It would be completely foolish for a vendor to do this because the minute an affiliate sees it they are gone.

    You say you've seen it 85% of the time, and I've just never seen it. Perhaps its the niches we are in?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      It would be completely foolish for a vendor to do this because the minute an affiliate sees it they are gone.
      The affiliates don't normally see it, though, do they? That's the whole point.

      I'm not suggesting that vendors do that with all the leads, or that they do it with all the emails they send out, obviously (that really would be stupid: they'd last no time at all). But they have a very powerful incentive to do it occasionally, if you think about it, don't they? If they're paying 75% commission, then any occasional sale like that that they can "purloin" earns them four times as much as an affiliate-referred sale. They only have to do it pretty occasionally to double their incomes, don't they? Rather a strong incentive, don't you think?

      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      You say you've seen it 85% of the time, and I've just never seen it.
      Perhaps you haven't researched it in such a meticulous, organised way as I did?

      It's pretty unnoticeable, if you don't, I think.

      (I'm not suggesting there's any reason you should have done, I hasten to say!).

      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      Perhaps its the niches we are in?
      Perhaps, yes.

      I did this across a broad spectrum of niches, though, not just niches I'm in, myself. (At the time, I was actually trying to determine whether it was a niche-specific or a universal phenomenon).

      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      I have not seen vendors overwriting IDs in followups except once.
      I accept what you say, of course. Just as I'm sure you'll accept that there's really a huge number of threads here in which Warriors say that they have seen this many times.

      It's a problem. But, from the vendor's perspective, it's a problem with a really easy solution, as mentioned in my post just above.
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  • Profile picture of the author Audarah
    I'd look for a "gentle" pop up- but I wouldn't use my exact words. Basically, just avoid a mousetrap. I actually was on a clinkbank site today just checking something out real quick and wanted to leave. My experience went something like this:
    Hey wait, stop. Are you sure? ( hit the x)
    Really? Don't need time to think about it? (cancel to STAY)
    (When I tried to just exit the whole site), it then REPEATED itself and then THIS time popped up a voice ad that started talking to me.
    I literally had to shut my computer down, as I was THAT mad.

    One thing I can say for sure is that plenty of times, I had searched for something online I really wanted to buy- and was determined to buy, but had to talk to my husband when he got home about it, etc. I would then bookmark the page with the full intent on going back and actually buying the product and then get STUCK on that page with the most annoying pop-ups ever.

    I never bought from a site that did that to me, and a lot of bookmarked sites became un-bookmarked really, really quickly.
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