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should i buy 10 computers with ram and HDD? (Tech question)

by ankur sharma
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I need 10 computers, they all will run 24 hours and most of them will use 500 mb ram at one time. As far Harddisk is concerned, not much. May be 1 gb per pc.

So, my question is do i have to create 10 computers, where each is loaded with individual RAM and Harddisk? My local vendor cannot sell less than 2 GB ram and 500 HDD. I wonder, if i buy 2 GB ram and 500 HDD for every computer, i will have to spend lot of money.

what is the solution for this?

Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author MikesTraffic
    you will pay less buying them in bulk like that......and you will pay less for the larger drives....depending on the OS, even if the software uses little ram you still want around 2 gb.......
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  • Profile picture of the author ankur sharma
    If i remember correctly there is a way to use one monster cpu and then use 10 small cpus. If i remember it correctly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greyhounds
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    Some PC's can run on 512mb of ram. Try buying half of the computers with the ram preinstalled, and then buy the other half without RAM. Take out half of the RAM in the machines that already have it and put it in the other ones.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nuno
      Greyhounds has a sound advice. If you don't need 2 Gb's jsut split that with your other computers, but make sure he sells 2 x 1 Gb Dimms on each PC.
      As for the hard drive, I still see plenty of 160 and 250 Gb drives, but 2.5" (those laptop like drives).

      You can also buy small netbooks or internet desktop pcs, they are cheap and most have 1 Gb of memory and 160 Gb drives.
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  • Profile picture of the author matts5150
    What are you trying to accomplish? Are users going to be setting at each machine? Are they going to be in different locations? if not just setup a virtual server, you can do this in linux or a windows svr. Alot less overhead than setting up 10 machines
    -m
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by matts5150 View Post

      if not just setup a virtual server, you can do this in linux or a windows svr. Alot less overhead than setting up 10 machines
      -m
      Indeed. It's a waste of space, electricity, time and (probably something else) to use 10 separate computers, which I'm guessing will run some kind of Windows application, unattended(?) for hours at a time.

      If you buy 10 machines, you will have 10 power supplies sucking down electricity. They will take up lots of space. The only bonus is that they will help you save money on your heating bill in the winter.

      Buy ONE machine with 6-8 GB ram and enough hard drive space. Use Xen hardware virtualization, Hyper-V, or something else to virtualize 10 separate Windows instances. Allocate the 500 mb of RAM and whatever disk space you need for each machine. Depending on if you need good disk performance, you might want to use an SSD drive or a RAID-10 array.

      Whatever you do, and if I'm understanding you right, you're going to save time, money, and space if you just Virtualize.
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  • Profile picture of the author DatingGoldJason
    are you going to be running linux?
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  • Profile picture of the author ankur sharma
    no, i will not run linux. Probably xp or windows 7.
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  • Profile picture of the author ankur sharma
    Not sure what virtual server means. Drop some links here please.

    I am also lookign at some other solutions. Can someone explain whats ncomputing and microsoft server sharepoint?
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    • Profile picture of the author drose63
      I agree with mojojuju. You should use virtualization. One really good machine can be split into 10 different virtual machines rather easily using something like XenServer. Google it and you'll see what it can do for you. 10 individual servers is going to cost a lot in power, plus you'll need a monitor and keyboard for each one unless you plan on plugging and unplugging the monitor between the different boxes.
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    I think you can pay bulk price. Bulk price will be cheaper.
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  • Profile picture of the author kavi
    Here's one virtualization software website to better understand what is does:

    VirtualBox

    Kavi
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  • Profile picture of the author AMiRU
    Why do you need 10 different machine? Why not buy 1 powerful machine n divide it into 10.
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  • Profile picture of the author matts5150
    If you're going to use windows and want cheap and easy you could probably get by with running concurrent rdp sessions, just google "windows 7 multiple concurrent users" keep in mind if you blue screen a session, all sessions will need to be restarted, although you could use something like firedaemon so the app would restart by itself if it doesn't already run as a service. Just setup each user account to do a certain function, otherwise I'd use xen but you might want to pickup an ms action pack to get the software.
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    • Profile picture of the author wklee
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      Built four PCs with quad core cpu, 8gb ram and SSD for running programs or software. It should be better than the specs you are looking for.

      Use virtualization software and raid 0 to backup your data.
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    Sounds like spam machines to me...

    However, if we knew your use we could give you real solutions.

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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Garrie is on to the crux of the problem here. We don't know what you're trying to do or why you're doing it. A little more specificity would go a long way.

      Another point is that we are getting conflicting guidelines. Windows 7 on a 1/2 gig-o-ram machine? You are not going to be happy.

      Your local vendor? Look at other options and vendors.

      A little more information and we may be able to give you some better ideas.

      I'm just saying...

      Joe Mobley


      Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

      Sounds like spam machines to me...

      However, if we knew your use we could give you real solutions.

      Garrie
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  • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
    Have you considered renting dedi's or VPSs?

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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Barr
    There is no way windows 7 will run on that low of a spec. To be honest, I think you'll have trouble with XP. If you tell us what you're trying to accomplish, we can probably help you think of a better solution.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    10 partitions running Ubuntu should do it. Same as running 10 different machines. If you NEED to run windows, run XP, less resources. The trouble will be XP only recognizes 4 Gigs of ram which means 8 machines in one. (You can sub up to 4 gigs of virtual memory depending on what you need to be running 24/7... Virtual memory is different than RAM, but in SOME cases can be used to ease RAM along). Your other expense maybe getting 2-3 gig RAM chips so a three slot board will hold them, but you CAN add slots either internally or externally to most machines.

    You best bet for trouble free one machine, 10 operations at once is a Mac with 10 gigs of RAM... will not be cheap however. (again if you need Windows use Parallels or VM, (my personal favorite).

    The other possibility is using cloud services, they are getting cheap, easy to set up and rarely go down, (if load balanced over 4 or more set-ups, never go down),

    Guy in Belgium is a year or two from a parallel computer, (if even possible, which Quantum scientists are still split on)... (Google told him they've been working on one for three years). IF anyone ever gets one of them working, the whole thing changes, Internet... obsolete, Grid... obsolete. You'll need a FI connection the size of a baseball bat, but bandwidth or computing power will never? be a problem. The draw back is: it would take every computer on line working simultaneously to break a 128 encryption in several years, where as a parallel computer could break a 33,554,432 to the tenth power encryption in about 6 minutes. No info sent over the network would be undecipherable, even to cheap computers. A new direct/secure way to send the info so it could not be intercepted would have to be devised. (Of course, IF a parallel computer CAN be built, I am sure that part would be a small task by comparison.

    (Just because the net and Grid become obsolete, doesn't change HOW people receive their info, they can just do so much faster and do computations/rendering or anything else at a fraction of the time it now takes. Most of the time referring to computer time will be in picoseconds).
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    Tell. Us. What. You. Are. Trying. To. Accomplish!
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  • Profile picture of the author rr1455
    HI,
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    Seems like the best option would be is to get a very powerful server/computer and then create 9 virtual systems on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author nealr
    I agree virtualization is the way. You can use VMware vSphere Hypervisor it's free. Buy one high spec computer and use vmware to virtualise and allocate resource. you'll save on power and hardware cost of 10 computers.
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  • Profile picture of the author cripperz
    whatever that is u need to run, buying hosted service like RDP and VPS will save you all the electricity. =P
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  • Profile picture of the author Ansar Pasha
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    LOL... now you got my curiosity up too

    ... 10 machines is going to be a lot of power. If you're planning on having in house employees or set up a net cafe, I don't see much point in it. But still, tell us!

    Ansar
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  • Profile picture of the author design2convert
    There were pc available which can work of 10 pc's or more. you can see some in big organizations or companies. Their main focus is to work on single object.
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  • Profile picture of the author GoldenGlovez
    You will save alot more time and cost (Electricity, Upkeep, Etc.) by investing in a more powerful server that can run multiple VMs. You will also be able to allocate resources exactly as you need them.
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  • Profile picture of the author DSepanik
    It would be best to buy the components you want and build your own. I have built many computers, it is very simple. You can find many tutorials on youtube.
    It could save you a lot of money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexander CPA
    Dont deal with your local vendor then, if they're unable to provide you with what you want, why deal with them? You'd really need each computer with maybe a 50-100GB hard drive and 512+ MB of RAM.
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