Under what circumstances do you refuse to refund a buyer?

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Hello!

I would like to know the following: If someone had agree to buy a service from you and changed his/her mind at the last minute (due to circumstances) would you refuse to issue a refund for non honoring their promise to buy:confused:?

In my particular case it was a skype conversation that I had to cancel and because it is classified by Paypal as "digital goods" I have now effectively lost my money as the vendor is refusing point blank to refund me although no skype conversation was given.

What do you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author hueyliew
    I guess everyone will be different, personally I will refund all request within the money back guarantee period with no question asked. I reckon the relationship is more important to me than the money I received. The trust will be strenghten and they potentially will buy from me many times over in the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author meerkat29
      Originally Posted by hueyliew View Post

      I guess everyone will be different, personally I will refund all request within the money back guarantee period with no question asked. I reckon the relationship is more important to me than the money I received. The trust will be strenghten and they potentially will buy from me many times over in the future.
      I like to deal with merchants with that type of attitude.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    For me, it would really depend on what I have done since the initial payment. If I have a substantial amount of prep time invested, or materials purchased, then no, I wouldn't give a refund, at least of the whole amount. What's more, if the initial amount I was paid doesn't cover what I've done up to the date of cancellation, you'd get another bill.

    But all of that is built into my contracts, so my clients know up front the cost of canceling.

    You didn't say WHEN you canceled - was it the day of the 'conversation' (I'm assuming this was some type of coaching session?) or close to it? Did the vendor have to do any prep work in order to provide their service to you? Did your cancellation leave them on the hook or cause them difficulty? If any of those are 'yes', then I think you should expect to pay at least something, just to compensate them for the time and trouble they've already undertaken.
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    • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
      You didn't say WHEN you canceled - was it the day of the 'conversation' (I'm assuming this was some type of coaching session?) or close to it?
      You are assuming right and yes it was only a couple of hours before the call was due to take place. The only inconvenience caused was that he had to be in front of his computer at a certain time (no prep work was involved whatsoever).
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    • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
      100% Money Back Refund For Any Reason" is fairly implied (especially if you use Pay-Pal)
      Actually this Paypal 100% money back guarantee does not apply to digital products
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post

    In my particular case it was a skype conversation that I had to cancel
    For me (not that I offer such a service), it would depend on whether I could reasonably be expected to re-fill the time-slot ... not necessarily on whether I could actually re-fill it - though I'd refund if I could.

    I do think it's not unreasonable for people "selling their specific, appointed time" to have a cut-off after which they don't give refunds (they've arranged their life to be available for you at that time, haven't they?), though ideally one would like that be stated clearly beforehand ... :confused:

    For example, it's printed on my dentist's appointment-cards that cancellations within 24 hours of the appointment will incur the full fee if the time-slot can't be filled. (Whether they actually send a bill, or not, I don't know - I haven't cancelled one!).

    I suspect, though, if nothing was specified beforehand about this contingency, that you're probably not entitled to a refund, and one being given would be purely ex gratia.
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    • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
      I suspect, though, if nothing was specified beforehand about this contingency
      If nothing was specified beforehand shouldn't it work both ways? The vendor nor the sellor were aware of a cut-off time?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        There are many offline services that will charge you if you cancel and appointment less than 24 hours in advance. They don't necessarily tell you that but it will happen.

        If nothing was specified beforehand shouldn't it work both ways?
        You aren't asking for it to work both ways - you want it your way. Because this was a service that required the vendor to set aside time for you in advance, I don't think they are wrong to refuse a late cancellation.

        The only inconvenience caused was that he had to be in front of his computer at a certain time (no prep work was involved whatsoever).
        The inconvenience was the person could not schedule any other work for that time period. He had to arrange his day so he was in the office and available at that time.

        Did you ask to reschedule before asking for a refund?

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        • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
          you want it your way
          If it was me I WOULD give a refund... but I guess everybody is different.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post

        If nothing was specified beforehand shouldn't it work both ways?
        I'm not sure, Beatrice.

        There's the matter of his having set time aside for you, which he can't - at very short notice - offer to anyone else, having perhaps already turned others away for that time because it was taken and paid for by yourself, I think? Just like my dentist can't reasonably be expected to fill an empty space at 2.00 in the afternoon if I call him at lunchtime and cancel? Don't you think this is a fair point?

        How close to the "appointed hour" did you actually cancel? This is surely the heart of the matter, when someone's effectively selling his time? :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
          There's the matter of his having set time aside for you, which he can't - at very short notice - offer to anyone else, having perhaps already
          Alexa!

          I have told you many times in many threads that I highly value your opinion. My husband is a driving instructor and always give his terms and conditions prior to giving his teaching time - that way both parties are clear! Trust me, this warrior is NOT snowed under with work.

          But I guess this is irrelevant, I should have checked him out before agreeing to anything. If the role were reversed, I personally would give a refund... but again that's me....everybody is different...
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          • Profile picture of the author Aubaine
            Well, for me, I think that if you don't refund the money you have an angry customer on your hands, and potentially someone that will speak poorly about your business/product/what have you. People rarely talk about good experiences, but always spread the word about bad experiences, depending on the amount of money (and whether you can afford to cough up the cash) I think you should absolutely refund the money.

            My father sold automobiles for 35+ years, if a person bought a car cash, paid for it all upfront, and on the day of delivery wanted to back out, he wouldn't just say "sorry, you gave us the money and signed the papers, here is your car." A full refund would be issued, and typically that person will come back later and end up buying another vehicle because of that experience and the trust built there.

            All in all, give the money back, and thank them for the opportunity.
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            • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
              Thanks Aubaine!

              A full refund would be issued, and typically that person will come back later and end up buying another vehicle because of that experience and the trust built there.
              This is what I call "good customer service". It has happened to me countless times on Ebay and Amazon (people will come back and recommend me to their friends)

              Incidentally, in the UK, I belong to a Women Organization, where people are crying out for good mentors! I certainly won't be recommending him!
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              • Profile picture of the author Aubaine
                Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post

                Thanks Aubaine!



                This is what I call "good customer service". It has happened to me countless times on Ebay and Amazon (people will come back and recommend me to their friends)

                Incidentally, in the UK, I belong to a Women Organization, where people are crying out for good mentors! I certainly won't be recommending him!
                Exactly, bad feedback can damage a persons business more then a faulty product. Tell people about your experience, don't recommend him to anyone, at least that way a little justice will be served.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post

            If the role were reversed, I personally would give a refund... but again that's me....everybody is different...
            Yes, I agree with you there: I think I probably would, too, to be honest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Winlin
    I would like to know the following: If someone had agree to buy a service from you and changed his/her mind at the last minute (due to circumstances) would you refuse to issue a refund for non honoring their promise to buy?
    Firstly, I'd encourage that we reschedule. Like wise I'd let you know I was disappointed and that I don't normally reschedule a time slot and that I'm doing you a great favor to do so (that's the businessman/salesman in me).

    Secondly, after a short battle, prior to offending, if I determined this was not going to happen. I would likely cancel the transaction and refund the monies, possibly we'd agree that I keep a percentage for my lost opportunity.

    Life's too short, we just need to be doing the next right thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
      Life's too short, we just need to be doing the next right thing.
      That's exactly the point. The mistake that I did was to check this person's background too late in the transaction (which happened to be quite poor) - I guess I got taken in by the banter.

      I hope I will get my money (or at least some back) if not let this be a lesson for all newbies - Always check someone's background before agreeing to anything - make sure that they are a reputable member of this community, check their threads, posts, etc. Check if other warriors are coming to them for advice. If they haven't got a solid background run away FAST!
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  • Profile picture of the author DeborahDera
    When you start to talk about "conversations" you paid for - or "consultations" - you are talking about not only a person's time, but their talents as well.

    So I ask you this - how much notice did you give to cancel the conversation? Was there a cancellation policy clearly in place when you paid for the conversation/meeting?

    Even most doctors offices, massage therapists, physical therapists, etc. will charge you at least a partial fee for not showing up or for canceling without enough notice.

    This is because they don't have enough time to find another person to fill the time slot you have essentially wasted.

    So the person won't refund you - will he allow you to reschedule?

    Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post

    Hello!

    I would like to know the following: If someone had agree to buy a service from you and changed his/her mind at the last minute (due to circumstances) would you refuse to issue a refund for non honoring their promise to buy:confused:?

    In my particular case it was a skype conversation that I had to cancel and because it is classified by Paypal as "digital goods" I have now effectively lost my money as the vendor is refusing point blank to refund me although no skype conversation was given.

    What do you think?
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    • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
      Was there a cancellation policy clearly in place when you paid for the conversation/meeting?
      There was NO cancellation policy in place.
      will he allow you to reschedule?
      to be honest after checking his background I got very worried (1 page website written all in Chinese) I have asked many times for a refund (as I no longer want his services), but this has now turned into a personal vengeance campaign along the lines of "... you will pay for the humiliation you have caused me".

      I cannot comprehend this (coming from a warrior). I have been selling on Ebay for more than 10 years now and I have always issued refunds (although sometimes I know that the buyer is not entirely right). I always issue a refund within the stipulated time and move on to the next sale...Time is precious...
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Hey Beatrice,

    I personally always give refunds if requested however if they literally come through 30 seconds after purchasing I ask if there were any problems or issues.

    If I get:

    "I just want a refund"

    I just refund and wish them every success.

    Not worth wasting your time with because you have to treat it like they didn't really want it in the first place.

    A BIG positive to take from it is that your sales page must work well!

    Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author omk
    I would never deny anyone a refund unless there was some type of fraud involved.
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  • Profile picture of the author Debra Barrow
    This is just a guess, but I'm sure if the cancellation had been the vendor's fault, you would have gotten an immediate refund.

    Nevertheless, I don't think this situation warranted checking into the vendor's background. It's a matter of putting a refund policy in writing, and the customer understanding what it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Sometimes the lessons you learn along life's journey far out way any initial cost, might be time to focus energy on moving forward in a productive way and if you get the refund in full or part count that as a bonus.
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  • Profile picture of the author GracefulSwan
    If the item is not returned or if it is clearly a scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author peteranderson874
    If you haven't given any service/product yet then it's good to refund to build trust with your customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author cma01
    I would like to know the following: If someone had agree to buy a service from you and changed his/her mind at the last minute (due to circumstances) would you refuse to issue a refund for non honoring their promise to buy?

    In my particular case it was a skype conversation that I had to cancel and because it is classified by Paypal as "digital goods" I have now effectively lost my money as the vendor is refusing point blank to refund me although no skype conversation was given.
    I usually refund just because it's not worth the hassle.

    However, one thing that you have to remember when you are dealing with services, particularly with consulting, as it sounds like that is what you are talking about.

    The vendor only has so many hours in the day. Once that hour is gone, it is gone forever, you can't get it back.

    So if you paid for an hour of their time, had it scheduled, and then canceled at the last minute, that is an hour of paid time that is lost to them. It's not a commodity that they can go ahead and sell to someone else because that time is gone.

    Now most of *my* stuff I will always refund, although if someone jacks me around . . . that is the last time they will have an opportunity to do so.

    However, when I organized an event, once an exhibitor signed up and was accepted, the fees were nonrefundable. Why? Because we only allowed X number of vendors per category and if we accepted them, it was very likely that we had turned away others.

    Also, think about when you sign up for classes. You have to pay the same amount whether you attend or not. They aren't going to refund you because you said you wanted it, they committed to staffing the class and they have that expense whether you are there are not.

    You may have had extenuating circumstances, but those are YOUR circumstances. It doesn't mean everyone else has to rearrange their lives because of what is going on in yours.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    Under what circumstances do you refuse to refund a buyer?
    When it is so far outside of the clearly published terms for a refund as to be unreasonable to expect one to be issued.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rough Outline
    I refund when I haven't been able to provide the service that I offered, which is literally never.
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