Is this right? I am copying the sales page of the affiliate I am promoting

[edpudol1973]

Most of the CB affiliate sites I am promoting designs are not good looking. So what I usually do is create my own sales page using all the content in the original page with better design than the original sales page, then upload this to my own server and promote it.

I am making income with this technique, but I am not sure if this is okey or do I need to ask the permission of the product before doing this?

[freudianslip27]

It doesn't sound to me like you are doing anything wrong, though if you aren't sure you could contact the seller to ask directly.

As an affiliate marketer, it is in our best interest to "presell" our visitors, and that's what it sounds like you are doing.

Matt

[The Launch Manager]

I'm fairly certain that if you're promoting their
products...and doing it in an integrous way (i.e. not
adding any false claims)...they will just be happy
you are promoting and making them sales.

It's also the best way, from what I understand, to
do any kind of PPC campaigns (Meaning...you can't just
do PPC to affiliate link anymore...and instead it has to
go to a 'unique' page). I'm also not very ppc savvy, but
I think I have that right.

So...yeah...as far as I understand...what you're doing is
not only 'cool'...its actually a very good way to do it

I'm sure someone will let me know if I'm missing something,
as this 'stuff' isn't my strong suit...buttttt...i have learned
a thing or two other then launches...and that thing or two
is telling me you're in good shape

[Johnny Slater]

If you are using any of their content then you have to ask permission first to be legal.

Some people would be upset about the copyright infringement and some would not. It doesn't matter if it is bringing them more money, thats not an issue.

If you didn't create it yourself you must get permission to use it.

[edpudol1973]

Originally Posted by Johnny Slater

If you are using any of their content then you have to ask permission first to be legal.

Some people would be upset about the copyright infringement and some would not. It doesn't matter if it is bringing them more money, thats not an issue.

If you didn't create it yourself you must get permission to use it.

Thanks for the advice, I usually use the sales content, and yes I use their pictures, if the author have picture and video if the sales page have video.

[Addie]

Most of the time they will let you know what you cannot use from site such as testamonies but usually you are allowed to take info from site to promote and clean it up to presell. Good luck

[yesacpow]

Originally Posted by edpudol1973

Most of the CB affiliate sites I am promoting designs are not good looking. So what I usually do is create my own sales page using all the content in the original page with better design than the original sales page, then upload this to my own server and promote it.

I am making income with this technique, but I am not sure if this is okey or do I need to ask the permission of the product before doing this?

Do you send your visitors back to the vendors sales page?

If not how do you bypass it to the order page containing your affiliate id?

[rondo]

Always ask permission. They own it and you don't.

[Bruce NewMedia]

The minute you 'take' the copy from their page and use it on your page it is a form of plagiarizing. The fact that you change the graphics doesn't matter. It seems to me you still need to get permission from the product source to do this.
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Bruce

[trevord92]

Hi

Another thing to be careful about is using any pictures. They may only be licensed to the main affiliate site (even if they're from a royalty free site) and picture libraries can get quite upset about unlicensed re-use of their images.

Trevor

[mikemcmillan]

I would also consider what Google thinks of this. If you are trying to get front page organic listings for your site--Google will see this duplicate content. If you use CSS on your page, this separates completely the style from the text. While your page may "look" better than that of the publisher, Google is not "stylish" and sees only your text.

Because of what I said above, as a publisher, I don't like people doing this because I don't want Google getting confused about which of a hundred sites out there is the original (mine). I put the work into optimizing my site and others are leeching off of my optimizing work by doing this.

Just my thoughts... Good luck bud!

[Justin Delahoyde]

Look in your affiliate agreement usually a company will outline what you can use and cannot use. If it doesn't mention then send them an email or something because you are liable for the content that you post.

[simebern]

Originally Posted by mikemcmillan

I would also consider what Google thinks of this. If you are trying to get front page organic listings for your site--Google will see this duplicate content. If you use CSS on your page, this separates completely the style from the text. While your page may "look" better than that of the publisher, Google is not "stylish" and sees only your text.

Because of what I said above, as a publisher, I don't like people doing this because I don't want Google getting confused about which of a hundred sites out there is the original (mine). I put the work into optimizing my site and others are leeching off of my optimizing work by doing this.

Just my thoughts... Good luck bud!

Hi Mike,
Don't stress too much about Google getting confused who is the original owner of the content. This is calculated by time and authority, so if you ARE the original owner, then you will have posted the content and had it crawled before anyone else. That said, all other pages that contain the same content following would be seen to have duplicate content - they will be effected by this, but not you.

Just my 2 cents worth!
Simon.

[Mark Kaye]

Originally Posted by edpudol1973

I am making income with this technique.

If you are making income so are they. I guarantee they will never have a problem with that!

I am a Clickbank publisher (Publicity and Marketing Niche) and I will tell you that I don't care where, when, or how my product is promoted with the following exceptions:

- The promotional method does not make outrageous or unsubstantiated claims
- The promotional method does not breach into moral turpitude
- The promotional method does not damage my own image or the image of my product
- The promotional method is not illegal

Other than that I say anything goes.

[Johnny Slater]

Originally Posted by Mark Kaye

If you are making income so are they. I guarantee they will never have a problem with that!

No you can not guarentee that. Just because you may not have a problem with it does not mean someone else wont either.

There are many people, myself included, who would not allow affiliates to use content from their sales page. If you want to promote a product then design your own page to promote it.

Taking someone else's content without their permission, regardless of why you do it, is against the the law. Copyright laws protect sales pages just like any other content someone might own.

First, dont take anything you read on this forum as right or wrong. When legal issues are involved you only have one option, consult a legal expert who can give you an answer that will keep you out of legal trouble and you can trust.

Second, that said, regardless of how others here try to rationalize it you never have any right to use anything belonging to someone else without their permission.

Anyone advising you to go ahead and use the content, that you don't have to ask for permission, are giving you the worst kind of advice. Their advice can land you huge legal fines.

Remember this, advice in a forum is easy to give because the person giving the advice has nothing to lose. No one in this thread will be out a dime if you are sued for copyright infrindgement. You will. If you take advice from here without seeking legal aid from a licensed professional you are setting yourself up for a very costly fall.

[Mark Kaye]

Originally Posted by Johnny Slater

No you can not guarentee that. Just because you may not have a problem with it does not mean someone else wont either.

Hmmm...okay I take back my Guarantee. Let me re-phrase: Speaking for myself, I don't have a problem with you borrowing copy from my page...so feel free to promote my product and use my copy any day!

But check with other publishers first...

[Matt Maiden]

I for one would NOT want an affiliate to duplicate my sales letter. There is the possibility that this person could be sending people away from sales due to any number of copy issues.

The first and obvious problem area could be overall site design.
The affiliate could be using a design theme on his /her site that scares leads off.

They can be taking elements of my sales copy and switching it around and making it a mangled mess.

And at the very least is the redundancy factor which can turn people off.

I would like my affiliates to use the pre-sell principles that Ken Evoy teaches with his Site Sell product line and not try to "fix" or improve what he / she thinks are flaws with my copy. That's my job.

Just because the affiliate gets a check does not mean that we are not losing sales.

When I have used affiliates for some of my products I made this clear.
Not all money made has the same value believe it or not.

The money made a day might not cover the damage done to the branding of the product.

That's just my opinion.

Matt

[Chris Lockwood]

Another thing to consider is that if the offer changes (price, bonuses, etc.) your sales page would be out of date, and unless you checked frequently, you probably would not realize you were running an incorrect ad

[Jay Deiboldt]

Why would you not let your affiliates rip content from your sales page? Especially if you have GREAT copy? Wouldn't you rather have them writing pre-sells with good content even if they don't have the ability to write it themselves?

John Hostler used to run a membership site called Renegade Affiliates Monthly where he'd re-write and put a new design on Clickbank sales pages. Some of the same images, and the testimonials were used.

He didn't ask permission, and no one had a problem with it. And as a matter of fact, a number of the product owners actually joined the site, and replaced their sales pages with the one John did.

Funny they got a high-end rewrite of their letter for $37 bucks

Not a bad deal.

Anyway - there's not one reason I could think of for not giving your affiliates access to whatever they want if they're making sales (except the testimonials if that's an issue)

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by yesacpow

Do you send your visitors back to the vendors sales page?

If not how do you bypass it to the order page containing your affiliate id?

This has not been answered.

I assume that the OP does not send visitors back to the
vendors sales page as they would be seeing the same content
again. If so he must be bypassing it in which case ClickBank
insist that you MUST get permission from the vendor.

Details here: Order Form Link

Harvey

[perfecthomebuz]

If what you are doing is for the promotion of their products. There is noting wrong with it.

Taiwo

[perfecthomebuz]

There is nothing wrong with what you are doing if it is their product that you are promoting.

By the time they see it and discover that what you have is better than theirs, you may even become their designer. That is a new job.

Taiwo.

[Mike McBride]

Originally Posted by perfecthomebuz

If what you are doing is for the promotion of their products. There is noting wrong with it.

Taiwo

Did you even read this thread, past the OP? Or do you not understand the meaning of copyright? And did you read Harvey's post, in which he says (and he should know) that you MUST get the vendor's permission if you're bypassing their sales page?