Since When Is It OK To LIE?

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I'm all about marketing tactics...

"You must order by (today's date) to claim your bonuses"

Fine.

That's actually not lying b/c you're not saying they are not available the next day...

And the list goes on and on....

But saying there are "only X number left" (very small number) when it's a front end offer and the email is being sent to thousands???

Yeah, you made an entire sales page to give out (very small number) of FREE CD's...

Right....

It doesn't really bother me so much as it makes these marketers look silly. (many of who claim to be so "ethical")

LOL
#lie
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Believe it or not, some of us stick to those amounts.

    It's never okay to lie.

    It's also not okay to accuse all marketers of being liars.

    Every time I set a limit, I stick to it. Period.

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    • Profile picture of the author OnlineMasterMind
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      • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
        I've seen some offers that said limited number available and actually did sell out and close down the offer (at least temporarily). And I've seen others where it was just a marketing tactic.

        Personally, I don't really mind it. I wouldn't use that particular tactic myself, but I'm much more concerned with the quality of the product itself.
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      • Profile picture of the author matthewd
        Originally Posted by OnlineMasterMind View Post

        It's not an accusation.

        Million dollar marketers don't create offers to get 10 people on a $30/mo continuity...
        Do you have an example of these marketers that are only letting in 10 people at $30/month?

        Some of us do stick to our words on the number of copies... some don't. There was a certain successful launch about 10 month ago that claimed to be capped at "500 or so" and it turns out the "or so" apparently means 1,500 total.

        I agree that it is crap to make false claims about it, but I think your claims are a little false too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    If you don't have verifiable proof, physical proof, not just "I know it happens every time"...then it IS an accusation.

    Anyway, I agree that it's not cool when they lie to drive up interest. Consider this: some of those limits ARE stuck to. Even the "10 people on a $30/mo" can be changed as soon as the first 10 are gone. Then they can raise the price. In this way they can get people to act fast.

    I'm not saying it happens all the time, one way or the other, but I'm not painting all offers with the same broad (and negative) brush.

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      All I know is I've been getting a lot of people bitching to me because my
      12 days of Christmas sale for each day actually only lasted for one day
      for each product.

      I guess some people don't really think anybody keeps their word anymore.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        All I know is I've been getting a lot of people bitching to me because my
        12 days of Christmas sale for each day actually only lasted for one day
        for each product.

        I guess some people don't really think anybody keeps their word anymore.
        Interesting Steven... so people are now complaining if they aren't served a hot steaming plate of B.S which they have been conditioned to expect? That's a riot!

        Kind of like working at a farm, where you anticipate the smell, and you expect to shovel some B.S. around. You are used to it, but when you arrive and there is nothing to smell or nothing to shovel, well, that is quite odd. :confused:

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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Jared,

          You made me chuckle!

          I think our society really started to crumble in the 90s when the media started to wax on about how well all leaders can spin the truth and began fawning all over them for such skills.

          These days you often look foolish if you actually believe anything at all that a merchant (or politician) says. There is this tacit acceptance nowadays to being lied to and it creates a lot of awkward moments for those of us that are stuck on honesty.

          If we assume someone is being honest, we are often berated for such expectations, and yet if we assume they are not, we suffer the same indignity. It's as if we are being told to "shut up and take it".

          I guess I'm just a "stick in the mud" since I can't accept how hip it is these days to lie and deceive.
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    • Profile picture of the author ss442
      When your ex-wife asks', "How much money you got?".

      When your current wife asks' "How did my dog wind up in the tree" (after you came home and found he'd crapped once again on the couch)

      But, not when marketing. I hear this tactic all the time-"Only 25 copies left", no-scratch that, now only 17-nope, now only 7 copies left!"

      I understand the tactic and I know it works to some extent. It is designed to produce immediate action. Fear of loss. I have gone back to a sales page before when I really could afford to buy the thing only to find it pulled from the market. Their loss in my opinion.

      That is another consideration. Generally I spend only "discretionary" income on products. And if I don't have the funds now I might spend it later.

      Your call.

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  • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
    Steven, I think a lot of people don't keep their word. Its not true all the time, but a lot of this is just marketing fluff. I've even seen it taught as a tactic in some eBooks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas
    Originally Posted by OnlineMasterMind View Post

    Re: Since When Is It OK To LIE?
    It's been "ok" to lie since the dawn of time (or at least since the dawn of the human brain in it's current form). Lying is a universal feature in all human development: Almost every human over the age of 4 or 5 can lie convincingly. I doubt there's a single person on the planet who has never lied and I doubt there's very few who fail to do so on a regular basis. It's (a big) part of human nature (and much social interaction and negotiation between humans involves lie detection).

    As for whether it's right/wrong to lie, the majority of people think it's mostly wrong most of the time (even though the majority lie on a regular basis anyway).

    Tommy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
      Thomas...lol

      The logical honesty of you posts crack me up!
      Even when I can't tell if your lying or not! j/k :rolleyes:

      Have a Great Day/Night!
      Michael

      Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

      It's been "ok" to lie since the dawn of time (or at least since the dawn of the human brain in it's current form). Lying is a universal feature in all human development: Almost every human over the age of 4 or 5 can lie convincingly. I doubt there's a single person on the planet who has never lied and I doubt there's very few who fail to do so on a regular basis. It's (a big) part of human nature (and much social interaction and negotiation between humans involves lie detection).

      As for whether it's right/wrong to lie, the majority of people think it's mostly wrong most of the time (even though the majority lie on a regular basis anyway).

      Tommy.
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    • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
      Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

      It's been "ok" to lie since the dawn of time (or at least since the dawn of the human brain in it's current form). Lying is a universal feature in all human development: Almost every human over the age of 4 or 5 can lie convincingly. I doubt there's a single person on the planet who has never lied and I doubt there's very few who fail to do so on a regular basis. It's (a big) part of human nature (and much social interaction and negotiation between humans involves lie detection).

      As for whether it's right/wrong to lie, the majority of people think it's mostly wrong most of the time (even though the majority lie on a regular basis anyway).

      Tommy.
      Stop LYING Tommy!!!

      I don't like the sales pages that say the super special low price it's good ONLY FOR TODAY, then next day it says the same thing. Next week, next month, it still says ONLY FOR TODAY. When it's really everyday.
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  • Profile picture of the author trafficwave
    I got a few copies of the same email today that basically gave some BS line about "I thought long and hard about sending this to you as a private invitation. I've decided to send it to you only because I don't want word of this spreading around."

    Uh ... really? You DON'T want people to know about your offer?

    But the funniest part was that the doofus that send this "private invitation" to me and only me had CC'd a ton of other people.

    It would appear that we were ALL special ... ALL being personally invited ... etc...

    I was "less than polite" in my response.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    There is a very fine line between a 'lie' and 'not revealing the entire truth'...

    I was just thinking of this example that Joe Sugarman mentioned during one of his conferences. I can't remember the exact wording, but here's the premise:

    Joe had just launched a marketing technique that nobody had really tried, and had GREAT success with it, with a VERY LOW return rate.

    He was speaking with one of his 'competitor marketers' that asked him... "Your return rate must have been through the roof"

    Joe said to the audience "I didn't want to lie to the guy, so I said: *Sigh* You wouldn't believe the return rates (in a frustrated tone)".

    He didn't lie, but he also didn't reveal the entire truth.

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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    When your child brings the most ugly deformed piece of clay sculpture and says "do you like it? I made it just for you", it is OK to lie...

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    • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      When your child brings the most ugly deformed piece of clay sculpture and says "do you like it? I made it just for you", it is OK to lie...

      TomG.
      HAHA good one Tom, to add to that premise, what do you tell kids about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, or the ToothFairy?

      Apparently it's perfectly OK to lie to little kids Why ruin their childhood fantasy worlds? They will find out the evil truths soon enough.

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