A THOUSAND THANK YOUS to you :)

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So, I just want to thank all of you a thousand times.

Oh, my! Looks like I already did!

Hmm. So what else could I do here. What do you want to know. What would make you feel appreciated, and thanked just for having graced this thread.

What ever could I do?

(she pours a drink, and ponders a moment)

(ok, maybe it is her 2nd drink)




Ok, yes, I have some ideas now.

KIS APIS

So, lol, I just had to look up Apis, which appears to be a bull, but this is not what my letters stand for. So, no, you don't need to kiss a bull. You can if you want, but it is not necessary.

It is "Keep it Simple, And Play It Smart."

So, what does that mean. Well....

When I first got my IM bite - like a vampire had taken my blood and turned me and I realized this was a direction I wanted to go into - that first campaign was really simple.

I was a total noob. I put up the most hideous site with spelling that would have laughed me out of the spelling bee, but that is not what sold what I was selling.

It was the technique I used to sell the product, and some lucky timing as well.

It was being in the right place at the right time - but more importantly it was my actually following through on a technique that I bought in an ebook. I got it, I applied it, and it worked. The actual implementation of that technique took me less than 4 hours total. That was NOT an IM product. It was NOT low hanging fruit - although it was a very hard niche.

I had a bite, and I got the surge, and I got the big money - and FAST.

And I would not change that experience for the world, but it was all wrong.

It was good, but it was not ultimately not what I really wanted.


It worked, but some issues came up and I had to stop what was happening and that haulted my cash flow. It was not an easy choice at the time. It was unbelievable what I was dealing with and what took several years to go through, but it has all been part of the ride.

But I took the plunge, and I did it.

Going back now in retrospect - what would I change? I think this is really important. This it what I want to share and hopefully drive some of you out of a really crazy cycle. It can be really easy to look and explore lots of things and spend lots of money and just really drive yourself nuts. I know. I am nuts.

Figure out what you want


So, you don't need some crazy giant business plan, but you just might.

Decide right up front - is this just some extra cash or do you really want to run a real business on the internet?

Many people don't get this. It is real money that goes into your account. It can be a real business - and if it is something you want to take on as a full time endeavor, then it needs to be treated as such.

What or where have you worked before? What did your boss have to deal with? Or the owner of the company? Did they get there with no money or contacts or knowledge? Hell no. They had to devise a plan. They had to come up with some funding. They had to have support of friends or family or aliens - you decide. They had to most likely get their hands dirty in the beginning. Look at those who made computers in the garage and sold stuff to do what they wanted to do. They were not rich in a week or two or what ever. They had to actually plan what their goals were and they had to hustle.

So, you can have the weekend tag sale and make a few bucks, or you can choose to create a real company with a big service or product that can take you down a longer road. Figure this out. What do you want?

Once you figure out what you really want, you are going to have to give something to get it.

Could be time, money, knowledge, but it does not come completely FREE. And I'm not talking here about paying for some 5 dollar WSO and you thinking that is all you need to do.

You need to actually implement and test and track and you need to have solid idea of where you are going.

Someone last night was on a chat, and I was falling on the floor laughing as they were telling a story and kinda got 2 stories mixed up in one, but their point at the end was brilliant.

They were discussing Alice in Wonderland ( which I have never read, only seen movies) and it kinda got mixed up with follow the yellow brick road (lol) but here was the point.

They mentioned that Alice got to a point in the road, and there were a bunch of sign posts but they were all blank. So the cheschire cat came in and he was like "where do you want to go" and she was like " I have no clue what to do here - there are all these blank signs and i have no clue where any of these roads go" and so he left her sitting there with all the blank signs.

And then it came to her.

She wanted to go HOME.

So, suddenly, one of the sign posts said "home" on it, and she knew exactly which path to take.

Home could be a lot of things in this analogy. It could be your niche, it could be your ultimate life style, it could be the amount of money you want in the bank.

Figure out what home means to you.

Once you know where you are going exactly, you can then figure out the map.

The map is huge. The map of your trip.

And I know that google maps are all kinds of f'd up. I know because at one point I was in Tennessee and this road was supposed to have a bridge, and we got to it and no bridge was there, and we had to turn around and find another way to get to where we wanted to go.

So the map will/might/can change, but the destination should remain a constant. It may take you longer to get to where you are going, but if you know where you want to go you will find a way to get there.

The destination needs to be important to you. But here is where the play it smart comes in.

It needs to be important to others too.

What ever you are offering needs to be important to others. It needs to be something that will help them - not just you.

Keeping it smart also means you need to research and do things the best way you can.

Give those people who will be giving you money reason to trust you. Build your reputation. Be somewhat personable. If you can't be personable, then pay or hire people who can be personable for you.

We have some great people on this forum, but be advised there are some who might have some business sense but when it comes to handling people they are clueless. Lol, I won't go into where that tangent came from (some will know) but building the right people skills will be imperative to your long term success. You don't need to know everyone, but if someone pops up and says something and you have a way to look up who they are or where they have been, then take the time to do so.

Try not to get emotional over a 5 second experience of reading someones reply to something. Do your best to understand your potential customers. Nuff said on that.

Be smart. Understand the medium which you are using to sell your business.

Yes, you need disclaimers and FAQ and some legal stuff, etc. It is a business.

Understand how the internet works in general. It is not that hard. It is a web and links and people point to things with links and recommend what they think is important, and you don't need to rank #1 in google to make money. Really, you don't. I know that for a fact.

If it is just a tag sale quick WSO and run out the door, then fine. But know where you want to take it.

If you are building that real business then do it. But treat it as such.

You don't need a bazillion dollars to get going, but you do you need to plan and you need to write it down, and you need to trouble shoot, and you need to do it yourself.

Support from others on a question or two is one thing. Expecting everyone to give you every answer without you at least trying to apply yourself is completely another.

I have personally spent DAYS trying to figure out some issues before asking for help. I learn lots on the way - but I am not here to suck everyone dry and be spoon fed on every last detail on my business. That is just wrong to do. And it will not really help you. People want to know that you are somewhat self sufficient to finding things. This is how you build that trust. And at the same time they are forgiving and realize you are just one person and if you are honest with them they understand that you may not have every last answer for them.

Now, I could give you some spectacular marketing plan at this point, but honestly the map and our homes are all very different. If nothing else, I hope this is something you realize from this post. Figure out what home is, be smart about how you are going to get there, write stuff down, be prepared to change course when the path is not a straight one, and stay focused on the end goal.

Hopefully you can ponder a bit on what home is to you and find it a bit more quickly. It is really simple once your direction is clear and you know what it is you are actually looking for. (not to be confused with finding it over night )

Again, a thousand thanks. You have all helped me in more ways then you will ever know, and I'm looking forward to the next thousand thanks I can give.
#thanks warriors #thousand #yous
  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    That's pretty long. Is this an article?

    (ducking...)
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      CliffsNotes.

      We need CliffsNotes...

      ~Bill
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

      That's pretty long. Is this an article?

      (ducking...)
      I think I'm on a roll today with an almost 1000 word blog post. lol

      Ok, here is something.

      I just got this skype message. I'm not going to say from who, but they are offering me some off page SEO work, but with NO references and just a "help me" and come on people! This is NOT marketing.

      Give me a reason to trust you.
      Give me a deal I cant refuse.
      Connect with me like you care.

      If you are not doing this, you are just killing yourself from IM.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

        CliffsNotes.

        We need CliffsNotes...

        ~Bill
        Bill gets 1001! Ding ding ding! lol

        Well, refer to the post above about the skype offer, that might be some cliff notes.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        I just got this skype message. I'm not going to say from who, but they are offering me some off page SEO work, but with NO references and just a "help me" and come on people! This is NOT marketing.
        a) I didn't think I needed references.

        b) I got to #1 in Google in under 15 seconds this past weekend.

        c) I thought that Skype was going to be private.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
          Now if you will take my rubber chicken into triage, you have a deal Dan.
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  • Profile picture of the author Giftys
    Beautifully written Jill. A great read!

    I especially like this line:

    What ever you are offering needs to be important to others. It needs to be something that will help them - not just you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Giftys View Post

      Beautifully written Jill. A great read!
      I am loving how to piss people off.
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      • Profile picture of the author Giftys
        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        I am loving how to piss people off.
        Thanks, it's been fun putting it together. Still in it's infant stage but we're having a blast!
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Clark
    I read the whole thing. Great post Jill, and at just the right time. Its been a rough day overall and a few major hurdles in my IM ventures became evident today.

    Thanks for the post, you strike more than a few relevant points which I already know but needed to see again.
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    • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
      So much of what you've written hit home with me. I was wondering if I was the only one noticing how so many people lately want everything handed to them. I recently wrote a piece about treating IM as a business. I started part time and it has grown into a business for me.

      I think there's a dirty back alley in the fast-buck market that thrives on drive by, quick hit techniques. Unfortunately for people just arriving they get the message that cheesy spun articles and automated spammed blog posts are the norm. It's all about the juice, baby... Do they really not know that stuff ain't sustainable?

      It's always nice to read about someone doing it right, who understands what it takes to stay in this game for the long haul. Thanks for your thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Linda_C
    This is a great post, Jill. And you're right... it's what a lot of newbies don't "get."

    Funny old memory. When I got online, I don't think there was even any third party merchant accounts and in my hometown, they wanted a 50K deposit to secure a sole prop merchant account. I'd just got divorced and couldn't afford that, so my first orders were printed out and mailed to me with a check. lol. First time I got checks in the mail, I was over the moon. It was like a whole new world opened up.

    A thousand thanks to you, too!
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  • Profile picture of the author Giftys
    Linda, when I tried to sign up with Bank of America (way back when) they didn't know anything about internet commerce. I was treated like an alien. They had one internet guy in their entire organization and after direct communication with him, he had to convince the others that this young start-up guy was for real and the risk wasn't what they thought. I wrote several letters after being rejected a few times and finally got through to them after explaining that my ssl was industry standard... but the whole process was a nightmare. It took forever and I felt like I was stripped searched and the underside of my vehicle was checked for bombs. Ha!
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    • Profile picture of the author Linda_C
      Originally Posted by Giftys View Post

      Linda, when I tried to sign up with Bank of America (way back when) they didn't know anything about internet commerce. I was treated like an alien. They had one internet guy in their entire organization and after direct communication with him, he had to convince the others that this young start-up guy was for real and the risk wasn't what they thought. I wrote several letters after being rejected a few times and finally got through to them after explaining that my ssl was industry standard... but the whole process was a nightmare. It took forever and I felt like I was stripped searched and the underside of my vehicle was checked for bombs. Ha!
      LOL. I hear you! Back in 1997 (middle of nowhere, Canadian prairies) the bank manager called me in and asked me where I'm getting so many American checks. I said I sell products and services on the Internet. He told me he'll be *personally* watching my account, so watch my step. :rolleyes:

      Every time I came in to make deposits, he'd stand at his office door scowling as I stood at the teller. :confused:

      Couple of years later I moved to Toronto. At least there I was a minor celebrity not a suspect of sorts. All the bank staff pointed me out as the "Internet lady" when I came in and I got great service. Too funny.

      P.S. Your site is hilarious. I could log my neighbors for a day for ya! They piss everyone off.
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      • Profile picture of the author Giftys
        Originally Posted by Linda_C View Post

        LOL. I hear you! Back in 1997 (middle of nowhere, Canadian prairies) the bank manager called me in and asked me where I'm getting so many American checks. I said I sell products and services on the Internet. He told me he'll be *personally* watching my account, so watch my step. :rolleyes:

        Every time I came in to make deposits, he'd stand at his office door scowling as I stood at the teller. :confused:

        Couple of years later I moved to Toronto. At least there I was a minor celebrity not a suspect of sorts. All the bank staff pointed me out as the "Internet lady" when I came in and I got great service. Too funny.
        A hilarious story! It should go in your book. (hint-hint ... you are writing a book right?)

        You were on a couple of years before me. I started in '99.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Giftys View Post

      Linda, when I tried to sign up with Bank of America (way back when) they didn't know anything about internet commerce. I was treated like an alien. They had one internet guy in their entire organization and after direct communication with him, he had to convince the others that this young start-up guy was for real and the risk wasn't what they thought. I wrote several letters after being rejected a few times and finally got through to them after explaining that my ssl was industry standard... but the whole process was a nightmare. It took forever and I felt like I was stripped searched and the underside of my vehicle was checked for bombs. Ha!
      I was with a bank that was taken over from BOA. Well, one day they really messed up my account via the counter, and when my account was nearly 30K in the negative the next day they really blew it with me. They were trying to treat it like my card had been compromised without really looking into the records. Someone else had made a withdrawl right after me and it was the person at the counter that had messed up. But their customer service and the bank manager at that point was just not really trying or paying attention and I had to show them I had just been at the counter and the debit from my account happened right after my leaving the bank. GRRR! I was in tears - and honestly I had to fight tooth an nail to get them to see it was the bank error.

      And did they do anything to keep me after they messed up? uh, no. No "here is something for your troubles" or " we are sorry we messed up" and not even a silly toaster or anything.

      Not pointing out this particular company, as perhaps there are other branches who would treat it different or maybe they have changed how they deal with that situation, but they lost a customer very quickly after that. A customer with a perfect track record.

      They had a way to look at my records, and they neglected to do so in a diligent manner.
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      • Profile picture of the author Giftys
        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        And did they do anything to keep me after they messed up? uh, no. No "here is something for your troubles" or " we are sorry we messed up" and not even a silly toaster or anything.
        You should have demanded the toaster!
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberSorcerer
    After reading your post I know more than I knew before, but before I didn't know much, so know I'm only a little better off than I was before, but still not where I need to be, but happen I'm were I'm at.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by CyberSorcerer View Post

      I'm only a little better off than I was before,
      Well, that's better than nothing, right?

      I think you sir are much better off than you suggest in your post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    I HEART Jill

    Giftys, I've done #15 on your list. Only because I too was drunk
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